Wednesday’s lineups: Tigers at Royals

 Alex Avila gets the start behind the plate, batting ninth and catching Randy Wolf. It’s just Avila’s sixth start at catcher in the Tigers’ last 32 games.

On the Kansas City side, it’s a fitting day for the Royals to give a first start to Jonny Gomes, who has more hits against Wolf (12) than the rest of the Royals roster combined (eight).


  1. Anthony Gose, CF (3-for-7, 2 walks, 4 K’s)
  2. Ian Kinsler, 2B (5-for-11, double, walk, K)
  3. Miguel Cabrera, 1B (1-for-5, walk, K)
  4. J.D. Martinez, RF (3-for-8, double, 4 walks, 2 K’s)
  5. Victor Martinez, DH (4-for-10, 2 HR, 2 walks, 2 K’s)
  6. Nick Castellanos, 3B (1-for-9, 2 K’s)
  7. Tyler Collins, LF (2-for-5, walk, K)
  8. Jose Iglesias, SS (1-for-6, K)
  9. Alex Avila, C (0-for-4, 2 walks, 2 K’s)

P: Randy Wolf

ROYALS (career numbers off Wolf)

  1. Alcides Escobar, SS (1-for-3)
  2. Ben Zobrist, 2B (0-for-3, K)
  3. Lorenzo Cain, CF
  4. Eric Hosmer, 1B (1-for-3)
  5. Kendrys Morales, DH
  6. Jonny Gomes, RF (12-for-23, double, 2 HR, walk, 2 K’s)
  7. Salvador Perez, C
  8. Cheslor Cuthbert, 3B
  9. Paulo Orlando, LF

P: Yordano Ventura


Gose started the season at age 24. This is his 4th MLB year, but only the first season he has really had an opportunity to play. As expected, Gose has made mistakes. To develop, he has to play through them to get better and eventually actualize his potential. I have read comments calling for Bernard to play CF. He too entered the season at age 24. The thing is, he gets to develop and work through his mistakes at Double A, where we don’t have to watch him flail and fail.

And frankly, I don’t think Gose has been the reason why the Tigers are not winning and I don’t think he should be made a scapegoat. The guy is hitting .286 with 15 SBs from the leadoff spot. His 19 total SBs put him at 6th in the AL and he can cover. If Gose is not better and more consistent by this time next season, beers for everyone!

Darlene- Gose is not the entirely the reason this team is doing so badly…Your stats
are beautiful and that’s all…he’s the leadoff, they’re are supposed to find a way to get on…to rattle the opposing team somehow…he hasn’t stimulated that position..
Kinsler has that ingrediance….Cabrera gets his one hit and keeps up his batting
average….but torwards the end, when it really counts…he hasn’t done the job…
neither has Victor…really bad performance ….the only guys that are reliable, have been Kinsler, J.D. and Nick…McCann is a comer, Iggy should be leading off, but has done,
a good job under the circumstances…Avila hasn’t really been effective at all…
This KC team is presently having batting practice…Wolf is not the answer either…
I can’t believe Tiger pitching is so bad… this the best they have? NO, GOSE,
….Ausmus just came out to talk to the pitcher, prior to a 3 run homer
by Morales….. 9-0 KC
This KC announcer is pissing me off with his gloating….

Nice to see you have patience with him. And you are correct.
As to Bernard, I just want to see what he’s got going on. I figured Rajai would be gone and we would need a RHB.
Alex getting a start today. That’s probably good. And hopefully good for James too. He has not seemed to be squaring up much lately.
Boy do they ever baby Joe Jimenez’ big right arm. He seems to pitch an inning every 3-5 days. No back-to-back appearances since the opening of the season.

Gose does seem to have a lot to learn. Some guys are just natural ball-players with instinctive baseball intelligence. Anthony has to work at it I think.
Great arm but misses the cut-off or relay man more than he should. A little “dreamy” on the base paths. Front shoulder not “in” on his swing.
All these things are “learnable” and in no way am I blaming him for what has happened with our Tigers this year. Nor any other player.

Dean Greene out for the season

Not Gose or any other single player is a scapegoat for anything. I took a lighthearted shot at Anthony in the previous thread because he played probably his worst ball after I complimented him. I like the kid. Maybe I jinxed him.

My comment wasn’t a shot at you or anyone else. People are entitled to their opinions and I’m actually kinda startled when someone on this blog sees things similarly to me. But I definitely respect a reasoned opinion, even when I don’t share it.

Indians (Francona) pulled Trevor Bauer after 1 1/3 IP. He noticed his starter didn’t have it and he did something about it. Novel idea.

Bob, Did you see that super heads-up play by Donaldson? (Tagged up on a pop-up to the MIDDLE of the field to Kipnis.)
Everything the Jays do now seems to be the right thing. They are playing beautiful inspired baseball and as a “team”.
It’s pretty to watch.

No Dan. Missed it. Will have to catch the highlights.
– Bob

You knew after JD didn’t get the run in Victor certainly wouldn’t.

Batting. 115 over laser 7 games. 179 over last 30. Please don’t let him play anyone including Avila is going to be better than him at least alex walks Victor does nothing Rajai anyone please

Yes. Victor. I hope they can figure out what is wrong with him. He has a contract for 3 more years? Right now it doesn’t appear he has that much left in him.

They really need to think about Victor this month. If they don’t they may be thinking about him all next year.
Shut him down.
Is there an award for top GM?
If there is there is no way Alex Anthopolous doesn’t win it it would be a travesty.
Getting Donaldson, Smoak, Travis, Estrada and Russell Martin before the season and Price, Tulo, Revere, Lowe and Hawkins at the deadline? Brilliant.

Yes. AA is the front-runner

Game over: 1-23 when trailing after one inning

Really? 1 & 23! Yikes.
For me—let me see how Moya does.

AA with a little help from DD and Billy Beane

Sure I’ll take the strike out king Moya over Victor.

He’s struck out 169 times this year. Yikes

JD had a similar rate in the Minors before fixing his swing. Still SO a lot. Im not implying he will ne the next JD

Maxy: 21 HR allowed


Nice going ump ….missed 3rd strike call (was for Ian) next pitch homer thanks dip$hit

2 pitches in that AB not strikes. Must be nice to be a pitcher for KC

Miggy asked to get ejected. That ball was in the grid. Players and his manager came out to take care of the situation. In the end, KC sez “thank you” to Miggy.

When I say “in the grid”, I am referring to the one shown on Gameday as well as to the one on the KC video feed.

It was pulled back in grid by catcher. Not a strike. Not to mention there is a very different strike zone for 2 pitchers

Done…….Wolf having a bad night and the hitters can’t do anything.

The situation screamed Ausmus to pull Wolf when Cain came up, actually before .
Ausmus has no clue how to manage his pitching staff.
He may be the worst manager in baseball.
It was crystal clear Wolf had nothing

Here is one I just heard. Iggy has the best BA in MLB with 2 strikes, at over .300.

I do like Guido’s name.

After the game, the tragic number will be 11

Another first….Couthbert hits his first homer in the majors….Thanks Knudson…..
Jeff Jones…came out prior to another hit (triple by Orlando)…slaughter continues,
12-0…KC anouncer gloating even more….Still no one out….
Sad, very sad!

I quit watching this game because of the homeplate umpire long before Miggy was ejected. It’s now a movie night.

All this jackin’ about umps, If Wolfe got screwed, does it mean the umps don’t like him becuz his older brother is an ump in MLB?

Avila must call it a season….it’s a wasted at bat……

Avila-3Ks in 3 ABs with 2 PBs. 2011 almost seems like it never happened for him.

This “team” stinks! When pitching (not often) then no clutch hitting; when hitting (not often), then no solid pitching! Avila for 2016, please address SP (x2-3), bullpen professionals that can get outs, LF, CF and solid bat from bench!!

Another game that is very hard to watch . The front office needs to figure this out before Lakeland . This year is shot and it wont get much better.

Wolf can’t live at the top of the strike zone against any team, except maybe the Tigers. This game was framed from Zobrist’s homer in the first. Normally, I watch all the way through; misery loves company; I quit in the fifth for this game and missed nothing. Ventura needs a big attitude adjustment before next season; I’ve rally tried to give Blue the break if he is consistent, but that day is done; worst year I have ever seen for plate calling.
1. Farmer
2. Gorzo?
3. ?
Welcome to the Bigs Guido. I’m sorry to say that your time hasn’t come yet. Lot’s negatives.

Well, the Tigers had something going in the 1st inning and left runners in scoring position. Nothing new for this team.

Did I say shut Victor down?
That last at bat was one of the most discouraging signs of giving up I have ever seen. It was very sad to see Victor succumb to this team-wide malaise. He has always been one of the best players in the game when it comes to stepping up to the plate.
Don’t keep putting him through this, it will make an indelible mark on him and like t or not he is here for another THREE years.

If he is playing under the stress a lot of pain, or if he is aggravating the knee yes. But this is a time of adversity for all these guys. You learn much more about life and yourself dealing with adversity than you do when things are going well. We don’t like it but we all know it’s true. Now is the time for these Tigers to step up and play hard and focused regardless of the outcome. I want to see who has a desire to win. At this point it does come down to individual performance. Because you can’t control what other players are doing. You play by example with a healthy kind of pride. Not false pride which is useless and counterproductive. Kinsler is the top example on the team of playing with the good kind of pride. Most of the other position players are as well. They are trying, though sometimes unfocused. It happens when you fall behind 3-0, 4-0, 6-0, etc. before the 2nd or 3rd inning. That’s a lack of SP issue.

Miguel’s AB was a disgusting example of how bad home plate umpiring has been. He was totally shafted. That said, all he needed to do was turn and give the umpire one quick “says it all” kind of look and walk to the dugout. That would have been an example of better leadership. In other words he had the right to be disgusted but the higher ground example for the rest of the team would have been to let it go.
If Victor insists on continuing to bat, he needs to stay focused and be an example for the young players. The problem is deeper because he can’t run any more, teams play shifts against him, and pitchers pitch to those shifts. He gets no cheap hits, no infield hits. And he hasn’t gotten many breaks. But the adversity is still no excuse for him. He has to set a positive example because he is a leader.
The pitching will continue to disappoint I fear. Some of these guys are not ready, some may never be ready. Just got to appreciate the positives when they come. That said, last night I watched most of the game, and was disgusted about 95% of the time. They have to figure out how to play better even in losing causes. If you haven’t watched “The Natural” at least 5 times you should watch it.

Nice Marty. I think it is a logical conclusion that Victor is physically unable to perforj better at this stage. I say that because there simply can’t be any other reason—he is too much of a naturally gifted hitter to be otherwise. Therefore—-rest him. This last month means little to the team anyway. He is just going to either aggravate himself physically or just put himself into an off season of doubt and worry.

Marty, I agree that the plate ump was inconsistent. But, Miggy’s called strike was legit according to the grid on Gameday as well as the grid displayed on the KC feed. All Miggy did was make a bad situation worse by needlessly getting tossed. KC probably sent him a thank you note after the game.

And I obviously agree with you about how Miggy should have handled the situation, regardless if he was right or wrong.

Geez Tiger fans, this is just getting harder and harder to watch. I had it on for a while as I did some paperwork last night, looked up and realized how quickly out of hand it got. The team just looks “done” all in their own ways, their body language, etc. I would want to be done too, but of course I tune in just in case. There is a slump and there is a slump and this has just been horrible. A few weeks back after a 2 game winning streak Gibby said all they need is a run of 6 out of 7 games won to get right back in it – unfortunately they did the opposite. My blue-jay loving husband meanwhile is digging his season, glad someone is!

I think your assessment is correct Dan. There really is no other explanation. Will involve some soul searching and communication between him and management. Whatever is the right call. I do believe that September is important to the team in that they could use some positives going into the winter. Something to build on for 2016 and to find out who in the system might be ready. Probably not too many. I didn’t see the gameday grid Darline. I wanted to but Tiger broadcast never showed it. Watching the compressed telephoto lens view from OF camera always amplifies ball movement. Still Ventura had a lot of late movement with ball darting in and out of the zone. Tough job for HP ump. It seemed even more so on Miguel’s AB. Bottom line, he should have let it go. I think he knows that after having some time to think. He’s an intelligent man with a big heart. He’ll learn from this.

Some folks are wanting Victor to be shut down for the rest of the season. Victor is not physically limping as far as I can tell, like he previously did when they finally put him on the DL. He might just be going through a terrible slump like he went through before when he returned from an injury. If he is injured, he needs to tell someone for the good of the team.

Wagner suggested addingg Greene to the 60 days DL.Instead , the Tigers outrighted Zeid. Is there anything behind that choice?

Sometimes service time plays into it, especially with a player who has gone back and forth multiple times.

Dan has offered a viable speculation. You may be right as well Kathy. How can we know anything when news is not forthcoming? It could be a combination of the two of your thoughts. When the body is down the spirit goes with it. VMart battling injury and soreness on top of just plain having the most trying season hitting he has ever had in his career. The tank may be empty. A compromise might work. Give him some rest. Allow him to play every other day. Try to break the cycle. Anything. Keep him involved. A total shutdown is not needed given the expanded roster. No need to take him off of it.

That’s true—if it is true. The trouble with management though is they tend to play a guy like Victor out of loyalty and respect maybe more than practicality.

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