Thursday’s lineups: Tigers at White Sox

No Miguel Cabrera once again, so the hope that Cabrera would be available for one of the last two games of this series fizzled. With right-hander Jake Peavy on the mound, Andy Dirks will hit third, just as Matt Tuiasosopo did the previous couple nights.

Joaquin Benoit is not available to close today, from what Jim Leyland told reporters in Chicago this morning. Benoit said over the weekend in Kansas City that he no longer warms up in the bullpen during the middle innings in order to save his throws for games and hopefully be available to close more often, such as three or more games in a row. At least for now, it does not appear that’s going to change the game plan with how many days in a row he can pitch.

Gameday | TV: FS Detroit, MLB.TV | Radio: 97.1 FM, AM 1270, Gameday Audio

TIGERS (career numbers off Peavy)

  1. Austin Jackson, CF (8-for-25, HR, 2 walks, 9 K’s)
  2. Torii Hunter, RF (6-for-13, walk, K)
  3. Andy Dirks, LF (4-for-15, 2 walks, 2 K’s)
  4. Prince Fielder, 1B (10-for-33, 2 walks, 9 K’s)
  5. Victor Martinez, DH (1-for-4)
  6. Jhonny Peralta, SS (7-for-31, HR, 2 walks, 8 K’s)
  7. Don Kelly, 3B (1-for-7, 2 K’s)
  8. Brayan Pena, C (1-for-6)
  9. Ramon Santiago, 2B (2-for-11, 2 K’s)

P: Justin Verlander

WHITE SOX (career numbers off Verlander)

  1. Alejandro De Aza, CF (4-for-17, 2 HR, walk, 5 K’s)
  2. Alexei Ramirez, SS (12-for-54, HR, 2 walks, (9 K’s)
  3. Alex Rios, RF (12-for-37, 4 walks, 9 K’s)
  4. Adam Dunn, 1B (4-for-23, 3 HR, walk, 11 K’s)
  5. Paul Konerko, DH (9-for-55, 2 HR, 5 walks, 16 K’s)
  6. Jeff Keppinger, 2B (4-for-10)
  7. Conor Gillaspie, 3B (1-for-4, K)
  8. Dayan Viciedo, LF (2-for-12, HR, 4 K’s)
  9. Tyler Flowers, C (2-for-7, HR, 2 walks, 2 K’s)

P: Jake Peavy


people not named Beniot, Smyly and Rondon….need to step up and eat some innings.

lookin at u DD to make one appear

“We’ve got to get some of our guys to get some outs. With four-, five-, six-run leads in the ninth inning, you’ve got to have some guys get some outs without using Benoit. That’s just as simple as it is. Obviously, in defense of Putkonen, he hasn’t pitched in quite a while, but at some point you’ve got to be ready, and that’s part of that job. He got a big out for us in the ninth. Then we didn’t get the left-handed hitter.
From Mlive , Iott.
I not sure were the quote ends but Putkonen is singled out. Then “we didn’t ”
Coke failed , why not mention it too?
I think Putkonen is good enough for what they expect from him.
As I said last night, why Smyly in the 8th and the rusted one in the 9th?

….so you can use smyly today if you need to

and furthermore, if you can’t put the rusty ones into 5 run lead situations…then when do you knock the rust off?

The problem was putting Coke in. Over-managing at it’s worst. There was a 5 run lead and two top of the order RHB after De Aza. If Coke get’s De Aza then you have to let him facet a RHB (or two) or burn Benoit anyway.
If Putkonen can’t be thought of to preserve a 5 run lead then he should not even be on the roster.
This was a classic JL bullpen faux pas.

Verlander should be able to tame the ChiSox. Their lineup has hit a few homers off him in the past but this is a team, this year, that is one of baseball’s worst in terms of getting men on AND pushing them across the plate.

The neutralizing factor is the difficulty in winning four in a row in the enemy ballpark. As in that first inning, things happen.
Tiger hitters have been good at chipping away at Peavy as the lineup turns over, but I really wouldn’t expect much today.

I hope we can expect something more from Verlander though. Pretty bad 1st inning again. Hopefully he is not turning this year into 2008.
He just seems so hittable. Lost his knack for blowing hitters away.

Well I missed the first inning and a half……I was wondering which JV would show up today?? So far it doesn’t look so good, but maybe this is all he’ll give up.

He is very hittable, and I can’t swear by it, but it seems like he is giving up a lot of hits with 0-2 and 1-2 counts on batters. I am not ready to panic, but am very glad that our other pitchers are holding their own and that Max has turned into our Ace while JV works out his problems. Another base stolen against us, we seem to struggle with that this year as well.

With those uniforms, De Aza looks like a mini Harold Baines

I am still having problems posting – I tried to post my above comment 4 times and was told it could not be posted at this time, kept copying and pasting, then logged out and back in then it posted – nothing in the post should stop it from posting – maybe I need to start using something other than wordpress?

Did you try logging out from WordPress and logging back in?

I have – not sure what is happening if it is my computer or what, but has been going on for the last week, it is making me not want to post anymore!

If I enter a reply here on this page, is that using WordPress?

Looks like the Sox are having their own throwback Thursday.
Those first inning runs were on bloop hits. JV has the bender working.

I don’t know, maybe it is my browser, i use Firefox and might try internet explorer, been having some issues on other sites as well. come on boys – another win would be amazing. Just checked – Thanks Torii for getting us in the game – love when the rest of the team supplies power too.

The problem is with Worldpress. I tried to post from there and was rejected. if you log of and post from this webpage , you should have no problem (and no avatar)

Well there in the 4th….Justin threw a bad pitch to Gillepsi but sorry that’s an error on Dirks…. Andy’s got to be catching that, sorry its an error.

Check that Flowers…..Verlander doesn’t look like he will go deep in this game again..

Verlander must be tipping his pitches. Got to be.


Well I thought after he got out of the mess in the second he might of figured something out, but no he just stinks again…..hope I don’t get yelled again for criticizing him on here.

He is playing only with CF behind him. The rest of them are there in image only.
Hunter, Dirks, Kelly. Santiago, Peralta failed easy plays on not even reached the ball.

He also has problems between the ears now. Too much stomping on the mound, calling his catcher out. Come one man, act like a veteran. Learn to handle adversity, and quick.

I didn’t see the first inning so I won’t comment on what Hunter did or did not do. But the only fielder to blame for that inning is Andy Dirks and of course the pitching of Justin. And if and Andy Dirks catches that fairly routine ball that inning doesn’t happen, but JV was grooving the ball right down the middle.

can Cabby PH?

Much of the above is true. But JV is the architect of his own demise. Flowers could not touch his fastball. Especially the high fastball (which he was swinging at). JV threw him the wrong pitch. Yes, Dirks should have had that ball. but the Sox are teeing off on Justin and hitting the ball very hard. Andy is a so-so player for us right now and I question his spot on the roster.
Santiago too.
What I don’t like seeing is it seems as though the team (only 4 runs down in that bandbox) has given in (given up?) to 1st pitch swinging.

Another grooved pitch to a guy batting .205….. Defense didn’t get him there.

His era now at 4.00.

I dont think he is not at fault too. He has no command , his SO/9 is going down fast. But when the hitters make contact , he has the right to expect that they keep the ball inside the glove. Each error, each ball that could have been and out add pitches to a tired? arm.
He has a better ERA with Peña( or had before today) than with Avila

I think that the 4 run inning those should be unearned no doubt. But he’s just not right and unless he is hurt we have te right to expect more from him. I wonder if Rich is right and he is tipping his pitches.

If so, it can be fixed. A tired arm or bad planning in ST…that would be a real problem

the problem with justin this year is his problems are dynamic. some outings it was the separation between fastball and offspeed stuff. Other outings he can’t command the fastball. Sometimes it seems mental. Sometimes he has it all together. etc etc

hard to sweep any team at their home ballpark in a 4 game series. very hard to do. Not to mention your best player is sitting on the bench feeding fig newtons to the boys instead of sending balls out of the park.

Well…………you just can’t count on JV this year, and if they can’t figure it out then we are in trouble. He’s quickly becoming the #5 pitcher, can that be true?? But when he is scheduled pitch I feel like there is only about a 30% chance we will win the game. Really not so upset the game was lost, but more upset that Justin is soooo bad, and worried about Torii?

I don’t know what more can be said about JV. Someone is going to have to figure his problem out and if he can’t do it then he will have to deflate his head enough to accept help from someone else. Yes, it is a fact that it is hard to get a 4-game sweep against any team in their home park but that does not excuse JV’s performance and Dirks’ error.
At least when they play the Phillies and Nats they will be able to use the DH at home. If they can replicate the first 3 games in Chicago they should be able to take the series from both NL teams considering their records lately.

Geez, Brayan Pena takes the blame 100%.

and, Verlander throws him under the bus. “I like to pitch fast, and he knows that.”

Maybe he should be more concerned with getting guys out instead of pitching fast. He gave up 11 hits for crying out loud.

Well in the interview me and Jonesie figured out a few things……I feel like I’ve heard that well four or five times this year. I hope their right, I just don’t know.

What he said?

What did he say?

Verlander said something like he and Jones figured out a few things ths week, but it might take some time to execute and he might be erratic but since everyone else is pitching well he doesn’t feel like he needs to carry the team.
I guess I’ve heard this song and dance once too many times I just hope it’s true this time.

Infante not ready until monday.
Miguel not ready
Hunter to play thru injury

Verlander once expressed a desire to be a career Tiger. Fans won’t accept blame and excuses from their heroes/stars. If they turn on him he will want to go somewhere else.
JV has a pretty high opinion of himself. We all know that. The celebrity stuff, the belief (and he really did believe) that he could perform at the HR Derby, etc.
It’s a double edged sword. The self confidence can help a player’s performance but it can also lead to excuses and self denial. we saw that with Inge in smaller doses.
It’s not time to give up on JV. He has an enormous talent. But when it comes time to rethink the financial and roster dynamics of the ball club, specifically the rotation, it could get interesting.
Meanwhile—–back at the ranch, we have a bullpen and a left-field issue still to deal with.

Give up on Verlander? Have you seen the contract he signed. He is going nowhere. So he needs to figure it out.

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