Wednesday’s lineups: Tigers vs. Mariners

The good news for Michael Fulmer is that he won’t get to face Nelson Cruz, at least not in the starting lineup. On the flip side, he’ll face seven left-handed batters and a switch-hitter in the Mariners lineup. The one right-handed bat, Dae-Ho Lee, didn’t start the first two games of the series.

On the Detroit side, Steven Moya returns to the Tigers lineup after being off yesterday. Jarrod Saltalamacchia, 4-for-8 for his career off Hisashi Iwakuma, gets the start behind the plate.

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(career numbers off Iwakuma)

  1. Ian Kinsler, 2B (11-for-29, 2 doubles, 3 HR, 2 walks, 6 K’s)
  2. Cameron Maybin, CF
  3. Miguel Cabrera, 1B (3-for-9, HR, walk, 2 K’s)
  4. Victor Martinez, DH (6-for-12, double, 2 HR, 2 walks, K)
  5. Nick Castellanos, 3B (3-for-7, double, HR, walk, 2 K’s)
  6. Justin Upton, LF (1-for-3)
  7. Steven Moya, RF
  8. Jarrod Saltalamacchia, C (4-for-8, double, K)
  9. Jose Iglesias, SS (3-for-10, 3 K’s)

P: Michael Fulmer


  1. Leonys Martin, CF
  2. Seth Smith, RF
  3. Robinson Cano, 2B
  4. Dae-Ho Lee, 1B
  5. Kyle Seager, 3B
  6. Adam Lind, DH
  7. Ketel Marte, SS
  8. Steve Clevinger, C
  9. Nori Aoki, LF

P: Hisashi Iwakuma


Lets hope the pen can keep the 5 -1 lead .

Kyle Ryan total key to that game….

Now, el Kid will be unavailable tomorrow

I doubt they’ll need Frankie tomorrow. A four game sweep?

Moya was going oppo like that in spring training. Impressive.

I agree. He needs to play. Aviles needs to sit No comparison of talent at this stage of their respective careers.

With Cleveland using three RHers this weekend, Moya starts every game or we storm the manager’s office. The only regular who should get a day off is McCann.

Fulmer needs to stay in the rotation. Cutting back his worload ,and not eliminating it now is a good decision if it means his season is extended thru September, which means he won’t go Harvey on the Tigers.I think a pitch limit is worth a try.

I do think Fullmer wasn’t feeling himself tonight; as out of sync as he was, his stuff was still pretty good; agree with the short hook by Brad. If Big Mike could pitch well enough to win, you could get around the innings problem with Fullmer. Sometimes wonder about the pampering; Fidryich had 20+ complete games his rookie season. The opposite argument is that his career didn’t last long, but if I remember correctly, it was a leg problem which finished him up. Today’s prize pitchers get babied for a while until they somehow are ready to throw their whopping total of 180 innings. It’s ironic that the guys who threw 300+ innings per year always seemed to retire without needing TJ Surgery. Oh well, enough on that:
1. The Moya Machine comes alive big time tonight. I might become a believer yet.
2. Scored early and took command of the game from the getgo.
3. Bull Pen was truly perfect; Ryan, again, set the tone. 14-14 up and down.
Kudos to Mig, Ig,, Moya, and RyGreWilRod. Was really impressed with everyone of the four Pigs. They really stood tall tonight. That BP performance is the kind that leads to championships. Sweep time tomorrow, and then we have to find a way to beat the Tribe at least 2-3. Have survived very well so far without Julio. Iggy is up to .258. and JMac should cross Mendoza over the next 4 games.

seems to me that A’s under Billy Martin in the 80s were the last team to really have their starters go the distance as much as possible. several promising pitchers who had short careers presumably because of it. the beginning of the end for that approach to managing a rotation. former TIgers’ pitching coach Jeff Jones was on a few of those A’s teams as a reliever. he could probably tell some interesting stories about Billy Ball.

Mike Norris won 22 games for Billy in 1980, pitched 284 innings, then just another 400+ innings the rest of his MLB career.

also look at Matt Keough, Steve McCatty

Totally agreed about the A´s and Martin. Norris once was pitching the 13th inning. He was really spent and looked at Martin asking to being taken out. Martin left him there until he allowed 7 to punish him,

I am neither impressed by Pelfrey nor by Sanchez (over the last 2 years he has declined demonstrably) In fact, as much as others and I have criticized Pelfrey he has been a better Starter than Sanchez this season. He now throws harder even with his sinker than Sanchez does with his 4-seam FB. Plus, as a Starter, Pelfrey has a greater number of IP/GS (5.43 to 5.1), has a much better ERA (5.9 to 6.67) and has 3 Quality Starts to only 1 by Sanchez.

Correction: that ERA is 5.19 for Pelfrey and 6.67 for Sanchez.

woody, take a look at Spahn. I’m sure you remember his Bosox classic at age 42 when he lost a 1-0 complete game 16-inning match when he threw at least 201 pitches against Marichal (who also had a long-lived career.) And that came after no-hitters when he was respectively 39 and 40. Spahn retired at age 44 and Musial once said he would never get into the HOF because he would never quit pitching (the gist of his remark.).Spahn threw over over 280 innings 9 times and over 300 on multiple occasions. His only seasons off (3) were due to military duty as a youngster, as far as I know. My point here is there are players at both ends of the spectrum ( no need to reference Paige as a further example, but his is an interesting case study.) There are enough velocity and failure-to-adjust and premature development emphasis theories without adding my limited ideas to the bunch.

Warren Spahn ended his career before I was born. am not really interested in debating whether a modern day pitcher could do what the most durable starters did decades ago. it is a pointless discussion due to the quality of bullpen arms now available in the game, the money that is invested in the best starting pitchers, the 5 man rotation, and the influence that sports player agents have on teams. no MLB pitcher has thrown 300 IP since Steve Carlton in 1980.

And as far as Moya’s defense goes, I thought he did a very decent job on Lind’s ball to the Tiger Triangle. Aviles does not make that play in my opinion. Not enuff speed, prone to poor routes and probably can’t make the stretch.

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