Saturday’s lineups: Tigers at Blue Jays

Brad Ausmus has talked earlier this week about getting a day off for J.D. Martinez. That day is today. Tyler Collins gets the start in right field, while Rajai Davis remains to chase after drives to left. Miguel Cabrera is designated to hit, with Victor Martinez starting at first base against Drew Hutchison, pride of Lakeland Senior High School.

Today is an MLB Network broadcast for those watching outside the Detroit market.

Gameday | TV: MLB Network, FSD, MLB.TV | Radio: 97.1 FM, AM 1270, Gameday Audio

tigerhitterlogoTIGERS (career numbers off Hutchison)

  1. Anthony Gose, CF (2-for-2)
  2. Ian Kinsler, 2B (2-for-10, double, 2 K’s)
  3. Miguel Cabrera, DH (2-for-5, 2 K’s)
  4. Victor Martinez, 1B (4-for-6, double)
  5. Nick Castellanos, 3B (1-for-2)
  6. Tyler Collins, RF
  7. James McCann, C
  8. Jose Iglesias, SS (0-for-1)
  9. Rajai Davis, LF

P: Buck Farmer

jaylogoBLUE JAYS

  1. Troy Tulowitzki, SS
  2. Josh Donaldson, 3B
  3. Jose Bautista, RF
  4. Edwin Encarnacion, DH
  5. Justin Smoak, 1B
  6. Russell Martin, C (1-for-3, double, K vs. Farmer)
  7. Ben Revere, LF
  8. Kevin Pillar, CF
  9. Ryan Goins, 2B

P: Drew Hutchison


I wonder aloud if Rajai might get claimed and dealt before Tuesday.

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Well, that didn’t take long. So now what? Another loss already?

Let the blood bath begin

1-21 when behind after one inning

Hutchinson: RS /GS 6.9. RS /IP 7

Buck “not ready for the Bigs” Farmer has a pitch count into the 40’s still in the 2nd inning! Meanwhile, the Tigers face “CY” Hutchison just called back up. This season has been the ugliest since the 109 loss season. I wouldn’t want the mess Dumbroski created.

None of the kids are ready. They are just gaining experience at the MLB level. Hopefully they will be ready by 2016, but 2017 seems more likely.In the meantime, don’t expect too much. Ace Sanchez and some of the other vets are the ones who griped me. But, I’m almost ready to give Sanchez a pass for this season in light of his recently disclosed physical problems. Presumably he just tried to soldier thru his issues and paid the price.

Brutal inning. Rajai looks like he has given up. Didin’t run out sun fly to Bautista.
Goes in standing (yes I know it worked but it is not the way to play).
Miggy very disappointing at bat at a time where he could have put his team back in the game.

I think its’ time for Miguel to stop show-boating…just his mannerism shows that his head is not in the game…here I am attitude….his hits don’t seem to matter, just to him. Say goodbye to Miguel,.. especially now, when the team is crap…

“CY” Hutchison , I called that 10 days ago

I can excuse some things from Gose, but not a mental error like he just made.

Sloth, indolence, stupidity, carelessness.
A good manager does not let this kind of attitude and play contaminate his ball club.
Ausmus is as good as gone.

at least he kept the ball

The sooner the better as there is no fire in this team’s heart! It might be time for a SS as our next manager or a fiery guy like Gibby?

I don’t think they would consider Gibby. Sad to say, but the Parkinson’s would likely not make managing a team a viable one.
Where is the character on the team? Victor has all but disappeared. Casty is back to bad habits. Gose has his head up his bum in the field, at the plate and on the base paths. Kinsler is about the only guy right now that is playing like he believes in himself.
Well, JV too.
This game is an utter travesty.

The window has closed and with Dombrowski out the door, Avila will need some outstanding talent evaluators at his beckon call to revamp the team and the farm system. As many said it was sad to see the “retooling” by Dumbrowski and the trades have seem to take the life out of the team for good.

The Jays fans are having a ball. Can you blame them?

No. It’s electric in Toronto. It wasn’t so long ago when I had fun watching the Tigers. I guess that’s why I could never understand the constant griping by fans. I figured a sense of appreciation was more in order. But now, the whining doesn’t seem so inappropriate.

By far the worst game I have had to ever sit through live. Just brutal
– Bob

Tiger pitching just gave up 7 homers in two games…three today(maybe 4) by one guy…..

Now this is a slaughter. Why can’t Ausmule be FIRED today? It’s beyond obvious that he has lost control of this team. Why put everyone through another month? How about co-managers for September? Trammell can get their spirits up and Gibby can kick their a$$e$.

It’s the last straw for me.

I’m surprised they lasted as long as they did post-deadline. Imagine you go into your workplace one morning and the boss says “I’ve decided that we can’t possibly accomplish what we’re trying to do here. I have fired our best workers and will replace them with interns. Now let’s get to work.”
How good of a job could you do after that?

You earn your very large paycheck and stop acting like a bunch of children

I wasn’t watching, but I understand Gose lost track of how many outs. This happens, and more often then you might think. It only stands out when that “third” out is hit to the guy who forgot.

Hey Rich, It happens, but not in major league baseball….There are signs all over the freeking stadium “2Outs” in big letters. Oh, he’s still young and learning….give him
time…..there are many young talened players just waiting to jump into his shoes.


It DOES happen in major league baseball.

Yes, it happens to the Tigers! sorry.

Rich, I agree it does happen in MLB. I recall Larry Walker made a 2-out catch and handed the ball to a fan in the stands with runners on. But, it is still inexcusable.

Don’t blame the players or even the field manager at this point. The blame is on the popular new President of Baseball Operations in Boston.
Now you see why I was so ticked off with the whole business.

There has to be multiple reasons this team is a mess. Lots has happened since DD decided it was a good idea to throw in the towel. I know how I would have felt if I were a player. Pi$$ed and defeated. Throw in a manager they most likely have no respect left for (assuming they did at one time). I would suspect Ausmus is the key though, he needs to go. Maybe DD would like him in Boston, he thinks he is so darn great.

I do place a lot of blame on DD. However there is still a lot star talant on this team and they are rolling over. These guys don’t even have enough self respect or a sense of responsibility to earn their paychecks.I have zero respect for EVERYONE on this team

They are paid to play baseball at the highest level in the world. They are doing that. Or only winning teams earn their paychecks?

When you go out there are not engaged in the game there are lazy ab’s and half assed play no you are not earning your money. Zero pride zero respect for the dude writing the checks or the fans paying a lot of money to see them giving a half assed effort.

Detroit Tigers 40 Man Roster
Pitchers B/T Ht Wt DOB
62 Al Alburquerque R-R 6’0″ 195 Jun 10, 1986
48 Matt Boyd L-L 6’3″ 215 Feb 2, 1991
45 Buck Farmer L-R 6’4″ 225 Feb 20, 1991
39 Neftali Feliz R-R 6’3″ 225 May 2, 1988
32 Tom Gorzelanny R-L 6’2″ 210 Jul 12, 1982
65 Blaine Hardy L-L 6’2″ 230 Mar 14, 1987
38 Guido Knudson R-R 6’1″ 185 Aug 5, 1989
43 Bruce Rondon R-R 6’3″ 275 Dec 9, 1990
31 Alfredo Simon R-R 6’6″ 265 May 8, 1981
54 Drew VerHagen R-R 6’6″ 230 Oct 22, 1990
35 Justin Verlander R-R 6’5″ 225 Feb 20, 1983
30 Alex Wilson R-R 6’0″ 215 Nov 3, 1986
52 Randy Wolf L-L 6’0″ 205 Aug 22, 1976
Catchers B/T Ht Wt DOB
13 Alex Avila L-R 5’11” 210 Jan 29, 1987
34 James McCann R-R 6’2″ 210 Jun 13, 1990
Infielders B/T Ht Wt DOB
24 Miguel Cabrera R-R 6’4″ 240 Apr 18, 1983
9 Nick Castellanos R-R 6’4″ 210 Mar 4, 1992
1 Jose Iglesias R-R 5’11” 185 Jan 5, 1990
3 Ian Kinsler R-R 6’0″ 200 Jun 22, 1982
27 Andrew Romine S-R 6’1″ 200 Dec 24, 1985
Outfielders B/T Ht Wt DOB
18 Tyler Collins L-L 5’11” 215 Jun 6, 1990
20 Rajai Davis R-R 5’9″ 195 Oct 19, 1980
12 Anthony Gose L-L 6’1″ 190 Aug 10, 1990
28 J.D. Martinez R-R 6’3″ 220 Aug 21, 1987
Designated Hitter B/T Ht Wt DOB
41 Victor Martinez

Sorry bad post did not mean to post that!!

You could have at least mistakenly posted your SS# and address. 🙂

Wait, you don’t have a SS#. Duh.

It happened to 3 players this month. And one, Rusney Castillo threw the ball into the stands, And when that happened, the TV showed my favorite one:Larry Walker handed the ball to a fan and had to ask him it back to make the throw. a Baseball this Week moment.
Of course:
“Ausmus on Gose miscue: “It’s not something you want to see. There’s really nothing you can say to him. He knows he screwed up.” ( Beck)
It is modern baseball,no one would say anything to him
Not even Gibson, he was not the same with DBacks, he took Melvin Upton side when the fka BJ was under scrutiny,
Managers that try to di it different are fired or resign like Sandberg

Correct. While we oldtimers may pine for the good old days, it’s not realistic to expect it now.

Dan, you meant 25 man roster?

Ther trouble with the 40 man roster is there is no useful pitching there to actually help in the month of September.
Josh Zeid?
Kyle Lobstein?
Ian Krol
Kyle Ryan?
Angel Nesbitt?
Jeff Ferrell (May as well be Will)?
Jose Valdez? May as well be Juan)
This is a motley mutation of muckers who will never, ever be significant major leaguers.
Who is/was responsible for this?
How can the above pitchers have even been considered to be possible solutions

Rich—I actually do have a SSIN! Spent some time in Chicago, Detroit, Northern California and alas, in the military in the late 60s

It’s only a matter of time before Avila will be forced to “release” Ausmus. He may need a few years to grasp managing a team of egos and talent. Unfortunately for Brad, following in the footsteps of Leyland was more difficult than possibly the likes of LaRussa or Maddon.

As wonderful as it is to have and to watch Jose at short he is (in my mind) the infield version of Austin Jackson. Does not like to dive for balls.

If I am Al Avila I call up Bernard, Moya, Marte and play them.
Bernard in CF, Moya in LF and Marte every so often to send a subtle message to Nick.
Nick has to become a more disciplined and selective hitter. He has the hand-eye, the power and the leverage to become a better than average MLB hitter.
Let Moya play every day in the bigs. Collins is a fill-in at best.
Gose needs to sweat it out and Rajai is finishing off his career. Let Bernard see what he can do and us to see what he can do.
I would also make a point of having someone at least sit down with Joe Jimenez and discuss what the parent club’s plan is for him next year. This guy is more than a Kneble, Ruffin or Ryan Perry. And likely more than Rondon.

I’d like to see Moya get some reps at the MLB level. As far as Gose goes, I thought his mental mistake was inexcusable although I recognize it does happen. It surely did ruin an otherwise decent day for him. Gose made a nice catch on his braincramp misplay, got a base knock and a walk, and also broke up a potential DP with a hard slide. I don’t know what to say. Maybe swearting it out with Bernard will improve his focus, if i understand the intent of your remark correctly.

I rushed home from work to finally sit down and watch the game. Oh, thank goodness, I didn’t have to watch that. It must have been hideous.
For the last time. Gibby is not going to manage. He has a chronic illness and is probably on multiple medications. The last thing he needs is stress. My dad had Parkinson’s.
If I was Avila, I’d tear it down where I could and start over. He has to put his own stamp on this, hopefully, evolving team.

Maybe MLB should invoke the mercy rule . Just like little league has in it’s rules . If Illich ever wants to go any farther he has to clean house. Start with the manager who at times looks clueless.

I was at a reunion of teachers from my old school. Did the taped fast forward version. It only took about 6 minutes. Observations from the tape:
1. Buck Farmer shouldn’t start another game for us.
2. Am I the only person suspicious about Encarnacion?
3. Gose has been trying to prove to Toronto that he shouldn’t have been trade to the Tigers. He has proven to me that he shouldn’t have been traded to the Tigers. I’m not even counting the mental lapse. I don’t ever see him being successful enough against lefty’s to succeed as full time.
4. His body language tells me that Miggy has almost raised the white flag.
What I liked:
1. Feliz, who still could be what he used to be. We really are the team which invites hasbeens and retreads to come on board.
2. ——–
We are slowly sinking into a zone of total irrelevance for the remainder of the year.
And that’s probably all right. Because more relevant is the fact that my city had two Television reporters murdered on live TV in front of their colleagues, and even fiance’s. One was 24 and a student at James Madison University in the same major has my son. The other was a 27 year old Camera Journalist, whose fiance produced the program in which he was murdered. Her wedding dress arrived at WDBJ-TV 4 hours after he died. That’s relevant. I am the guiltiest of the guilty in revolving my spare time around the Tigers, whom I have followed for 57 years. And that is totally irrelevant. God bless everyone on this Blog; though I have only met Rich in person, I feel like I know you all. Thanks for allowing me to be a part of this daily discussion. And as irrelevant as it is, I must confess that I will be watching my beloved Tigers tomorrow. Maybe, I’ll watch in a different vane, enjoying the strategies of the game, but realizing that my life will be no different, whether they win or lose.

Well stated Greg. This is just a game after all. If you can’t keep it separate (not saying I do) from the truly important things in your life you will end up a servant to your emotions and disappointments. We can’t control game outcomes or management decisions.. We can enjoy the good stuff that happens within the game, win or lose. The road back to a winning team may be longer now than we’d like. We probably need to get used to it. I’m glad DD is gone. Although his dealings fed our addiction to winning these past years (we generally weren’t complaining), the cupboard appears to be emptied. The guys responsible for restocking it may have failed in that task. Then again there may be a few gems still to be discovered. Would Tram accept the job again after having it taken from him when things were beginning to turn around in 04 and 05? He carried the water, Leyland drank it. Just sayin JL was the benefactor of Trams toil. Still, it’s a better team now than it was then. There might be little depth but there is a core of position players who are talented.

If we were a low budget team with a terrible front office I could understand the being in last place, but not with this payroll and multiple “stars.” To go from first to worst is a terrible.


A lot of that payroll is invested in 2 players, 4 with Kinsler and VM.They have been compromised/gutted by the “mid season trades”. They have suffered from injuries, especially SP. Toronto will likely go deep into playoffs. They need to pick themselves up and play for pride even if they lose every game from here on out.

Castellanos DRS -10.Tied with Sandoval for worst in MLB. And Sandoval is improving , had a couple of big plays yesterday.In fact, he won the game from both sides of the plate. A DH, and nothing but a DH

The problem is , both Mets and Toronto were chasing the WC before the Tigers helped them. The Jays were EIGHT games back of the first.The Mets 5 back.
The midseason trades were the consequence of not going after good FA during the offseason and beginning, once and again, with half baked teams
BTW: i know that stat is not popular here but WAR makes the Tigers the six best offensive team in MLB and 23 in ptiching

DRS and UZR are losing influence with some defensive coordinators, for even metrics organizations. For instance, the Dodgers are back to utilizing Fielding Percentage. The thinking is that with all the statistical info available, positioning comes into greater play,and as a result fielding reliability is of paramount importance..

Is there team stats for median runs per game, rather than average runs per game?

The media is around 6

Better this:they have played 129 games and scored 2 or less in 49 . 37,98 % of the games

the median I meant

Lineup at TOR: Davis 7, Kinsler 4, Cabrera 3, J. Martinez 9, V. Martinez DH, Castellanos 5, McCann 2, Iglesias 6, Gose 8. Simon starts.

EE hit 3 homers and the fans threw hats on the field. JD Martinez hit 3 and got a scolding from Miggy and Victor.

What are you referring to?

You don’t remember the day JD hit 3 homers. When he got to the dugout both Miggy and Victor had words for him. Everyone wondered what they were saying to him. Later, it came out that he was supposed to contain his joy for after the season ended. I guess he was too happy coming around 3rd base on the 3rd one. I don’t have time to look up the date (on my way to work), but, yes, it did happen.

I remember the 3 homers on June 21st. I guess I missed this story.

Encarnación is a veteran, JD while not a rookie is young as player . It was just the veterans keeping the young guy in line. It is the way it goes in the clubhouse, you need to earn your stripes.
Wrong , infair? yes ,but it is the same in every clubhouse or workplace

When I saw it, I took it as veteran jealousy. Couldn’t believe it.

That is bizarre. JD is too nice a guy to be treated like that. If Miggy and Victor want to lead the troops they should drive in runs at game-changing moments.
Simon today? Oh my. He would be well advised to throw the eephus all day.

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