Tuesday’s lineups: Tigers (with McCann) at Indians

James McCann returns from the 15-day DL and immediately returns to the lineup, getting back behind the plate for Justin Verlander’s outing. He’s likely to get the majority of the starts at catcher, with Jarrod Saltalamacchia starting against tough right-handers and serving as a power bat off the bench.

The Indians added Michael Brantley back to their lineup shortly after they left Detroit. He joins a batting order that features Verlander nemesis Carlos Santana at leadoff.

TIGERS (career numbers off Josh Tomlin)

  1. Ian Kinsler, 2B (6-for-17, 2 doubles, walk, K)
  2. J.D. Martinez, RF (3-for-11, double, 2 walks, 2 K’s)
  3. Miguel Cabrera, 1B (5-for-15, double, HR, 4 walks, K)
  4. Victor Martinez, DH (2-for-16, double, HR, 3 walks, 2 K’s)
  5. Justin Upton, LF (1-for-6, double, K)
  6. Nick Castellanos, 3B (3-for-14, 2 doubles, 5 K’s)
  7. James McCann, C
  8. Anthony Gose, CF (1-for-4, 2 K’s)
  9. Jose Iglesias, SS (0-for-2)

P: Justin Verlander

INDIANS (career numbers off Verlander)

  1. Carlos Santana, DH (13-for-56, 2 doubles,  7 HR, 6 walks, 13 K’s)
  2. Jason Kipnis, 2B (4-for-45, double, 7 walks, 14 K’s)
  3. Francisco Lindor, SS (2-for-9, triple, walk, K)
  4. Michael Brantley, LF (18-for-62, double, triple, 3 walks, 7 K’s)
  5. Mike Napoli, 1B (9-for-32, 2 HR, 5 walks, 10 K’s)
  6. Yan Gomes, C (8-for-26, 3 doubles, walk, 5 K’s)
  7. Marlon Byrd, RF (6-for-13, HR, 2 walks, 2 K’s)
  8. Jose Ramirez, 3B (4-for-12, 3 doubles, walk, K)
  9. Tyler Naquin, CF (1-for-3, K)

P: Josh Tomlin


They’ve got the drum going already!

Great job Justin…really thought based on last year (end of last year) he was going to be a good pitcher again. We are 29 pitches and 3 runs into the first and still not out of it. Apparently the Cleveland Indians only need Detroit Tigers to come in to straighten themselves out.

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People almost up in arms over Pelfry…..well Verlander is worse.

Head first by the injury prone player.

Since going 2 for 3 in 1st game in No. 2 hole, JD Martinez is 3 for 19 with 5 Ks

Get Verlanders incompetent overpaid butt out of there

VerHagen has allowed 83% of IR to score

Who cares?

He needs clean innings. He is a grounder pitcher.

Ace he is not!! Cannot start strong and is not capable of fooling these batters.
I don’t look forward to any of JV’s starts now.

Paying any pitcher much more than $100m is always too high a risk invariably involving a 6 or 7 year stretch past their prime.

This will be Verlander’s interview I can hear it now

“We’ll I felt pretty good..just made a few mistakes and they hit ’em. ” We’re working on a few things…..blah blah blah blah blah

It is just fair that the team that blew his arm up pays for it.

Maybe, though I think it was the All star game a few years back where Fielder was encouraging him to throw 100+ mph.

Moya 4 x 4 so far tonight with 2 dingers. Christin Stewart another homer for Lakeland.
Lot pf LHB power in the minors.
Blaine Hardly is in to pitch now. He is not a MLB caliber relief pitcher.
We have gone through a litany of mediocre LHP here in Detroit. Ledezma, Seay, Ni, Schlereth, and many others.

Could we play Upton in CF and bring Moya up? That might be interesting.

Maybe tomorrow Tiger fans……..

Well I watched the post game ….just to hear Justin…got a lot of it right just didn’t see that change into long sleeves comment coming. That’s a new excuse. Lol

JV’s due $28MM/yr for the next 4 years with a $22mm option for 2020, Mr. I can you say heartburn? He’s way too predictable and many batters know his “arsenal” too well. Well he’s 2-3 with a 6.49 ERA after tonight. Can they go 0-18 against the Tribe this year?

The comment about Julio in the Two seems real; and Upton seems to have found life at five. JV has lost a legitimate out pitch; he has been burned by hitters with two strikes all season long. His runs allowed after two strikes and two outs is atrocious, I’m sure. I sure hope he finds the answer soon; i’d hate to pay a pitcher 20+M pitcher for a 5 + ERA, and 7 wins.
1. Nick has solid AB’s again.
2. The Pen keeps doing a good job.
3. Miggy’s 9 pitch AB.
Kudos to J-UP, Nick, and Old Faithful, AKA, Ian Kinsler.
I know it’s early for JMac, but he sure looks rusty at the plate. Can Anabal walk 9 and win the game tomorrow?

Thanks for continuing the 3 good things – I feel at times this forum is turning more and more negative which has me partaking less and less so I always like to find your posts. I am not trying to bury my head in the sand but also can’t handle complaining about stuff I can’t control. Go get em today boys – I hate to see the Tribe become what the Royals were to us a few years ago.

Avila on Pelfrey
“All we need him to do is be a solid fifth starter and go five, five and two-thirds and every once in a while go six.”

Avila’s comment is fine, except Pelfrey is the #4 starter on the Tigers depth chart and #5 belongs to one of the young guys who competed all ST for the job.

Well if you consider era Pelfry is the second best pitcher and Verlander is the worst.

Zimmerman 33 innings .55 era
Fulmer 5 innings 3.6 era
Pelfry 25.1 innings 5.68
Sanchez 23.2 innings 6.08
Greene 14.1 innings 6.28
Verlander 34.2 innings 6.49 era

I realize that is cherry picking but none of them have been good.

The real problem is not that Pelfry is a 4 or 5 starter is that other than Zimmerman we have a team of pitchers who would be cut or sent to the minors. Overpaid underachieving garbage. (I’m not including Fulmer only time will tell on that) very disappointed and seriously tired of the excuses.

Actually, your point about Pelfrey being cut loose was made by Morris and the Twins broadcast crew. They said his velocity and late movement remain intriguing, but at his age most pitchers are released given his results over the last several years, rather than given big contracts and treated like prospects. They also noted that of Pelfrey’s saving graces are his clubhouse demeanor and his likeableness.

And Pelfrey is the #4. Compare his results to what Fister delivered from that slot.

Fister was great my point is that we have a rotation of #5’S.And that if you go by Era our intended 5 has been better than 2-3 -4 starter. They all stink…but I guarantee you if Sanchez and Verlander weren’t pitching worse than minor leaguers people wouldn’t be focusing their vitriol on Pelfry when he is actually better at preventing runs so far

Great point about Verlander and Sanchez GK. You’d expect Greene and Fulmer to be inconsistent. You expect Pelfrey to be consistently about a 4-5 era (so he could be a bit better). What you don’t expect is Verlander and Sanchez to have 6+ ERAs, they should be in the 2s and 3s.
Unfortunately, I am not sure there is much to be done. Whether or not we like it as fans we are stuck with Verlander for quite some time. At 28MM a season there is not much to be done for the next 4 years. Unless he can turn it around like last season its going to be a long 4 years. Sanchez we are stuck with through 2017 as well at 16MM per season. We as fans need to support them and hope they start performing well because they aren’t going anywhere.

About the only apologists I read for Pelfrey are on this blog. Most writers who have done recent articles on Pelfrey and have analyzed his performance, such as Henning and Mensching, are pretty much on the same page I have been reading for quite a while.

And heck, if you want a #5 comparison, take Simon from last season. He led the Tigers in wins (13) and innings pitched and cost $5.5M as opposed to the $16M Pelfrey milked from the Tigers

Also, if you go back a few days and read Henning’s article, he laid out WHIP stats pretty well and explained their significance in layman terms. By WHIP standards, Pelfrey shouldn’t be in MLB. Kinda the same position Morris took in the Twins broadcast.

apologist. : a person who defends or supports something (such as a religion, cause, or organization) that is being criticized or attacked by other people.
In regard to Pelfrey, I haven’t found anyone anywhere who fits that definition.

I disagree. Pelfrey has been criticized about his performance. Plenty. .But, several commentors have expressed their implied belief he has been a victim. For instance, you, Gk and TigersFan have all noted several times that he gets little run support and his defense has failed him. Just what does that have to do with his pitching performance? Those are 2 separate issues. And today, Gk even made an argument based on ERA that Pelfrey is our second best starter. Plus ElT has posted stats several times a few months ago that Pelfrey. was not a bad sign. Frankly, I see it like Morris, Mensching and Henning. My only hope is he gets better in a hurry. The Tigers will give him some room to do so due to his contract. If he performs it benefits both Pelfrey and the Tigers.

I was stating a fact. He got zero runs for the entire month of April. You misread me. I think Pelfrey sucks, to be honest. I try not to go negative on here, but that’s what I think of the Pelfrey signing.

I agree with Rich, Pelfrey has not been good. Was a gamble to sign him and it looks like they lost. Hopefully, it turns around.
But, the fact still remains he had 0 run support in April. Also, to GK’s points while he hasn’t been a positive to the team so far. Other’s are missing expectations more than him.
If a ship is taking on water, you don’t start by fixing the inconsequential holes. But, as I noted. You aren’t going to fix Verlander or Sanchez. You can only hope they perform better. Writing and saying negative things about them or Pelfrey won’t fix it.

Nothing we say here can fix anything, be it positive or negative but it is a great forum to air our opinions.
I will air mine out to this point in the season:
Brad Ausmus: Where is small ball? Where is manufacturing a run when you absolutely need it? Why is the team fundamentally unsound?
Anthony Gose: Why are you not improving? Where are your base-running instincts?
Mike Pelfrey: Who is your agent? He/She has to be the slickest ticket in the industry.
Justin Verlander: Time (next year, anyway) to think about becoming a Smoltz?
Justin Upton: Don’t worry—be happy. You’ll be fine in the #5 slot.
Nick: Keep swinging. Keep your confidence rising it is making you a much better ballplayer.
Joe Church: Try hitting the ball in the air sometimes.
Ian Kinsler: Get you vacation planned for San Diego in July
Miggy: C’mon Miggy. You can do better. You always have.
Victor: Can I have your 1st baseman’s mitt? You won’t be using it this year. Kudos to you on your rehab and your professional approach.
JD: Relax.
James McCann: Ditto
Al Avila: Forget about Bruce Rondon–give him to DD.
KRod: Just get us through this year until Joe Jiminez takes over

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