Tuesday’s lineups (updated): Tigers at Indians

What was a familiar Tigers lineup against Carlos Carrasco became a little jumbled when Nick Castellanos was scratched with flu-like symptoms. Former Indian Mike Aviles gets the start at third base, batting seventh, while Justin Upton and Steven Moya move up in the batting order.

Indians, meanwhile, shuffle a bit, moving Carlos Santana back to the leadoff spot and Yan Gomes to ninth.

tigerhitterlogoTIGERS (career vs. Carrasco)

  1. Ian Kinsler, 2B (7-for-30, 3 doubles, walk, 6 K’s)
  2. Cameron Maybin, CF (1-for-4, double, K)
  3. Miguel Cabrera, 1B (10-for-28, double, HR, 3 walks, 7 K’s)
  4. Victor Martinez, DH (6-for-26, 2 doubles, walk, 2 K’s)
  5. Justin Upton, LF (1-for-6, HR, 2 K’s)
  6. Steven Moya, RF
  7. Mike Aviles, 3B (3-for-13, double, HR, K)
  8. James McCann, C (0-for-8, 4 K’s)
  9. Jose Iglesias, SS (4-for-11, double, walk, 3 K’s)

P: Anibal Sanchez

clevelandblueslogoINDIANS (career numbers off Sanchez)

  1. Carlos Santana, DH (7-for-25, double, triple, HR, 5 walks, 6 K’s)
  2. Jason Kipnis, 2B (5-for-30, double, walk, 9 K’s)
  3. Francisco Lindor, SS (2-for-6, double, walk)
  4. Mike Napoli, 1B (6-for-15, 2 doubles, 2 HR, 4 walks, 5 K’s)
  5. Jose Ramirez, 3B (1-for-4)
  6. Lonnie Chisenhall, RF (6-for-22, triple, walk, 4 K’s)
  7. Rajai Davis, LF (4-for-15, 2 doubles, walk, 5 K’s)
  8. Tyler Naquin, CF (1-for-6, double, 3 K’s)
  9. Yan Gomes, C (7-for-16, double, triple, 2 HR, walk, 3 K’s)

P: Carlos Carrasco



If you look at the “career vs” numbers against any Cleveland starter, it’s become pretty clear why the domination. The Tigers had been squeaking out wins but no longer.

Salty needs to play more…Upton needs to step up… more!

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Love the photo, Jason.

Now no Castellanos. What next? Is this just going to be Cleveland’s year?

Geez……what’s next?

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It will be a miracle if we pull this out tonight

They’re really making Carrasco work, huh?

The stat they just mention tells the story against Cleveland batting .219 with 1 RBI n all the games for Cabrera with Vmart not much better

Some teams take advantage of opportunities some teams dont…..

Some pitchers throw meatballs right over the plate some pitchers don’t.

It doesn’t matter what pitcher is going they don’t crap away their opportunities

Weak arms or are they playing too deep?

Good question…I mean there is no way a Napoli should be able to go 1st -3rd on a ball hit like that.

No strategy…how about moving guys over…no nothin’ what a boring piece of
managing..Indians playing smart and aggressively…

ARGH! Can’t pitch can’t hit….. And the big bopper look really bad.

…Moya,Moya,Moya…the indians don’t need any help….

Moya is a disaster unless he’s hitting a homer otherwise he’s useless


can you imagine if the Indians played all their games against the Tigers?
How does Tigers recover from these games? What a revolting developement.
If the Tigers can’t beat the Indians, it makes the rest of the season meaningless…

Doesn’t matter if Miguel gets lucked out (which is still incredibly selfish) but he doesn’t do crap against Indians or any good pitching for that matter.

Brad hardly got mad.

Leland would have gone insane out there.

Jimmy smokes still might be out there .

Sanchez actually makes Pelfry look good by comparison. He has at least produced 4 Quality Starts and given the Tigers a chance to win in those games, whereas Sanchez has only 1. Otherwise, Sanchez has pretty much been best at walking hitters and giving up home runs.

Horrible umpiring both last night and tonight!! No excuses for the poor execution from the Tigers on both sides of the ball but aren’t these guys professionals. It was clear that that ball hit Miggy in the leg. Confident that Fulmer can stop the bleeding tomorrow.

Horrible umpiring both last night and tonight!! No excuses for the poor execution from the Tigers on both sides of the ball but sure is frustrating watching the incompetence. Confident that Fulmer can stop the bleeding tomorrow.

No idea why that posted twice. Sorry.

Totally agree Kathy, Leyland would have had Miggy’s back.

Other teams catch that Napoli hit our outfielders can’t catch a ball. Outfielders are pathetic

Ya know I’ve heard Rod and or Mario say it a few times about how they are ” pitching Miguel in with good hard fastballs” which is a big reason why they are having their way with us. WELL if Miguel is such a great hitter isn’t it up to him to try to adjust instead of continuing to just rot in mediocrity and just expect things to change. Be the well paid superstar your paid to be.
I’m serious he’s got to get his head out of his behind if we expect things to changensure.

Miggy has adjusted. Check at how open his front side is now. The problem is he isn’t executing. Some of the pitches that are outside that he would normally go to RF on are being hooked into grounders to the left side.

.211 with 1 rib in 11 games…..

Miguel 907 OPS 7th in the AL. Selected by players and managers to the ASG.

33 in average
21 in homeruns
33 in rbi
20 in obp
28 in slg
18 in ops
17 in hits
He’s a no doubters hall of famer but you cannot convince me he’s doing his job this year.

Batting .212 against Indians with 1 rbi in 11 games. He’s not performing like an allstar this year.

He got picked for his name not for his actual production this year
He’s no more deserving than Upton

I really don’t take the All-star game serious anymore .

I usually defend Miggy, but he has been going thru a rough patch, for him, over the last 30. Of the 11 qualified 1Bs from only the AL, his OPS ranks 5th and his BA 7th.

Dan & Jim: in 11 games vs Indians, the Tiger pitching staff have a 9.73 ERA.

Finally had to turn it off in the fifth; it is a laughing stock team that starts each game against Cleveland, saying tonight is the night. They now are in our head. Their pitching stifles our hitters; pure and simple. Then when you add the clown activites into the mix, you get blowouts every night, Just sick to my gut with this level of competition. I am in awe of Miggy, but throw any stat at me you want to, and I say, he’s having a down year. In the past, he was Mr. Dependable; against the Indians, he has been Mr. K and Mr. GIDP. With all due respect El Tigre, I know the guy is first ballot HOF, but analytics are not giving the true picture. This team operates with Miggy as its heartbeat. On nights, when he is in AFIB, we really struggle. I know we’ve won several without him, but his success is our success.
1. We came out of the first tied.
2. Upton gets 50% of the hits.
3. No one else was injured.
No kudos! We are done; I don’t care what our record against the rest of the league is.
You can’t lose Julio, Daniel, Jordon, and replace them with minor league talent, and expect the same performance level; We play Moya now; love his power, but his glove is bush league. So he puts Sanchez in a hole, and Anabal gets no pass here; he has lost what he had as a solid MLB Starter. Salty should have started at the 2. The rightys were overwlelmed by Carrasco. Again, a flaw with the team. Most teams in the AL can throw 4-5 lefty’s against our guys all the time. We have Victor and Moya most nights against their righty. Just a mess; As I said last week, I’d rather end up 70-90 and get a decent draft pick than 83-79, and get nothing but reanalysis of what went wrong.
In conclusion:
1. I love Miggy; I am a huge fan.
2. My heart breaks for Anabal; it’s a sad commentary.
3. The BP failures amaze me; it’s like a curse reserved for the Tigers.
4. Our outfield defense might be the worst in the AL. RF with Aviles and Moya has really taken a nosedive(defensively).
5. Tomorrow brings another day, and we will beat Cleveland. Go Fulmer.
I apologize for the insignificant rant.

I enjoyed the rant, well said..

Love your rants Greg, I enjoy all of your post game comments.

I realize it’s frustrating, terribly frustrating to watch, but the Tigers aren’t as bad a team as they’ve appeared to be when they play Cleveland. They’re playing .603 ball against everyone else and are in the middle of the wild card race, but right now are forced into using guys who really shouldn’t be on the team.
That said, I’m not real thrilled with Avila’s offseason decisions but we’re stuck with it now and have to make the best of it.

This is a heart-breaking team. Great fans (many of them right here on this BLOG), who give them their very heart and soul.
But it is a bad team in the simple fact that it cannot sustain success. In the fact it is perpetually on the verge of a disastrous losing streak the very first game after a win streak,. In that once they lose they start playing poorly. This has been a trademark for quite some time now.
In that they made some very ill-conceived FA decisions and keep the mistaken belief that it is OK to LOSE your No 1 starters to other teams. (Max and Price) and try to stay competitive by thinking Justin will be a #1 as long as his contract.
Not much to do now but return Greene to the rotation, get rid of Sanchie, and bring Jiminez in to at least benefit from MLB experience.
Lowe is another one who is finished. Brief snippets of a few strikes or outs are not the same thing as having a 97 heater that can consistently get hitters out.
Alex Wilson will never be anything more than a bonus in the Porcello trade. Valiant effort but average pitcher.
I fully admit Moya is out of his depth at this level at this time. But he will not get better in Toledo.
Greg hit a lot of nail heads tonight. This losing attitude they have with Cleveland will not stop at the Michigan Ohio border. It will very likely infect their divisional and league play as well.
Looking for help in the minors? You won’t find any possibilities for the rotation down there. All they really have is Boyd and that is not saying much.

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