Tuesday’s lineups: Tigers at White Sox

Miguel Cabrera has been playing through hip and back issues for close to a month. He is not playing tonight. It might be time for him to take a few days.

Even during last week’s All-Star festivities, Cabrera’s hip was a question. It dates back at least to the series in Toronto at the start of the month, when he dove for a ball on the Rogers Centre turf and felt it. In dealing with the hip, he felt it in his back. They’re two related injuries, and as well as Cabrera has been hitting, they’ve been hampering him for a while.

Cabrera not only has been one of the best players in baseball the last few years, he has been one of its most durable. He hasn’t missed significant time in the regular season since the Tigers shut him down the final week of the 2010 campaign with an ankle sprain. The Tigers were long since out of the race at that point, so there was no reason for him to play hurt.

He has played and hit through aches and pains since. There’s a question for the Tigers to face now: Are they better off having Cabrera sit for a little bit this week if it can get him back to health (or at least close to 100%) for the stretch run?

TIGERS (career numbers against Hector Santiago)

  1. Austin Jackson, CF (0-for-4, walk, 2 K’s)
  2. Torii Hunter, RF
  3. Matt Tuiasosopo, LF
  4. Prince Fielder, 1B (2-for-3, walk)
  5. Victor Martinez, DH
  6. Jhonny Peralta, SS (0-for-5, 2 walks, 2 K’s)
  7. Alex Avila, C (0-for-5, walk, 2 K’s)
  8. Don Kelly, 3B
  9. Hernan Perez, 2B

P: Rick Porcello

WHITE SOX (career numbers off Porcello)

  1. Alejandro De Aza, CF (3-for-16, 3 walks, 2 K’s)
  2. Alexei Ramirez, SS (5-for-33, HR, K)
  3. Alex Rios, RF (6-for-31, 3 HR, 6 K’s)
  4. Adam Dunn, 1B (3-for-12, HR, 4 K’s)
  5. Paul Konerko, DH (11-for-29, HR, 3 walks, 2 K’s)
  6. Jeff Keppinger, 2B (1-for-6, 2 K’s)
  7. Conor Gillaspie, 3B (2-for-3, HR, K)
  8. Dayan Viciedo, LF (6-for-15, HR, K)
  9. Josh Phegley, C

P: Hector Santiago


Play it by ear. If the other guys step up while Miggy sits and we win some games, he can get healed up some. It happens. If they go into a protracted scuffle, that’s a problem.
I’d say they will pitch to Tuiasosopo, so there’s that. Heat up, Prince!

can anyone give me a reason why the line up isn’t shifted forward (prince batting 3 between torii and victor)? holy moly – ugh that makes me sick. good riddance JL.

Wow from you! Didn’t you name a kid after him?

and the kid turned two on sunday

well i guess who would you want batting behind torii? a guy with a 1.025OPS or a .817OPS? lol

welcome to life without Cabby, everyone! It’s like looking into the future!
Seriously tho, 23M for a 0.7WAR? Prince, it is time to starting hitting.

Miggy…… 😦. Well I guess he never gets to hit anyway. Rich is right 2E might get some pitches to hit.

from MLBTRADERUMORS: “One more note from Crasnick, who tweets that the Braves also checked in on Phil Coke in their quest for lefty relief help, but nothing came of the talks with the Tigers. Coke has had a brutal season because of overexposure against right-handed hitters, but he’s held lefties to a .231/.271/.346 batting line.”
it doesn’t take a genius to realize Coke shouldn’t have been pitching to RHB

Please, don’t let DD find out Brandon Inge has been DFA’d

can today get worse?

for the record it’s generally OK to put your big bopper in the 4th spot. However that assumes you have the guys in front of him to make it work….i.e. the OBP for 1-3 exceeds 1.00. However, in the past 7 days today’s 1-3 guys sum OBP is .176+.167+.167 = .510.
Not to mention Fielder has been putting up 2012 quintin berry WAR numbers while taking the crown for most expensive 1B in the majors. So get him going JL: surround him with 2 guys who can hit (Hunter and Victor)!!

Peralta’s 2012 OWAR was 1.4 and Alex’s was 2.0, prince in 2013: 1.7 OWAR

It could be worse, since Kelly is replacing Cabrera, he could be hitting 3rd. .


I don’t have a problem with the lineup. If a RH pitcher was going tonight Dirks would bat 2nd and Hunter 3rd. Only other option would be VMart 3rd and 2E or Peralta 5th.

The Orioles have acquired Francisco Rodriguez for Nick Delmonico.

What coulda been a promising 1st inning went south. Bad call by ump I think, bu not completely sure of rules.

What the hell is Leyland doing? Stop running these guys!

Well Ricky doesn’t stand a chance if this ump is going to screw him over by not calling those low strikes strikes. Doesn’t stand a freaking chance.

olney:”K-Rod was the best available late-inning option on the market, and the Orioles get him. Depth is really scarce right now.”

I actually agree with the ump. Dunn had the base path blocked. You can’t do that without the ball in your hand or making a play for the ball.
I like Austin Jackson and feel fortunate to have him but he is not improving like he should as a ball player IMO.
There are too many things about his game he doesn’t change or seem to work on.
Base stealing- he has gotten worse. Can’t get a good jump, terrible against lefties, won’t even consider stealing 3rd. With his natural speed he should be able to add this element to the Tiger offense and steal 30 bases easily.
Bunting for hits- Just doesn’t appear interested in this at all. He is as boring a base runner as VMart, Fielder and Peralta.
Diving for balls to steal hits for his pitchers-AJ just refuses to this. How great an outfielder could this guy be? How great a player if he had just a little Pete Rose or Kirk Gibson in him?
I think this is going to be a long game without Miggy.

Infante going to rehab tomorrow.

Rick doesn’t stand a chance…….

If we get out of this inning we will be pretty darn lucky.
David Dombrowski couldn’t come up with anything better than Nick Delmonico?

My thinking exactly.

Ricky is going to have to find a way to deal with this strike zone. Our hitters should be thinking the same thing.

Well despite Dunn and Konerko being struck out Rick still managed to get out of it. Better see the same strike zone for the other guy ump.

It won’t happen GK. Santiago is a lefty and our guys are not taking pitches.
DD had better hang on to McCann. Avila might be done. He looks awful on both sides of the dish.

Rick got the pitch count back in order that inning.

Time for Hernan’s 1st big league ding!
KRod would have looked real good on this team IMO.
Hopefully DD is serious about this bullpen and hopefully he is going to get a lefty now. My choice is Oliver Perez but I would settle for Furbush.

Peralta seems to me to be playing like someone who is playing with a lot on his mind.

De Aza. That’s what you want your leadoff hitter to be ABLE to do.
He’ll probably steal and Alex won’t have a chance to get him.

I wonder what AJ’s numbers are with RISP? I would imagine they are dreadful.

That kid, Perez, looks pretty good at 2nd base,

Nice play by Perez.

Victor has more doubles 22 to 21 . Hits 103 to 100 and less SO 45 to 76 than Fielder. And 4 points above in avg

Just checked–not as bad as I thought they would be. .227 with RISP and 2 out.

Trade Fielder!!!

AJ is no good with RISP.

Jackson RISP:291 .394 .491 .885 20 RBI. Only 55 AB, of course.

RISP, two outs: 22 AB:.227.320.273.593.


An agile 1st baseman turns the throw from Perez into an out. He did have more time than he thought though. Also had a very important SacFly.
He is definitely a major leaguer.

OMG! Inside the pARK hr.

No, a tripe and an error, OMG, the White Sox are so sloppy.

Triple. Geez, I can”t type tonight. That was fun, though. Good for him. If I was a White Sox fans there would be no words!!!


I just read on Twitter that Omar is going to West Michigan Whitecaps tomorrow. Also, the Tigers have scouts at Padres game.

Who do you want instead of Fielder? Dunn?

troy tulowinksi [sic] – but you’d have to eat part of prince’s contract and maybe give up some draft picks / prospects.

48 MM according to Cameron

A 1st baseman and someone who earns every bit of his salary in terms of performance expectations.
JL took Q out one batter too late. IMO, if and when Q walks a leadoff hitter–you take him out. Simple as that. Particularly in his 2nd inning of work.
Castellanos homered today and Avi did as well.

Not sure why Q came back in the game in the 9th but in his defense he struck both those guys out. Chalk 2 up for the ump. (Maybe more)

6-0 , he wanted to keep Benoit rested.

probably a good call – well see tomorrow, tho.

Good game tonight. How many scoreless starts is that for Porcello this year?
Perez flashed some leather tonight.
If Al had gotten that call to the second hitter in the 9th, maybe Leyland isn’t marching out there so quickly. For Al’s part, he shouldn’t do that freeze frame pose when he gets hosed on a call. That won’t get you the next call for sure.
Got a W without Miggy, tonight’s mission accomplished.

1. Hernan showcases the glove, the bat, the legs. Nice to watch.
2. Ricky P. walks three. but gives up only four hits. The recovery in the first was huge for him.
3. Jhonny P. makes a solid contribution, with thoughts of Braun and A-Rod in the back of his mind.
Kudos to Don for paying a good third. Made it back out of the hospital again. Fighting a platelet problem. God is good all the time. Let’s sweep the Sawx.


He is. Thank you, Greg!

Thanks Greg.
Wish you the best and a speedy recovery.

was it just me – or did the large portion of the hits go to don? i’m glad cabby wasn’t in there. BUT GET 2E OUT of the 3 spot, for gosh sakes JL!!!

Thanks for the update Greg

Anyone else having troubles posting – it keeps saying it will not post my comment when I post from WordPress – Beck – did you block me?

Tiger Girl…

Yes, TigerGirl but only when I brought up a specific topic.

huh – it has been blocking me for over a week and most of my comments have been pretty basic stuff. I thought I might have been put in time out!

Well, it let me post that time – we will see! Ricky did a heck of a job. Can you believe the errors this Sox team makes? Donnie did a great job defensively last night, and I guess they were afraid of his bat walking him a few times, once for an RBI to boot! I guess if Cabby needs a rest this is the series for it, we are holding our own w/out him.

How about this – The Tigers should offer a 2 year contract extension to Peralta right now. Perhaps at the salary he has now. This allows Peralta to appeal any suspension in 2013 and if he does have to serve a suspension he will have the luxury of not being a free agent that is suspended. If he serves 25 or 50 games at the begining of 2014, the Tigers can prepare, and Peralta will still have a job. If Peralta pulls a Braun and sits it out this year so there is no suspension lingering when he becomes a UFA, that would really put the Tigers in a bind.

We don’t know if or what he allegedly did, so it makes it kind of difficult to speculate under these circumstances. I hope he can play out the rest of the season.

well if he DID do it – and he knows that – then he should try to not F the tigers over even if it F’s him over. Because he did some wrong things and allowing the tigers to take the hit would be un cool

As I understand the way this is set up, Bud Selig holds the sole power to suspend players arbitrarily, based on the word of the shady character who ran BioGenisis. It’s impossible to guess what will happen. What a player did or didn’t do is secondary to the statement Mr. Selig intends to make.
There are similarities to the Black Sox scandal in all this.

I found it very refreshing to hear Max come out and make a statement regarding the Braun suspension. He didn’t pussyfoot around and expressed his true opinion. Kudos to him. Torii said pretty much nothing and JL was diplomatic, even critical of others making statements. I can understand this as one of his players is involved with the “jury still out” so to speak.
As to keeping JP. I wouldn’t and not because of the Biogenesis issue, but because we need to shore up our defense and improve team speed, as well as some salary relief. JP has pleasantly surprised with the bat. His range will be even more diminished next year and with guys like Porcello, Smyly and possibly Fister throwing
again it will be an area that finally need to be addressed.

We sure got an eyeful of Hernan Perez last night, didn’t we?

moving forward – I hope he can fight for a starter’s IF job in the next season or two.

I understand your points about SS in the future and team speed/defense. However that guy does not exist in our system currently. And to find a free agent of that caliber will cost just as much. So unless we want another Adam Everett (remember those days?) where we give up a couple outs a game for someone with more range, I would look to Peralta for a couple years.

Knobler:”Tigers people are said to be split on Veras, by the way. If I had to guess, they don’t go for him. But some pushing for him.”

Tiger Girl.
The problem is with gravatar or worldpress. i tried to post using it and received a message , that comment cant be posted.

Could be an compatibility issue or a filter gone wild

a compatibility

From SI,Verducci:
“A 50-game suspension for a Detroit player would carry into the postseason if it is decided after Aug. 7”

Do you think Omar could our shortstop?

It would never happen, but to answer your question, Omar hasn’t played SS since 2010 with Atlanta, and that was limited to 19 games. He was a super-utility guy there. Funny thing is, I saw one of those games he played short in Washington. He made a nice diving play deep in the hole to his right.

Eugenio Suarez is being developed to be the SS. He is expected to hit around 250-270. The usual for a SS.
Peralta hit 239 last year , that is Brendan Ryan without the glove
His Babip this year is around 400. He will fall to his career avg of 267
Perez is seen as Worth with a better glove and younger.He was rushed from AA so the Tigers like him

Tigers signed Jurjens. Who s next? Casey Fien? John Smoltz?

Jokes apart,Furbush would be a good target

Cabrera out of lineup tonight

Austin Jackson CF, Torii Hunter RF, Matt Tuiasosopo LF, Prince Fielder 1B, Victor Martinez DH, Jhonny Peralta SS, Don Kelly 3B, Hernan Perez 2B, Alex Avila C. Sanchez P

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