Sunday’s lineups: Tigers vs. Indians

Turns out Steven Moya is dealing with a sore knee (sorry, I’m off this weekend, so I wasn’t around for that news). He’s day-to-day. Mike Aviles starts again in right field. Jarrod Saltalamacchia gets the start behind the plate for Justin Verlander, who has a 2.53 ERA in three starts (small sample size alert) with Saltalamacchia as his catcher.

Gameday | TV: Fox Sports Detroit, MLB.TV | Radio: 97.1 FM, MLB Gameday Audio

tigersloseoutroTIGERS (career numbers off Josh Tomlin)

  1. Ian Kinsler, 2B (8-for-20, 2 doubles, HR, walk, K)
  2. Cameron Maybin, CF
  3. Miguel Cabrera, 1B (7-for-18, double, HR, 4 walks, K)
  4. Victor Martinez, DH (3-for-19, double, HR, 3 walks, 2 K’s)
  5. Nick Castellanos, 3B (4-for-17, 2 doubles, 5 K’s)
  6. Justin Upton, LF (2-for-9, double, K)
  7. Jarrod Saltalamacchia, C (4-for-5, double, HR, walk, K)
  8. Mike Aviles, RF (2-for-14, double, HR, walk, 3 K’s)
  9. Jose Iglesias, SS (1-for-4)

P: Justin Verlander

clevelandblueslogoINDIANS (career numbers vs. Verlander)

  1. Carlos Santana, 1B (13-for-58, 2 doubles, 7 HR, 7 walks, 13 K’s)
  2. Michael Martinez, LF (2-for-3, K)
  3. Francisco Lindor, SS (5-for-12, double, triple, HR, walk, K)
  4. Mike Napoli, DH (10-for-34, double, 2 HR, 6 walks, 10 K’s)
  5. Jose Ramirez, 2B (5-for-14, 3 doubles, walk, K)
  6. Lonnie Chisenhall, RF (8-for-34, 3 doubles, 2 walks, 7 K’s)
  7. Yan Gomes, C (9-for-29, 3 doubles, walk, 5 K’s)
  8. Juan Uribe, 3B (3-for-21, double, HR, 2 walks, 6 K’s)
  9. Tyler Naquin, CF (1-for-5, 2 K’s)

P: Josh Tomlin


Better late than never with the player report. But at least there is a reasonable explanation for Aviles starting over Moya, especially against a RHP.

Verlander 5th in WAR AL. Top 3 career numbers in WHIP, K/9, BB/9 , H/9. Only problem, high HR rate

Verlander has regained my trust…..the hitters on the other hand have NEVER shown they can hit Tomlin. Unless there is a rainout were going to lose today.

The top gun players have to step up today . Send the tribe home with a loss . Easier said than done I know .

Get one the hard way. Give one away with a wild pitch.

JV is out of sink. That could sync the Tigers in this game.

TY JV. Those 2 HRs may have just cost the game the way your hitters have taken the weekend off after such a successful series vs Seattle.

Another HR. Goodnight JV. Now 0-9 vs the Indians.

The Cleveland hitters aren’t this good. They’re picking up something and the club will have to figure out what.

You have to be kidding…..

JV just gave up another HR now 6-2, goodbye, goodnight….Napoli hits the ball like a
lumberjack…hits the ball like he knows whats coming… now it’s another HR…WOW.
4 hrs in this inning….nearly 5. This is w/o Kipnis in the lineup. Let Romine pitch.
How does a team recover….just listen to Gibson, he’ very positive……the team plays like he announces…. goodbye, for now..

This has been the most disappointing series of the season for me. I wanted to see them rise up, not roll over. Show some determination Tigers, you still have time to win this one.

The writing is on the wall.

I was worried about Victor but

Was at a graduation party just left looked at the score…..screw em


Per STATS, Verlander became the first Tigers pitcher in history to allow four HR in an inning.

Couldn’t pay me to go to a Tiger’s game right now. Almost intolerable to waste time watching at home. Pitching horrible. Hitting horrible

If they keep playing crappy the attendance will be down . Lets hope they can dust off and play like a major league club. This weekend was hard to watch .

The 3 runs were scored by former Indians

Tigers starters before the game 4-58. KC 5.11

Salty over Wilson was a huge mistake

1. The Old Man with One Leg continues to embarrass his teammates.
2. A three homer night for our guys; alas, a four homer inning for the Tribe.
3. We were actually tied after four.
Props to Victor. Everybody else save for Avila decided to sleep in. You had to feel for JV after the “shock and awe” inning. When I see Cleveland’s lineup, I don’t see 23 runs in a three game series, but by George, they scored 23 runs in a three game set. I’m tired of getting excited over four game winning streaks, followed by a three series slaughter. Is this it for the year? I would rather lose 90 games and get a good draft pick, than to finish 81-81 and get nothing. My wife just told me to shut up or she’d hit me with a shoe. So long for now.

If they want to buy, they have the chips. One of Norris and Boyd to begin with. They wont get value without giving value

NO!!! That is the exact opposite of what they should do. Do not mortgage the future just to try to jam open a locked window. This isn’t a WS contending team so what’s the point? To finish just outside the playoffs instead of way outside of the playoffs and then way outside the playoffs next year? Our front office needs to admit what an awful situation this is. We’re not winning, the core is old and not improving anymore, we have no money, and one of the worst farm systems in baseball. What we don’t need is to make this situation worse.

I think the brass get this, if they were trying to jam open that window. Ausmus would have been replaced in Baltimore a few months ago.

Perfect time for a day off after the Cleveland series. A baseball free day is just what the doctored ordered for my Tribe hangover.

Minus the Cleveland games, the Tigers are 38-29. That’s a .567 win pct good for a 92 win season. I see only one big problem, and it’s in Ohio.

Interesting record sans Cleveland but I think the problem is depth and lineup flow.
Can’t seem to get the big hits from the big guys with any kind of dramatic impact.
This team ALWAYS ends a hot streak with deplorable ball. Go from hot to ice-cold in an instant. As a fan you can never feel comfortable that your team has found a winning attitude that will allow them to be there at the end.
I think it is time to face facts with some of these free agent signings. I say offer up Lowe, Pelfrey and Upton to a team that can use them to fill ahole. The 40 man roster is littered with mediocrity. Gose, Collins and Boyd could fetch something. It may also be time to let Anibal get a change of scenery.

How could Gose or Collins fetch anything other than another missed prospect, or an under performing aging vet that cost too much? We don’t really need any more of those.
I can’t imagine anyone wants to pay Anibal the rest of his salary plus give up any value. What you have is a really expensive bullpen innings filler that takes really long to warm up. Surely, others could do better. He may turn it around and find some outs, but I wouldn’t gamble on that.
Boyd is intriguing, though he’s looked below average to me, the people that get paid to know these things says he has potential. Maybe, we could find a way to develop that potential.

Tigers starters. 4.69. KC 5.04 Cle 3.63 ( second AL)

Verlander 1.8 WAR the market price for that:14.1. then 28.2 MM /year, he will be paid 28. So, his performance payment would be roughly the same
Miguel , so far 12 MM. Lets say 24 for the year.He will be paid 28.
But in 2013 he was worth 59 MM, he was paid 21.
Do you really want performance based salaries?
He should payback 4 MM once they paid him the 38 MM he would be owed for 2014. Well above 100 since he is a Tiger
Same for Verlander

Gose getting better. For the first time in a month , he did not SO during a game. 68 SO in 160 PA

Very impressive Anthony.
It is not simply a matter of getting something for Gose and Collins . Though they are both MLB experienced LHB OFers that can play any OF position. The other consideration is uncluttering the 40 man roster to make room for genuine prospects.
You can also include guys like Nesbitt and Ferrell. Not to mention Molleken, Saupold, Parnell and Farmer. These guys will never make it.

While I completely agree with Iggy as one of (if not the best) of the Tigers’ the last while I will not agree about Upton. He is shaky on defense, completely unreliable at the plate and with an unrealistic contract. Let him go. He will only block player development, restrict salary flexibility and frustrate fans.

Was thinking the same Rich. This team has no answer for Cleveland. They are killing us. The problem is, it is no excuse. They are in our division and 0-9 is unacceptable. While my opinion, as always, changes with the tide, right now I don’t think they have a good enough team to mortgage the future. If 500 again late in July, I guess reload best they can. Time will soon be telling. Some of Dan’s offerings make sense.

There’s no law that says a team has to deal at the deadline, but sitting it out always brings a negative reaction. If it was up to me, I’d push the deadline back to June.
But then again, I’d also do away with defensive shifts that have caused hitters to become homer-happy .230 strikeout machines, along with starting pitchers who are done at 100 pitches. The Game is losing it’s allure. To me.

It’s the $8M Man’s turn on the bump. It would be fun to see him serve as the Stopper for the Tigers.

To think Big Mike is an answer is bats in the Pelfrey. He just doesn’t have it. The Mets knew it and the Twins knew it too.
A re-invention in the bullpen is the only hope for him.
Sorry to hear (it is an indictment on present day baseball) that good, knowledgeable fans (like Rich who is not the only one) are losing interest in the greatest game ever conceived. Our new commissioner has a very important role in the future of this game that has excited and involved the populace for over a century. I hope he takes his job seriously.

By your comment concerning Pelfrey, I hope you don’t believe I think he is the “answer,” particularly given the nature of my many remarks about him since his signing. But, I also “hope” for the best each and every game

Pelfrey strike zone has been reduced 7% this season. 10 pitchers getting a worse SO zone. 4 CWS
Sullivan. Fangraphs

No I don’t Darline. I just personally have thought Pelfrey was a HUGE mistake since the day they signed him.
I would have taken Cespedes over Upton too.

I originally felt and commented Cespedes would have been the preferred acquisition. In hindsight and after comparing the stats for both players,I am even more convinced of that. There really is no comparison between the two. But, I must admit I was initially happy with the Upton deal after the Tigers couldn’t get Cespedes. I’m not so happy now. I expected a roller coaster ride with Upton and have tried to be patient waiting for better performance. With nearly half the season gone and only flashes of his anticipated brilliance… Well, you and many others obviously feel as frustrated as I.

Maybe in his first year at the helm we gave Avila a pass, as in “maybe he knows what he’s doing.” But man I’ll tell ya, I didn’t like the Pelfrey and Upton acquisitions either. As I understand it, David Chadd pushed the Pelfrey deal, having scouted him years ago. They may have reasons for not going Cespedes but I don’t know what they would be.
Of course we’ll be accused of hindsight now.
So here’s a question you can take with humor if you like: if the Tigers sell at the deadline, does Avila get fired?

I don’t think he will. Ausmus may have to pay the price though.
If Illitch does decide that Avila must go then I think he will likely broom the whole staff along with him.

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