April 2008
Wilson dealing with foot injury
"The arm's much better," Leyland said. "He can throw. He just can't walk."
Head athletic trainer Kevin Rand said that Wilson is still ongoing with his rehab program, and should be able to catch bullpen sessions again in a couple days. They were ready to have him DH in some extended spring games when the foot problems came about, so that would be the next step.
Tigers have everyday lineup, Yanks don't
Detroit:
- Granderson, CF
- Polanco, 2B
- Sheffield, DH
- Ordonez, RF
- Cabrera, 1B
- Guillen, 3B
- Renteria, SS
- Rodriguez, C
- Jones, LF
- Johnny Damon, CF
- Derek Jeter, SS
- Bobby Abreu, RF
- Hideki Matsui, LF
- Jason Giambi, DH
- Shelley Duncan, 1B
- Morgan Ensberg, 3B
- Robinson Cano, 2B
- Chris Stewart, C
Tigers to hold tryout camp June 16
The tryout camp will be held at Fifth Third Field in Comstock Park, Mich., with no pre-registration or participation fees. Registration begins at 8 a.m., with the workout at 9 a.m. All the Tigers require is for interested players to bring their own glove and workout equipment. The Tigers will provide the wooden bats, helmets and baseballs.
The regular lineup is here
Tuesday's Tigers-Yankees telecast
What was with the fireworks?
If you were at the game Friday night or watching on television in the late innings, you were probably wondering why there were fireworks going off along the skyline beyond the Renaissance Center. Apparently they were part of ceremonies going on across the river in Windsor for something called the Rotary World Peace Summit this weekend.
Cruceta shines again
For the sake of the totals, that's now five innings pitched for Cruceta with one hit allowed, two walks and 10 strikeouts.
Sheff returns
Here's the Tigers lineup:
- Granderson, CF
- Polanco, 2B
- Sheffield, DH
- Ordonez, RF
- Cabrera, 1B
- Jones, LF
- Renteria, SS
- Rodriguez, C
- Inge, 3B
- Chone Figgins, 3B
- Gary Matthews Jr., LF
- Vladimir Guerrero, RF
- Torii Hunter, CF
- Juan Rivera, DH
- Erick Aybar, SS
- Jeff Mathis, C
- Casey Kotchman, 1B
- Maicer Izturis, 2B
Guillen out, Inge catching
"We just can't catch a break," Leyland said.
On the Gary Sheffield front, he had another cortisone shot in his right shoulder, this time in the front of it. He was still feeling soreness in the shoulder getting the shot two days ago.
Meanwhile, they'll be facing Jason Jennings after all. You may remember that Jennings was the Rangers' originally scheduled starter for this game, but was moved back a couple days in favor of Scott Feldman. Well, the Rangers decided late last night to start Jennings today again.
Here's the Tigers lineup he'll be facing:
- Granderson, CF
- Polanco, 2B
- Thames, RF
- Ordonez, DH
- Cabrera, 1B
- Jones, LF
- Renteria, SS
- Inge, C
- Raburn, 3B
- Frank Catalanotto, LF
- Michael Young, SS
- Josh Hamilton, RF
- Hank Blalock, 3B
- Jason Botts, DH
- David Murphy, CF
- Adam Melhuse, C
- Ben Broussard, 1B
- Ramon Vazquez, 2B
No big switch today, but Granderson's back
There's a chance Sheffield will be back Thursday, but it's not likely. Placido Polanco, however, is aiming for a Thursday return; he went through pregame drills and workouts and felt fine.
Here's the full lineup:
- Granderson, CF
- Rodriguez, C
- Guillen, 1B
- Ordonez, RF
- Cabrera, DH
- Jones, LF
- Renteria, SS
- Inge, 3B
- Santiago, 2B
- Ian Kinsler, 2B
- Michael Young, SS
- Josh Hamilton, CF
- Milton Bradley, DH
- Hank Blalock, 3B
- Jason Botts, 1B
- David Murphy, RF
- Gerald Laird, C
- German Duran, LF
Cabrera to first base, Guillen to third
Santiago's last major-league homer
It was Aug. 1, 2003 off of then-Twin James Baldwin. He went 417 plate appearances in the big leagues without a homer. Or to put it another way, Matt Walbeck was the Tigers' catcher the last time Santiago homered. Now, he's the Rangers' third-base coach.
Polanco feeling better, Sheff gets good news
Sheffield's visit with Dr. Stephen Lemos, meanwhile, revealed no structural damage in his shoulder. Basically, the scar tissue tearing from the surgery had been giving him trouble. He took a cortisone shot in the shoulder, and with his left shoulder aching from trying to compensate, he had a shot in that shoulder, too. He might take a few days to return as a precaution.
The plan on Curtis Granderson is for him to return to Detroit after tonight's rehab game for Class A West Michigan. If Polanco returns, that's the first two hitters in Detroit's order back in action, and if somehow Sheff were ready, that would be the top third of the lineup back.
Other injury updates: Fernando Rodney played catch off of flat ground today, and Joel Zumaya is making some throws off of a mound in preparation for bullpen sessions, which are scheduled to start around the end of the month.
Without those guys, here's the Tigers lineup:
- Thomas, CF
- Rodriguez, C
- Guillen, 1B
- Ordonez, RF
- Cabrera, DH
- Jones, LF
- Renteria, SS
- Inge, 3B
- Santiago, 2B
- Ian Kinsler, 2B
- Michael Young, SS
- Josh Hamilton, CF
- Milton Bradley, DH
- Hank Blalock, 3B
- Frank Catalanotto, LF
- David Murphy, RF
- Gerald Laird, C
- Ben Broussard, 1B
Granderson goes 1-for-4, RBI triple for Whitecaps
I didn't make the trip to West Michigan, but followed online. He faced a left-handed finesse starter and struck out twice on breaking balls that dropped out of the strike zone -- one of them went into the dirt -- but he got a hold of one ball and hit it just inside 1B and down the RF line for a third-inning RBI triple. His acceleration appears to be fine, because he sped into third base without a throw before scoring on a sacrifice fly.
Again, Granderson didn't have an active day in the field, and he didn't have to make a throwing play. He nearly had a chance at a running catch in left-center, according to the radio broadcast, but left fielder Joe Tucker had a diving attempt at it.
UPDATE: The original plan was expected to bring Granderson back to Toledo for Tuesday night's game, but reports out of Grand Rapids suggest he could stay at West Michigan and play another game or two instead. That could be a way around the Tuesday night-Wednesday morning combination the Mud Hens have coming up, which might not be a good turnaround for someone who's still trying to get his legs into regular-season shape.
Granderson goes 1-for-5, headed to WM
Granderson is heading to West Michigan tomorrow for another game with the Whitecaps (the Mud Hens are off Monday), and he said today that he expects to be back in Toledo for Tuesday night. The earliest he'll probably be ready for a call-up is Wednesday. It might work out well for him to be ready Wednesday, since the Hens have a 10:30 a.m. game that day.
More progress, more work left for Granderson
Two more notes from Toledo:
- Francisco Cruceta is going to join the Mud Hens bullpen on Tuesday for his first real game competition with the Tigers, most likely throwing two innings. The reports were solid from his back-to-back appearances in extended spring training on Thursday and Friday, solid enough to warrant bringing him to Triple-A from the outset.
- Look for Michael Hollimon to join the Hens shortly, too. He's progressing from his separated shoulder down in Lakeland. His arrival in Toledo will give the Tigers some infield depth in case they need it.
Granderson to split rehab
Since Triple-A Toledo doesn't return home until Saturday, Granderson is likely going to play at Class A West Michigan on Friday before joining the Mud Hens for Saturday and Sunday. If he needs another day on Monday (and it's likely he will, since Jim Leyland would like him to get 20-25 at-bats), he would probably do that at West Michigan, since Toledo is off.
UPDATE @ 7:15pm: It's official. Granderson is headed home tonight, then to West Michigan for tomorrow night's game, then to Toledo on Saturday and Sunday unless something goes wrong.
Not much else going on here in Cleveland, other than another warm day. Placido Polanco and Ivan Rodriguez are both getting the day off for rest (though Polanco's hip seems to be sore again), so here's the lineup the Tigers will throw at Fausto Carmona:
- Thomas, LF
- Santiago, 2B
- Sheffield, DH
- Ordonez, RF
- Cabrera, 3B
- Guillen, 1B
- Renteria, SS
- Jones, LF
- Inge, C
- Grady Sizemore, CF
- Jamey Carroll, 2B
- Travis Hafner, DH
- Victor Martinez, C
- Jhonny Peralta, SS
- Ryan Garko, 1B
- Franklin Gutierrez, RF
- Jason Michaels, LF
- Casey Blake, 3B
Bazardo outrighted to Toledo
Rodney won't need surgery
Wednesday: Tigers at Indians
Good news for the Tigers on two injury fronts. First, Nate Robertson was feeling much more loose on his left side than he was last night, and he said he should be fine for Sunday's start at Toronto.
Meanwhile, Curtis Granderson had another session of batting practice here this afternoon, and it again went well. If he has another good session Thursday, he'll most likely be sent out on a minor-league rehab assignment this weekend. The problem is that they don't know. The only one of the Tigers' affiliates with a convenient schedule for an assignment this weekend and early next week low Class A West Michigan. Triple-A Toledo is home this weekend, but they have an off day on Monday. It's uncertain whether the level of competition is going to matter in making the decision.
There's no set timetable on when he'll be playing in Detroit, but it certain looks like he could be playing at Comerica Park during next week's homestand.
"If he passes the test again, I think he'll be playing for the Tigers very shortly," Jim Leyland said.
On the non-injury return front, Francisco Cruceta is schedule to throw back-to-back outings Thursday and Friday in extended Spring Training. If that goes well, he's expected to be assigned to one of the minor-league affiliates. Once he pitches in a minor-league game, the Tigers have 15 days in which to evaluate him.
The Tigers trot out their traditional lefty-hitting lineup for C.C. Sabathia, including Pudge leading off. Here it is:
- Rodriguez, C
- Polanco, 2B
- Sheffield, DH
- Ordonez, RF
- Cabrera, 3B
- Guillen, 1B
- Renteria, SS
- Thames, LF
- Inge, CF
- Grady Sizemore, CF
- David Dellucci, LF
- Travis Hafner, DH
- Victor Martinez, C
- Jhonny Peralta, C
- Ryan Garko, 1B
- Asdrubal Cabrera, 2B
- Franklin Gutierrez, RF
- Casey Blake, 3B
Left lat tightness for Robertson
Tuesday: Tigers vs. Twins
Without Granderson, here's the Tigers lineup:
- Thomas, CF
- Polanco, 2B
- Sheffield, DH
- Ordonez, RF
- Cabrera, 3B
- Guillen, 1B
- Renteria, SS
- Rodriguez, C
- Thames, LF
- Carlos Gomez, CF
- Brendan Harris, 2B
- Joe Mauer, C
- Justin Morneau, 1B
- Delmon Young, LF
- Jason Kubel, RF
- Craig Monroe, DH
- Mike Lamb, 3B
- Matt Tolbert, SS
Rodney to see Dr. Andrews
Monday: Tigers vs. Twins
The Tigers lineup:
- Thomas, CF
- Polanco, 2B
- Sheffield, DH
- Ordonez, RF
- Cabrera, 3B
- Guillen, 1B
- Renteria, SS
- Rodriguez, C
- Jones, LF
- Carlos Gomez, CF
- Denard Span, RF
- Joe Mauer, C
- Justin Morneau, 1B
- Delmon Young, LF
- Jason Kubel, DH
- Brendan Harris, 2B
- Mike Lamb, 3B
- Adam Everett, SS
Sunday: Tigers at White Sox
Yes, the Tigers are banged up right now.
"We've got a lot of issues," manager Jim Leyland said. "We have to fight through it. We just haven't been able to get in sync."
Here's the lineup:
- Thomas, CF
- Renteria, SS
- Sheffield, DH
- Ordonez, RF
- Cabrera, 3B
- Jones, LF
- Thames, 1B
- Inge, C
- Santiago, 2B
- Nick Swisher, CF
- Orlando Cabrera, SS
- Jim Thome, DH
- Paul Konerko, 1B
- Jermaine Dye, RF
- A.J. Pierzynski, C
- Carlos Quentin, LF
- Joe Crede, 3B
- Juan Uribe, 2B
Polanco on the fly ball
Dontrelle to DL
Guillen out with strained hammy
The lineup:
- Thomas, CF
- Polanco, 2B
- Sheffield, DH
- Ordonez, RF
- Cabrera, 1B
- Jones, LF
- Renteria, SS
- Rodriguez, C
- Inge, 3B
- Nick Swisher, CF
- Orlando Cabrera, SS
- Jim Thome, DH
- Paul Konerko, 1B
- Jermaine Dye, RF
- A.J. Pierzynski, C
- Carlos Quentin, LF
- Joe Crede, 3B
- Juan Uribe, 2B
UPDATE @ 12:45pm ET: They've removed the tarp, so it looks like this game will start on time. This could be a miserable day for baseball, certainly not fun for fans. It's bad enough that Chicago native Curtis Granderson only had to get tickets for four family members today. That might be a low.
Willis injury
One more note about the lineup
Pudge has his training program, and he works out, home and road. Today, after Jim Leyland mentioned it, Pudge said he was in the gym around 9:30 a.m. The Tigers arrived at their hotel in Chicago just before 3 a.m. local time.
"It's part of my routine," Pudge said Friday. "That's why I play every day."
The 212 pitches were the most by Tigers pitchers in a game since the infamous 26-5 loss to the Royals in 2004.
Rodney update
Friday: Tigers at White Sox
The lineup:
- Thomas, LF
- Polanco, 2B
- Guillen, 1B
- Ordonez, RF
- Cabrera, 3B
- Jones, DH
- Renteria, SS
- Rodriguez, C
- Inge, CF
- Carlos Quentin, LF
- Orlando Cabrera, SS
- Jim Thome, DH
- Paul Konerko, 1B
- Jermaine Dye, RF
- Joe Crede, 3B
- Brian Anderson, CF
- Juan Uribe, 2B
- Toby Hall, C
On the weather front, it's dry and cool right now, and getting colder. Right now it looks like any showers will be scattered tonight before the weather gets progressively worse Saturday and into Saturday night. (Slushy accumulation? Yikes.)
Liriano back in Detroit?
If Liriano does start on Tuesday, it would be at the place where he made one of his final starts in 2006 before being shut down and diagnosed with a torn ligament in his elbow.
Thursday: Tigers at Red Sox
- Inge, CF
- Polanco, 2B
- Sheffield, DH
- Ordonez, RF
- Cabrera, 3B
- Guillen, 1B
- Renteria, SS
- Rodriguez, C
- Thames, LF
- Julio Lugo, SS
- Dustin Pedroia, 2B
- David Ortiz, DH
- Manny Ramirez, LF
- Kevin Youkilis, 3B
- J.D. Drew, RF
- Coco Crisp, CF
- Sean Casey, 1B
- Kevin Cash, C
Cruceta cleared to travel
He'll report to Lakeland, where he'll pick up his throwing and prepare himself for games. Once he reports there, the Tigers have 30 days to evaluate him, after which they'll have to decide whether to add him to their 25-man roster or outright him, since he's out of minor-league options.
Wednesday: Tigers at Red Sox
The lineup:
- Rodriguez, C
- Polanco, 2B
- Sheffield, DH
- Ordonez, RF
- Cabrera, 3B
- Guillen, 1B
- Renteria, SS
- Thames, LF
- Inge, CF
- Dustin Pedroia, 2B
- Kevin Youkilis, 1B
- David Ortiz, DH
- Manny Ramirez, LF
- Mike Lowell, 3B
- J.D. Drew, RF
- Jason Varitek, C
- Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
- Julio Lugo, SS
Granderson update
"All I did today was try to swing the bat and see what it felt like," he said.
It took him a while to get his grip down and use all his fingers to hold it, but by the end it felt pretty good.
Tuesday: Tigers at Red Sox
With Monday off to travel and regroup, manager Jim Leyland sounded pretty up-front about his club, but not panicked. His points of emphasis were to make sure players are hearing what they're saying as far as hitting approach goes.
"It's not that the effort's not there," Leyland said. "We've had the effort. We just haven't had the quality at-bats."
With that in mind, there are no surprises in the lineup today. They had a hitters meeting, but they always have a hitters meeting at the start of a series.
"There's a lot of quality players in that lineup today," Leyland said.
It's basically the same lineup as on opening day:
- Renteria, SS
- Polanco, 2B
- Sheffield, DH
- Ordonez, RF
- Cabrera, 3B
- Guillen, 1B
- Rodriguez, C
- Jones, LF
- Inge, 3B
How the '95 Reds recovered
In fact, that was part of what was working against them when the season began. Because MLB lost the first three weeks or so to the season, they had to pick up the schedule on the fly. So the Reds played their first two games at home against the Cubs, hit the road for San Diego without an off day, then came back to Cincinnati after a three-game sweep to the Padres.
Three of the six opening losses were one-run games. One was an extra-inning loss to the Cubs, another a comeback loss to the Padres, then a getaway day loss in San Diego which the Reds scored three with two outs in the top of the ninth to tie it (including a Barry Larkin home run), then lost it without giving up a hit in the bottom of the ninth.
After a shutout back at home to Curt Schilling and the Phillies, it looked like a low point. Then after the Reds finally won a game, they lost two more, including a five-hit shutout to Bobby Jones, John Franco and the Mets. When they scored runs, they couldn't hold opponents, and when the pitching was decent, they couldn't score. The only thing going right for them was Larkin, who was hitting lights-out and still had trouble scoring runs early.
Two weeks after that blanking by the Mets dropped the Reds to 1-8 and five games out of the NL Central lead, they were back at .500, having run off six straight and 10 of 12. And they kept on winning, largely with great pitching. They won 10 of their next 11 through the end of May, on top of the Central five days later, and they were 29-14 on June 12 after a four-game series sweep at Houston. They got 18 games over .500 by the All-Star break and topped out at 31 games over .500 by the end of August, at which point they topped the Central by 14 1/2 games.
Larkin, you might remember, won NL MVP honors that year in somewhat of a surprise over Colorado's Dante Bichette and his 40-homer season. Statistically, Larkin wasn't lofty that year, but was all-around excellent. The real standout? Pete Schourek somehow won 18 games, the only time he ever finished with double-digit victories.
I'm not saying it'll happen again. I'm just trying to give an idea how the Reds pulled it off. They finished with an 85-59 record and a nine-game lead on the rest of the pack in the division. Considering their 1-8 start, that means they went 84-51 from that point on. That's the record the 2006 Tigers held on Sept. 1 before they limped down the stretch.
For reference sake
- 1999 Diamondbacks -- NL West champs
- 1995 Reds -- NL Central champs
- 1985 Cardinals -- NL Champs
- 1981 Astros -- NL Wild Card
- 1977 Phillies -- NL East champs
- 1974 Pirates -- NL East champs
- 1969 Twins -- AL West champs
Friday: Tigers vs. White Sox
A little behind schedule on the posting today while trying to get the Sheffield injury info out. But here are the lineups if you need them. For Detroit:
- Thomas, CF
- Polanco, 2B
- Guillen, 1B
- Ordonez, RF
- Cabrera, DH
- Renteria, SS
- Rodriguez, C
- J. Jones, LF
- Inge, 3B
And for the White Sox:
- Nick Swisher, CF
- Orlando Cabrera, SS
- Jim Thome, DH
- Paul Konerko, 1B
- Jermaine Dye, RF
- A.J. Pierzynski, C
- Carlos Quentin, LF
- Joe Crede, 3B
- Juan Uribe, 2B
Injury updates
Meanwhile, that attempt by Gary Sheffield to take second base on the ball that fell on caused more damage than the out. He injured his left ring finger sliding into the bag. He said he tore a tendon in there, and he couldn't use it to grab a bat later in the game, so he wouldn't have been available. The finger was in a splint after the game to try to contain the swelling, but he's going to try to see how it feels tomorrow and hopefully play.
The only other injury is to the pride.
"We looked like a dead club," Jim Leyland said after the game. "We looked like an old club. And we looked like we're not prepared. ... It's the manager's responsibility to have the club prepared, and we don't look like it."
Leyland did not plan on talking to the club right now.
Cabrera scratched from lineup
The new Tigers lineup:
- Thomas, CF
- Polanco, 2B
- Sheffield, DH
- Ordonez, RF
- Guillen, 1B
- Rodriguez, C
- Renteria, SS
- Thames, LF
- Inge, 3B
Thursday: Thames gets start versus Royals
Here's the full Tigers lineup:
- Renteria, SS
- Polanco, 2B
- Sheffield, DH
- Ordonez, RF
- Cabrera, 3B
- Guillen, 1B
- Rodriguez, C
- Thames, LF
- Inge, CF
- Joey Gathright, CF
- Mark Grudzielanek, 2B
- Alex Gordon, 3B
- Jose Guillen, RF
- Billy Butler, DH
- Mark Teahen, LF
- Ross Gload, 1B
- John Buck, C
- T.J. Pena, SS
Jurrjens wins in season debut
In some ways, Jurrjens picked up where he left off last year, going after hitters and showing a poise beyond his age. From the articles:
"He's 22-years-old, and when he's on the mound, you'd think he was a 10-year veteran," Braves catcher Brian McCann said. "He was phenomenal tonight."Apparently, there was even a cheering section for Jurrjens at Turner Field. According to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, there was a group of fans in surgical scrubs who dubbed themselves Jurrjens' Surgeons.
Vindicated or vindictive?
"He was a very, very, very late addition to my book," Canseco said, "because of what he did with that article [in the New York Times]. He would've never been in my book if he would've just not done anything at all, or not written or had this article somehow placed in the newspaper about me. That was ridiculous."
When Beckmann asked Canseco why he wasn't originally going to include Ordonez, Canseco said, "Because I didn't need any more players to justify my position. But he basically slit his own throat."
When Beckmann suggested he vindictively included Ordonez in his book, Canseco said, "Just as he vindictively said to the media, or indirectly said to the media, or somehow fixed this to say I was trying to extort money from him. Are you kidding me? That's ridiculous."
Canseco tried to explain the extortion issue earlier in the interview.
"I tried to contact Magglio and his agent and a few other people for an opportunity for an investment. I called them constantly. No one ever returned my phone call. The next thing I hear in the paper is that I'm trying to extort money from Magglio Ordonez. ...
"I truly believe that Magglio is covering his butt. And then it says in the paper that Magglio automatically went to his organization and Major League Baseball and told them I was trying to get a hold of them. Listen, if I was trying to extort money from Magglio, it's very simple. All Magglio would have to do is call the FBI, call Major League Baseball, and record a phone conversation.
"Common sense, let's use it now and then, people. It never happened."
It was a strange recollection, considering he has said before that he hadn't tried to contact Ordonez. The only time he had tried to reach Ordonez, he wrote in the book, was after his first book came out and he was looking for support from someone.
All in all, it was a very strange interview, and it ended abruptly when Beckmann tried to put together a timeline. Canseco and Ordonez were teammates in 2001. Beckmann pointed out that it was the third of four straight 30-homer seasons for Ordonez, and wondered aloud why there wasn't a statistical performance increase.
Canseco's response: "Are you calling me a liar? Are you calling me a liar? Later."
I flipped through Canseco's book over the weekend, and the reference to Ordonez was relatively short, a few pages in the last or next-to-last chapter. Canseco recounted the conversation he says they had when Ordonez asked him about steroids and then when he injected Ordonez.
Wednesday: Tigers vs. Royals
Here's the Tigers lineup, same as Monday:
- Renteria, SS
- Polanco, 2B
- Sheffield, DH
- Ordonez, RF
- Cabrera, 3B
- Guillen, 1B
- Rodriguez, C
- Jones, LF
- Inge, CF
- Gathright, CF
- Grudzielanek, 2B
- Gordon, 3B
- Guillen, RF
- Butler, DH
- Teahen, LF
- Gload, 1B
- Buck, C
- Pena, SS
Money money money money ... money!
Admit it, you knew the Tigers had joined baseball's big spenders, but you didn't realize they were THIS far up:
For the first time, the Tigers, who obtained Dontrelle Willis and Miguel Cabrera in a trade with Florida this offseason, are second in baseball at a total payroll of $138.7 million, $5.3 million higher than the defending World Series champion Red Sox ($133.4 million). The Mets were third overall and tops in the National League at $138.3 million.
Now, to be fair, the Red Sox payroll doesn't include all the money spent in the bidding war for Dice-K two winters ago. But consider this: Boston spent to keep Mike Lowell and Curt Schilling (albeit at a decent rate on Schilling), and they still got passed by the Tigers.
I'm interested to hear about Tigers fans look at this. Detroit has always been the team that tried to beat up on the high-payroll clubs. Detroit fans would taunt New York fans in 2006. Now they're one of those big-spending clubs that other teams' fans love to hate. If you're a Detroit fan, is this an awkward place to be in while you root on your team?