Canada Day lineups: Tigers at Blue Jays

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If you were looking for a lineup overhaul today after the struggles in Tampa Bay, you’re likely disappointed. If you were looking for some sort of change, there’s one interesting tweak in the bottom half of the order, where Omar Infante moves up to the seventh spot. Andy Dirks is down to eighth. I’m not sure if that’s a matchups play on the part of Leyland, noting that Infante is 13-for-28 off R.A. Dickey (including 12-for-25 against him during Dickey’s knuckleballing revival), or if it’s more than that. We didn’t see the lineup before Leyland talked, so there wasn’t a chance to ask.

For what it’s worth, Infante’s numbers off Dickey are strong enough that I put my 15-game streak on the line with him in Beat the Streak.

On the Jays’ side, it’s much the same lineup as they had yesterday in Boston, except Josh Thole is catching Dickey.

Today’s game is the only matinee on the MLB docket, which makes it an easy pick as the MLB.TV Free Game of the Day. So if you’re not in Michigan or northwest Ohio and you’re looking for a way to spend the afternoon, tune in.

Gameday | TV: FS Detroit, MLB.TVRadio: 97.1 FM, AM 1270, Gameday Audio

TIGERS (career numbers off Dickey)

  1. Austin Jackson, CF (2-for-3, HR, walk)
  2. Torii Hunter, RF (6-for-12, 3 K’s)
  3. Miguel Cabrera, 3B (5-for-15, HR, 2 walks)
  4. Prince Fielder, 1B (2-for-10, 2 K’s)
  5. Victor Martinez, DH (2-for-6, walk, 2 K’s)
  6. Jhonny Peralta, SS (2-for-12, 3 K’s)
  7. Omar Infante, 2B (13-for-28)
  8. Andy Dirks, LF (1-for-1, HR)
  9. Brayan Pena, C (1-for-1)

P: Jose Alvarez


  1. Jose Reyes, SS
  2. Jose Bautista, RF
  3. Edwin Encarnacion, DH
  4. Mark DeRosa, 1B
  5. Rajai Davis, LF
  6. Colby Rasmus, CF
  7. Maicer Izturis, 3B
  8. Josh Thole, C
  9. Munenori Kawasaki, 2B

P: R.A. Dickey


Happy Canada Day, Dan !!!!
Yesterday, I could have stayed in and watched the game or go into nature and enjoy a hike. I chose the latter. Based on the the comments on here and the boxscore, I made the right choice. 1 for 10 with RISP and a based loaded, no out and zero runs tells me all I need to know.
Now, they are coming to my town playing their worst ball of the year. I hope they snap out of it quick or we will be trailing the Tribe by the weekend.
— Bob

imma listen to the game today. i won’t comment on it however. mired in negativity right now. go tiges.

Come on offense – WAKE UP!!

Greg – saw your post yesterday – hope all is well my Tiger friend

No Encarncion; no Adam Lind.
Two heavy heavy hitters out. I still think Alvarez may be in for a rude awakening.
We need our hitters to hit.
Leyland may need to shake up this Same Ol Same Ol he puts out there.
He might need to change the lineu[.
Enjoy the game, enjoy Canada Day and for all Blue Jay fanse, I hope you enjoy the Fireworks display after the game and not the game itself.

We need to sweep my husband’s team – – I prefer when I get the bragging rights for the year.

You really think Jimmy Smokes will shake things up? Did he ask Prince on Sunday if he wanted to DH? Seriously? So I heard the Tigers are hitting .220 after the 7th inning. Who is motivating them? Yes, we need a new chemist. What is Miggy’s avg. in the late innings? Happy Canada Day, eh! Go Tigers!

ok 1 comment: pitch 2 on Jhonny Peralta in the 2nd inning… game day….was labeled a 62mph Eephus pitch. not kidding.

Great throw by Andy to Pena to get the runner at home. We needed that!

Ya but I can’t believe Alvarez walled a lefty batting .091. Can’t do that…then a baulk.

Very big mistakes by the rookie. Bottom of the lineup, LHB sub .100 hitter and he walks him-then the balk.
Too bad as he had the Jays back on their heels with his quick pitching. He pounds the strike zone.
Dirks needs to swap places with Castellanos.

Dan, I’ve read things that say he’s not that hot in the field. I have no idea. Have you heard anything about his defense?

Could be a rough day. ..dickey looks like he’s on his game today.

0 for 2 with RISP. The trend continues.
— Bob

Alvarez put that pitch right on a tee for Reyes. He should send him a thank you present.

You cannot tell me this team is ready to play baseball. That is little league crap. Wake up and get your heads out of your arses.
— Bob

This game is about to blow up here in the 3rd.
— Bob

ok last comment. i think this game is already out of hand – we’ve already lost. on the road – no runs through 3innings – alvarez looks mediocre AAA.

Oh, I don’t think he’s mediocre. Not looking so hot today, but he has shown good stuff.

Maybe, if the Tigers had been able to plate some runs, he wouldn’t be so nervous.

Repeat >>> AJ is no good with RISP.

Throw from Dirks was good. Bad break on the turf. We get no breaks. Like I said, this game is blowing up.
Bautista needs to have one thrown at his ear. He is a jerk.
— Bob

Welcome to the Major Leagues Jose. This is what will happen to you when you walk LHBs.

Yep. His stuff is not good enough to work around walks. He needs to be perfect with his location or he will be hit very hard.
— Bob

Didn’t the Tigers have a back plan in case one of their starters was injured? Oh yeah, we would have NO bullpen if Smyly was a starter! I think I will go cut the grass!

Alvarez has been pretty good until today…..but yes we do need Sanchez back. But I don’t think DD has done a good job at all with his drafting… Farm system is completely bare for the most part….pitching is scarce.

3rd inning and the way Dickey is pitching this game is already over. …I’m on vacation and the weather is as crappy as the Tigers so not much to do. Might be time to take a nap and hope when I wake up I’m pleasantly surprised by a comeback. I can always dream about a team that doesn’t underperform.
Based on how they were in the first 6 weeks of the season this certianly isn’t te team I thought we were getting this year.

LP started out so well then a 3-run homer. Now 8-2. A comeback is very doubtful at this point. Goodbye first place. What next?

yet another bad day at the old ball park……. and the beat goes on.

What next? Start a fire!

Maybe being out of first will force these guys into playing better ball?

You are probably right, Greg. Isnt it sad that it takes that to play good ball? One of these times, they are going to go and flip that switch and it doesnt work. The “not too high, not too low” battle cry wont have any validity then.
— Bob

Where’s the leadership? Where’s the management?

Ya but I have mixed feelings about that…blaming it on management completely that is. Your gonna have up and down days, but why should you have to give pep rah rah talks to millionaires? Today I think Dickey was on his game, but put up some sort of fight. I was more disappointed over the weekend than this game. The troublesome thing to me is a lack of fight..if we don’t get out to a large lead early it just seems like we don’t stand much of a chance. Like yesterday late innings several chances to add runs including a bases loaded and nobody out and not even a stinking sac fly. It’s not a good sign for a team.

GK, i know we’ve had our runs in, but i really respect your opinion. But sometimes I think you might just be Jim Lelyland in disguise. Stop making excuses for him. You can see the common theme in this thread and its that its time for Leyland to put up or shut up. He used to really manage this team, now he just lets chips fall where they may. Even you admit, they have no fight in them. That sits sqarely on management. And yes, if there is anything a manager is supposed to do, its to give “rah rah pep talks to millionaires”. Just because they are millionaires doesnt mean they are not human and need a HUGE attitude adjustment. If that doesnt fall on a head coach, I dont know what does. Where is that Leyland from 2006 when the Tigers coasted after winning the first two in a series against the Tribe and he got on tv and called out his whole team! I remember it vividly, and those boys need a wake up call. I know you like to give perspective and I really appreciate it because it helps me from not blowing up at times, but I can even tell from your tone, that you are running out of patience and excuses.

i love when people who don’t have pitches and forks are treated sometimes. GK isn’t in the minority – most people don’t think leyland has lost it. I don’t think professionals should ever need a pep talk. HOWEVER it might be time for leyland to call out his offense. Or at least staying mentally in the game for more than 7 innings.

Management does have to come into question. You can’t have high priced talen underperforming.
Leyland teams are for more prone to complacency than they are to excellence.
He might be popular with his players but maybe he is “focussing on the wrong thing”..

Omar showed up today…and that’s about it!

If this was a one-time thing, or something that happened once every 5 years, maybe you could find an excuse. But during JL’s 8 years this seems to be happening all the time. Even when they seemed to be on a roll in ’06 and ’12, they collapsed. Every player has his slumps but every player seemingly all at once? What will it take to get back on track?

I think this whole team can share responsibility for this mess. But, I do think Dan has hit on something. I see JL as a little too low key and his teams reflect that. I get a little tired of his turn the page, tomorrow is another game attitude. Can’t say that after game 163 when the team is in 2nd place.

Come on Tigers, reach deep down and find some fire!

Kathy, sorry I missed your question. I have heard a few things about his defense. Firstly he is making progress and handling the transition pretty well. I have also heard that his defense is poor. I have also heard that defense should not be used in the same sentence as his name.
I was hoping that someone who watches MudHen baseball might be able to give us some insight.
I think they have missed their opportunity to call him up. With 2E down and Garcia showing signs of not being ready, they had a chance to see what he could do.
2E will be back soon and Garcia will be gone. He was wasted by Leyland.
As to JL, how good a manager can you be when it can be argued that he has mis-used the following players this half season already:

Thanks, Dan. It’s not like he’s on fire with the bat, either. Respectable, yes. But I don’t know if bringing him up would do anything except disstract the fans from our current meltdown. At this rate, we might make 3rd place. Heck, even Toronto is 5th in their division. We’ve looked so pathetic lately.

It comes down to accountability. Leyland doesn’t hold his players accountable and Dombrowski/Ilitch don’t hold Leyland accountable, while the players don’t hold each other accountable. The money keeps rolling in. That’s the account that counts.
I suppose the fact that I watch less and less games doesn’t count.
And you can count the number of “counts” in this post.

i love it Rich. simple and true. (and i counted 8 “counts”)

I do not blame management or players. I just want accountability I think you do `need to give pep talks to these high priced, high profile players. Verlander has a big ego so how does the manager handle it? Have you ever seen Leyland have fun? Isn’t this kids game supposed to be fun? I think Dan said it best. Polite and Boring. Where will we be September 1st?

Rich, you and I think alike. I was posting and just saw your post. Reminds me of a song, “goin’ down, to the whippin’ post”

Do we know for sure that he doesn’t hold them accountable in private? Many managers don’t criticize players in public.

ding ding ding ding ding ding

I mean you get the same guys in the same slots playing everyday, whether they produce or not. Does anyone else’s job work like that?
I will say that the team members are very polite, dress well on road trips, and give autographs upon request.

I think everyone is accountable, from top to bottom…it’s a team after all (by the way that includes Leyland). But when it comes down to it players have to perform……Illitch, Dombrowski and Leyland can not do it for them. Yelling is not an effective way to get production, ( or booing from the crowd) especially when half the guys your yelling at make more money and have more power than you.

seems like you still have on your JL mask GK. excuses, excuses. And when was yelling NOT effective? it sure worked for my dad on me. it worked for a hundred years in baseball before they started making stupid amounts of money. it worked back in 2006 when Leyland had something to prove. how would you deal with it? pat them on the back for every loss, tell them to turn the page again? just wait and let things play out? that would be called the “non-managing style of management”. you dont just sit there, you do something about it. instead of lighting the cigarette every post game, he needs to light a fire in that team!

I thought I just said everyone is accountable??!! But players are the ones who have the most control over wins and losses since they hit pitch and field.

I think when your team is winning you have fun. I’m not a fan of those ridiculous dress codes and gimicky things that Joe Madden does. Joe Madden is praised for these things …..I just think is bizarre, treating grown mean like children. By the way Hoe Madden said over the weekend Miguel Cabrera cries too much. Guess he’s never had a ball thrown at his head at 98 miles per hour.

“You cant fire twenty-five players but you can fire the manager” Leo Durocher.
It wont happen but has been done before during the season with success.
The Cabrera- Maddon incident looks like an attempt to spark something. It was him who yelled at Valverde last year when he was failing to get it done.
Its has been that way for while already,players are on their own. The Tigers are no different of other teams today or from 40 years ago.

Beck and Iott: Sanchez hit by a come backer. Just 23 pitches of 60

That’s funny, Hoe Madden. Remember, this IS a kid’s game!

Norah, I think JL is quite adept at criticizing players who are not his favourites. He skillfully camoflauges his comments. Just think how he has referred to Santiago and before that ( I have no idea how Santiago has survived this subtle criticism) Infante. Grilli caught a little as did Huff during his brief stay. And guys like Jones, Sheffield, Inge always were lauded in the media.
I actually think this is an indication of a serious flaw in JL’s managerial ability. You attract his loyalty you’re OK you cross his path, you create a hard row to hoe. IMO this is a huge testament to Infante coming back here an playing as well as he has

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