Father’s Day lineups: Tigers vs. Twins

Another game for J.D. Martinez, making his fourth consecutive start. Another day off for Rajai Davis. Meanwhile, Brian Dozier returns to the Twins lineup after back-to-back days out, though Dozier entered as a pinch-hitter. Eduardo Escobar starts at third base for Trevor Plouffe, who went on the 15-day DL with a left oblique injury.

TIGERS (career numbers off Ricky Nolasco)

  1. Ian Kinsler, 2B (2-for-3, 2 doubles)
  2. Torii Hunter, RF
  3. Miguel Cabrera, 1B
  4. Victor Martinez, DH
  5. J.D. Martinez, LF (1-for-3)
  6. Austin Jackson, CF
  7. Nick Castellanos, 3B
  8. Alex Avila, C
  9. Eugenio Suarez, SS

P: Rick Porcello

TWINS (career numbers off Porcello)

  1. Danny Santana, SS
  2. Joe Mauer, 1B (10-for-36, 3 doubles, 3 walks, 3 K’s)
  3. Brian Dozier, 2B (5-for-16, 2 HR, 2 K’s)
  4. Josh Willingham, LF (7-for-18, 2 doubles, 2 HR, 5 walks, 5 K’s)
  5. Kendrys Morales, DH (3-for-16, double, walk, 5 K’s)
  6. Oswaldo Arcia, RF (1-for-2, double)
  7. Kurt Suzuki, C (3-for-15, 2 doubles, 4 walks)
  8. Sam Fuld, CF (2-for-2)
  9. Eduardo Escobar, 3B (1-for-4)

P: Ricky Nolasco

61 Comments

Miggy sure swinging a lot of 1st pitches. He seems to be a bit off to me, leadoff hit notwithstanding

Back to back singles and it is time to see our club can show some quality here. Meaning take advantage and atack a pitcher when he is in trouble. This is often an area where we seem to let guys off the hook and start them on a return path to staying in the game and shutting us down. And as I speak—a K and a DP
Geez.
Minny come back after that and it is a brand new ball game. Ricky not known for too many innings of shutout ball.

AJ never was a dependable RBI hitter. Killed that rally.

Rick hanging in there but you are right. More runs needed to protect Rick and that woeful BP.

Now they are letting Nolasco off the hook. Only 6 pitches that inning and Rick is rushed back out there.

Miguel explained why. Pitchers are looking the favorable count with a first pitch strike. That strike , is probably , the only good pitch he will see.
465 .477 .860 1.338 with the first pitch. It works

0-1 407.393.7781.171 With 0-2:.429.429.810 1.238. No advantage taking pitches

But the pressure is mounting on Rick. 2 runs was not enough yesterday.

And there it goes>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

And here we go a tie game and looking worse. I don’t know when and if these guys will wake up. But honestly there is no reason Mr 5.57 era Nolasco stiffling them, it’s truly pathetic. I’m just disgusted with them.

And goes further Alex couldn’t make a simple catch. Not the best throw on the planet but Alex has gotta get that it beat him by 5 feet. Pathetic .

As expected, RP has one of those innings where he gives up hit after hit after hit.
I said this a few weeks ago—Has Avail caught anything thrown from the OF this year? He seems to be unable to handle anything in the dirt from the OF (even nice one-hoppers) but yet can catch just about anything a pitcher has to throw him.
With the new rule about runners coming home he should be less affected by that distraction.
Meanwhile we have somehow managed to allow a pitcher to get away with poor pitching until he finds how to fix it.
Porcello has one of these kinds of innings every game–usually in a middle inning.
Did I say I thought MIggy was off?

Sure was nice to see a clutch hit for a change. Can’t really say we saw any yesterday in the blowout and obviously nothing much in the days before that.
AJ was horrible in the RBI spot—-BAT HIM 2ND!!!!!!

Talk about being wasteful bases loaded 1 out and nothing.

Nolasco/Burton > the tigers hitters

I am not a fan of swinging on the first pitch with a man on 3rd and less than 2 down.
Especially with the bases loaded.
If it’s VMart then OK. Anybody else should be taking that pitch 98% of the time.

How does RP get charged with an earned run on that last run? A good throw (and it was) gets him in plenty of time. Avila dropped the bloody ball.
That has to be an error and an unearned run.

Guerrero> tigers hitters

AJ was never a dependable RBI hitter. Killed that rally AGAIN!!!

How many runners were left on base ? So many in scoring position . If they lose this game Kansas City will clean up on them .

OMG. Joba in the 8th. Joe Blow in the 9th? You have got to be kidding me.

What’s so GD hard about figuring out how to construct an effective lineup given the ingredients you have.
AJ cannot drive in runs. He was awful in a leadoff role when the pressure developed. He will not respond to the pressure of driving in runs in the critical 5th spot. He proves it time and time again.
Davis is not a regular. So for a regular lineup you go
Kinsler
AJ (less breaking balls)
Miggy
VMart
Hunter (If he can’t become a threat here then time to sit more)
Catellanos (Could flip him with Torii or Avila)
Avila
Suarez
It seems a very logical lineup given the problems the present one has.

LOB. JD = 5, AJ = 6. I guess you could say the 5th and 6th spots are black holes.

I am on Avila’s case hear today. That is a passed ball not a wild pitch. He knew it was coming and he fell asleep at the wheel. He should have been down on 2 knees on that pitch. Now we are on 2 knees praying it doesn’t result in a bad inning.

Kinsler, Hunter and Saurez also left 3 on base.

Suzuki is not somebody to take for granted. He has hurt us in the past. Man, our guys just are not playing anywhere near their abilities. I don’t mean Joba.

Castellanos needs to stay within himself. He is beginning to show signs of become an offensive force in the bigs. Look for something good here.

2-14 with runners in scoring position.
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And to make it better Nathan is coming in! Oh joy!

You have got to be kidding me. Nathan?

He just couldn’t have a 1-2-3 inning for a change. Now Mauer and Dozier coming up.

Hard to believe he got through that. Now can the heart of Tigers line-up take this game? Who pitches in the 10th?

He was lucky to get out of that unscathed. He didn’t get one swing and miss.

Oh. no. It’s up to JD and AJ.

Did it look like Victor wasn’t running out of the box? Not sure if he woulda gotten to 2nd but?

No. He wasn’t. He went into his home run trot. He was admiring and hoping and then it was too late to get to 2nd. No harm done though.
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— Bob

Yes this time but he’s done that a few times lately.

Yes! Thank you for throwing the ball up the line!

I love Victor but he needed to get to 2nd there. Fortunately, it didn’t cost us.
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Go Tigers.
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— Bob

I thought it was a HR the way he was standing there. Oops!

JD did it. He did it? HE WON THE GAME!!!

Happy Father’s Day!

Good point on Victor’s blast. Everyone watching this thought it was gone. yes, he should have been running and if JD had into a DP we would all be talking about this
Nathan gets a win! An ill-deserved one at that.
He is fooling no one. When is the last time we have seen a clean inning. Or a wing & miss?
This problem is not solved and should not be swept under the rug.

If Minnesota’s makes a clean throw to the plate, we might not be celebrating. It was way offline.
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When J.D, made that throw to Avila, Dan and Jim immediately said “bad throw.” And then when Joba pitched they called the “passed ball” a wild pitch. They will defend him no matter what.

It was a wild pitch ……while I agree Avila should of made the play with the throw from JD.

Don’t forget that Hunter is the runner on first and Victor’s progress depends on where Torii was on the basepaths at the time the ball was dropped.

It looked like to me Victor was admiring the flight of the ball. Again we got lucky because he dropped it. Unlucky when Miguel’s smoked shot was caught. Thankful that they won even though I didn’t particularly care for the offense today. Good defense other than the play by Avila .

If we’re just discussing negative things, then Avila should have blocked that pitch and also made a better effort on JD’s throw, although he did get short hopped. Nathan gave up four hard hit balls in his inning. Too many men left on base. Two runs scored because Arcia couldn’t catch flyballs.

Nathan was hit hard, real hard again. Lucky to get out of this game with a “W”! What is going on with 25 men LOB?? This team needs to regroup and turn it up a notch or two otherwise lose your hold on 1st place. KC and Cleve are up next and that will be no picnic.

Joba’s “wild pitch”—give me 11 pitchers who can make a pitchlike that with two strikes.

got the series win and we have lots of ways we can, and I think will, play better baseball.

Lest I forget, Happy Father’s Day to all you dads.
My lovely wife got me a card that depicts a dog in a bathroom, holding a roll of toilet paper in its mouth. Says “the perfect Father’s Day gift. A lavatory retriever.”
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Actually, any time you win it’s been a good game.
Tigers have won 3 of 4 and red hot KC coming to town for four. Probably a split.

Two uncaught flyballs let the Tigers win this game . Happy for the win now however they have to play alot better ball. Knock in some of the stranded runners !!!

Hi Rich , I’m a long time tiger fan from NJ,..I don’t understand why the sports media call Miggy the best hitter…I disagree, VJ is a much better hitter and more patient one at that..not that Miggy isn’t a great hitter you would think with his reputation should be more selective at swinging
at pitches…he seems to be swinging at pitches no matter where there thrown..and amazingly at times he’s successful…also.(.kills a lot of rallies,w/DP’s K’s) I also notice he’s not shooting for the long ball..
Ortiz is a good example of being a patient,hitter… the Tigers know that well..
Their pitching as you know is suspect, especially the bullpen..The problem of course is being able to throw strikes….so what else is new?
It’s going to be an interesting almost second half…
JL

Miggy goes through periods like this and then suddenly there is not a pitch that he doesn’t put over or near the wall. VMart is a more dependable hitter, at this moment.

Miguel Cabrera has an OPS around 950 with pitches out of the zone.
In 2013, by August ,he had 21 HR against would be balls.
And image is worth..:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/miguel-cabreras-most-incredible-strength/

He is the best hitter alive.
400/ 1300 with the first pitch.
His OBP is above Dunn´s with far many less SO. It is not about taking pitches for the sake of taking them

Happy Fathers Day to the dad’s here – a Tiger win helps make the day even better!

Actually, I don’t compare Miggy and Victor. Both are either among or are the best hitters in the game. In a tight spot, I’m glad to have either one of them at bat. They both meet my personal criteria, being that I stop what I’m doing to watch both of them hit. That’s Ted Williams, Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron territory.
Victor was my favorite player even when he was with Cleveland, before Miggy was in Detroit. Great to have ‘em both.

1. Rick gave us a solid seven. Sadly, four of the hits he gave up,came in the same inning.
2. Rookies 1 and 2 play solid D again.
3. Joe doesn’t give up a run.

Kudos to the Martinez Twins and Kinsler;also good plate day for rookie 1. We must split the KC series at worst. They are one bad team right now. The big question remains: Whatcha made of Justin Verlander? A second question might be: Who is this player named Austin Jackson?

Greg

if JD and Victor keep hitting is that like our own M&M boys?

Rick is the invisible man. He seldom wows you and more often than not he’ll have the bad inning. But he’s a pitching machine. He stays healthy and is reliable. He throws strikes most of the time and usually keeps his team in the game. That’s why at age 25 he’s already 69-54. Career ERA of 4.47 while not great, still gets the job done with consistency. Pretty much a veteran. I even heard he once threw a charging Youkilis to the ground with his bare hands. As much as I liked Fister, I’m glad we still have Rick. A quiet competitor this team needs.

I like both Victor and Miggy and would gladly take either in any situation. A while back I complained about Victor swinging at ball 4, well out of the strike zone in a 3-0 count. El Tigre defended his swinging in that situation. That’s the only time I’ve ever been critical of VMart. He is an amazing switch hitter. I think my favorite Tiger. Depending upon the situation I’d actually chose him over Miguel for an AB. But Miguel is the most gifted hitter in baseball today, one of a handful in baseball history. Seems like Victor lives on both lines while Miguel lives in the gaps…. deep in the gaps.

Boy did we need this one today. Bring on the Royals.

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