Sunday’s lineups: Tigers vs. Royals

The tragic death of Jose Fernandez had a profound impact on the Tigers clubhouse and, by extension, their lineup today. Jose Iglesias was originally in the lineup at shortstop, but he was emotional over the news of his good friend and fellow Cuban player.

“We’ve been through a lot together,” Iglesias said. “It was just very fortunate. He was only 24. His family feels like … I can’t explain how his family feels.”

Iglesias was scratched minutes shortly after the lineup was posted, with Andrew Romine starting in his place.

Jarrod Saltalamacchia played with Fernandez for parts of two seasons, catching eight of his starts. He was in the video room while the clubhouse was open to the media, so his state of mind is unknown. He traditionally catches Matt Boyd’s starts, so he’s in the lineup.

On the Royals side, Eric Hosmer is off. Whit Merrifield starts at first base, his fifth different defensive position this season.

Gameday | TV: FOX, MLB.TV | Radio: 97.1 FM, MLB Gameday Audio

TIGERS (career numbers off Edinson Volquez)

  1. Ian Kinsler, 2B (10-for-25, 2 doubles, 2 walks, 3 K’s)
  2. Cameron Maybin, CF (1-for-4, walk, K)
  3. Miguel Cabrera, 1B (6-for-16, double, 3 walks)
  4. Victor Martinez, DH (3-for-24, double, walk, 4 K’s)
  5. J.D. Martinez, RF (3-for-18, double, HR, 2 walks, 4 K’s)
  6. Justin Upton, LF (11-for-26, 5 doubles, HR, walk, 5 K’s)
  7. Erick Aybar, 3B (1-for-2)
  8. Jarrod Saltalamacchia, C (1-for-10, double, walk, 6 K’s)
  9. Andrew Romine, SS (2-for-3, double)

P: Matt Boyd

ROYALS (career numbers vs. Boyd)

  1. Billy Burns, CF (0-for-3, K)
  2. Whit Merrifield, 1B (2-for-3, double)
  3. Kendrys Morales, DH (8-for-11, 2 doubles, triple, HR)
  4. Salvador Perez, C (2-for-10, 2 K’s)
  5. Paulo Orlando, RF (1-for-2)
  6. Alex Gordon, LF (0-for-3, walk, 2 K’s)
  7. Alcides Escobar, SS (2-for-8, K)
  8. Cheslor Cuthbert, 3B (1-for-3)
  9. Raul Mondesi, 2B

P: Edinson Volquez


Okay, don’t let Morales beat you.

Awesome start for Boyd…..crap

Bound to happen eventually with such young pitchers throwing at a time like this. What is annoying though is they plug two subs into the top of the lineup and they both hit. Sure wish that would happen for us.
Better get the bullpen going.

Get him the hell out of there…..not like the game is important or anything!

Guess it’s already time to find something else to do this afternoon.

These are the Tigers we have seen all year. Motivating winning streak followed by instant, inexplicable gloom.

These guys better show up at the plate….instead of those miserable ab’s with runners on base we were treated to yesterday.

It is on the offense now. Apparently the ball is not hiding well in the ethereal space between the mound and home plate.

They better be able to do something against Volquez and his 5.25 era …although the higher the era the worse these guys perform…I’m guessing they’ll be shut out if history holds true

After that start a win today is a bonus. That is my mindset at this point. Might as well relax and see how our Tigers can respond.

Brad will need to piece the game together much like Francona did except spotting other team 4. Can be done.

Way to go Miguel congratulations on grounding into the double play…

Way to step up….big fella need to be better than that…

Generally speaking, I have been enthusiastic about the future with Fulmer, Norris and Boyd. There will be rough spots like today, I know. But Pelfrey has been a yuge disappointment. Zimmermann and Sanchez seem to be nearing the end of their careers unless one of them makes a comeback next year. So that’s 3/5 of the starting rotation they were counting on. Finding another starter may be one goal this winter. Then there is the annual pursuit of a BP. I think most field positions are covered if the batters can just avoid so many of these dry hitting streaks.

Patience will be a virtue today. Different inning if Kinsler’s liner finds a hole.

Romine, Aybar. The boys at least aren’t going to give anything away. That’s something.

Even though Maybin seems a bit fragile, we have to be surprised that he leads the team in BA. Just seems to have a knack of finding holes in opposing defenses.
I’m sure El T will slap me down with some stats but it sure does seem like Miggy has set a season record for grounding into DP’s.

Hard to watch when he has runners on .

Quality AB by Victor….1 pitch weak groundout….gotta be better than that but let’s face he’s pretty much been useless for nearly a month. Wish they’d move him down …or better yet take him out.

BUMS…..DONE THEIR DONE I’M DONE. If it’s not important for the players why I’m the hell should I waste my time on this beautiful day

Those stats can xplain anything you want to fit them too sometimes.
Like the stats about Kimbrel, Chapman,and Miller after I mentioned how the best teams picked up the best closers.
They don’t explain what hitters against those guys see when they come in. They see the lights go out–is what they see and that is not a stat but an observable phenomenon.
Saltalamacchia is just about an automatic K these days. In his last 26 ABs he has whiffed 13 times. Defensively he is at best average and many times a liability back there. Can’t see another year of him as back-up.
McCann will need to step up considerably. Shorten his swing, lay off bad pitches and not fall prey to the excuse that catchers don’t necessarily have to hit. He will have to hit.
Feel bad for the Indians. They had such a good year only to have two top notch starters go down for them.
Odd “stat” of the day. 45 saves in 2015 and part of 2016. Andrew Miller does seem to be a closer after all!

Miggy is indeed leading the league in GIDP. He did the same 4 years ago.

His career worst was in 2012: 28. Won the Triple Crown and MVP

WOW! A grand slam from V-Mart!!! Can they keep it going?
Miggy is leading the LEAGUE in DPs? I was only thinking the team.

Useless? third HR this week

Yes despite a homer today he’s been absolutely useless ….I don’t give a crap today when the game is pretty much out of hand and doesnt matter. He was a major part of the crappy day yesterday.

New ball game but sure wish Upton would have been a bit more disciplined to get JD in from 3rd.
Salty up now. Oh well.

El T let’s be fans together OK? Taking things out of context, re-arranging other’s thoughts and opinions and flooding issues with stats is not “team-work”.

Illinois asked . You mentioned his DP and I added when, That was all

I guess he was a aware that JD was running at third. The worst play in a while

A pitcher……..a pitcher……..My team needs a pitcher. Did Hardy have to come out after one inning?

My Bad—-I thought you were referring to some time ago when I said that unless Victor was “busting down fences, he was virtually useless”.
My apologies.
These are tough times for us all

We have seen these kinds of bullpen performances from all of our performers today.

Next up?


I realize some of you do not put a lot of faith in the Gameday strike zone but every pitch JD swung at was out of the strike zone. A little more patience and a keener eye could have been a walk.

I have never figured out if it is the de facto strike zone or not. I do take it as “true” and if it is in fact digitally or electronically correct then hopefully MLB changes the rules regarding its use.

Remember Jim Northrup?
Hard to believe it was 48 years ago that he did what hopefully Victor can do next inning.

It is good to see these guys not give up after what they have had to deal with the pitching they have got yesterday and today

(groan) That possible walk JD might have had could have been followed by the Upton HR for a grand slam. Coulda woulda shoulda.

“Only” 5 runs down. Maybin leads off. Can he get a 4th hit today?

Had Cam been able to stay healthy how would things have gone ? He is the future of the Tigers .

What a game going on in Toronto. Small ball

Maybin again! Can we clone this guy? Please Miggy, no DP.

Game over…pitching sucks….umpiring really bad.

Would have been real interesting if Miggy had walked.
Maybin clearly frustrated, wrong, but understood
How and why do we go (overnight) from streaking while playing good ball to clunkers ?
Avila has his work cut out for him this off-season

Al A. Really has to work double time to come up with a pen . The fans don’t want to arrive in Lakeland and see a broken down mess. Tigers have to be setting a record for stranded runners. The games yesterday and today should have been won.

Yes indeed. Patience needed today. Actually a very entertaining game to watch. If just one of our relief pitchers could have held besides Hardy this might have been a comeback. Goes back to 2 pitchers left in too long. Boyd and Sanchez and even Greene, ….maybe Pelfry, possible Zim…..heck they were all left in too long. Other arms in the BP. Wonder if Brad would have used BP differently had he known his team would score 9. Came down to having a chance. Can’t ask for more. I think if Miguel’s hit dropped Tigers would have gone on to win. Just a great day for hitters…..

Cabrera lingering in the on deck circle is the most unrealistic statement of the year; at least this year. Sorry ElT, this has not been the same Miggy; throw any stat you want to throw, and it doesn’t mean squat. To lead MLB in GIDP says enough. Do I still think he’s the best hitter of our generation? You bet I do, but HE HAS NOT come through as in the past. That says nothing about a pitching staff that would allow 12 runs; but what do you expect with Anabal and Pelfry? Nobody could stop the bleeding. Then to leave 12 RISP today after 14 yesterday pretty much says what I said a week ago. We can’t beat KC or Cleveland, even at home:
1. A great Cam day.
2. Whippin Boy and Magic Feet refused to give up.
3. ZMan gave a little hope in his 3 innings.(a little(.
Kudos to the above, And Iggy for the 9th. inning hit under duress. Such a tragedy for a 24 year old, much less a future MLB superstar. As fans, this ought to remind us again, that life is precious and often taken for granted, with not only players, but family. Not ready to cede the fight yet, but we might be running out of ammo.

The entire season has hinged on the inability to beat Cleveland and KC. 9-24 there, and 74-47 against the rest of MLB. Just bad matchups. How exactly would that be addressed in the offseason?

It is impossible to win when after 6 , there are 3 automatic outs lined up.
Romine is nice guy but it was a bad strategy. He had no biz bunting or batting there. But there are no options on the bench.
McCant with his 630 OPS is not better than Saltalamacchia . Young? Upside? Now, they are equally weak hitters.
SO machines is the only thing they have on the bench
Greene had two good months. He is a career 4.30 ERA pitcher with no upside. It was just a mirage. Why did he take Hardy out?
Last 5 games , Victor: 3 HR 9 RBI 5R. Facts.

GIDP leader in 2012 while wining the Triple Crown , Miguel, first. Second? Pujols And third ?Ortiz. Hit the ball hard, DP will come.

9/26 Cleveland Farmer
9/27 Cleveland Fulmer
9/28 Cleveland Verlander
9/29 Cleveland Norris
9/30 Atlanta Boyd
10/1 Atlanta ????
10/2 Atlanta Fulmer? or maybe Verlander on 3 days rest?
WC or G163 Verlander
Verlander or Fulmer could pitch 2 more games each. That’s 3 good chances to win. If Justin wins 2 more his record would be 17-8. At least in the conversation for CY?
Realistically they need to go 5-2 to even have a chance.

McCann’s swing is very McCannical. I rarely trust he will get a hit. Salty is missing everything, like the ball is a mirage. But at least his swing looks natural, like he MIGHT hit the ball. For defense McCann gets slight edge but really, on what? Throws to second? I’ll give Salty the nod for PT. But today # 8 and 9 were brutal. A bit unfair to judge Miguel in light of what 8-9 didn’t do. Yeah he gets paid a lot more. I get it. Have to agree with El T regarding DP. Those 3 guys are pure hitters. They lumber. Since they hit the ball hard, DP’s happen. Miguel’s last line drive looked at first like it had a lot of speed coming off the bat. Had me fooled. Thought for about a half second it was the game tier. Would have made him 2 for 5.

I’m not sure what other people are seeing in McCann, but I see a young price-controlled catcher who is defensively among the best in MLB. Of those who have played at least half their team’s games, he is second in throwing out runners, tied for first in least passed balls and 6th in fielding percentage. McCann is significantly superior statistically in many categories to more vaunted and expensive catchers such as Weiters, Lucroy, Molina and Martin.

As far as offense goes, McCann is certainly neither Gattis nor Lucroy, but he is definitely better than Salty, who actually has a long swing with a dipping back shoulder that does not allow his bat to remain in the hitting plane for very long and causes lots of misses. In fact, McCann’s BA is .220 to Salty’s .173, his HR total is the same and he has driven in 47 runs to Salty’s 38.

Hear hear. Even though his avg is low it is almost 50 (that’s FIFTY) points higher than Salty. Salty’s head looks like it is mounted on a gimbal when he swings. He is at the point where he thinks he needs to park one to make up for all the bad at bats. That will not work.
He was sloppy the whole game thru on defense today. Almost in a fog from what I saw.
He gets way more credit than he deserves when the pitchers pitch well—how about when they don’t like today?
I shudder to think of him as a Tiger another year.
He is not the only one that makes me shudder.
Tigers actually might get a bit of a break in that Toronto now plays Baltimore and Houston plays Seattle. I can now legitimately cheer my a$$ off for the Jays.
Trade bait:
Any takers?

I’m going to give Salty a pass if he looked like he was in a fog. He used to be Jose Fernandez’s catcher.

Woodbery reports:
“He just did that on his own,” Ausmus said.
Why, particularly in that situation?
“You’d have to ask him,” Ausmus said. “I can’t say what he was thinking.”

He backs his players

Yes, the bunt

The bunt is water under the bridge. The problem is the Ausmus reaction

Well spoken and defended both Darline and Dan. You both follow this blog closely and with keen critical insight. I got tag teamed:-) I can take it:-) Re: McCann, I’ve always liked him and appreciated his defensive game. I believe he’s a keeper. In my last entry I was simply attempting to combine a little humor with frustration. A thinly veiled submission of plain old cynicism. “McCannical” and “mirage”(for Salty). Upon further review I will acknowledge McCann has more than just a slight edge defensively but there are other elements to consider in the equation, such as game calling and handling pitchers, intangibles that, thankfully, one can’t assign a statistic to. Might be Salty gets the edge there. So…… either catcher Brad inserts into the lineup here on out is fine with me. As a Tiger fan I’m not rooting for one over the other. Just hoping both of them can contribute offensively on a slightly more regular basis.

Assume you’re talking about Romine’s bunt. Most agree a poor choice. In that situation Andrew likely was feeling elevated pressure to come through for his team. And he hasn’t had very strong ABs in the last few games. His hitting confidence probably down. We correctly give him credit for how intelligently he plays the game. But even for guys like him, the game can speed up quickly. His mind committed to the bunt and he was locked in. Had the low percentage play worked, he’d a looked like a baseball genius. So it turns out Andrew is human. Forgive and move on.

We (I) dropped the mic for Romine so many times that the thing finally shattered on the stage (credit to Bob for coming up with the mic drop). My only thought when he stepped in was attempt to work a walk, force in a run, and turn the lineup over; Santiago ball. I was as shocked as everyone when he laid one down.

Would you tell your manager “i am going bunt, I think it will work.”

You mean like that scene with Jake Taylor in “Major League”?

How should Ausmus have answered that question about the bunt?

Man these responses are out of order. Confusing. Re: bunt, I haven’t read anything else outside what’s been on this blog. Maybe my assessment of Romine’s thinking totally missed the mark. Maybe he got too overconfident in his ability to ambush the Royals. Agree with Rich, the right approach would have been to work a possible walk. More pitches, more chances to force KC into a mistake. Regarding the quote El T I’m not following your point. “Backs his players” and “The problem is the Ausmus reaction.” are not congruent. Sounds like Brad wasn’t pleased with Andrew’s decision. And he wanted to make it clear that it wasn’t his decision. Weakly defending Andrew and being snarky?

My bad, “Back his players ” was sarcasm.

Good question Rich. Was mine too.

Well said about “The Bunt” Marty and Romine’s possible thinking on it.
Probably very accurate.
He made a mistake but it was not as vital a mistake as the ones our pitchers made consistently over the course of the game. In fact it almost seems as though media is thinking he traded a bunt attempt for a 2 RBI single as a foregone conclusion.
The chances of that happening were well about 240 out of a 1000.
Romine is one of the smartest (baseball wise) players on the team. Still.

Romine’s bunt effort was a surprise taken out of KC’s Small Ball playbook. Ironically, KC took several pages out of Detroit’s Big Ball playbook to slam the Tigers.

Well Andrew just called. Yeah, wonders, how did he get my number? ….His explanation was that, as he stepped into the box, this odd thought occurred. “The sum of the square roots of any two sides of an isosceles triangle is equal to the square root of the remaining side.” Next thing he knew, he was squared around to bunt.

Good one Darline.

We seem to be talking two different subjects here.
a) Was bunting a good idea there. I don’t care what the media thinks; I do my own thinking when it comes to baseball. My only thought was to work that pitcher and at least take some pitches.
b) How does Brad, or any manager, answer a question like that? Honestly, or lie to protect his player.

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