Thursday’s lineups: Tigers vs. Twins

The Tigers don’t know a whole lot about Andrew Albers, but he’s a lefty, and the Tigers have had issues against lefties recently. Brayan Pena is feeling better but still dealing with the toe injury, so Jim Leyland will start Bryan Holaday, who went 1-for-2 against Albers when he faced the Mud Hens in May.

The Twins lineup has a lot of bad numbers against Justin Verlander. It also has switched Ryan Doumit and Chris Herrmann between right field and catcher for the day, since Herrmann caught Albers at Triple-A Rochester.


  1. Austin Jackson, CF
  2. Torii Hunter, RF
  3. Miguel Cabrera, 3B
  4. Prince Fielder, 1B
  5. Victor Martinez, DH
  6. Matt Tuiasosopo, LF
  7. Omar Infante, 2B
  8. Jose Iglesias, SS
  9. Bryan Holaday, C

P: Justin Verlander

TWINS (career numbers off Verlander)

  1. Brian Dozier, 2B (0-for-2, K)
  2. Chris Herrmann, C
  3. Justin Morneau, 1B (12-for-47, 2 HR, 6 walks, 14 K’s)
  4. Josh Willingham, DH (2-for-14, walk, 7 K’s)
  5. Ryan Doumit, RF (0-for-11, 3 K’s)
  6. Trevor Plouffe, 3B (3-for-20, HR, walk, 3 K’s)
  7. Clete Thomas, CF
  8. Wilkin Ramirez, LF (2-for-3, K)
  9. Doug Bernier, SS

P: Andrew Albers



I would like to see Omar moved to the number six slot in the batting order. Peralta won’t be back so it’s not like Leyland is saying his spot for him.

Oh oh – hope our usual problems with call ups does not continue today…does it seem like JV has drawn a lot of day games this year?

15 games, but he actually seems to do better at least ths year in his day starts versus his evening starts 2.45 era vs a 5.08 in his evening starts.

Infact that stat holds true trough most of his career, with an exception of a year 2008 (his worst year) where it was reversed and a couple of years where it was still in favor of day games but not a huge discrepancy. Looks like he might like day starts.

I don’t think anyone will come close to “Day Game” Brad Penny.

Not a good start.

JV already in trouble. Note to Tiger hitters> That is not Danny Duffy on the mound.

Well he minimized what coulda been much worse. Now lets see how the hitters handle this guy.

Hey Sara, nice positive post. Yes we are watching great times with Miggy on our team!

Boy why would Prince try to go for 2?

Holiday! First big league homer!

Doesn’t their pitcher Albers look like Morneau a bit? A Canadian thing maybe?

Way go to Holaday!!!

Nice to see Holaday go deep, I think he has a good future. Again, another position of strength recently for the Tigs. We turned that into what I think might be our #6 starter right now (Lobstein) who pitched well last night.

Walk the leadoff hitter, fall prey to bad luck.

Well Justin ran into a little bad luck that inning kinda. But he did walk the leadoff batter. I kinda think Infante should have caught the 1st blooper second bloop bad luck for sure. But walks kill.

Well another walk comes back to bite him in the butt. I guess we’ve got our answer on good or bad Verlander. Bad. And so sorry I’m not positive about him, but he is s giant disappointment this year. He’s just not good, he’s an average pitcher at best this year.

He’s become the #5 starter in this rotation. Unreal.

Wherther it’s bad luck or just plain poor performance, JV cannot be counted on in too many situations.

JV is having an off year for sure. Bad luck continues as Doumit is 0-11 and hits a good curve out of the park. Can we get 4 runs in the 7th or 8th?

It wasn’t bad luck it was a bad pitch that hung up.

Amoung qualified starters in AL Justin’s ranks

19th of 42 in era
28th of 42 in whip
21st of 42 in opponents batting average
Allowed 11th most hits
Allowed 7th most walks
He has more often than not, not given his team a chance to win. You hitte nail on the head Rich 5th best starter in this rotation.

He is pitching like he is still throwing 98 mph fastballs, when in fact he is throwing low 90s today. He needs to adjust and refuses to. I know everyone says he is healthy and his velocity has perked up in some games, but overall he is not throwing as hard.

He also needs to stop whining about calls, it is gowing old.

Is there any other pitcher who would be allowed to continue after giving up 6 runs on over 100 pitches? SOV in charge.

I contend that this is not really a down year for him, but maybe a little worse than average but pretty normal.
2006…3.63 era
2007…3.66 era
2008…4.84 era
2009.. 3.45 era
2010…3.37 era
2011…2.40 era
2012.. 2.64 era
2013…3.70 era

he has mostly been in the mid 3’s for his era.

Let’s go Tigers!!!!!!

Nice Jackson. ..boy JV was let off the hook. He needs to buy his guys a big fat juicy steak in NYC tonight.

Personally I like JV, however he is definately having an off year, and even though as GK puts it today is the “bad” JV, on the positive side look at the hitters…..way to go AJ!

Yes I’m impressed with how they handled Albers. Albers has been tough on people.

My god did you get a load of the blood on Miguel? Gosh what won’t go wrong with his health lately. I’m worried about him..

3-run homers atone for a multitude of sins.

Rich “Earl” Weaver?

No way I send Verlander back out there today. No way.

Me neither. But he is. I don’t know if that is an indication of what Jim thinks about JV or what he thinks about the pen?

Okay lets have a shut down inning JV.

Okay Rich we were wrong. …good shut down inning. Looks like the rain may stay away as long as it doesn’t go into extra inn innings.

I’m at work, what happened to Miggy, why is he bloody? Yikes.

Don’t know? But there is a pretty big bloody stain on his back leg. Speculation he did it diving for a ball. It’s not his leg that has been bothering him. Hope it’s nothing major.

Maybe the best thing I have seen is Infante beating out an infield single. We need him healthy for October.

It’s been pouring rain where I am for 2 hours and getting close to the D. C’mon, boys!!!!!!!

Power going on and off.

Where are you Kathy? I thought you were near Toledo for some reason?

I think TigerGirl lives in or near Toledo. She goes to the Mudhens games.

Battle Creek


Another walk…..comes back to bit them in the butt.

Aaand cue the Jackson complaints.

Do you think that is something he shoulda been able to catch? Or that a lot lf centerfielders do cactch? I’m not sure?

looked like his shoe might have caught the edge of his mitt. Didn’t show a replay.

I don’t think he could have caught it after he mis-read it, but many people want him to dive for the ball.

Trying not to complain about umps but I don’t understand the strike zone today, consistently inconsistent to both sides.

Umpires aren’t good calling balls and strikes.

Thought he got fooled a little, needed to charge the ball and he went back. Tough play, hit on a line.

Ya I’ve looked at it a few times now and it looks like he misplayed it a bit….

Wish Torii wouldn’t have popped out on the 1st pitch especially since it was a ball.

I got my fingers crossed.

for naught. Ugh!


Really wish that VMart wouldn’t have grounded out on the first pitch.
Even with how bad Verlander was we still had a small chance to win it. Walks killed the Tigers today Three of the 4 wals came around to score.. And we walked 3 times and none of them scored. I’m not going to get on AJ too much since his homer was the only reason we were in that game, but I think he did misplay that ball that scored the winning run the more I look at it.

The bottom line is we managed to drop 2 of 3 at home to the Twins who were without Joe Mauer. Baseball is a CRAZY game.

What does Leyland say only as good as your starting pitcher? Well Tuesday and Thursday starting pitching not so good.

Bummer, now on to New York. I do not like playing in NL parks, pitchers are a wasted at bat. Although maybe ours will get some hits. I know wishful thinking.

I think it’s fun to watch for a minute, but I really think its unfair to expect AL pitchers to do something they are not used to, not to mention not safe.

In true Verlander form….it’s not that he was bad…it wasn’t the walks, they only put one good swing on him according to him. God I just wsh once he’d take a little responsibility for his bad outings, I just don’t feel like he does. And yes I know I’m going to get killed on here for criticizing Verlander. But just like a lot of folks on here are really bothered by Leylands answers and demenour Verlander really bothers me.

I don’t listen to either one of them anymore. Watching the game is more than enough time spent.

I didn’t do my job. Can anyone admit that? Some can.

I’m with you Gk. JV is continuing to be treated as if he is this year’s King of the Mound. If he wants to be treated like that, he needs to do better.

I don’t often listen to the post game pressers either, but I listened today just because I wanted to hear wanted to hear what JV would say. And unfortunately he didn’t surprise me.

Just saw on Twitter that the Mets signed Dice-k and now he is starting against us tomorrow. He is a pitcher that we’ve hit and also one that frustrates us sometimes.

I am with you Rich, have no interest in the post game interviews. The way I saw it, JV made 1 bad pitch to Doumit. Wilken had a check swing hit. Frustrating that AJ tied it up and then could not catch the ball the way Clete did. Next!

Sorry it was more than 1 bad pitch. 10 hits 3 walks (2 of which scored) 2 doubles which scored runs. And the big 3 run homer. I appreciate what he accomplished in his career but he was worse than 1 bad pitch. 1 run he gave up was bad luck the rest was on him.

JV is at best the #4 SP just ahead of Porcello. If I were DD, I would consider looking for a change of scenery for JV and get a LF, Catcher or SP in return. This season has been mediocre at best and one declining in pitch selection, velocity & location!
As Jack Morris stated, he needs to pitch smarter as ages and we all know he is ego-centric and thinks he can blow people away instead of crafty pitching!

Well…..I’ve heard a lot of people say that but I’ve never heard Verlander think it.

Trade JV, that is ridiculous.

Funniest thing I heard all day: Doesn’t their pitcher Albers look like Morneau a bit? A Canadian thing maybe?

Verlander—a quick check of the stats shows he has walked six in August in four starts and thirty innings. That’s very respectable. Huge improvement over what he did the last three months. What we need to watch are his pitch counts. Four straight games over 110 with the last two over 120. That’s not good.

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