Sunday’s lineups: Tigers vs. Rangers

Memorial Day 002

Rajai Davis, 6-for-16 lifetime off former Tiger Colby Lewis, gets a day at the leadoff spot, though the lineup is virtually the same as it was yesterday. Miguel Cabrera gets to DH today, with Victor Martinez getting to show off his glove at first base.

On the Rangers side, Shin-Soo Choo is back in the lineup after leaving Saturday’s game with a bad left ankle. Choo is the DH, with Michael Choice getting the start in left field.

Gameday | TV: FS Detroit, MLB.TV | Radio: 97.1 FM, AM 1270, Gameday Audio

TIGERS (career numbers off Colby Lewis)

  1. Rajai Davis, LF (6-for-16, double, 4 K’s)
  2. Ian Kinsler, 2B (0-for-3)
  3. Miguel Cabrera, DH (7-for-18, 3 doubles, 2 walks, K)
  4. Victor Martinez, 1B (6-for-12, double, HR, 2 walks)
  5. Torii Hunter, RF (2-for-19, double, HR, 3 walks, 6 K’s)
  6. Austin Jackson, CF (9-for-21, 2 doubles, HR, walk, 5 K’s)
  7. Alex Avila, C (4-for-15, 2 HR, walk, 4 K’s)
  8. Nick Castellanos, 3B
  9. Andrew Romine, SS (1-for-4)

P: Justin Verlander

RANGERS (career numbers vs. Verlander)

  1. Shin-Soo Choo, DH (12-for-50, double, 2 HR, 6 walks, 21 K’s)
  2. Elvis Andrus, SS (5-for-26, 2 walks, 3 K’s)
  3. Mitch Moreland, 1B (4-for-16, 3 doubles, 2 walks, 7 K’s)
  4. Adrian Beltre, 3B (12-for-45, 2 doubles, HR, walk, 9 K’s)
  5. Alex Rios, RF (14-for-40, 3 doubles, triple, 4 walks, 9 K’s)
  6. Leonys Martin, CF (1-for-3, walk, K)
  7. Michael Choice, LF
  8. Robinson Chirinos, C
  9. Rougned Odor, 2B

P: Colby Lewis


We need a pitcher not a belly itcher? Any takers lol

Awesome start for Verlander…????

JV not off to a good start. 1 run. 2 hits, 1 walk, 20 pitches. His past success has really gone to his head. How much longer is his contract? How much $$$ is he getting? He better settle down in this game or they have lost this series.

Okay. Tied it up. Now on JV to hold them.


I think he’s getting $26 million a year and as I type he’s given up another homerun and a double Rod and Mario continue to make excuses for him. Sorry dude is no ace.

Excuses? What excuses? They’re going to run out of excuses.I do not hear Rod and Mario here.

The radio crew of Dan and JIM made no excuses in their post game . Maybe they can win on the west coast lets hope so . Sad to see the last weeks games . But I am always a Tigers fan !!!

He can’t even make a throw to 1st base. Now they’re down 3-1.

If JV can’t regain his fastball he will have to (and I don’t doubt he can) re-invent himself. He may need to learn how to throw a cutter. His fastball is just about a useless pitch these days.

BTW, Avila has the highest BABIP on the club. Higher than Miggy and VMart.
Be nice if he could cut down on the Ks eh?

Unless they are hurt and masking an injury an ace has an occasional bad outing they don’t pitch like this three games in a row. Hence no longer an ace if he ever was or just a guy who had 2 good years.


Is there anything extraordinary about most of that?

Missed chances to tie or go ahead. Davis, swinging at first pitch, and Kinsler leaving 2 runners in scoring position. Lewis up to 50 pitches thanks to a 9-pitch at-bat by Romine. But the Texas bullpen seems to be better than the Tigers.

Is he injured?
He needs to use the curve more

He still has an HoF career:

Hall Of Fame StatisticsPlayer rank in (·)
Black Ink Pitching – 46 (29), Average HOFer ≈ 40
Gray Ink Pitching – 135 (121), Average HOFer ≈ 185
Hall of Fame Monitor Pitching – 108 (89), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards Pitching – 31 (136), Average HOFer ≈ 50
JAWS Starting Pitcher (144th), 41.2 career WAR/38.6 7yr-peak WAR/39.9 JAWS
Average HOF P (out of 59) = 73.4 career WAR/50.2 7yr-peak WAR/61.8 JAWS

In his way to

I actually think you’re serious GK. Not sure why credit isn’t due for what JV has done. yes, he is not the pitcher he once was but don’t count him out. You can say a lot about JV but one thing you can’t say is that isn’t a fierce competitor. He will rediscover or reinvent himslef. If he doesn’t he won’t make the Hall of Fame!
Hard to believe this team can’t handle Colby Lewis. 88-89 MPH fastballs with no movement?

Verlander is second only to the also struggling CC in IP since 2006. Just ahead of the younger Felix. Only them above 1800 since 2006

Just because he is throwing a lot of innings doesn’t mean they were good.

“Since 1960, Lester is one of 32 pitchers in all of baseball to record six straight seasons of 180 or more innings with an ERA+ (ERA compared to league average) of 110 (meaning 10 percent better than league average).” And Verlander is one of the 32

I dont care if he’s a fierce competitor. I’m sure Austin Jackson is a feirce competitor iy doesn’t make him Miguel Cabrera. He’s getting paid like an ace do your job like an ace. His average era is 3.46 over his career. Is that extra special. I don’t think so. It’s been more than a year of excuses with him. He’s now given up 3 straight games with 5 or more runs. Not an ace. He’s pathetic.

And now he completely goes to he–.

Not going to waste one more minute on these slackers today too nice outside to waste it on this.

Good idea.
Might be time to blame this on Kate.

I don’t know why some people are obsessed with the speed of pitches Sure, some guy throwing 98 can beat you but so can guys throwing 88 if they have pinpoint control. I think they call them “finesse” pitchers. JV needs to find more finesse.
Boy, this game sure did get out of control.
Go Tigers!

Not sure how a team can be so dominant and then so submissive. I guess that is the definition of being inconsistent.
The pitching has been poor but so has the all-around play.
I do worry about 3 of our starting pitchers. If they can’t throw well most of the time then this will be very disappointing year.

9-2? Get outta town!

I hope NY had a better angle on that Andrus double than we saw on FSD, because that one sucked.

Whatever happened to the Justin Verlander who used to get the ball back from the catcher and throw it? Two things are happening: 1- Gives the hittes more time to think and 2- gives JV more time to think. both abre bad outcomes.
That plus he is always pitching behind in the count.

What shocked me today was Verlander using an entirely different windup. I spent several minutes locating video to make sure I wasn’t seeing things before Rod mentioned it. Changing your entire windup seems to be an act of desperation.
JV tinkers too much. Maybe he should stay away from Max.
Or, in this year of TJ surgery, he may be the next candidate for a visit to Dr. John. We better hope that’s not the case.

Where is Rick Knap? Verlander worked well with him

Under Jeff Jones, the rotation became a Poker hand. (He is no magician to do better with the loose pieces DD calls a bullpen) But JV certainly was more comfortable with Knapp.

Dr John might hook him up with a litle Gris-Gris to get his hoochie-coochie back.

Hope the fans gave Colby a little bit of applause. he pitched smart.

Someone there mentioned it : he had surgery

I’ve heard GK complaining about JV not being an ace for the better part of a year and although I was getting pretty sick of it I’m beginning to admit that he might be right. Sad these days just to have no confidence anymore in him!!
And while we complain, Becket throwing a no hitter in Philly through 7.

He is not the Ace of the staff. I got criticized earlier this year for saying Max was.
BUT–to say he was never an Ace is incorrect.
Meanwhile-can somebody tell Rajai when you are getting thumped or humiliated you still can bother to make a decent throw in to the infield.

Yikes-our two greates assets, the rotation and the middle of the lineup, are all hurting in one way or another.
Torii needs to be pressured by a younger prospect. There is danger in the mentality of entitlement.
Tough times for Tigers and their fans. Going from playing the best ball in the league to aruably, the worst in a matter of days.

I never said he wasn’t….he was beyond excellent for about a 3 or so year stretch. But to continue to hear him referred to as that is nauseating . I’m didn’t make up those era’s anyone can go look at them. Go look at Kershaws, Wainwrights, heck Jered Weaver has been better.

When it rains , it pours? Miguel day to day. Hamstring. He looked like having some disconfort last friday after sliding in 2B

Tigers have lost 6 of 7 but only about 2 games chopped off their division lead. There’s a lot to be said for those fast starts.

Still on pace to win 98-99 games.
Have to see what’s up with the starters, though. Cleveland hit Verlander like they knew what was coming. Didn’t that happen once last year? If there’s tipping or sign stealing, the worst outcome is Justin changing everything he does.

True. But the Tribe has hit well against him since 2006

Well, perhaps we can settle back a little and take a look around. We are standing with the best record in the AL, and second best over all in the MLB. We have lost 6 out of the last 7 and still hold a commanding 5 game lead in our division.
Although some of us will never be fully satisfied until we have a 162-0 season, the reality is all teams go through mind numbing slumps after spurts of brilliance and sure would be nice to get our experience in that funk out of our system early on in the season while everyone else in the division is losing as well.
Let’s go out to Oakland and take 2 out of 4 and then concentrate on winning 6-7 series in June against division opponents. Really hoping Miggy is ok!! Losing him for any extended period of time or having him at less than 100% would be such a huge disappointment.
Our starting rotation will come back strong in Oakland!! The next four games promise to be epic battles as the A’s are drooling with the thought of hitting us when we’re down.

It’s not just the losing it is how they are losing.

It is how many dozen runs they have given up since starting the series with the Tribe. Then missed chances by Tigers hitters = another blown series .

Agreed that the way they are losing is very, very painful. I agree it has been VERY frustrating but I guess I am just trying to talk myself into a better mood!!

Today he just didn’t have any control. It’ll kill you every time. Also little movement on his fastball from what I saw. He had two good innings after the 3-1 start and the Tiger hitters could not respond and take advantage. Victor swinging on ball 4, and was lucky the next pitch wasn’t a double play. Must be patient and take that pitch. Hit and run with Avila on first and Nck batting was not a wise call. I realize it’s hindsight but that is a poor combination to try that on. Another critical point in the game there where the momentum could have swung back to Tigers. JV went back to the mound in the 5th with no focus.and maybe a little frustrated with the lack of run support. No focus all the way around today. Yes it’s contagious.
And I believe Kelly should have started over Castellanos in this one.
Can’t comment on the remainder of the game today as I went outside and put a garden in. Priorities…..

The team just mailed it in today.

About the ball four. That is his hot zone. He likes to hit when the ball is high. He likes piñatas
4.09 pitches/PA. He is patient but no way he stop making swing at that

1. We held Texas to 17 hits; they had 19 yesterday.
2. Romine continues his offensive tear!
3. The Rangers only scored in 5-9 innings.
Our SP’s have abandoned ship. The strength of the team is non-existent over the last 10 days. JV might have rushed his rehab form the surgery. He just looks clueless right now. No command at all; not fooling anyone. Awful to have to go right back on the road with the last seven game showing only 1 W. Someone needs to be a leader.
Plum Pitiful!

Greg(With sarcasm)

“Clueless In Comerica” was a boring movie. They are all over the map instead of being on the same page. jmo.

The “zubaz curse” lives. A little too much celebrating after the BoSox and O’s series sweeps!! The delayed flight and late arrival got them out of their routine for a couple of days and then they gave the Tribe 3 games and ran into a “hot” Rangers team.

Oakland is no picnic! I’ve been afraid to look at the box scores lately.

I have my own opinions as to what cursed them and it’s not the zubaz!

Hot zone or not, he shouldn’t have swung at it. The ball was high and outside. Pinatas, while they are a lot of fun, have no place in the world of instructional hitting:-)

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