Tuesday’s lineups: Tigers vs. White Sox

Look for Daniel Norris to get a bit of a higher pitch count tonight compared to his first outing, when he had 45-50 pitches and finished with 47. He’ll supposed get around 60-65 pitches. The starting pitching of Kyle Ryan and Randy Wolf yesterday actually left the bullpen in fairly good shape, at least enough that they shouldn’t have to stretch Norris if they don’t want to.

On the lineup side, Ausmus has flipped Victor and J.D. Martinez back to their previous spots, restoring V-Mart to the cleanup role. He’s 13-for-27 lifetime off Quintana, including 6-for-9 with two doubles this year.

tigerslogoTIGERS (career numbers off Jose Quintana)

  1. Rajai Davis, LF (12-for-38, 3 doubles, triple, HR, 2 walks, 6 K’s)
  2. Ian Kinsler, 2B (10-for-30, 2 doubles, walk, 5 K’s)
  3. Miguel Cabrera, 1B (11-for-30, 4 doubles, HR, 3 walks, 4 K’s)
  4. Victor Martinez, DH (13-for-27, 2 doubles, 2 K’s)
  5. J.D. Martinez, RF (3-for-17, triple, 2 walks, 7 K’s)
  6. Nick Castellanos, 3B (6-for-20, walk, 5 K’s)
  7. James McCann, C (1-for-4, triple, 2 K’s)
  8. Dixon Machado, SS
  9. Anthony Gose, CF (0-for-3, K)

P: Daniel Norris

whitesoxlogoWHITE SOX

  1. Adam Eaton, CF
  2. Jose Abreu, 1B
  3. Trayce Thompson, RF
  4. Melky Cabrera, LF
  5. Avisail Garcia, DH
  6. Alexei Ramirez, SS
  7. Carlos Sanchez, 2B
  8. Tyler Flowers, C
  9. Tyler Saladino, 3B

P: Jose Quintana


Fenech:”Tigers closer Bruce Rondon has been sent home for his “effort level,” manager Brad Ausmus told reporters while I was on a radio interview.”

“lack of effort”

Brad and Al said they won’t talk about it anymore.

They ougth not to. They are already risking a grievance by the MLBPA.

Well, MLB published today the extreme fatigue list and Bruce Rondón is there , Supposedly, injury.
The extreme fatigue list names the players not allowed to play in Winter Baseball after reaching certain numbers of innings pitched or PA.
Rondón is recovering from TJ but he is not injured.So, he is sent home but forbidden to play baseball here too with no reason.

There is no amount of baseball that will improve Bruce. He was a hope and a dream that petered out. He is a TJ surgery waiting to re-occur. There is something about his baseball “mind” that is lacking. I hope they get rid of him so they can concentrate an a true late-inning reliever with proven capability.

He came back less than a year after Tommy John. ….he’s still young I don’t think you give up on him so much as don’t crown him a closer. It seems as though it takes a little longer than he was given to come back from that surgery.

ElT, I’m not sure what you were trying to say in your comment about CoPa’s stats. But, here’s what Henning wrote: “Statistically, of course, Comerica ranks acceptably with other parks in offense and homers.”

My point about pitching is that if a staff has a high K ratio then the park is not as great an outcome factor, everything else being equal.

Exactly the same Beck posted 15 minutes later.The fences are not the problem. And Henning ,as usual, is wrong.
High K pitchers allow a lot of HRs. And the 2013 Tigers were also FB pitchers , so prone to give HR.I did not mentioned Boyd or Aníbal but they were in my mind too. I did not post this bit , I erased it, “better trade Boyd then”.
The same comment Beck posted minus the trade thing ( that was mine)
Every HR was a strike before flying.

I found the Rondon story to be an exciting one. Until I saw him pitch for the last 3 years. There is something wrong there. I used to play a lot of fast-pitch softball after my baseball days and it always seemed like the pitchers we would try to get (and opposing teams too) had the label of being “head cases”. It was almost understood that it came with the territory. I think that can be extrapolated to 100 MPH hardball pitchers too, especially relievers. Zumaya was a classic one. Rondon seemed to have an arrogance and an obstinancy about him. He either over threw the fastball or under threw it. Apparently in terms of quality as well as quantity. He seems like a malcontent to me and this is one team that does not need that at all.

The same day I say “Rondon himself isn’t the problem”……………this.

Wonder who they find for 2016’s closer ? The Tigers problems continue .

To Rondon: Give back your salary

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I hear you Doug but I would suggest he take the money and run and keep running as far away from Motown as possible. I’ve been upset with this guy for a while now as it irritates me that somebody with this kind of potential squanders it. I assume he came from a less than advantaged background (and I apologize for that assumption) and that makes it more than irritating —it makes it irresponsible. I remember 5 or maybe even 6 years ago the Tigers sent him back to Venezuela because of attitude concerns. Not taking his work seriously I think was the phrase that was used.
Maybe LT can give us some background on Bruce. And please accept my apologies in advance LT, I am a big fan of Venezuelan baseball and the relationship the Tigers have cultivated with it.

No need to apologize.
I have been trying to find comments from Venezuelan journalists but I have to wait until the 7:00 PM game . I´m sure during the game he will be mentioned. Guillén will be on ESPN, maybe he says something.
In fact, Rondón debuted in the USA before pitching in the Winter League. He pitched 18 innings for Navegantes del Magallanes ( Magellan´s sailors) and that is his whole career in Venezuelan Professional League. He played here in the Summer and in the Parallel leagues. And there is no press coverage of the former and only local for the latter.

My son called me 30 minutes ago about this Rondon thing. Then, I happened to mention the Price incident and the miscommunication between player and manager. My son hadn’t heard about the Price thing. OMG, he went off like a firecracker. “You don’t do that to your teammates. That is total disrespect. That would be like a quarterback just quitting on his team.” On and on and on until I couldn’t listen anymore. How could that happen? If Pudge was there, that wouldn’t happen. He suggested they blow up the team and start al over.

What is this Price thing you speak of? I am only mildly paying attention to Tiger related things these days.

June 29th. David leaves game at end of 6th inning at 97 pitches and goes into clubhouse. 7th inning starts and everyone is on the field except the pitcher. The camera pans to the dugout showing the pitching coach, Brad and Verlander talking and Verlander goes into clubhouse. Comes back out and tells Brad that David has uniform off and thought he was done for the day. It was called a “miscommunication”. He took himself out of the game. I’ve never in my life seen anything like it in MLB. Still, it’s called a “miscommunication.”

I read the article in the Freep about Rondon. I just assumed the effort issue related to a failure to try based upon attitude. But, the information was sparse and vague enuff to leave questions. For instance, could his lack of effort have been the result of injury or fatigue or…?

I think it attitude Darline. Did yu happen to notice the disdain with which he communicated with McCann? It was obvious he did not like being “told” what to do.
James repeatedly called for a certain pitch before having to go out to the mound. And when out there the body language told it all.
It’s too bad but there are too many problems with this guy. Injuries, attitude, command. Forget it and move on.

ElT, I went back and took a look at the comment from Beck you earlier referenced and I didn’t see. He noted, “Meanwhile Tiger pitching leads the league in home runs allowed, with a .479 slugging percentage allowed on the road…” No matter how you cut it and whatever park dimensions exist, this staff has problems.

He mentioned that Cabrera, Fiedler and Victor had no problem hiiting HR, And taking the fences in would mean more HR allowed

The staff went from almost best to definitely worst!


On a bright note Norris Looking Good

Gose is showing continued development, with playing time and patience. Gibby and the FSD stat line just noted he was on base 16 straight games in September, until yesterday. And he has hit over .300 with an OBP of over .400 during that period. Nice pluses for a defense-first guy.

Last 29 innings tigers have a whopping 2 runs Getting some pretty good pitching performances by our pitchers and the yahoos shrink at the plate.

Especially by Norris tonite. Tough to take a guy out on a pitch count with a perfect game going.

Wally and Jeff have let the team down when it comes to plate strategy and pitcher’s strategy. Jones seems to be able to fix mechanics in BP sessions over time, but I’m not sure what Joiner has transferred from his hitting success to the current lineup. Probably time for a double switch in the off season.

Incompetent boobs can’t stop grounding into double plays.

Hopefully the Tigers get the kid a couple of runs. The way the bats are going though that is a bit doubtful.
I like the idea they have Gose batting 9th against the southpaw.
The other irritating thing about Rondon is that he was given another obvious opportunity but yet again let his personality get in the way. Is he one of those people who are afraid to succeed?
Holy cow Norris is showing us some real talent.

Do Not take Norris out as he is tracking with 12.5 pitches/inning in a “perfect” game through 5 IP’s. How many times do you get to build on that?

He’s on a pitch counts because of his last injury.
30 innings 2 runs. .

Not sure why we have witnessed this kind of theme so often over the last few years. Everybody just shuts down at the same time. A bit bizarre.
Another thing that seems to happen frequently is scoring in the first inning and then either not scoring the rest of the game or getting shut down till the bitter end.

Hung that pitch ….it woulda been fun but tiger’s have made it pretty clear that they aren’t into fun this year.
There goes no hitter and probably win.

The “kids” have a no-hitter but the veteran blows the lead.

Why do I watch, It feels like torture,

It’s obvious Brad is not interested in winning…What was wrong with letting Verhagen
finish the freaking game? He was keeping the no hitter going….THEN…. Feliz looked like he floated that ball in there…Gee Whiz!
Where do they find these guys?I wish Brad would not think too much…It seems every time he thinks…something bad happens! We need a fresh face, before the
season ends. This season has been a nightmare, hasn’t it?

Feliz has been very good of late with top stuff. So, of course he blows the save and no-hitter.

And he finishes by striking out Abreu with a heater clocked at 99.

And then he finishes off Abreu and the inning with a heater at 99.

Rajai Davis!!!

Rajai Davis…what’a guy, as I ‘ve said so often here, he makes things happen…
He did gave credit to Anthony Gose for working the walk, that scored the winning run…nice win!

Davis seems like a class act. And he still has his moments, The guy was a greyhound when he was younger.

1. Norris struts his stuff.
2. Defense shines all around.
3. After losing the team no no, the team didn’t die and said, “yes Rajai, yes!”

We’re getting plum good at walk off extras. Hated to lose the gem, but team no hitters aren’t that common. It’s tough for every pitcher to be in that groove for that game. Again, Norris shows that we might have at least broken even in the Price trade; post season will answer that for sure. Throw in Boyd who can be an effective MLB pitcher, and maybe Dave D gets a pass on this one. Kudos to the Pen for no walks. I’ll even hold out hope for Feliz; at least the attitude is good.
Getting excited about the 2015 rotation of Verlander, Sanchez, Norris, Fullmer, and the free agent signee whomever he ends up being. Throw in Boyd as fill in starter and long relief, and we get right back in the hunt. One must remember that one’s quality BP in one year, might be the disaster pen of the next. We are due for a quality pen. Verhagen, Wilson, Hardy, Krol (yes Krol) might already have their tickets punched.
No negative comments; finishing the year in an upbeat mood.

I’m impressed with how Norris has been able to hit his spots. He’s pounding McCann’s mitt most of the time. He’s avoided being hurt much when he gets up in the zone. He’s one guy I wouldn’t trade unless it was an offer too good to refuse.

It seems I should clarify my earlier comment about Comerica’s dimensions. I was agreeing with Henning about the fences being moved in a little, not his reasons (I don’t even remember what his reasons were). I’ve always wanted the fences moved in and have said so here at various times. It would make for a better ballpark. Whether it hurts or helps the Tigers is not really what I was referring to. The team has too many problems to blame it on any one thing anyway.
I will try to express myself better; I’ve been having trouble with that lately.

More home runs could have been scored (Henning’s reasoning). Of course, that means the other team probably hits more home runs. The gaps do provide for hitting more doubles and triples especially when you have speedsters on the bases. It’s still a pitcher’s park unlike some of these bandboxes around the league. I do wish the fans were closer to the game. In the nose bleed seats, it’s like you are a million miles away. I hate those seats sitting so high and so far away from the field.

It is what it is . A win playing a division rival . No complaints from me maybe they do it again tomorrow .

Well, baseball is not HR Derby, it’s about which team scores the most runs. Park configuration figures in, but that outcome changes with playing style/performance. When you add it up, it usually comes down to pitching and hitting. The style of either is secondary to the results.

Yes he did and Gose deserved it. He worked a walk against a pretty tough LHP. I don’t think he could have done that two months ago. Very encouraging stuff we are seeing from Anthony.
Verhagen is a ground ball machine.

Awe Yogi Berra passed away….now that dude was a character in a good way

I read that. Age 90? He was the Master of the Malaprop.

I am excited about what Norris can do in the future, kid has done quite well for us. And I am loving McCann, very solid arm back there. And I agree that Gose is really contributing to the team these days. I think lack of effort says it all – of course is Bruce getting paid to not put in effort? That doesn’t fly at most other jobs!

As of this morning, the Tigers are tied with San Diego for 8th place in the protected draft pick standings (top 10 are included). The White Sox are two back and in the final slot. Boston is 2.5 back.

Miguel is out of the lineup with back issues.

1:00 pm game today,

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