Sunday’s lineups: Tigers at Indians


The Tigers don’t usually take a whole lot of batting practice on Sunday mornings, but after Saturday’s 10-inning shutout, they were out on the field hitting, trying to find a spark to ignite an offense that — aside from Justin Upton’s two home runs Friday night — has been pretty much silent this series and wasn’t doing a whole lot against the Twins earlier in the week. They have a decent history against Trevor Bauer, but his stuff makes him capable of shutting down a lineup for six innings or more. And with the workload the Indians bullpen handled Saturday, gotta figure Bauer will get every chance to find his form today and stretch out his pitch count.

A reminder for those channel-flipping between baseball and football: The game is on TBS as well as Fox Sports Detroit.

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tigersloseoutroTIGERS (career numbers off Bauer)

  1. Ian Kinsler, 2B (7-for-22, double, HR, walk, 2 K’s)
  2. Cameron Maybin, CF (1-for-2, K)
  3. Miguel Cabrera, 1B (5-for-18, 2 doubles, 4 walks, 2 K’s)
  4. Victor Martinez, DH (6-for-21, HR, 4 walks, 4 K’s)
  5. J.D. Martinez, RF (7-for-19, HR, 2 walks, 4 K’s)
  6. Justin Upton, LF (1-for-3, double)
  7. Erick Aybar, 3B (1-for-4, walk, K)
  8. James McCann, C (0-for-2, K)
  9. Jose Iglesias, SS (2-for-4, K)

P: Daniel Norris

clevelandlogoINDIANS (career numbers vs. Norris)

  1. Rajai Davis, CF (0-for-1, walk, K)
  2. Jason Kipnis, 2B (0-for-3)
  3. Francisco Lindor, SS (0-for-1)
  4. Mike Napoli, DH (1-for-2, double)
  5. Carlos Santana, 1B (2-for-3)
  6. Jose Ramirez, 3B (0-for-0, walk)
  7. Brandon Guyer, LF (1-for-6, double, walk, 2 K’s)
  8. Abraham Almonte, RF (0-for-1)
  9. Chris Gimenez, C (0-for-1)

P: Trevor Bauer

75 Comments

Well, what this team accomplished yesterday is something I wouldn’t have thought possible. Nine different pitchers, no runs off any of them.
It’s unfortunate that a fairly interesting season will be remembered by its conclusion.

I was supposed to be in New York last night but my wife didn’t feel well so we didn’t go. Lucked out there, as one personal 9/11 experience is enough for a lifetime. I guess my payback was having to watch the Tigers.

“We’re careful about signs here,” said manager Brad Ausmus. “There’s no accusation or anything. We’re just careful with the signs here.”
The Tribe is stealing signs so they are killing the pitchers. And the vanished offense what have to do with that?

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Another one of the reasons why Brad is not a good manager IMHO:
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2016/09/18/rajai-davis-loves-life-cleveland-get-play-my-game/90619310/
He doesn’t adjust well to personnel nor to in game situations.
Davis’ talents could have been maximized better.

OK Brad–OPEN your eyes (and your mind)!!

Victor Martinez is killing this team……if he’s not popping up he’s grounding into a double play! Utterly useless

He needs to be sitting on the bench..

That should have been done 2 weeks ago.

Well while Brad isn’t my favorite …..I have to put 98% on the players.

Same old story. 1st inning 2 on no score. 2nd inning 2 on no score……………..

2 innings and 4 left on.
McCann is completely bewildered. After today’s loss why not play Hicks?

McCann 29.2 SO%. Upton 29.4

And of course they get a guy on and he scores.

That is on Maybin

Must be nice to have a bunch of guys who care instead of overpaid supposed elite baseball players that can’t drive in a run ….

2500 career hits

Brad’s hearing must be real good. Victor writhes around in major pain and pleads his case to stay in the game and Brad complies.

Well that’s about the only way Victor can get an rbi

He wants to win. No matter what Clark says

Not to mention that Vmart went to third on a single

No guts, no glory. Way to go Miggy.

Thought for sure that inning was going to be like a microcosm of the season.
Bases loaded, nobody out, hitters going for the fence against a guy on the ropes, striking out miserably, etc etc. Aybar changed all that.
Shame on Upton. Horrible at bat under the circumstances. JD’s was bad enough and a good next hitter has to keep that in mind knowing his team needs another strikeout like a hole in the head.
In many circles this guy is considered a premium, even elite, ball player. I have seen him as frustrating, lazy, stubborn, undisciplined, mediocre, uninspiring and obviously inconsistent.
I would love nothing more than to see him replaced with a power LHB with defensive skills and personality.

when the bases were loaded was a better oportunity for that

Upton, third in HR for the Tigers

Get the BP ready

1st in Strikeouts. 1st in over-rated. 1st in swinging for the fence about 98% of the time. Probably 1st in leaving runners on base. 1st in under-achieving and 1st for less return on contract terms.

Yeah sure–He’s #1 in my books!

They need to be very aware of Daniel this inning. IF they pitch him then he needs to be taken out the moment someone reaches safely.

Cleveland is handing the game to them….I guess we don’t want it… ..

Shocker Victor grounds out and strands 2 more. Heaven forbid you get a hit …

Watching this team play is plain torment…Cleveland playing loose as a goose…
Tigers playing like its their last breath….

And Victor strands 6 on the day

Nice JD….

Smartest move by Brad all year. With 2 runners just walked, have Victor just stand there for 3 called strikes so he doesn’t hit into a DP.

43 saves

2.5 behind Jays

Wasn’t it Kinsler who hit that pitch yesterday that resulted in a fracture to C starting pitcher? I thought so. Some kind of coincidence today, but I guess we’ll have to take their word for it.

Three observations:
1. Really like Norris’ upside potential.
2. Vmart has no foundation under him at this time.
3. It takes a lot for us to beat the Tribe.
Three things I didn’t like today:
1.Trying to beat the Tigers by literally beating them with a baseball.
2. The missed strike three on Rajai; helped the Tribe to score and prevented Norris from going 6 vs. 5.
3. The missed opportunity on our part to bust it open in the third.
Three things I liked today:
1. Add on runs finally.
2. A Shane Greene clean 4 out performance.
3. Gripe as much as I do, Frankie didn’t play around for his 43rd. save.
Kudos to Daniel, Julio, Eric, and JUp. The season moves on.

Next round Tigers @ Twins. Boston @ Baltimore, Toronto @ Seattle. Critical move it up time.

They can’t keep taking 2 steps backward before taking 1 step forward. That gets them nowhere.

Not sure whether Rich was alluding to but I can’t get Hotel California out of my mind when I think of the 2016 Tig season.

“You can check out any time you want but you can never leave”?

Watching Tiger games in 2016 kind of like “The Kramer”. “He’s a loathsome offensive brute. Yet I can’t look away.”…..and then of course…..”We’ll take the Kramer”

They seemed to play more as a team today. Nice to get a solid win.

How about WC game Seattle @ Detroit.

Today was nice to watch. Wish we would have had more of these this year and more to come.

Brain trust really needs to think about the rest of the schedule. If a guy is struggling it is not like you have half or even a quarter of the season to let him battle thru it.
A guy struggling at this time is a liability and needs to be dealt with directly.
Missed reading about the drama in the 3rd inning but my feeling was that Bauer is a good guy and a good pitcher who was simply wild. Regardless, if it fired up the Tigers then at least it means they have the capacity to GET fired up.
Norris pitched exceptionally well I thought. AW got burned by a really good hitter. What I SEE with Alex right now is how well he is throwing the ball. He’s damn impressive.
What I see in the bullpen is worrisome–especially for next year.
JW can throw 96 or even 97 but he doesn’t seem like he has a feel for pitching. Look at the way Andrew throws. There is no comparison, except maybe the radar gun. JW is hoping for the best when he releases the ball. Ausmus needs to go to Hardy and Ryan more often than to try and force the square peg (JW) into the hole he is supposed to fill.
JD is close to being a .400 hitter with power again. I think it was Marty that said something about his walk yesterday. I also saw it as a turning point in his slump. It was a quality at bat and even though it ended up in being a slow trot to first it was a significant turn of events for JD.
I was stunned when Brad didn’t PR for Victor when he was plunked.
Hope Ian is OK. Judging by the way he handled a subsequent potential DP ball, I wonder.

I would not mind seeing Jones at 3rd on Tuesday. Hopefully Ian is OK but if not why not Machado at 2nd?

I Always liked the way Ricky P threw the baseball. Thought it was a mistake to let him go. Be cool if he wins the CY

Hey Dan, just thinking of Porcello. He was one of my fav’s. He is still so young. Too many trades these days. Draft picks and minor leagues. –Dave

Porcello–>Cespedes–>Fulmer. who would you rather have for the next 5 seasons, Porcello or Fulmer?

Fenech
There is a psychology to hitting and where you’re hitting in the lineup,” Ausmus said. “There’s definitely something.”
The numbers show J.D. Martinez is best hitting fifth.
“And I do think he is very comfortable there,” Ausmus said.

Kinda like you groom a young arm up thru the farm system with an eye on him to be a major factor in the rotation and then you let him go still relatively young, simply because he is getting close to free agency.

As to today and the rest of the schedule it appears as though the Tigers simply MUST win EVERY series the rest of the way and sweep at least one of them.

Also guys like Victor and McCann have to step it up and become credible factors in the lineup.
Victor has more Ks than hits this month and has grounded into 4 crushing double plays.
McCann has been swinging at bad pitches at bad times and is starting to press defensively.
It will be interesting to see who plays like a clutch playoff type performer the rest of the way.

And the Line-up? Why not move JD to 2nd and drop Maybin? Maybin has been pretty much unable to move runners lately and JD batting in front of Miggy means they can’t pitch around him like they obviously do with Maybin.
Maybe Upton being promoted to 5th lights his jets for the final 13 games.

This is where there is a disconnect between fans’ thinking and a managers’ thinking. I don’t believe managers like to tinker much with the batting order during the stretch run. I think it is one of their ways of taking some pressure off the players. Also, when a guy is hitting well in one spot, as Upton and JMartinez have recently, a manager is reluctant to move him. Both Upton and JMartinez hit 2nd earlier in season and were much less productive there.

the pregame mystery today is whether Kinsler is in the lineup, or gets at least another day to shake off the cobwebs from the Bauer beaning

Another meaningless stat…as a team, Tigers are 2nd in AL with 11 ejections this season. Toronto has had 17. Ausmus 3 times. No Tiger player more than once. Clint Hurdle leads managers with 6. No organ players have been ejected this season…yet.

Very true Woody but not sure it had to be an either or. Though DD did make the best of it and it was a decent outcome with Alex being a bonus.
Also, the lineup change thing is understandably a complicated issue. I do know that anything but a radical change will likely result in the same outcomes and the disappointments that we have experienced all season.

13-0 they are definitely in.
12-1 most likely in.
11-2 still a very good chance.
10-3 might be good enough to tie and induce game 163
9-4 outside chance to tie for 2nd WC again game 163
8-5 very likely not good enough unless everyone else plays .500. Ain’t happening

There are just too many teams in the WC race. Tigers realistically need to win 10.

Regarding changing up batting order, while there are logical changes that might work, at this point changing batters’ routines could have undesirable effect. Baseball is such a head game. Maybin just needs to take advantage of the knowledge that they have to pitch to him. Seems like lately he’s been hesitant to trust this and swing at the good pitches he’s offered. As number 2 hitter he has to have command of zone. That’s the Camron that helped get this team back in the race.

I’ll take that, but I’d rather JD getting another at bat in the 9th inning rather than Cam

Good thoughts being put forth today. All I can add to the lineup discussion is that there would have to be a lineup change in case of injury. And it appears Victor is injured.
It would help if Cleveland had clinched before the 4-game series next week but that would mean the Tigers had failed. Not sure how much the battle tested Royals are into just being spoilers. The Twins seem to thrive on it.

Fulmer , so fa,r has replaced Porcello nicely. And one year ago, Porcello ´s contracts was one of the reasons to fire Ben Cherington

Neither Kinsler nor Victor in the lineup

Saltalamacchia is Boyd´s personal catcher . So McCann , 263.331.518.848 vs LHP is the DH

Oh my. Salty AND James in the lineup AND a lesser hitter for Kinsler?
Boyd may have to throw a 3-hitter, or better.

Boyd (not exactly Whitey Ford or Sandy Koufax) gets to have the luxury of a personal catcher at the expense of a n inconsistent, impotent offense (not to mention defense) at this time of the year?
Salty is worse batting RH than LH for crying out loud. His strike out rate is damn near 40% against southpaws.
Brad needs his head examined.

Not a luxury but a seasoned tutor.
All the LH has bad numbers with McCann.

have

Yeah right. Who do you think this guy is? Yadier? Pudge? Karkovice?
The team needs to put runs on the board. This lineup has both the top and the bottom with struggling hitters. Actually 4 in a row.
I hope I have some salt(y) to put on my crow–but I doubt it very much.

No, just better than McCant

There is one major difference of opinion amigo

Kathy
Yan Gomes? that happened last season and the guilty part was Rajai Davis. If so, Bauer is even worse that he looks right now
Kinsler could be out for the mandatory 7 days

McCann sealed the deal.
Great game by Boyd and I reluctantly accept Salty’s effort. Eating crow is something I have done before.
Miggy showed something that hopefully is transmorative.

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