Wednesday’s lineups: Tigers vs. White Sox

Miguel Cabrera has some lower back issues, so Brad Ausmus decided to give him the day game off. Combined with Thursday’s scheduled off-day, he’ll get two days to rest before Friday night’s game against the Twins to open the final home series of the season. Alex Avila starts at first base, while Ausmus pairs up Gose and Rajai Davis at the top of the order to move Ian Kinsler to the third spot against White Sox rookie Frankie Montas in his first Major League start. Interestingly, Ausmus keeps Victor Martinez in the cleanup spot without any matchup numbers, so that trend might stick.


  1. Anthony Gose, CF
  2. Rajai Davis, LF
  3. Ian Kinsler, 2B
  4. Victor Martinez, DH
  5. J.D. Martinez, RF
  6. Nick Castellanos, 3B
  7. Alex Avila, 1B
  8. James McCann, C
  9. Dixon Machado, SS

P: Justin Verlander

whitesoxlogoWHITE SOX (career numbers off Verlander)

  1. Adam Eaton, DH (5-for-15, 2 doubles, triple, walk, 4 K’s)
  2. Jose Abreu, 1B (8-for-16, double, 2 HR, walk, 4 K’s)
  3. Trayce Thompson, CF
  4. Melky Cabrera, LF (4-for-26, triple, 2 walks, 4 K’s)
  5. Avisail Garcia, RF (1-for-6, double, K)
  6. Alexei Ramirez, SS (19-for-75, double, HR, 2 walks, 9 K’s)
  7. Carlos Sanchez, 2B (0-for-3)
  8. Mike Olt, 3B
  9. Geovany Soto, C (1-for-6, HR, walk, 2 K’s)

P: Frankie Montas


I’d love to be at that game today. The weather is perfect.

Good start

Just a note about the Tigers prospect list. Fulmer has replaced Moya as the #1. His ETA is 2017.

Learning so much from the Al Kaline interview.

Well I can tell JV is irritated with the strike zone. …he’s having to use way too many pitches and the tiger’s pitcher is getting squeezed.

The Tigers have found an opposing pitcher whose initials are NOT CY. Now if JV can just hold the Sox. Oops! Right away the next inning he doesn’t.
I don’t know how they will ever know for sure about Moya when he just gathers splinters on the bench. Do they already know they have Cespedes or Heyward
all signed up?

Maybe because they are playing at home. Moya might play when they hit the road.

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Verlander falling apart

JV threw pitch 111 at 99.

Moya…a guy who we see throws well. Strikes out a ton 8 strikeouts in 13 ab’s. Can he run into one sure…but I’m not sure he’said ready to hit at the big leagues if ever. He’s 24 young but not really young. I don’t know other than there is a fascination with him.

Moya has huge power and run production potential. Most guys of his ilk strike out lots. It just usually comes with the territory. And DPs are thus not a concern. Besides, Babe Ruth is the world leader in strike outs.

Good job JV getting out what coulda been a disaster

I don’t recall many times when teammates have made those kinds of remarks about someone sent down or sent home. I believe in patience, but Rondon sounds like a donkey. Dan may be right and maybe Rondon should be dealt.

It is not the Ump but McCann . He is the third worst in framing in MLB. And Avila 14th worst.But for that guy from Michigan, they dont hate the Tigers.
BTW: McCann is not a good last name for catchers, McCann almost cost the game to the Yankees last night. it was strike but McCann was almost behind the batting box and of course it was called ball

Wilson,fatigue.It must be season over for him

No need to do him what they did to Al2 and Joba

How times have changed. Wilson fatigued at 58 innings? I remember when Marshall threw over 200 innings in relief for the Dodgers.

Correction: 69 innings for Wilson.

Willie Hernández pitched 141 and was done after the following season

The Tigers have the right to send him homet but it is unfair to add him to the exterme fatigue list. They added a lot of player to the list, many for no reason at all. Not only Venzuelans but Dominicans, and Mexicans too

Unless he was saying his lack of performance was fatigue related?

1. We lead from start to finish; the best kind of win.
2. VMart is finally getting to 100%; about 60 games to late.
3. Rags makes things happen today with a three hit game.
Kudos to VMart, Julio, and JV for another solid performance. The strikeout of Soto in the 7th, I think tells us that JV is also 100% healthy. I love Verhagen’s mound presence and performance and see a solid piece for next year’s pen. And maybe, just maybe, Feliz is rounding into 100% too. As I said yesterday, don’t write him off yet.
With a little luck, we might get 77 wins in the end, which would really end the year on an upbeat path to 2016.

“You should always go to other people’s funerals, otherwise, they won’t come to yours.”

Nice win and split the series with the south siders . JV was on today . Soto didn’t have a clue what JV threw by him in the 7 th inning .

James seems to be on your feces list LT. I like the guy a lot and feel he has the “right stuff” when it comes to being a MLB 1st string catcher. I am not a huge proponent of the pitch framing club. I do know that James gives and maintains a visible target with his glove. I know he has not made an error, that he throws runners out as well as anybody in the game, blocks balls that other catchers don’t, able to catch wild man Simon, that he has the respect of his pitchers, that he wants to win and lead his team-mates, that he looks like he will be a decent hitter, that he knows how to bunt, is tough as nails and runs the bases better than a lot of guys on this team.
I have no data or understanding of pitch framing but I will gladly accept his lack of pitch framing technique in light of his very real other qualities.

Not at all. But he needs a lot of work. I dont want to hear the Avila´s fan saying ” we told you”

Good comeback to tie the series after Monday’s flops. With a little hitting Monday it might have been possible to sweep. It was that close.

And another step further away from being able to sign certain free agents without giving up their draft pick.

Thanks. I get the impression from James he is not afraid of putting in the work!

It’s a dilemma. But I could never want these guys to lose and I hope they feel the same.

Max allowed HR 26th and 27th

I earlier commented about JV hitting 99 on his 111th pitch. Zuniga has just written an article about him highlighting JV’s 99mph velocity. What is interesting about the article, other than the obvious, is the use of the term “effort level”, given Rondon’s questioned “effort” by management.

Dan, I very much agree with your take on McCann. You laid out many of the things I think many of us who like him, see. And, you said it very well. But, I also think ElT is correct in saying he needs to work on some things, especially framing.

I need to learn more about that. I understand the basic concept and actually think James does a good job of subtlely moving his glove ever so slightly to the strike zone. I must be missing something.
Can’t help but think the sabre metric “framing” concept is as subjectively arbitrary as WAR and dWAR, RoTR and other stuff. Especially WAR. Who grades that anyway?

Fangraphs has several explanatory articles about each of the categories you listed, and more. Most of them are understandable to a layman. Even though the site is metrics-oriented, much of the material is presented with a balanced overview.

Frankly, I think metrics analysis provides a useful reference point for comparing players. But like you have said before, you have to use your own eyes. You had an acronym for your position, which was cute. I don’t recall it. My memory fails me sometimes.

Lastly, metrics can be arbitrary and subjective, just like any fan or baseball evaluator. But, it has a methodology and uses lots of data. Much of the info is now provided by Baseball Info Solutions (BIS), whose data is compiled by human scorers, which means it likely contains some human error.

When they had Al Kaline in the booth yesterday, they showed a comparison of his 1955 season to MVP Yogi Berra. Kaline’s WAR was 8.2; Berra’s was 4.5. Knowing Yogi’s value to a team, this suggested to me that WAR should have nothing to do with the MVP. As usual, I have a zany suggestion: separate WAR from the MVP and give it its own name. The aWARd.

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