Thursday’s lineups: Tigers vs. Royals

Brad Ausmus talked a little bit about wondering whether it’s worth juggling the lineup. He did a little bit by bumping Austin Jackson to the second spot in the order, trying again to get his bat going after sitting him for Don Kelly on Wednesday. It’s not the easiest matchup for Jackson, who has historically struggled against lefties.

Ausmus was asked about the worth of juggling a lineup.

“The lineup is important because of the way the numbers work in baseball over the long haul,” Ausmus said. “On a day by day basis, you could make the argument that it’s not as big a deal. If I hit Miggy leadoff one day, it might not make that big of a deal in the game, but if I hit Miggy leadoff every single day, it’s probably going to make a difference over the course of the season.”

Torii Hunter remains out, though he took batting practice Thursday and hasn’t been ruled out as a pinch-hitter. Hunter said this morning that he’s hopeful for a return Saturday in Cleveland.

The Royals scratched Alex Gordon from the lineup at the last minute. Jarrod Dyson starts in left.

TIGERS (career numbers against Duffy)

  1. Ian Kinsler, 2B (2-for-6, HR, walk, K)
  2. Austin Jackson, CF (2-for-14, double, HR, 4 walks, 4 K’s)
  3. Miguel Cabrera, 1B (4-for-14, 2 doubles, 5 walks, 4 K’s)
  4. Victor Martinez, DH (3-for-12, double, 2 walks, K)
  5. J.D. Martinez, RF
  6. Nick Castellanos, 3B (1-for-3)
  7. Bryan Holaday, C
  8. Eugenio Suarez, SS
  9. Rajai Davis, LF (1-for-5, double, walk)

P: Anibal Sanchez

ROYALS (career numbers off Sanchez)

  1. Nori Aoki, RF (1-for-3)
  2. Omar Infante, 2B (3-for-18, walk, 3 K’s)
  3. Eric Hosmer, 1B (3-for-16, K)
  4. Billy Butler, DH (4-for-15, walk, 3 K’s)
  5. Salvador Perez, C (0-for-9, 2 walks, 2 K’s)
  6. Lorenzo Cain, CF (3-for-10)
  7. Mike Moustakas, 3B (1-for-10, double, 2 walks, 3 K’s)
  8. Alcides Escobar, SS (4-for-15, 3 K’s)
  9. Jarrod Dyson, LF (2-for-13, 4 K’s)

P: Danny Duffy



These guys couldn’t hit water if they fell out of a boat.

The lack of resolve is quite evident in every lazy at bat.

This Duffy is gonna pitch a no-hitter.

Would be nice to see a bit of energy from the Tigers . Lets pray for a win today .

Jinx successful. You’re welcome.

Goidelic job!

Yippie …just got home to see Joe Nathan come in for the 1 run save? Who feels good about that?

Rajai is just not a complete ball player. Actually, far from it.
I like the energy Holaday brings to the table. I like the effort as well.
Hopefully this game is not a typical Anibal start/Nathan finish game.
Ausmus should fine players for swinging at the 1st pitch with a man on 3rd an dless than 2 out.

Now, there’s the Joe Nathan we remember!

Wow, another 2-1 game. Sanchez and Duffy almost literally matched pitch for pitch.
Nathan not only got the save, but his pitches were crisp. That was good to see.
Holaday is impressive back there. And he can bunt.

Person I am most impressed with in that game/
Bryan Holaday. He guided Nathan through that inning with intellligence and enthusiasm..
Kinsler, and Castellanos still victims of uppercutting.
Davis should not be playing–I’d rather see Carrera out there.
Nathan needed those results and we can only hope this changes the tide for him.
Tigers stink at the plate.
Anibal deserves so much better than he gets.
Joba put pressure on the Royals. He has been excellent.
JD Martinez should be the new right fielder.

Kinsler is chronically dropping his back shoulder. A veteran like him should have corrected that by now.

Or someone from the coaching staff should have spotted it . Bad baserunning continues to haunt this club . Miggy gets tagged out today at 2 nd base . No reason for a veteran player to let that happen . Brad said that Omar Vizquel would be the baserunning coach . Is this the best he can do ??

Looking at today’s lineup, 6 of the 9 were not with this club last year. This is a true transition season. Getting Dirks back, while he won’t be a savior, will at least provide a different dynamic.

Whew! Close but a win. SanChamNat with some very good pitching. Miggy with an RBI. JD with the winning HR. Now how do you send him away after Andy comes back when he has been giving them some good offense?

i can’t imagine they could… they just wouldn’t dare!!
JD has been amazing.

No complaints here it is a win . KC leaves the motor city on top of the Central. Maybe the win can get the Tigers pumped up for the weekend !!! I agree with Dan why do the Tigers feel a need to swing at the first patch .??

If you’re looking for a certain pitch and you get it, you swing. Have to execute, though. Obviously good hitters do it better than bad ones.

I have always been a proponent of taking a pitch, especially in the situations aforementioned. I have ragged on Rajai all year long, and while he has had some impact games, far too often he does what he did today, and that’s little of nothing to help the team. Too little RA and not enough JAI imo. I’m not going to trash the team today, because they did enough to win. If the stories about Alex tipping pitches is true, this can be corrected in short order. Sadly, again, in every game the backup catcher is giving the boost. Even Al Sr. could not deny that. It’s a situation that will have to be dealt with soon enough. Also, Julio needs to stay put, and Tori needs to deal with it. Another reality. A third reality is that this was Joe’s best outing of the year. He did like Joe from the past instead of Valverde Cloned. And he did have to face the meat of the Royals order. We can only hope. Savor the win, and look for the next one tomorrow.
1. Miggy had an 8 pitch AB today. Though he made an out, he showed much more plated discipline and patience. He also had a Rib.
2. Keep in mind that the mark of a great pitcher is not wins alone. Sanchez will win the Cy Young Award with 6 wins this year. Go Annabal. Your’e earning your salary.
3. Rookie’s 1’s really good defensive play right at the stands. He is becoming more and more comfortable at the Hot Corner. Also made a fine play on Dyson’s bunt.

Annabal needs to look both JV and Max in the eye, and tell them to do the job they’re paid to do. On to the land of the Mad Drummer.

There are stories about Alex tipping pitches?

Yes, at hardball talk , a fan said that Avila smacks his glove once or twice depending of what pitch he wants.

Thanks. That’s exactly the kind of thing I was suspecting. These pitchers are getting hit too hard. You can miss on your location and not necessarily have the pitch drilled somewhere.

Speaking of hitters knowing what’s coming combined with our trip to Cleveland, that team sure does have an unusual number of walkoff wins over the last few years. It’s like they turn on the emergency sign stealing equipment…………

JD Martinez has made a good case for keeping his spot over Kelly
Holaday deserves more playing time:”Holaday is hitting .333 over his last 20 games — a solid sample size. He’ll lead off the eighth inning today.”

The worst thing about tipping is the poor pitcher practically ruins himself trying to adjust when there was nothing wrong with his delivery in the first place.
There are numerous stories of illicit sign stealing, perhaps the most famous of which is the 1951 New York Giants miracle comeback. They were stealing signs with binoculars and using a relay system with the windows in the CF clubhouse. It’s very possible that Bobby Thomson knew what pitch was coming when he hit his “Shot heard ’round the world.”

I have read a lot about that including ” Nice guys always finish last” but someone mentioned a counter-fact: the two first games of the playoff were won by the visitor

The pitchers is looking to be 0-1 in the count. He will be looking for the zone . If the pitcher is good , he will throw a strike and he will have the advantage.
For Miguel, that could be the only good pitch he would see. Even if he has a good OPS with bad pitches.
The Tigers are second in avg and third OPS but 8 th in OBP and 13th in runs. The problem is not the contact . Maybe 9th worst base running. Or being 6th in avg with RISP or 16th with runners on

Miguel % of first strike swinging is 6% above his career average

Worst base running? I just watched re-plays. Miggy was very careless when doubled up on that disputed call. That’s just not good leadership.

LAA is the worst.

Miggy has been napping a bit more lately. He is not on the top of his game. When he is he is not only bashing fences but his mental acuity is as sharp as anyone’s in the game.

Oh, and by the way, it is hard to blame him considering the doldrums the team has been in.

When I said the 1st pitch you will also notice I clarified that by saying the first pitch with a man on 3rd and less than 2 out. 1st pitch swinging can be an excellent tactic but when you have a rally 90 feet away you can’t deflate it and bring momentum to the other team. That is the time to be a tad more patient in order to obtain the results needed.

Whew……. Missed the game today as I usually do on these weekday day games….. Hmm, I’ll have to take that up with the department of redundancy department. Anyway, This is a relief. I had mentioned the other day that a split of the last 2 would be a victory.
I like your comments Greg. Course I always do. To reiterate, despite all the SB’s I do not like Rajai’s style of play. He is borderline showboat the way he snatches fly balls at the last moment, body often out of position. That will bite him one day if it hasn’t already. AJ’s catches on the other hand are the manifest definition of “nestle”. Wouldn’t mind seeing Rajai traded. JD has earned a starting spot. Maybe time for Hunter to accept a backup role. Maybe sitting more often will keep his body fresher if the Tigers actually do make it to the playoffs. So there is room for outfield changes.
Bryan has earned starting catcher spot until he plays himself out of it. He just brings more enthusiasm to that important position. Reed DFA move was an easy one.
I also believe in taking a pitch, at least with a runner on 3rd and less than 2 out. Miguel and Victor by the sheer talents they are gifted with, would be the exception to this. But I don’t think it would hurt them to take a pitch for the team to set the example. I do think Miguel has been pressing lately and has been going through a concentration issue. If he swings and misses at a first pitch ball outside the zone he still winds up in the same 0-1 boat. But that’s just me. If I fell out of that boat Dan, I’m pretty sure I’d hit the water……. in the literal sense.

Maybe if he quit socializing with the opposing team’s players, he might get his concentration back.

I’m sitting here watching soccer. Do you see soccer players socializing in the middle of a game. No. They are concentrating on the game. The other team is the opponent. The opponent wants to beat you
Well, that’s my vent for the week. It really gets on my nerves.

Austin Jackson 13th in the AL . Pitches /AB 4.1
Victor 4.08 15th

I think the team as a whole was somewhat demoralized from always being so far behind in games lately, and it became a habit. Two crisply pitched games have helped some, but they need more. Sometimes I wonder which team in MLB stands around more on defense while pitch counts mount.
I don’t know anything about soccer. Are they competing against ex-teamates and friends?

Current teammates. A couple of years ago there was a polemic in Spain, Mourinho was accused of creating division in the national team inciting hate between Barcelona and his Real Madrid.Both team are the main provider of players for the national team. It is like you play for Boston or the Yankees but also for Team America

There are Real Madrid players with Spain, Brasil and Portugal. Of Barcelona, with Spain, Brasil and Argentina.
They do talk but flagrant con-fraternization while not unheard is uncommon . Of course being teammates wont stop players like Pepe from step on the face of a rival

My comment for today…We must give credit to the outstanding defense of KC…
Regarding Avila…what’s wrong with giving the pitcher a target to pitch to?? He lays his glove to the side after his sign…has anyone noticed?
Holladay is a gritty guy..he brings the quality of fresh air to the team..reverse the roles, until Avila gets his head together..literally
He’s so prone to being injured, I don’t see other catchers being so badly beaten up
as he….I agree about Raji Davis…Darn it take a pitch…Where the hell is the batting coach?
Personal comment…It’s easy to be an arm chair general….It’s really a tough game
as we all can agree.Not many of us make it to the majors or even the minors..
Hopefully, the the Tigers will turn things around, starting with Cleveland, who had another walk-off win today.

End Of Story Fan from NJ

Holaday needs to play more. Does anyone know the Tigers record when he starts? Or ERA when he starts.
Rajai Davis’ problems were well known when we signed him. He struggles against right handers. He did surprisingly well against RHP earlier, but has returned to the median.
KC defense is very very good, nice point John Lamp. The OF they have is fun to watch. I thought KC did not play up to their talent recently, they are very good. And our friend Omar Infante is such a solid player….

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