Saturday’s lineups: Tigers at White Sox

Miguel Cabrera gets the start at first base today against Erik Johnson in what will most likely be Cabrera’s final at-bats of the season. In fact, it’s a fairly regular lineup, except for Victor Martinez out and James McCann getting a break for Alex Avila, who will be catching Justin Verlander for the 116th (and possibly final) time.

tigerpitcherlogoTIGERS (numbers vs. Erik Johnson)

  1. Anthony Gose, CF
  2. Ian Kinsler, 2B (0-for-2, K)
  3. Miguel Cabrera, 1B (1-for-6, 2 K’s)
  4. J.D. Martinez, DH (0-for-3, K)
  5. Tyler Collins, LF (0-for-3, K)
  6. Nick Castellanos, 3B (3-for-6, double, 2 K’s)
  7. Steven Moya, RF
  8. Dixon Machado, SS
  9. Alex Avila, C (5-for-5, double, HR, 2 walks)

P: Justin Verlander

whitesox1959logoWHITE SOX (career numbers off Verlander)

  1. Adam Eaton, CF (5-for-18, 2 doubles, triple, walk, 4 K’s)
  2. Jose Abreu, 1B (8-for-18, double, 2 HR, 2 walks, 6 K’s)
  3. Melky Cabrera, DH (6-for-29, triple, HR, 2 walks, 4 K’s)
  4. Trayce Thompson, LF (0-for-2, walk)
  5. Alexei Ramirez, SS (20-for-78, 2 doubles, HR, 2 walks, 9 K’s)
  6. Rob Brantly, C
  7. Avisail Garcia, RF (2-for-9, double, K)
  8. Mike Olt, 3B (1-for-2, K)
  9. Carlos Sanchez, 2B (0-for-6, 3 K’s)

P: Erik Johnson



JV not sharp tonight……

Hitters not hitting. ……again

Through 5 it appears as though JV is going to get absolutely no run support. Great hitting team??????? Whatever.

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There you have

First in avg, first in OBP. Second in OPS

9th in slugging

no reason lo leave JV there

Eaton and Ramirez–guys are Tiger hunters.
JV got rattled by the ump.
Pitched another excellent game whatever Brantly does

Tough break with Ramirez. Just ab out had him on one of those sliders.

JV may not get the win unless Tiger bats come alive in the 7th. Then the BP will decide if the Tigers clinch tonight.

Simon:Prelim @FieldingBible awards ballot top 5, 2nd base

Ian Kinsler
Dee Gordon
Danny Espinosa
Addison Russell
Logan Forsythe

Horrible at bats by Gose tonight. He has a lot of gaps in his baseball skillset.
Doesn’t hit the fastball, doesn’t hit LHP, doesn’t run the bases well, doesn’t steal bases, doesn’t run good routs in the OF, doesn’t throw to the right bases, doesn’t know how many outs there are, etc, etc.

Sox bring in LHP. Avila still bats? Lost cause for sure.

I would have had McCann PH for Alex

So they bring Duke in a lefty specialist. …if they are seemingly trying to win the game why not bring in right handed hitters to face him? I guess they really aren’t trying to win. Righties hit him 2 full points higher. He didn’t pinch run for people last night or tonight. Freaking annoying.

Is it OK to wish we still had Max?

It is too cold outside to walk to the mound

Wow–Ver II looked outstanding.

6.43 ERA during August. I pass

Whew!!! VerHagen got out of that mess.
Max is just a fleeting memory. His contract really would have sunk the Tigers.

Yes they already were taking on water with a gash in the bow .


How so? Ver has a solid contract. Price would have had one. If the Tigers are serious about contending, guess what, Illitch wil have to put his hand where his wallet is. Just like other MLB teams drawing 3 million fans a year do.
Yes it is a memory but in my mind they should never have let Max go. If DD had handled him properly early in the season they may have been able to keep him.
Let’s not forget what can happen to a team when the rotation sucks

Max scherzer made it perfectly clear he was was going into free agency. …his ego never would of allowed anything less. He more or less acknowledged that.

Now there is a pinch runner. Romine for Miggy. Ausmule must have decided Miggy would never bat again in this game. Isn’t it tied?
ElTigre> Based on Collins production with limited at-bats, what might be his production as a full season player? HRs, RBIs. (Emphasizing MIGHT.)

Like I said Tigers are tanking these games. Ausmus last night didn’t pinch hit for lesser hitters and tonight didn’t pinch hitting for lefties in an obvious pinch hitting situation.
Tanking. ….Zero respect for him

Maybe but like I said max made it perfectly clear he was all about the union….not loyalty he was about getting a bigger contact than anyone. Illitch and DD wisely didn’t take the self absorbed jerks bait. Max scherzer was always about himself and not his team.

He was projected :
244 .294 .385
So far:263 .305 .409
15-20 HR if he plays everyday but expected to be a 4th OF

He was mishandled by DD

There was no room for JV and Schezer. Scherzer wanted more money than Scherzer. And JV would not have liked that

a cada uno lo suyo
Illitch needs to pay more if he wants a championship. I’m not saying that’s right but it the way it is, expecially with the roster we have

Illitches giant tv contract hasn’t hit yet I believe. On the news they announced with the large decrease in attendance they lost money this year. …….

They have been losing money for 3 years

Gotta think attendance will be down next year . Well unless they start winning that is . Crowds at area restaurants and bars is also down.

Nice job mccann

Marte should be hitting for Gose— at least Ausmus had the sense to let McCann hit for Avila

OK maybe not Ventura would just have brought in the righty and the defense would have been weakend. I retract

One smart move by BA. Pinch hit McCann for Avila and it paid off. But then Gose? No OF left on bench?

8 think not

If the “closer” does his job, Tigers might win but not clinch.


Looked it up …tiger’s local contact worth 40 million. …a fraction of high payroll teams and smaller than even some smaller marketc teams. Non negotiable and not over for several more years.

Walk the first batter so Eaton and Abreu have a chance to bat. Oh. boy.

Just can’t find anyone to be confident with. Feliz blown save.

Awesome. ..way to walk the leadoff hitter…..and a double….and a tie game.

If it remains tied, Miggy is first to bat in the 10th and he has been hot tonight. Oh, wait…..brilliant move by Ausmule.

Figures…….why should we expect anything less than failure from these guys.

Jason, 2013:
“Even without the option, the $180 million guaranteed to Verlander over the next seven years eclipses Felix Hernandez’s seven-year, $175 million contract with the Mariners for the largest deal ever for a Major League pitcher.” More than Felix( who is younger) and with the option, first pitcher over 200 MM
The extension? 140 MM.
Scherzer was offered 144 -156 but he was making 15.5. So 169.5 -181.5.

That wraps it. Winning hit by a .154 hitter. Feliz blown save and a loss. Miggy Romine never gets a chance to bat. Tigers may have clinched the big prize. Goodnight, Mrs. Kalabash, wherever you are.

Feliz was horrible. He came in throwing at a lower velocity, set himself up to lose and then did just that. What is up with that in light of his several recent high octane performances?

With this kind of bullpen the ownership/management totally deserve the outcome.
If the Tigers really are serious about winning they will have to loosen the purse strings again. It has nothing to do with existing contracts it has to do with winning.

2 things. The TV contract expires with the 2017 season and looks to be sizable given most estimates, except most notably Henning’s. Presumably in the $100M range. Also, Max is at $17M this year and will be at $22M the following 3 years, when his deferred money kicks in.

Tonight the Tigers accomplished the only thing left to accomplish. They got a protected draft pick and won’t lose it if signing a QO FA. How would Tyler Clippard look in a Detroit uni?
Let’s have a nice relaxing finale tomorrow and come back next year.

I have commented about the Tigers money situation several times. Ilitch bought the franchise at $830M and Forbes valued it at $1.125B last March. That’s a nice return. Ilitch has proven during the course of time that if you want to make money you have to spend money.

Plus, Ilitch is loaded. It’s not a question of whether the money is there. It is only a question of how much Ilitch is willing to spend.

Not $830M, $83M. My typo.

I really question any MLB team that says it is losing money, especially given all the TV money out there generated by local, regional and national sources. How many times have MLB teams refused to open their books during negotiations with the Union? The upshot has always been salaries and revenues hugely increase. And no teams ever go under. How can anyone believe pleas of poverty under those circumstances?

Just when I had been bragging about Feliz, well you fully understand reality. We’ve lived through it’s misery for 6 long months minus the first two weeks. After that, the floodgates truly did open. And now we come down to # 161, so insignificant, that we won’t even play 162. All Tiger fans, players, coaches, and all involved want to go home. In less than 24 hours, everyone gets their wish. In the meantime, there were three things to like about this game:
1. Miggy’s three hits give us a glance of why he won the batting title again; he didn’t shy away, and gets his crown by hitting AND NOT SITTING ON AN AVERAGE.
2. Sacrifice Bunts are mostly giveaway outs; Machado proved that at least he knows how to bunt, and the second one tonight was critical.
3. Even though he threw way too many pitches, JV has shown us that the arm is 100%. The velocity was solid on pitch 120.
GK, this was one time you could scream about th plate calling. What I saw tonight ranked in the bottom 5 of the season.
Kudos to Rags, JMac, and Moya for two nice AB’s. Also, Verhagen did what Feliz couldn’t do, and more; he overcame an error, walks, and hits and got out of the mess.
Neftali failed again. Time for him to fly. Until tomorrow!

One last thing about the money. The 30 teams in MLB have national TV contracts of $1.5B placed annually into a central fund. On top of that there is local money. The Tigers now get $40M/yr on a contract that expires in 2017. Plus, there is money from attendance, parking, sponsorships, radio, merchandise sales, food sales and whatever else. Do the math. Ilitch and other owners are flush. The small market excuse is no longer valid..

Today, Max threw his second no-hitter this year.

Right on Darline! Time for Illitch to go manic with his money —not depressive with it.
How much is an average seat? Multiply that by 2.8 million. Add, parking, concessions, and gear that Darline speaks to.
That is a lot of money Mike.

Texas went to bankruptcy.
Mets were close
Cubs too but to make the sale easier

There have been no financial issues since the TV deal was consummated. Those clubs are flush and have recovered nicely. The Mets problem had nothing to do with baseball. It involved investments and market fraud.The Cubs were a negotiation issue.I don’t recall the details with Texas, but anything involving Bush is suspect. In any event Texas is rolling now.

What I do recall about Texas is the filing occurred several years ago and involved a billionaire owner who also owned a major English soccer team. I believe this too was part of a negotiation that resulted in a sale to Ryan and his investor(s).

By the way, in their negotiations,the Cubs sold for $845M, which at the time was the largest sum ever paid for a an MLB team.

Also the Cubs situation really had nothing to do with its revenue stream. It was about the Tribune ownership, which had a $13M debt.

The Tribune debt was $13B, not $13M. My typo.

The ump? even Stone agreed with JV

And ElT, you also left out the biggest filing of recent times. It involved McCort and the Dodgers. The poor guy, who bought the organization on borrowed money, went thru a divorce and ended up selling to the Guggenheim Partners for $2B, which has since profited immensely based on TV money.That worked out pretty well for all involved.. .

My point was and is that THE TEAMS ARE FLUSH and anything they say to the contrary just doesn’t hold water.And in my opinion, that includes the Tigers.

$1.5B/year national TV revenue alone, 30 teams. Money in the MLB central fund. That’s $500M per year per team. Distribution is dependent upon various factors. This is not a difficult financial concept.

$50M, not $500M . Another typo and correction.

Off to work so won’t be able to watch the last game of 2015. Maybe it’s just as well. Go 2016 Tigers!

MudHens Lineup at CWS: Gose 8, Machado 6, J. Martinez DH, Collins 7, Castellanos 5, Moya 9, Marte 3, Holaday 2, J. Wilson 4. Norris starting.

Nothing wrong with that lineup under the circumstances. Meaningless game, last place clinched, away etc etc.
Go Moya!!!

Except for JD not being in it!!! (I just noticed). Give him the chance to get to 40. That is a highly symbolic and recognizable achievement

Sure wish I could edit my posts. Sorry I was loooking for the initials “JD”.

Last out of the no- no? Grandyman. Of course

The Trade. 🙂

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