Tuesday’s lineups: Tigers vs. Marlins

Steven Moya remains out (Update: Brad Ausmus said Moya being out is more about the matchup than his sore knee). Mike Aviles starts again in right. The Marlins use their DH slot for Giancarlo Stanton, who’s batting .371 (13-for-35) with two homers and eight RBIs over his last nine games. Marcell Ozuna, who missed time over the weekend with a sore left wrist, returns to the lineup in center.


  1. Ian Kinsler, 2B
  2. Cameron Maybin, CF (1-for-3, walk, 2 K’s vs. Adam Conley)
  3. Miguel Cabrera, 1B
  4. Victor Martinez, DH
  5. Nick Castellanos, 3B
  6. Justin Upton, LF
  7. James McCann, C
  8. Mike Aviles, RF
  9. Jose Iglesias, SS

P: Mike Pelfrey

marlins logoMARLINS (career numbers off Pelfrey)

  1. Ichiro Suzuki, RF
  2. Martin Prado, 3B (10-for-22, 6 doubles, HR, 3 walks, 3 K’s)
  3. Christian Yelich, LF
  4. Marcell Ozuna, CF
  5. Giancarlo Stanton, DH (9-for-19, 2 doubles, 2 HR, 4 walks, K)
  6. Justin Bour, 1B
  7. Derek Dietrich, 2B
  8. J.T. Realmuto, C
  9. Adeiny Hechavarria, SS

P: Adam Conley


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Stanton OPS 762 down from 952 in 2015 After Fielder and just above( or below) Harper among biggest drops in OPS . Upton´s drop was around 11th last week

Moya, still sore knee. Still 13 pitchers ,no bench

RE: Moya.
The pitcher is LH

Pitchers in the Pelfrey class ,or were alternatives, are making more money for the same results. Kennedy, Leake, Chen. Iwakuma. Kazmir (of course) .Even Samardzija´s performance has some question marks..Latos was cheaper and it is out

All them have a WAR of 0.6 or less. MP 10 lowest RS in the AL

Leake, the same Starter results as Pelfrey? In fact, Leake has 8 Quality Starts to 3 by Pelfrey; has 5 wins to 1 by Pelfrey; has a .272 BA against to .334 by Pelfrey; has averaged 6.17 I/P per outing to 5.42 by Pelfrey; and has a 1.24 WHIP to 1.70 by Pelfrey.

And as Henning noted in his recent article, entitled “Tigers can’t afford to be patient with Pelfrey,” WHIP is not the whole story, but it’s revealing enough.” …” A guy in deep trouble is 1.70.” “A good pitcher is 1.00 to 1.20. An effective pitcher can be 1.30 or 1.40.”

That’s always been my beef with Mike. He manufactures base runners for his opposing team.

Tigers hitters a complete utter disaster these days…not sure how you can look more pathetic

So many chances wasted then the errors start . Sloppy as Jim Price said . Tigers are digging a hole they might not get out of.

Well Miggy DIDNT come through again kinda use to it……..and the pitcher has a giant out of control strike zone

Wow is this tiger’s defense aweful …..as bad as the hitting

Well Jose…..thought for sure we were going to get shut out again


How sweet that homer was!!!!

Aviles and Upton…I have been chronically complaining about both. And it has been about both their respective offenses and defenses, not to mention their price tags. How long until Moya and JD come to the rescue and the Tigers get something back for Pelfrey, Sanchez and Upton? Upgrades put the team into contention from the ranks of competitive.

Fenech:All but one of Mike Pelfrey’s 13 home runs allowed this season have come at Comerica Park.
Oddly, his 0.6 HR /9 of 2015 was supposed to be replicable thanks to CoPa. the best laid plans..

Cabrera 6th HR in last 13 games


Lots of meaningless solo shots

Nice to see the Fried Fish ! Tigers need to get another tomorrow .

Missed this one. Checked the line. How does a team get out hit 16 to 9, make 3 errors to 0 for other team, and still win 7-5? Timely HR’s? Guess I’ll have to watch archived game.

Luck and maybe they said a lot of prayers !! You gotta watch it .

You know Big Mike was really lucky; take way the DP’s and he’s gone in the third inning. Won the game despite his horrendous WHIP. This old record says, we can’t win with him in the rotation. And you always have to use at least 4 Bulls because he can’t get past the sixth(fifth tonight). I do think he’s a great guy, but so was Mike Maroth. Please bury him in the Pen. Marty stole some of my comments, but they’re worth repeating: your team has struck out 8 times in 12 outs; you have made 3 errors,
your starter has given up 10 hits in four, you’ve been in a bases loaded jam early, you are behind 3-0 going into the bottom of the fifth—–And you score 7 runs on three taters, and hold on to win. Crazy game, this baseball:
1. Casty had 3 solid AB’s, and got his third hit got a hit on the not so solid AB.
2. Iggy’s defense was superlative again. He is a gifted SS.
3. Victor beat the shift twice.
Kudos to Nick, Iggy, even Miggy, and Frankie for finishing it out. The Bulls were just good enough to hold on. Alas, Upton was robbed of a double, while our Mendoza hanger oner didn’t hit the ball three feet. The Tribe has gone wild; Going to take a 7-4
road trip to avoid taking on water. Please, no more Mike in the rotation going forward.

The STOPPER for the Tigers, Pelfrey, stepped up today to gain his second win against only 7 losses. In so doing, he allowed only 12 hits and 4 ER with 1 BB in 5. 1 I/P.

With all due respect, he didn’t step up; he muddled through. Just my opinion.

I only hope yours is an attempt at dry humor and is better than mine.

The ball was really carrying tonight. Iggy’s bomb beyond the bullpen proved that.
Okay, if Sanchez is going back to the pen then I guess Houdini Pelfrey is in the rotation for now. Needless to say, there’s room for improvement. I never thought I’d prefer Brad Penny over anyone. It would be easier if Mike was a jerk or something, but nothing could be further from the truth.

Well if the choices are Sanchez, Pelfrey, or Boyd. I am taking Pelfrey right now.

And I think Conley can be dynamite. The Tigers may have caught him on a development night.

I think they really need to swap Greene and Pelfrey. Pelfrey can be the long guy with a little extra juice on his 4 seamer or the ground ball specialist that gives the infield a chance for a timely DP. As a starter he is failing miserably. He is stressing out the bullpen and has to be demoralizing to the players on the field.

I thought I remember them saying, they want Greene in the BP because of blisters etc. They can control and manage that a bit better. As a starter you need to take the ball every 5 days regardless. But, I agree Greene is much better at getting outs than Pelfrey

The “kill the win!” movement scores one more

Regarding Pelfrey and the BP, Henning made some cogent points. He noted Pelfrey has, in short spurts, pitched decently. He felt a relief role might allow him to maximize any pluses. Henning ended his analysis of Pelfrey with the comment, “But beginning a game, with a team knowing there is precious little chance a pitcher will succeed, is no option at all.”

Read the Henning article. Hit the nail on the head. My argument all along; perception that we will lose; I’m sure team on the field thinks the same thing. He could be an effective 2 inning guy. Jack Morris’ analysis of Mike last night was spot on. He overthinks every bad pitch all through the game. Why? Why punish your team every fifth game with the perception that “Well, Mike’s on the mound. Put this one in the lost column.” David Chadd can defend this signing to his grave, but that perception has become reality way too often.

Of all the “holes” in the 2016 Tigers that could be addressed, acquiring a more dependable starter is probably of the highest priority. But here’s another example of something that gave me an uncomfortable feeling over the winter; Anibal Sanchez. In my mind, he had not demonstrated that he was over his problems at season’s end, but all winter the club insisted he was back to his old self. When the professionals say something, you tend to go along, but the Sanchez situation stuck in my mind all winter.

From their perspective, they had little choice but to say that. He was on contract for a large amount. You can’t trash him and trade him or eat his contract with the payroll the way it is. All you can do is talk positive and hope and pray.

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