Sunday’s lineups: Tigers at Blue Jays

The long-discussed swap in the cleanup spot is here, with Victor Martinez and J.D. Martinez flipped in the batting order. Rajai Davis gets another start against former Jays teammate Mark Buehrle. Anthony Gose is back in center. He apologized to Buck Farmer for his gaffe yesterday, which you’ll read shortly.

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tigers1957logoTIGERS (career numbers against Buehrle)

  1. Rajai Davis, LF (6-for-20, triple, 3 K’s)
  2. Ian Kinsler, 2B (6-for-22, double, HR, walk, 3 K’s)
  3. Miguel Cabrera, 1B (10-for-31, 2 doubles, 4 walks, K)
  4. J.D. Martinez, RF (3-for-5, 2 doubles, 2 K’s)
  5. Victor Martinez, DH (28-for-78, 2 doubles, 4 HR, 2 walks, 7 K’s)
  6. Nick Castellanos, 3B (1-for-2, K)
  7. James McCann, C
  8. Jose Iglesias, SS (1-for-3, K)
  9. Anthony Gose, CF

P: Alfredo Simon

jayscanadalogoBLUE JAYS (career numbers off Simon)

  1. Ben Revere, LF (0-for-5, K)
  2. Josh Donaldson, 3B (0-for-0, walk)
  3. Jose Bautista, RF (3-for-8, double, HR, K)
  4. Edwin Encarnacion, DH (2-for-8, double, 3 K’s)
  5. Troy Tulowitzki, SS (2-for-5)
  6. Justin Smoak, 1B (0-for-1)
  7. Russell Martin, C (1-for-12, double, 2 walks, 2 K’s)
  8. Kevin Pillar, CF
  9. Ryan Goins, 2B

P: Mark Buehrle


Finally, Victor dropped

Surprise! For me anyway. Batting first, Gose has a BA of .283 and an OBP of .326 with 15 SBs in 65 games. By comparison, Davis as leadoff has a BA of .233 and an OBP of .297 with 12 SBs in 48 games.

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Quality AB by Miguel????????

After having 7 games with 2 hits, Miggy has gone into a slump.

He sure is having AB’s like he could care less.
Zero pride zero respect

Well it is gonna be a miracle for Simon to get past the 4th and hold the Jays to single digits.
The ABs by Rajai and Miggy were disgusting.
I’d like to at least see a fight in the dugout.
Ausmus is now the manager of a bad baseball team. How dya like me now!!!

It’s like Miggy, VMart and McCann are weak hitting those fly balls.

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Almost like they know what is coming isn’t it?

Thank goodness the “Big Bore” is a free agent and hopefully gone next year.
David Price must be the happiest late season tradee in baseball.

I’m not so sure Avila can fix this. In fact I don’t think anyone other than Illitch and a 300 million payroll can turn this club around

Yes, it has reached the incredulous stage. Or is it incredible. We are running out of words to describe this disastrous catastrophe.

If you are a FA, would you want to sign with a team that is such a mess? This is like going back before they signed Ivan Rodriguez.

Pitching is clearly a ginormous problem. Hitters are too….lack of character is quite clear

I shouldn’t compare this team to 2003. There are some quality players here now but there is no solid leadership from the manager. I think they should replace Ausmule and see what a new leader can do for the team in September.

Ausmus and the coaching staff look clueless . The players look like they don’t care either . Why should they care they get paychecks either way . I would expect attendance at Comerica to be way down in September .

Like they know what is coming

Done……I think there’s something fishy going on. And the tiger’s don’t care enough to put up any fight….just taking it. Like I said zero character

What do you suspect is going on?

And there’s miggy patting pillar on the back. Nope doesn’t care.

Illinoifan, to answer your question re FA, no I would not.

Illitch would have to offer some big $$$ to a FA and the rumor is he is zipping shut his wallet.

Jays announcers think Buhrle is throwing well. The fact is Dave Rozema could get the Tigers out right now.

I think our new CEO can’t wait till the end of the season. The first to go the manager. Then the bullpen.

They can only do so much with trades unless they move someone you really don’t want to move such as Miggy, JD, Kinsler. To me that means there has to be FAs involved to plug the gaps.

How much is Illich paying Prince right now to play for the Rangers?….Part of the (ah……his) problem.

Nothing .
6 MM /year 2016-20

Verhagen looks very good…just a matter of time they’ll mess him up as well.

Anybody else looking forward to watching Victor earn $30,000 per AB the next THREE years?

Like so many others, Rondon does not seem to be the answer.

Before signing FA or making trades , you need a manager. Time to begin the auditions.

Thanks ElT. Figured it was more than that. Still, 6 mil is not nothing. 30 mil total. I’ll take that nothing. The Toronto nightmare is over. Humbling experience. Is that what they call running into a buzz saw? There’s another troubling contract Dan.

Sorry, nothing right now. They will begin paying next year

Yes. Would be fair and wise to allow the new manager input in the process.

Wynton Bernard needs to play CF in September.

2016-2020. 5 seasons correct? 30 Mil.


Maybe Victor can improve his performance by getting healthy again. But they do need a stronger bench in case he needs some days off. .
If you assume Mr. I had a hand in signing Prince and approved his trade to Texas, then he knew it was going to cost him that $30 million. The situation at the time made it look good to acquire Kinsler. It may have saved Cabrera over the long haul to move back to 1st base.

For those who have never been around a buzz saw, Toronto gave it’s best impersonation that has been seen. 0-7 for RISP’s; Homer after homer for three games; starting pitching nowhere to be found; last place becoming our ultimate destiny; one pitching staff, especially the pen, totally dominate over the other; Championship quality defense in all thee games; from them. That’s most of the bad.
1. Verhagen’s continuing evolution as a dependable arm.
2. Nick gives it all in his AB’s.
3. The Jays were hld to single digit runs.
72 wins might be a stretch.

This is what a post-deadline selling team looks like. A lot of fans wanted this, and for reasons I can’t fathom. Now we all suffer.

It wasn’t the fans (and never has been) that bear the responsibility for the demise of this team.
There is no way in hell that Ausmus will survive to fulfill his contract. He will likely end up a footnote as a manager. He may as well use his third year of his contract to take his wife and daughters and take a world wide tour before this war-torn planet is destroyed.
That sounded rather glum. I think I know why I am feeling that way.

Yep, we are all suffering. When that many key players are ripped from the team you have to be ready for the consequences. Tiger fans are hurting while DD is all comfy-cozy with his new position. DD better learn to be Boston Strong, if he doesn’t make that team a winner the fans will chew him up and spit him out.
Sure the Tigers looked pathetic against the Jays, but with the streak the Jays are on it would have been hard for any team to have won against them. It was just their weekend, the baseball gods said so.

I hear what you are saying Kate but it is not like the Jays are invincible. The Rangers beat them holding them to 1 run just 3 days ago and the the hitters looked perplexed.
In other words there is no excuse for palying so poorly against them.
The Detroit Tigers that we have invested our emotions in are a huge disappointment. Dombrowsi is a brilliant GM. He was able to convince everyone in the baseball world that he was a slick baseball guy that was inhibited by a meddling owner. He milked the situation to the bone and came away unscathed. I fault him for not standing up to his boss and blame him directly for the “suffering” of the fans. DD knows how to land on his feet and while that is very admirable in one respect it also led to negative nexus in the organization.
I am glad to see him go. He was getting arrogant and stale. Brad Ausmus is next. There is zero probability he will manage a third year.
Al Avila needs to step up and do something remarkable (other than let his son go) and prove he is something more than a yes man.
The Detroit fans deserve more than they have been given.
It will not be easy as there are some very encumbering contracts that will get in the way.

What is happening is the inevitable result of the decisions management made in the final week of July. The outrage should have taken place then. I’m kind of surprised to see it now. And I must make clear I’m not addressing any particular person. This is just a general comment.

That’s the way I see it Rich. No sense in getting chippy with each other now. Unless there is a disguised owner or GM on this blog, ain’t much we can do about it but just discuss. Regardless of individual positions, we’re all just spectators here. Done got our lunches stolen by the big bully on the school bus.

Two in distress make sorrow less. The biggest payroll in MLB. 170 MM over the luxury tax. Being no hit twice in a week, priceless
Right now, thier draft pick is guaranteed. They can sign a top FA without losing it. of course, the last time they used it to sign Jacob Turner( Shelby Miller 19, Trout 25 in the draft)
Are they tanking? I don think so.Wear and tear is normal in August. Some of them never played a full season before, other are recovering from injuries. And playing for nothing do the rest.
The batting practice by the pitchers is not helping the hitters either
Maybe, just maybe, some of them want to go. And would fell better in Boston or another team not retooling
And for the press critizicing them and a good deal of the fans , those that wanted a sale and are complaining , you cant say but it is happening ” Because you asked for it”

I’m not sure which Tigers team commenters recall. The one I remember going into the deadline had one of the worst, if not worst record in MLB following the first 2 weeks.of the season. With an 8-game(?) losing streak thrown in. Faced with losing 3 free agents and getting little or nothing for them at the end of the year, I think DD did the only reasonable thing by acquiring talent to restock the organization and/or use as trade bait. By so doing, he also cleared salary to retool.

As it stands, the Tigers have a good core and are only a few pitchers and maybe an OFer away from being in the hunt. Assuming Mr. I goes to the luxury tax level, that leaves $50M for FAs. And if Mr.I wants to go higher (the Dodgers are at $300M), he certainly has the bucks to do that. Plus, a new local TV contract is on the horizon to help with salaries, not to mention the savings from moving the Big 3 (a bit under $20M).

Lastly, no one wants the Tigers to stink, but stinking they are and were, regardless. At least now there is hope for the future.

The DD dump of players certainly is one topic that all of us can ponder & comment about for months. It is like a jury room discussion.
ElT had a point regarding the team tanking, they are used to being in the playoffs, so maybe playing for nothing has done some mental damage. I do think they care and I think we will still see some good games from them to finish out the season. Looking forward to seeing Verlander again.

ElT, very insightful points. It’s a gift. One paragraph and you’ve perfectly painted the picture. Couldn’t agree more Kate. Darline, while we are in different camps regarding the mid season trades, I agree with what you have above stated, considering the present reality. What’s done is done. Time to move forward in a positive way. We have gained some good young players. I needed some kind of change anyway. With DD gone it begins. Maybe a youth movement with some wise and prudent FA signings, weighted more toward attitude than talent. Need a guy or two who knows how to win and could impart that to the young players. Of course we need more pitching. But we’ve seen some progress there. VerHagen looks good. Hardy has matured into a mentally tough young pitcher. Love his poker face. Wilson, Norris, Boyd, and of course Verlander and AlAl. This team is better than they’re playing right now. Kind of tough when you have one reliable starter………maybe two with Wolf.


Spending money might not even be a fix…Victor $16 mil, Nathan $11 mil, JV $26 mil….and what are you getting for your money?

Go to Cot’s Contracts and you will see the salary structure for the next several years. The Tigers should be around $50M under the cap, after Avila, Davis and Simon become FAs. Figure in the money saved from moving Price, Cespedes and Soria (under $20M) and that’s lots of available bucks. Plus, Mr. I is loaded and can spend as much as he wants. The Dodgers payroll is at $300M. Mr. I doesn’t have to go there, but he could if he wanted, especially with a new TV deal on the horizon. That deal has been estimated to bring in $100M, but who knows for sure. The only real issue is how high Mr.I wants to go. He bought the franchise for $82M in 1992. Its value was estimated by Forbes at $1.125B last March.

As with everything else in this disastrous season, the timing was terrible for the trip to Toronto. Are they tanking? They did this weekend. They got beat down badly. It was every bit Bob’s predicted blood bath. We’ll see how they do going forward. Sometimes the September call-ups bring some life if not necessarily wins.
I admit to being a little touchy about blaming this on the players. It would be a good time for our fans to step forward and support this bedraggled group.

When the Tigers aren’t on I watch the local team, the Nationals. I wouldn’t wish that on anybody. Watching that club’s awful hitting approach is enough to bring tears to my eyes.

Are the Nats a chemistry thing, too. Like us, they were the top pick on paper. Oh, how I wish we could have played a few on paper.

A really big piece of paper:-)

Paper Tigers and all that………….

Austin Jackson signed by the Cubs. I was thinking the Cubs would have been interested in Rajai.

Jackson has better numbers and he was playing in a pitcher freindly park. Besides that he can play CF and give some rest to the future Tiger , Fowler

Future Tiger?

He is one of the best options in the price range of the Tigers after signing 2 SP and two BP arms.

Apropos to not much of anything here in 2015, but I hear that MLB is on the verge of reinstating Shoeless Joe Jackson. I’m all for that.

Of course, Jays 2- Cleveland 3 with one to play Just after the Tigers left town

It is because the Tribe had a major league pitcher in Salazar. Something the Tigers did not offer up this past weekend. Good pitching can stop good hitting.
– Bob

Rich, we were suffering before the trade deadline. I don’t know about you, but I can get behind a team playing to or above their potential.
It’s been 2-3 years since that has happened in Detroit. If we are being honest, besides the first 2 weeks did you actually feel the team was capable of a deep October run?
Hopefully the deadline deals adds a bit more potential for next year. We just need to find a new coaching staff or dynamic to reach the potential next year. I am hopeful. Who knows what happens with a new manager, a new frontline pitcher or 2, and some outfielders.

“Potential” is a subjective term. I was just following the season as usual, not suffering. My comments throughout the first four months reflected that outlook. Seems like the “sell” people didn’t consider the team could buy instead. Either way, we’re in the same boat in 2016, so why not take your last shot this year?
I don’t know when I became the standard bearer for trying to win it this year, but I’m glad to see Jason has put in a new blog entry today. We’re just repeating ourselves.

If we are looking for something dynamic then that leaves Brad out for sure.

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