Monday’s lineups: Tigers vs. Twins

None of the Tigers’ third base options have particularly good numbers against Ervin Santana (JaCoby Jones has no numbers against him, obviously), so Andrew Romine gets the start at third base. Otherwise, it’s a fairly regular lineup on Detroit’s side — including Miguel Cabrera, who will try to rebound from his 0-for-9 series against Baltimore by building on his .375 (18-for-48) average against Minnesota this season.

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tigerslogoTIGERS (career numbers off Santana)

  1. Ian Kinsler, 2B (22-for-68, 6 doubles, triple, 2 HR, 5 walks, 5 K’s)
  2. Cameron Maybin, CF (1-for-6)
  3. Miguel Cabrera, 1B (7-for-25, HR, 5 walks, 5 K’s)
  4. Victor Martinez, DH (10-for-34, 2 HR, walk, 4 K’s)
  5. J.D. Martinez, RF (2-for-12, HR, 4 K’s)
  6. Justin Upton, LF (2-for-8, double, walk, 2 K’s)
  7. James McCann, C (0-for-6, K)
  8. Andrew Romine, 3B (2-for-13, double, walk, 5 K’s)
  9. Jose Iglesias, SS (1-for-4, K)

P: Daniel Norris

twinslogoTWINS (numbers vs. Norris)

  1. Brian Dozier, 2B (1-for-5, double, 2 K’s)
  2. Robbie Grossman, DH (2-for-3)
  3. Miguel Sano, 3B (1-for-4, double, K)
  4. Kennys Vargas, 1B
  5. Kurt Suzuki, C
  6. Max Kepler, RF (0-for-3)
  7. Eduardo Escobar, SS (2-for-4)
  8. Eddie Rosario, LF (1-for-1, HR)
  9. Byron Buxton, CF

P: Ervin Santana


The Tigers should be very careful with Nick Castellanos. Right now he almost a perfect player to have on next year’s roster.
Young, improving, power, controllable, fan favourite, etc.
I guess what I am saying is should they risk complicating his rehab if they are out of the race?
On top of that he will be a huge question mark as to contribution given his time off.

Looking forward to watching Daniel tonight.

If they played like they have for the last week….well I wouldn’t expect much. Middle of the lineup has to start contributing. Especially 3-4 have disappeared

4 had a single.5 failed

4: 6 for last 20

4 has 2 rbi in his last 15 games……you really think that is good enough…..5 has 8 rbi ……

The stellar C 222/276/638

Stellar catcher isnt making $14,000,000 per year and sole responsibility is to hit. The catcher makes $507,500 and also has to play in the field

I wish we had a power hitter like Dozier and he drives in runs….he’s way better than anything we have

Zimmermann 1.19 HR/9. Norris 1.13

5 left 2 on

4 has left everyone on base except 1 for more than 2 weeks….1 solo shot and drove one other person in ….15 games He’s been awesome batting .176 in September…..

Aníbal 1.58 HR/9. Norris 1.48 ( second highest for Tigers starters)

Collins in and I would think it would be a good opportunity to have subbed with Moya.
Actually Moya might have been able to come down with Suzuki’s homer.
Moya has so much more power (Which you have just lost from your lineup)than Collins and if you are worried about defense then you still have Collins on the bench for the end.

Ya Santanas splits are really close.

MCCANN looks lost at the plate(batting)….can Romine catch?

Santana seems to really be fooling the RHB

Where are the power bats?

Upton has 6 homers in last 15…..maybe 1 jd hasn’t really hit for a lot of power lately …but is still most consistent hitter

To me a guy like Collins when he is playing the best he can possibly play he becomes an average baseball player.

Daniel has had enough (2 outs in the 6th)

Norris out pitching Santana. Twins out hitting Tigers. Result 2-1 Twins. Agree Dan.

Wow these tiger’s bats are driving me to drink…….
Chargois with his 6+ era too much for these bums too

They are taking a gamble throwing Daniel here in the 7th.
Hope it works out

OK, Brad is doing the right thing .
Hopefully Greene is also the “right” thing.
It has to be frustrating to be a starting pitcher on this ball team.

Can we change the script? First Tiger hits a HR then whole team goes to sleep. Another QS for the 3 rookie starters but he will not get the win even if they win. 😦

Can the BP get 6 outs without allowing a run?

Two absolutely beautiful slides! The little guys are doing it tonight. Sluggers not so much.

Bottom of the order and Kinsler coming through….finally

Twins with 2 on. Not good. Not good.

Hopefully allowing Greene to walk 2 doesn’t bite the tiger’s in the butt. I don’t understand not pulling him after 1st one

About time Miggy

4-2. Can I breathe yet?

OK. Now the sluggers come through. They say crow tastes a lot like chicken. I’ll judge a crow by what he eats. Could have pinch hit for Collins there. Twins probably would have countered. Collins needed for defense I guess but sure could have used the 5th run. Not this time. On to 9th.

Whew, that was a heart stopping 9th.

Whew! Another close one. These crow poppers sure taste swell. I like tonight’s infield for the game ball.

40th comeback W

Good job driving up Santana’s pitch count. After that, it’s a matter of finding the Twins reliever that doesn’t have it.
Two more words:
Andrew. Romine.
(drops mic)

Illinoifan, you can breathe now.

No crow……Miguel to a certain extent and VMart quite a bit have had extended periods of not showing up. I really think it would help miggy see more pitches because VMart just isn’t protecting him like he was in other years. Victor was doing well first few months and has been up and down since….to now hitting .178 in September…. is he hurt again or worn out I don’t know but he’s striking out more than usual…(for him anyway)

Yeah Rich. No need for Brad to complicate this. 3rd base. 8th spot. Done.

We all thought our problem was starting pitching post All Star. Amazingly, it has shown up routinely, and the hitting has rolled into the sewer. I was hoping Daniel would be rewarded for his great start; then I was hoping we would win:
1. 8-9, especially 8 prove to be the real heroes in the game.
2. Norris’ fastball was really effective tonight; everything was good.
3.Another game which we never were out of, and finally sealed the deal in the 7th.
Kudos to Daniel, Ian, Andrew, and Iggy; props to Miggy for the insurance run. Hope he’s going to break out big time. Shane couldn’t throw strikes; Rondon or Frankie weren’t much better, but Mr. Closer got her done. Need a cupcake game tomorrow night to regain our sanity.

Mostly a good night. Disappointed that Norris can’t get a win after a QS. Baltimore, KC, Yankees all lose in wild card race and Cleveland also losing.

That would be interesting info. How many QS have Norris, Boyd and Fulmer not gotten a win.

Much needed win so no need for me to complain . Frankie had me on the edge in the ninth inning. Nice to see Miggy tack On that insurance run.
Feels better than yesterday !

Romine is a master of perfecting the “little” things. How many times can Brad look at the kinds of things he does that lead to success without applying it to his general philosophy. That is the definition of “small ball” and it is an important component of winning. If it works for Andrew then why not expect some of your other players to try to incorporate it into their game?

Great Tiger win and I was listening to Dan and Jim. Mr. Price is the eternal optimist. Mr. Dickerson gets so excited. A close second to Ernie. Go Tigers!

Andrew plays with mental discipline and a high level of field and game awareness. Always mentally in the game. Miguel has the same baseball mind PLUS God given talents out of this world. The internal part of their game is the same. Is leading by example teachable? Have to give Jose huge recognition for how he played when the game was on the line last night. The hit and then sacrificing his body on the slide; scary. He has really matured. The mental level these guys play at is amazing really. Hope Upton is OK. He has perfected the “No Homer” defense.

40th comeback win. They kill opposite BPs

Norris 3 QS 1 W 2 ND
Boyd 5 QS 3 W 1 L 1ND
Fulmer 1 4 QS 9 W 2 L 3 ND . 3 times allowed 2 in 7 or 8 and 2 ND , 1 L. Allowed 1 in 7 , L

The Tigers score tons of R in the 6 , 7 and 8
Third in R , 7th or later. First in OPS. First in HR

Victor 13 HR , 7th or later. Miguel 11. JD 10.

These guys are toying with our emotions, keeping themselves just within reach of October baseball – guess we will see. If nothing else they are making it interesting right now!

QS and records on 3 young pitchers look like they’ve gotten what they deserve. El T, I imagine you could come up with a SP pitch count per innings pitched vs Tigers this year compared to past. Then average number of innings pitched per opposing starter.They seem to be driving the pitch counts up earlier than years in recent past. Getting into opposing BPs earlier. Then the 40 comeback wins. All related. Your numbers show that. I’m always paying close attention to the count. Sometimes to a distracting fault. Santana was wild, I guess by design last night. He must be deceptive because the Tigers could have driven his count up even faster but helped him by flailing at some awful pitches. The umpire gave him a couple at critical moments though. MCCann’s AB comes to mind.

Only this: 3.86 pitches /AB in 2016 3.84 in 2015

for all pitchers. BR gives the PA for SP and RP but the numbers don’t add to 162

I hear you Marty and Iggy taking 3rd on the throw home was also a heady play and, as it turned out, a crucial one.
Someone else also mentioned this, why not just keep Romine at 3rd?
True enough, he may not play up on a regular basis but he makes more sense than the other 3 that can play there.

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