Friday’s lineups: Tigers vs. Indians

Second consecutive start in center for Tyler Collins. Statistically, there’s no matchup difference against Josh Tomlin, and Gose appears to be fine healthwise, so for now it appears Collins is getting a little run while Gose takes a step back.

“I don’t think it hurts sometimes to have a longer break than one game,” Brad Ausmus said.

Keep an eye on Miguel Cabrera, who had a busy afternoon doing agility drills and running steps before taking early batting practice off Brad Ausmus. The Cleveland on the front of the jersey should be a welcome sight for Cabrera, who pummeled its pitching for five homers and 17 RBIs in 17 games last season, batting .418 (28-for-67). However, Cabrera is 8-for-43 with three extra-base hits (doubles) in his last 11 games, and his struggles to drive the ball have been pronounced. He had similar April struggles two years ago (.277 average, .735 OPS in April) and bounced back with authority (.380 average, 1.126 OPS in May).

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tigerslogoTIGERS (career numbers vs. Tomlin)

  1. Ian Kinsler, 2B (5-for-14, 2 doubles, walk)
  2. Justin Upton, LF (0-for-3)
  3. Miguel Cabrera, 1B (5-for-13, double, HR, 3 walks, K)
  4. Victor Martinez, DH (1-for-13, HR, 3 walks, 2 K’s)
  5. J.D. Martinez, RF (3-for-8, double, 2 walks, 2 K’s)
  6. Nick Castellanos, 3B (2-for-11, 2 doubles, 4 K’s)
  7. Tyler Collins, CF (0-for-3)
  8. Bobby Wilson, C (1-for-4, double, walk, 2 K’s)
  9. Jose Iglesias, SS

P: Justin Verlander

clevelandlogoINDIANS (career numbers vs. Verlander)

  1. Carlos Santana, DH (11-for-53, double, 6 HR, 6 walks, 13 K’s)
  2. Jason Kipnis, 2B (4-for-42, double, 7 walks, 14 K’s)
  3. Francisco Lindor, SS (2-for-7, triple)
  4. Mike Napoli, 1B (9-for-29, 2 HR, 5 walks, 7 K’s)
  5. Yan Gomes, C (8-for-23, 3 doubles, walk, 3 K’s)
  6. Marlon Byrd, LF (5-for-11, walk, 2 K’s)
  7. Lonnie Chisenhall, RF (8-for-31, 3 doubles, 2 walks, 6 K’s)
  8. Juan Uribe, 3B (3-for-18, double, HR, 2 walks, 4 K’s)
  9. Tyler Naquin, CF

P: Josh Tomlin


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Nice start???????

It wouldn’t be the same without JV giving up a home run on the 6th pitch pf the game!
They just can’t shut down the opponent early (except JZimm) and pitch behind continuously.

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.222 and .228 Real nice.

Lot of talk about pitch count and getting ahead with strikes. Not sure why JV has never really figured that aspect of the game out.
Stubborn and selfish at bats so far. JD trying to pull with VMart on 2 and nobody out.
JUp going for the downs and Miggy, well when is this going to turn around?

Matter of time before we see another Tribe homer. JV has fallen (once again) in love with his fastball and is becoming more predictable (and better timed) with each pitch

FWIW: the Tigers are second in avg, OBP. 4th in RS/g and third best run differential. Big picture looks good

JV has 96 pitches after 5 IP’s, another real efficient outing by the “Ace”. We can’t solve Tomlin and his 62 pitches after 5 innings! Patience would have been a strong virtue tonight as the Tribe has an awful bullpen. These Tiger bats are really strange over the previous several games, nothing but nothing.

I cannot agree with that big picture assessment. I see a slow, stubborn, old, fundamentally unsound team with holes in the rotation, bullpen, LHB and CF.
I see this team pretty much middle of the pack.
Right now the lack of hitting is ensuring that kind of outcome. They fall into these team offensive slumps far too often as they have for a couple of years now.
The only way this team wins is if #1 thru 6 have near career years offensively.

Pitiful looking appearances at the plate. I guess the rest of the team is falling in line right behind Cabrera…the line of underachieving

108 pitches. There was no reason to let him there

Guess that’s what happens when you worry about the win for the pitcher instead of the team…..

Preserving BP. They will play 30 games in 31 days . Just the second starter to go 7. The BP will be burnt by July if they keep that pace
But 108 was too much

There was a reason ,but the wrong one

I am as guilty as any of burying JV before he is dead. BUT, tonight marks his third quality start in four opportunities, where he just seems to bulldog his way past cruddy situations.. AND, 4 hits with 10 Ks in 7 innings is nothing to sneeze at. I’m going to tip my cap to this guy and give him a break. JV’s resume and his performances have earned that in my estimation.

I agree, the last 2 nights weren’t dominant pitching wise. But, definitely good enough to win with a normal Tigers offense.

Wilson sorta reminds me of Coke and not just because he’s a lefty we got from the Yankees. He throws hard and has a decent enough repertoire as well. The difference is he is effective with his stuff and Coke ended up marginally effective as a Tiger, at best…

Cabrera……weak popup

Vmart……lineout nothing but at least he hit it hard


Exasperating 1 run in 18 innings. Can’t pitch continue to blame pitching.

Somehow they need to wake up the offense .

Other than an overall better pen I’m just not seeing any improvements in this team from last year…….starting pitching fair…..hitting spotty…base running poor….defense (other than kinsler and iggy) is so so.

JV was lively tonight but he will always be the kind of pitcher that will pitch well but still get dinged up on his fastball. All you have to do is sit on it and his command with his fastball is not like Doc’s or Greg Maddux. He pitches to areas with it and not spots.
I give him great credit for what he has done in the game (of baseball) and for efforts over his career. And for today, he deserved better. He is gonna go through a few more games like this this year. Where he pitches well for 90% of the game but gives up inopportune runs in games that his teammates fail to support him offensively.

We need Brad to insist that his players engage in better situational hitting. We need them learn how to manufacture runs when runs are scarce.

Relying on his players to launch 3 run homers is a waiting game that will not promote good solid baseball or meaningful winning streaks.

Time for Collins to play at the level Gose contribute by adjusting his game. He should study some Ichiro tape IMO

Tonite I’m gonna go with JV over and above what I said before. He may not hit 101, but he still guns up to 96. That is pretty darn good. With his experience and his bulldog nature and continued needed adjustments, I think he can still be very effective and probably still can be called an ACE on many teams, including the Tigers. But I doubt he will ever see a Cy Young award again.

Yes, Gose needs to make adjustments with his game on offense and needs to take advantage of his skills. But, it is also important to remember he is in the lineup to provide defense first. This is not the Tigers staff that will lead the MLB in Ks. It needs lots of defensive help.The obvious conclusion is the Tigers management put Mc, Iggy, Ian, and Gose in their spots with that idea in mind. Guys like Peralta, Infante, Grandy, and even Avila, fit the pound the ball and K-first defensive model at one point. Times have since changed. This is a team that needs guys on defense up-the-middle and players in the corners who can pound. It’s like in my youth. It is baseball revisited.

1. Verlander pitched more than well enough to win.
2. Pen continues to stand tall.
3. Only 1 swing out of the game at any time.
Team is really out of sync. Cleveland is going to throw flamers for the next two games.
Could easily drop those two, unless Miggy et al wake up.

And since I am in rant mood and for some reason seem to need to serve as an apologist for our pitchers, VerHagen is next on my endangered list. The guy has been criticized as the “weak link” of the BP. but that is just not right. VH has 9 appearances this season and averages nearly 95 with his FB. VH has not allowed an earned run in 8 of his 9 appearances. To me, he is a Closer-In-Waiting and K-Rod better step it up or he will be a setup reliever. Why else would BA use VH late in a tight game as he did tonight against the Indians?

Interesting viewpoints. Personally I don’t see VH beyond the 7th inning. I think he walks too many to be trusted as a closer and not enough Ks to balance the sheet.
As a guy to use for a much needed DP? Yes, he fills the bill. He has done well and is a keeper but I fear you will see Rondon closing again before you would Verhagen.
I also believe Hardy will lose his effectiveness this year. He should be able to be replaced adequately by Ryan if that happens.
The Tigers have a lot of interesting late-inning relievers in the system. The most interesting still learning his craft in Single A (Jiminez). He probably has the stuff and the demeanor too offset his inexperience as we speak.
I sure hope Maybin is OK and really hope he can hit. Collins is AAA material and Gose likely will never develop his hit (and run) tools to succeed. CF is a problem area IMO

Just remember me when nearly everything I say comes to fruition.

I am being modest becuz I think I am right on all counts.

Look, for instance, I said Salty has pop and gave several examples of it based upon his history well before he went off. Specifically, that was historically 25 HRs in a single season with about 400ABs and probably 20 HRs on average in a regular projected 600AB season. But, that cannot last with him as a Tiger. His defense will betray him just as soon as he hits a slump and fans will then jump down his throat. Mc will then step in and do what Salty cannot do for the overall benefit of the team.The bottom line is Salty will look really ugly when he is not regularly popping.

And Holaday will remain a backup once Texas gets its catching act together. It hurts to say that cuz I like the guy. I hope I am wrong.,He ran into an opportunity becuz of someone else’s misfortune. But, I just don’t think he can be effective or valuable as a regular

In juxtaposing Salty and Holaday, all I really wanted to establish was these 2 guys were in competition to back Mc up when I expressed my view of Salty’s value. In no way do I believe either of them should start over Mc. Mc just provides too much value for the way the Tigers have been built. Holaday had a great offensive ST, but regression was in the cards. And Salty can provide pop, especially as a LHB, but his defense just doesn’t fit this team or pitching staff as a regular catcher. However, he has other skills as a PH or DH or whatever that mesh pretty well..

Way too much coffee last night and way too juiced up over the Tigers. I’m hoping for good things from Sanchez today. Kluber has struggled to a 0-3 record and 6.16 ERA. Now might be the right time to catch him. Or not.

It seems the way things work for me is when I back a point or player I am immediately proven wrong. I sure hope I haven’t laid a curse on Sanchez, VH, JV, Salty or the Tigers as a team.

And Dan, you are probably right on VH. He looks to be more of a 7th inning type since his conversion to a reliever. At one point, he looked like he might turn into a #3 starter. Those plans look like they are in the rear view mirror given VH’s history back problems, which hopefully are also behind him.

Verlander has the 12nd hard hit rate in MLB. That dose not look good

Lineup vs. CLE: Kinsler 4, Upton 7, Cabrera 3, V. Martinez DH, J.D. Martinez 9, Castellanos 5, Saltalamacchia 2, Romine 6, Gose 8. Sanchez 1

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