Lobstein Day lineups: Tigers vs. Indians

The Tigers were supposed to face Corey Kluber tonight, but he was scratched with a right hamstring strain. Josh Tomlin, who had all sorts of trouble with the Tigers last year, gets the start in Kluber’s place. He gets a Tigers lineup with Bryan Holaday getting his first start behind the plate since his call-up Tuesday, and Dixon Machado at shortstop in place of injured Jose Iglesias.

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tigerslogoTIGERS (career numbers against Tomlin)

  1. Anthony Gose, CF
  2. Ian Kinsler, 2B (5-for-10, 2 doubles, walk)
  3. Miguel Cabrera, DH 1B (4-for-9, double, HR, 3 walks)
  4. J.D. Martinez, RF (2-for-5, double, walk, 2 K’s)
  5. Victor Martinez, 1B DH (1-for-9, HR, 3 walks, K)
  6. Nick Castellanos, 3B (2-for-8, 2 doubles, 2 K’s)
  7. Tyler Collins, LF
  8. Bryan Holaday, C
  9. Dixon Machado, SS

P: Kyle Lobstein

clevelandlogoINDIANS (career numbers off Lobstein)

  1. Jason Kipnis, 2B (2-for-11, walk, 4 K’s)
  2. Francisco Lindor, SS
  3. Michael Brantley, LF (2-for-8, HR, walk, 2 K’s)
  4. Carlos Santana, DH (4-for-9, HR, 2 walks, 2 K’s)
  5. Yan Gomes, C (1-for-5, 2 K’s)
  6. Chris Johnson, 1B
  7. Abraham Almonte, CF
  8. Jerry Sands, RF (1-for-3)
  9. Giovanny Urshela, 3B

P: Josh Tomlin


Besides Brad not being here next year who else do you think might get traded?

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Frankly, Joe, I’m not sure what they could get for some of the players. Where they might get some return value would be for players you might not want traded. And with the AAA and AA cupboards nearly bare, I am thinking the main approach might have to be free agents. Then that involves Mr. I’s wallet. Somebody has some very tough decisions that may not even be possible until after 2016.

even with Price, Soria and Cespedes gone, they will lose several more of their vets to free agency: Avila, Davis, Simon, Gorzelanny, Wolf?, Nathan. Kinsler could go if Tigers are willing to absorb some of his remaining contract. JD Martinez will begin to cost them considerably more next season. He could go in a blockbuster deal but that seems unlikely at this point.

Well, let’s hope Lobstein Day goes better than Harbaugh Day did yesterday.

Agree Illinoifan. There is not much depth to allow much trading. I like the players we have. DD traded many players I liked. Give away a good player, get a good player. I never got used to that. I have more of a grasp now on how the system works since following this blog. A lot of of knowledgeable baseball people here, me not being one of them. DD was always trying to stay ahead of the curve as far as trading soon to be FA’s and trying to keep the payroll down. But at the same time some of the FA signings ballooned the payroll. Counterproductive. Seems like that has been the story. And his trades appear to have emptied the system of much young talent. The team needs for 2016 at the very least 2SP, 2BP, and a LF. Others have already pointed that out. Will require FA signings. Maybe a prospect or two will step up as well. It’s really a necessity. Anyone here have an idea how Tiger’s scouts compare to other teams’? Seems like I remember El T posting a site. Just wondering if the cupboard was not getting restocked well enough enough due to poor draft picks and this caught up to DD.

Regarding JD. If you have a guy who is one of your strongest production players, plays excellent D, and is a fan favorite why would you consider trading him? How could that make your team any better? Now you have to back fill his position.

Yeah. It’s a no-doubter in my mind, too.

Hohum baseball.

5th inning almost time to turn this one off. 4-0. And the hitters have made another Cy Young our office Tomlin. I hate watching bunch of losers who obviously don’t give a crap

The over-under is 10 runs given up. It could go either way at this point

Good night!

Thanks for the link El T.

No offense intended, but anyone who has been looking for winning baseball is deluded and should turn it off and go watch people who “give a crap” on local TV with Gk. All this is about is giving people a chance to see what they might be able to do for next season and beyond. This thing has been a no-brainer since Miggy was hurt. And, yes, I commented to that effect back then. Check the Archives. back t

Pretty much what I thought also. Take a look at any kids and mail it in. 2015 was history long ago for the Tigers . Sad but true .

They make way too much money to mail it in.

I’ve been looking for effort I’ve been looking for some sign I’ve seen absolutely nothing…including heart and with all do respect to you regardless of trades or injuries it shouldn’t take away from effort. There is still a very high payroll for this bunch and they should be a little competitive and they’re not. They should be embarrassed

And by the way Darling I’ve had season tickets since I think 2005 I put my money where my mouth is. I just can’t get behind this bunch even in 2008 when they came in.last they had heart and there was effort.

Just noticed Chicago shutting out KC….KC now facing decent pitching…and it shows.
Smarter pitching, smarter coaches……smarter results. Note: the highlights of this
game, is the newcomer Machado, we need a new lineup with newer faces…
This lineup is tired and needs to be put to sleep for the rest of the season.

And yes. I have commented since ST that I like what Valdez has to offer despite negative retorts. He’s not ready yet, but he is getting there The kid has stuff..

So , anyway. It’s the same team and so some of my comments are also the same. I guess it’s nice to see I am occassionally right.

Go Valdez!

How could DD let the Starting pitching staff go from best to worst? It’s unbelievable that he could NOT find the correct pieces for a broken bullpen staff over the past 4-5 years. Pitching is what needs attention over the off-season! Offensively, they need a CF/LF leadoff batter type who can get on base and create an early run for the advantage the presumed “young” Starting staff will need. This has been an incredibly “ugly” year for Tiger fans!

1. Machado.
2. Verhagen.
3. Indians don’t get 10.
It just breaks my heart on a nightly basis.

I’m not well versed in the draft, but it appears to me that it’s better at this point to lose games than to win them.

Indeed, the top 10 pick are guaranteed.
Last top 5 pick: Justin Verlander( 2 nd, Tower went with Matt Bush).Last top 10: Crawford. Before him:Jacob turner, Miller and Maybin
I guess MLB wont apreciate losing on purpose

Holy Toledo! Where are our Relievers in 2015? We complained about Joba’s 3.57 ERA last year. Soria was 4.91 with the Tigers. Coke was 3.88. And we thought they were terrible in 2014. This year, Closer Rondon is 6.56 in 27 games. In terms of Starter wins, our Ace is Simon with 11 wins and a 5.09 ERA. Our second best is HR Derby Sanchez with 10 wins and a 4.99 ERA.

Verhagen is certainly enhancing his chances for next season. Machado with a strong September could claim Romine’s utility role. Perhaps they’ll take another look at Marte to see how/if he fits into next season’s plans.
it’s going to be interesting to see what Avila’s team building style is. Dombrowski liked to get a jump on the market with those aggressive early offseason moves. as Avila worked behind the scenes, difficult to say how much he agreed with that approach.

Certainly not saying they should lose on purpose. Just continuing what they’ve been doing should do the trick. I think they can also sign a QO FA without surrendering a pick? All part of the reboot. Seems that there’s no point in complaining about lost games.

Yes, first pick guaranteed means they keep their top draft pick even if the sign a FA that received a QO. They would surrender a second or beyond draft pick depending on how many FA with QO they sign

Agree Woody. Machado will be worth watching. Marte could be a good bench player. Machado gets a long look with Iglesias out for 2 weeks or entire season. “Just continuing what they’ve been doing should do the trick”. Good one Rich. With all the young callups trying to make an impression I don’t think anyone’s going to try to lose. But as Rich has said, they don’t have to try. I have to admit, cause it’s in my blog record, that I naively held out hope after Miggy’s injury, and even after the deadline giveaways….er trades. It’s a character flaw I’m working on. I think after this season I’ll be cured.

From one of my favorite baseball writtings:
“All baseball fans believe in miracles; the question is, how many do you believe in?”

Marty, regarding the “giveaways” … You might be interested in an article by James Schmehl of MLive, dated 8-28-15. It is entitled, “Analysis: Reexamining the Tigers’ decision to trade David Price, Yoenis Cespedes.”

I’ll give it a read but off the top of my head those trades may be the salvation of a pitching staff gone awry. It was at least getting something out of the free agent mess we were in.

Verhagen at least “looks” like he may be able to pitch. The other stuff that is being paraded up from the minors is very discouraging.

I’ve come around to thinking that the trades might be a blessing in disguise. Looks like we might have picked up some good young players. I could have better written, “we gave up any hopes for the post season” when we traded those guys away. I say we when ‘we’ had nothing to do with it. In light of later injuries to Sanchez, Norris,now Jose, VMart’s struggles, realistically we would never have had a chance. So it looks much better now. I don’t like giving up and I do like to complain.

But you create an alternate reality by not making those trades, so those things don’t necessarily happen. Especially the Norris injury. 🙂 Don’t second guess yourself; your opinion at the time was valid.

The good the bad and the ugly.
Iggy played pain-free from a worrisome injury and played well.
JV not finished yet
Firing DD
Nick getting better, bit by bit.

Victor. Seems like he is so brittle he hurts himself in training season
AA. Nuff said.
Brad Ausmus’ managing and handling of players.
Starting rotation
Gose/ Rajai platoon idea
Bruce Rondon not becoming the fearsome entity he was hyped up to be. One wonders if not for Bruce would Dombrowski perhaps paid a bit more attention to things?

The bullpen.
The farm system.
Team base-running even with a base-running coach
The way the team has become dispirited. Totally disrespectful of its fans.

Lineup vs. CLE: Davis 8, Kinsler 4, Cabrera 3, J.D. Martinez 9, V. Martinez DH, Castellanos 5, Collins 7, McCann 2, Romine 6. Simon starts

Good game, to the bench

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