Thursday’s lineups: Tigers at Royals

  
Anthony Gose actually has pretty good numbers off Edinson Volquez (5-for-11), but Tyler Collins gets the start in center. Brad Ausmus said it’s more about getting a game for Collins than getting Gose a day off. That’s the only change in either lineup tonight.

Though the Red Wings are on Fox Sports Detroit tonight, there’s no need to page down the TV listings for FSD Plus. Tonight’s game is on FS1. For the radio broadcast, though, you’ll still have to go to AM 950.

Gameday | TV: FS1, MLB.TV | Radio: WWJ-AM 950, MLB Gameday Audio

tigerhitterlogoTIGERS (career numbers off Volquez)

  1. Ian Kinsler, 2B (6-for-17, double, walk, 2 K’s)
  2. Justin Upton, LF (8-for-17, 4 doubles, walk, 4 K’s)
  3. Miguel Cabrera, 1B (5-for-8, double, 3 walks)
  4. Victor Martinez, DH (2-for-15, double, walk, 2 K’s)
  5. J.D. Martinez, RF (1-for-12, double, 2 walks, 3 K’s)
  6. Nick Castellanos, 3B (3-for-9, double, 2 walks, 3 K’s)
  7. Jarrod Saltalamacchia, C (1-for-4, double, walk, 3 K’s)
  8. Tyler Collins, CF (3-for-8, 2 doubles, 2 K’s)
  9. Jose Iglesias, SS (2-for-10, K)

P: Mike Pelfrey

royalsscriptROYALS (career numbers opposing Pelfrey)

  1. Alcides Escobar, SS (6-for-18)
  2. Mike Moustakas, 3B (4-for-12, HR, 3 walks)
  3. Lorenzo Cain, CF (7-for-14, 2 doubles, 2 K’s)
  4. Eric Hosmer, 1B (4-for-10, double, 4 walks, 2 K’s)
  5. Big Ken Morales, DH (2-for-10, HR, 2 K’s)
  6. Alex Gordon, LF (5-for-14, triple, walk, 5 K’s)
  7. Salvador Perez, C (5-for-15, double)
  8. Omar Infante, 2B (17-for-41, triple, 3 walks, K)
  9. Jarrod Dyson, RF (0-for-2, K)

P: Edinson Volquez

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The long rest between appearances is not making KRod any good

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Oh, Tigers. Pelfrey is in trouble already.

He getting absolutely pounded.
Al Avila has to be wondering about a couple of his free agent signings.
Don’t imagine Illitch is any too happy about them either.

His agent is Boras. He was helping his friend, again

I am not particularly a Tyler Collins fan but it was imperative to get Gose away from the ball diamond. I don’t either of them will have long MLB careers.
Sure wish Moya could play CF!!!!

Pelfrey doesn’t look like he can throw a ball past any hitter. Iggy is playing incredible defense this little while.
Pelfrey is about as boring and predictable as good old Brad Penny

After the game check this:
http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/zoneTrack.php?&game=gid_2016_04_20_detmlb_kcamlb_1/&innings=yyyyyyyyy&month=04&day=20&year=2016
Zimmermann got more strikes called out of the zone
Pérez is a pretty bad framer

Iggy just ran himself into a third out at 3B. He challenged a GG LFer in the process. Now, that is an incredibly stupid gamble as opposed to what Nick risked against Rasmus and the Astros.

All of the KC outfielders are GG. You would think trying to steal on these guys would have been discussed before the game.

The game is only on MLBtv if you have it. Seems strange they don’t have it on FSD+. I’m listening to Dan and Jim. They are not happy with Pelfrey and the walks.

Remind me again. Before or when Pelfrey was signed, were Latos and Kennedy still available? The two strongest challengers in the Tigers’ division each seem, so far, to have made much better decisions on those pitchers than did the Tigers.

The big danger here is Pefrey has his fielders back on their heels

I definitely agree about Latos. He was flying way below the radar despite a decent track record. I commented several weeks ago that he would make a nice pickup at a reduced price. I guess Avila just won’t listen to me. Anyway, let’s hope Pelfrey pans out.

Watching Pelfrey pitch is the major league equivalent of water boarding. This insanity every fifth day has to stop.

Pelfrey hasn’t been great, but our offense should be able to pick him up more. 2 straight games with no run support.

Having Pelfrey on the mound is brutal . Makes you wonder how the front office came up with this plan .

Pelfrey has pitched down to my low expectations so far tonight. I still have not lost hope for him given his occasional flashes of brilliance and the stuff he once showed with the Mets . Pelfrey was a budding star. at one point in his career. But, the bottom line is, I think all the money Avila dropped in his lap means the Tigers must give him a chance to succeed. And that goes for Aviles as well, who I also think was a suspect acquisition for the bucks.

With all due respect, the scouts that Avila talks about in recommending Pelfrey were just wrong. He can’t throw strikes consistently enough to help us out.

I try so hard not to think negative things this early in the season, but some players are making it hard.

I may as well continue my diatribe about Pelfrey. He does not have a swing-and-miss pitch, gives up way too many hits and has such poor command he is either behind and gets banged or walks too many hitters. As a tilt guy, in the rotation, like Sanchez, he needs to step it up. If these guy don’t do their jobs, the Tigers go from competitive to lost cause. BUT…it is still early and time will tell.

The problem is greater than Pelfrey. We have a team that far too often plays poor baseball, especially fundamentally, for extended periods of time.
It’s contagious, your big hitters slump then the pitching crumbles, the defense gets challenged and the base-running regresses.
KC does not play poor baseball very often.
We do. While we wait for the big boppers to start hitting the weaknesses in the team become evident to all other teams.

Although Iggy is the most aggressive guy on the team….hitting and fielding…his baserunning has alot to be desired. I guess he wants to win in the worse way and
screws up possible rallies….or is it coaching?

`Enough of my whining on Big Mike; he’s going nowhere. I guess a 16 M contract has something to do with that. Use him differently; make him long relief. Every start, he puts us in the hole. This was a horrible signing, and barring a miracle, we will pay dearly. 2-3-4-5 had one hit tonight. We won’t win too many with that formula. Upton cannot buy a hit right now; Miggy is so out of sync, and the Martinez Brothers are inconsistent right now. KC plays far over our heads; their defense makes one speechless. While ours is no slouch, their D can really carry them awhile. Our pen has performed well; their pen is shutdown! Our 7th. hitter is Gose/Collins; theirs is Perez.
I guess I can’t stand the fact that they are a really good team. Three things to like about our team tonight:
1. The Iglesias/Kinsler defense has saved Pelfrey’s hide.
2. The 11 pitch AB by Nick in the 7th. for a hit; also got a free ride on his 47th.AB
3. Ryan and Wilson did their job in a timely manner.

Kudos to Ian. I’ve said it earlier; he is truly an unsung MVP for our team. JV gives it another fling tomorrow; glad its not in Cleveland; I couldn’t take the drums at this stage.

The fact remains he could of thrown 2 no hitters on a row his team hasn’t gotten him 1 run of support in 2 games.

Anybody know where Rich is? I REALLY miss reading posts from him over the past several years but this season he’s been virtually silent.

He’s commented a few times. I hope he is not mad at me for disagreeing with him on the White Sox fiasco when the guy quit because his kid couldn’t be with him 24/7.

Split on the road, win at home

Well, Pelfrey stood up and spoke both realistically and truthfully about his pitching performances and their consequences on the team. If nothing else, he and K-Rod have acted pretty solidly in accepting accountability for their failures.

Thanks for asking, GuateTiger. I’m still reading along and I’m not mad at anybody. After ten years and an encyclopedia’s worth of words poured into this comments section, I’m a little tired.
The Tigers started the season playing 12 of the first 14 games against playoff teams. They were 6-6 against those clubs. The 8-6 overall record computes to 92-93 wins, a number I’d gladly accept.
I didn’t understand the Pelfrey signing either. I believe that the agonized feeling we get watching him struggle spreads throughout the field and takes a toll on the entire team, hence no runs scored. Baseball needs to be played at a crisp pace.
I’m puzzled by Miggy’s performance thus far.
Other than that, it’s business as usual. Win some, lose some, and some get rained out.

I agree with you mostly Rich. Glad to see you posting again. While I can buy some of the agonized feeling part of Pelfrey, I think if the innings were cleaner guys might be more enthused etc. But, still they are professionals they should do their job regardless. Case in point, before Pelfrey threw his first pitch Volquez had an easy inning. The top of our lineup did nothing and continued from there.

I agree with Kris and Dan. No one is saying Pelfrey is Cy Young. But, he doesn’t need to be. Last 2 outings hes giving up 4 runs. With 1 run scoring when Casty didn’t catch the ball on the Cain steal attempt from Salty when they had him out, which would have ended the inning. I think you take that from your #5 pitcher and you should be happy. Can he pitch better and have cleaner innings, sure.
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Like Dan says when is the last time we’ve seen a consistent week of good baseball from these guys. Or even, a whole game. I am no expert, but it seems we are terrible at fundamentals. From executing a pitch plan and making the pitches needed, to catching the ball when thrown to you and properly applying a tag, to having consistent good at bats, to finally running the base paths properly and not giving easy outs. Maybe, that is the difference of a team build from a solid farm vs a team built mostly from trades and free agents.
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Either way we shouldn’t scapegoat Pelfrey, how many teams win when you give their #5 starter literally no run support and you commit errors for runs.

Tuning in to watch Ian play and the double plays is worth watching.

I know I’m one of the main “harpers”about Pelfrey. Granted, we’ve scored not one run for him, but he starts every game with 30-35 pitches, three or four walks, and a run or 2. This is emotional torture on your team mates, who find themselves always behind the 8 ball in the second inning, and so far facing the 1 or 2 of the opposing team. Come on, Pelfrey’s record did not cry 2 yr/16M. That’s all I’m saying. He should give back 12 of the 16, and then he’d be worth trying to salvage.

I don’t see how Pelfrey’s performance can be excused by anyone. Heck, he doesn’t even excuse himself, to his credit.

And as far as #5 starters go, our #5 last season, the much maligned Simon, was 12th in the AL in Wins and had 12 QS in 31 starts over 187 innings. I only hope Pelfrey can approach those numbers.

Small sample projections are extremely unreliable. Take for example the record of the 2015 Tigers. Through 4/21 of last season, the Tigers were 11-3. If my math is correct, that projects out to roughly 126 wins.Well, my case in point is the Tigers finished with 74 wins.

Rich, I am also glad to read your posts. You can be very entertaining in making your points. And not all of them are necessarily about baseball or the Tigers.

I’m not projecting 92-93 wins. My point was that the Tigers so far have done well against a tough schedule. Projection is a fancy term for fortune telling.

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