Tuesday’s lineups: Tigers vs. Indians

The day after clinching can be an interesting game for teams. For some, it’s a hangover game and everybody drags. For teams still fighting for something more than a playoff spot, such as seeding, it can be business as usual. We’ll see which team comes out for the Indians. J.D. Martinez admitted last night he’s hoping for the hangover.

“What you hope for now is they’re happy,” Martinez said. “You know they won and maybe they stay off the gas pedal a little bit and we can take over this series.”

Their lineup seems to reflect the celebration that went on after last night’s game. Backup catcher Chris Gimenez starts at third base. Michael Martinez starts at second.

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tigerpitcherlogoTIGERS (numbers off Clevinger)

  1. Ian Kinsler, 2B
  2. Cameron Maybin, CF (0-for-1)
  3. Miguel Cabrera, 1B
  4. Victor Martinez, DH (0-for-0, walk)
  5. J.D. Martinez, RF
  6. Justin Upton, LF (1-for-1)
  7. Erick Aybar, 3B
  8. James McCann, C
  9. Jose Iglesias, SS (0-for-1)

P: Justin Verlander

indiansblueclogoINDIANS (career numbers vs. Verlander)

  1. Tyler Naquin, CF (2-for-10, HR, 6 K’s)
  2. Michael Martinez, 2B (2-for-5, walk, 2 K’s)
  3. Abraham Almonte, RF (2-for-8, triple, walk, 2 K’s)
  4. Carlos Santana, DH (13-for-63, 2 walks, 7 HR, 8 walks, 15 K’s)
  5. Brandon Guyer, LF (0-for-2, K)
  6. Jesus Aguilar, 1B
  7. Chris Gimenez, 3B (0-for-2, K)
  8. Adam Moore, C (0-for-3, K)
  9. Erik Gonzalez, SS

P: Mike Clevinger


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The Tribe is basically telling us to take this game.
Booby prize?

Food for thought, if JV throws 15 innings without an earned run he lowers his ERA to under 3.
Not too far fetched given his nature, talent, and the need for his team to win.
The Indians are putting up a pretty weak offense tonight as far as I can tell.

Or the Tigers are set up for the ultimate embarrassment.

Positivity only (till the game starts)!!!

Mayb Tito wants us to make the Wild Card slot so they can play us again!

Not sure why miggy decided to go home there…that being said he might of been safe

Just what the doctor ordered. Miggy needs to lead this team and that is exactly what he was doing when he read JD pop fly perfectly and tried to steal a run.
This guy is so important to the team. He raises their level of play but even if he “slouches” it affects the team in the other direction.
Let’s win out.

Thanks Darline for the stat on the Tigers fielding. I said some shaky defense. I did not realize they had so few errors. How about the plays that should have been made? Is there a stat for that? Go Tigers!

13th worst in DRS and UZR 10 th in dWAR

10 worst team with 5 finalists for the GG: P, C,1B, 2B and SS

I’d hope they take JV out. Even if he does want to stay.
Let’s get Machado, Jones, Hicks and Moya in too

While this is fun let’s get real they played a minor league team….and pitching

And did what they were supposed to do 12-0

1 GB. The W counts the same. The Tribe won against Farmer
Miguel 5 RBI. The first 5 runs of the team.
35 HR 102 RBI. 12 th season with 100 RBI tied with Bonds, Manny and Al Simmons

I think I just heard Tug McGraw: “Ya gotta believe”

1.How nice is it for Nick to come back with a double.
2. How nice is it for the Big Guy to have five RBI’s.
3. How nice is it for JV to walk off the mound to roaring approval by Tiger Fans.

I was completely impressed with Casty’s AB. He laid off the pitch that has plagued him with relative ease.
This was a very good day for this team. Their HOF leaders showed the way and they guys responded.
So much pressure on the kid tomorrow.

Astros put up 6-spot on Mariners, lead 8-4. Things breaking well so far tonight.

Three Realities:
1. Ian Kinsler is the heart and soul of this team.
2. Andrew Romine is worth his weight in gold.
3. Whipping Boy no longer applies to our left fielder. Great job JUp.

Three should happen awards that probably won’t:
Cy Young -Justin Verlander
ROY – Michael Fulmer
Comeback Player – Victor Martinez

Three What Could have happened with no injuries:
Julio hits 40 Homers.
ZMan wins 15 games
Tigers win Central

Three huge mistakes which hurt the team:
Keeping Sanchez and Pelfry in the Rotation for so long.
ZMan rushing back from DL twice.
Brad’s unwillingness to break the Bull Pen traditional blueprint. Tito has shown that you use your best pitcher whenever needed.

Looking back you are correct . But that’s why Tito has a couple rings . Lets hope maybe Brad learned a thing or two.

Three whose total absence would have killed the season:
1. Alex Wilson
2. Michael Fulmer
3. Cameron Maybin

Three whose lineup absence together, could not have been overcome:

Three great stories for 2016:
Bruce Rondon
The Three Amigos(Fulmer, Boyd, Norris)
Cameron Mabin

MLB is warming to metrics, but lots of it is peripheral and subjective and best used to enhance evaluations..MLB posts basic numbers because they actually mean something and are not so arbitrary. In essence, when a guy stinks it up when you see him and his basic numbers suck, then all the peripheral stuff that is thrown out there is entirely useless. See comments on this blog for Sanchez, Pelfrey and Aviles as real life examples of what I just said..

Three unheralded heroes:
Andrew Romine
Alex Wilson
Jose Iglesias

Three Goats to Heroes:
Justin Upton
Justin Verlander
Nick Castellanos

Three Flops for the year:
Mark Lowe
Mike Avilas
Anabal Sanchez

Greg, I enjoyed your comments. Thank you!

9/28 Cleve Fulmer
9/29 Cleve Norris
9/30 Atl Boyd
10/1 Atl Farmer?
10/2 Atl Verlander
If Tigers end season in tie with Baltimore then
10/3 G163 Fulmer
If Tigers win G163 then WC game likely @Toronto Norris pitches(could happen)
But….. Toronto could go 0-5 and Baltimore could go 1-4. Then 3-2 gets Tigers home field advantage for WC. Or……What happens if Toronto finishes 1-4, Baltimore 3-2 and Detroit 4-1? What are the rules in a 3 way tie? If Seattle finishes 5-0 with the above scenario there could be a 4 way tie. What are the rules in a 4 way tie, all finishing @ 88-74? I’m getting way ahead of things but point is it could happen.

Great lists Greg. Notably Alex Wilson makes two of the lists. That says something about his importance to this team.

Discovered a flaw in my calculations. If Toronto finishes 0-5, it would follow that the worst Baltimore could finish is 2-3 since they play each other 2 more times. But there are still a couple of combinations that could cause a 4 way tie. 1-4, 3-2, 4-1, 5-0 and 0-5, 2-3, 3-2, 4-1. I think that’s it.

Long shot for a 4 way tie but odds not that bad for 3 way. A 2 way tie seems almost probable.

You sure made up for not having three yesterday!!
Cool Greg.
The frustrating thing about this season (for me) is that I truly believe the Tigers we saw today are the the ones we could have seen all year. For some reason, and obviously injuries are part of it, they just could not sustain that vibe.
Now can they overcome tall odds and squeak in? Norris and Fulmer will be a big part of it. Ausmus might consider giving Boyd another go but he better be ready to have another. I actually think Boyd will get a nod over Farmer should it become a situation of one or the other.
I think Anibal has given up too many untimely homers the last two years to be trusted at this stage. Shame because there are times his stuff is really tight but then out of nowhere comes the bombs.
Zimm is going to get a chance to endear himself to fans.
I was surprised to see Aybar getting the start today over Romine. Romine in my mind is just so much more reliable and certainly more comfortable at 3rd. Ayba looks very awkward there. Hopefully Casty ends that debate starting tomorrow.
It was nice to see everything so well scripted.

Here’s some tiebreaker stuff, Marty. I didn’t read it but you have fun. 🙂

Marty you made my head spin with your scenarios – so many things can happen in a short amount of time. Cleveland made it easy on us last night, but all wins are good and JV was fantastic I don’t care who was batting. I think it was good to keep him in for 100 pitches. If he comes out early because they don’t need him and he is at 80 I think in his mind he feels he did not pitch enough and may be off his next start. I think that was smart keeping him at his normal pace plus our bullpen has been taxed a tad lately and we may need them with a few of our starting pitchers coming up – hope not. Great to see a team of backups starting the 9th inning. Very smart to get Nick in there for an AB and how fun for him to do that, the crowd was loving it.

Thanks Rich! I read it. I highly recommend reading it. It doesn’t go into 4 way ties for both wild cards but it does go to 3 team tie for first WC and 3 team tie for second WC. (By the way, different formulas for both.) The most interesting scenario: Suppose Astros, Orioles, and Tigers tie for the second WC spot. Each team is positioned as A, B or C based on head to head records between them. Astros would be the A team, Orioles B, and Tigers C. Astros have a choice as A team. Either play B at home and then C at home on consecutive days, or let Band C play and then play the winner of that game away. Which doesn’t make sense to me. Seems fairest for C to play @ B, with the winner playing @ A.

Tigers are 3rd in the AL with 28 3run HRs. Mariners and Red Sox have hit 33. J-Up has hit 9.

Tiger Girl it made my head spin too. Probably because I threw it together without much thought and got a record wrong which negated the effort. There are actually 2 scenarios for a 4 way tie for 1st WC, and I think at least one scenario for a 4 way tie for the 2nd WC. That one involves Houston. But thankfully here’s the reality. If the Tigers win last 5, chances are very good that they at least go into 2 way tie for 2nd WC. Wonder what Cleveland’s lineup will look like tonight. They are playing for home field advantage. Would imagine Tito will strike a compromise between resting players and going all out. We’ll see more regulars than last night. If it’s close, Tigers will see the “good” BP…. Miller.

Thanks Mayo. They are a godsend when they happen to be sure.
Good point TG on keeping JV in to get those pitches. He sure did not want to come out but I bet Brad probably told him he can pitch till a runner gets on board and JV would have jumped on that offer. Gives Brad a slightly more comfortable visit to the mound I guess!
The big guns (I will include Ian and Upton here as well as the HOFers), imparted a lesson for the young guns and that lesson was as important as the results.

DB, to answer your question, UZR and DRS are metric tools designed to address your issue. But, “BUYER BEWARE.” Metrics giant Fangraphs has cautioned the use of defensive metrics thusly: “UZR (or any other sample metric) does not give us a perfect estimate of a player’s talent or even an accurate picture of what actually happened on the field. The reason for that is that the data is imperfect.”

Tonight’s lineup is the one we all envisioned way back in April. Hope no one slips on a
banana peel.

Good point Greg. I wonder how many times we actually had these 9 in the lineup at the same this year. Not many, I bet. Between the early injuries of Maybin and McCann and the later ones of JD and Nick. If you had told me in April that we would have had to rely on Boyd, Fulmer and Norris for over 50 starts, I would have said we would not be in the hunt. And yet here we are, with 5 to play, right in the thick of it. With all the obstacles, we are still in the hunt. And that is why I feel (as frustrating as this team has been at times), this season is not a failure. Last year was a failure. Enjoy the race. The alternative is no fun at all.
Buckle up. Go Tigers.
— Bob

According to baseball-reference , 4th game with the batting order,10th game with the same players

Thanks El Tigre. I knew you would have the answer. I did not think it was that low. Wow. Further makes my point.
— Bob

11th. They have played 10

Actually this is the 1st time this order has been used. The other 3 times Nick hit before J-Up.

Next obstacle is weather. We could have a mess on our hands.

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