Monday’s lineups: Tigers at Royals


Nothing unusual here. The hitters in the middle of the Tigers order all have some success off of Jeremy Guthrie, who’s holding hitters to a .205 average at Kauffman Stadium this year.

As someone pointed out on twitter, Jhonny Peralta won’t have to worry about Jeff Francoeur’s arm if he wants to go from first to third on a single tonight. David Lough gets the start in right field.

One note for down the road: Jim Leyland gave a heads-up today and said he’s considering giving Matt Tuiasosopo a start against James Shields, who’s currently holding left-handed hitters to a .198 average compared to .273 for righties. He has similar reverse splits for his career, but not nearly so big. Leyland isn’t committed to it, but said he’s pondering it.

The Tigers’ past success off Guthrie led me to try doubling down in Beat the Streak. This time, though, I took a chance and went away from Cabrera in favor of Prince Fielder and Jhonny Peralta. You can see all the beat writers’ picks here.

TIGERS (career numbers off Guthrie)

  1. Andy Dirks, LF (3-for-10, 2 K’s)
  2. Torii Hunter, RF (8-for-26, 2 K’s)
  3. Miguel Cabrera, 3B (9-for-26, 2 HR, 4 walks, 5 K’s)
  4. Prince Fielder, 1B (5-for-9, 2 walks)
  5. Victor Martinez, DH (5-for-14, 2 walks, K)
  6. Jhonny Peralta, SS (7-for-21, 2 walks, K)
  7. Alex Avila, C (3-for-14, HR, 3 walks, 3 K’s)
  8. Omar Infante, 2B (2-for-7, HR)
  9. Avisail Garcia, CF

P: Doug Fister

ROYALS (career numbers off Fister)

  1. Alex Gordon, LF (5-for-17, 3 K’s)
  2. Eric Hosmer, 1B (2-for-7, walk)
  3. Salvador Perez, C (2-for-12, K)
  4. Billy Butler, DH (6-for-19, 2 walks, 3 K’s)
  5. Lorenzo Cain, CF
  6. Mike Moustakas, 3B (4-for-10, HR, 2 K’s)
  7. David Lough, RF (1-for-4, K)
  8. Chris Getz, 2B (1-for-5, 2 walks)
  9. Alcides Escobar, SS (5-for-18, HR, walk, 3 K’s)

P: Jeremy Guthrie


2E or (I’m Gonna Sit Right Down And Write Myself a Letter)

Royals have much improved pitching while their hitters are struggling.

Here’s hoping Doug Fister gets the more than the 2 runs of support these yahoos have given him over his last 22 1/2 inning pitched.

Need to get somebody in the leads off position who can get on base …it’s been since May 24th since our lead off hitter in the first has managed to get on base. Mostly Dirks but also Infante.

Through a few here it doesn’t look likes Fister should expect much support.


outta here

2 runs Fister probably doesn’t know what to think.

Avi! Holy smokes i wish there was more communication there or SOMETHING that was gnarly

It was certainly hit they didn’t need to play it into a triple and an eventual three runs….although I have never been as enamored with his defensive skills as others around here. One good asset in the playoffs seems to have gotten him a reputation as this incredible fielder….and yes he has a nice arm but he misplays and takes bad routes to balls. He needs work.

Garcia did a great job playing that into a triple and two runs scored……dude needs work.

guy is green. something oft overlooked with kelly

Defense failed big time in this inning…..

Diving is alway the wrong play. Where was the backup? Both failed there

Speed kills.
JP had a tough inning. He probably could have had Escobar had he broke in right away. Still, like I say, that speed will cause problems.

Ya but the big problem in that inning was Garcia.

At least he’ll leave his feet. I love to see that. One guy dives the other backs him up. Ball was perfectly placed.
Speaking of not leaving his feet. Toledo has 12 runs and 11 hits and AJ is 0 x 2.

Better be damn sure you can make the play if you leave your feet…….he shouldn’t have left them there….especially since it appears he didn’t call for it since Torii had to pel off in order not to run him over…..he cost his team and Doug Fister with that poor decision.

A work in progress.

That should be in AAA soon enough!

A cada uno lo suyo.

To each his own….yep but the extra run he costs his team is the answer here…..and since it appears the team decided two runs was all the run support they were going to give Fister with their crappy lazy at bats…it just might be the difference in a win and a loss,,,,

Doesn’t appear like we are getting max effort today from the team. Be nice to see some of these fly balls turn into line drives.

It’s official, JP is not having a good game!

Enough is enough. Time for the Tiger hitters to support Fister. He’s pitched well enough to win.

That’s how you dive for a ball when you can keep it in front of you and it’s not a cap shoot.

“Crap shoot”.

Fister must wonder what the heck he has to do to get some support????

Go to Seattle?

Not sure at least this year he is getting anymore than he got in Seattle… least lately.

Off season trade for DD:
Fielder and Fister to the Giants for Romo, Bumgarner and Crawford

One lazy fly ball out after another……

Yost doesn’t agonize over pitching decisions much. That is JL’s main worry. He’s just not entirely sure when or when not to go to the pen.
Peralta up here—may as well go for the fence Jhonny. Everybody else has.

I think Rich said it the other day….this team needs to bottle up whatever they have at home and take it on the road…because they certainly don’t hit the same.

I don’t think we have a hope in hell of manufacturing a run in the 9th. Another road opening loss. Pretty typical Tiger baseball the last two years.

Sick of the word “stranded”.

Gotta feel bad for Fister. He always seems to have that one costly inning though. A little to casual today at short (and I admit it usually is not a problem) today for JP. It did impact that 3 run inning.

Sure but … woulda been a single and not he winning run had Garcia not made a foolish decision.

But don’t forget they are so very fast runners.

Might of been time to get 2e in there to hit for Garcia….at least he might stand a chance Garcia looked severely outmatched…..

Poor ABs and shoddy defense allowed KC to outplay Detroit in every facet of the game, and that’s the story of this one. The Tigers could win 100+ games if they addressed this problem with road games.

Is Garcia on your trade-bait list GK?

No—- I think he might have a bright future, but right now he is an okay hitter, but his play in the field leaves a lot to be desired. Let me put it ths way for many reasons including needing a lead off hitter I will be glad to see AJ back and Garcia go to Toledo.

Ok animosity is wrong against the 174 but ok with the rookie. Hunter had to back him up. He has failed once and again during the season but he won a GG. Still him or 2E over kelly

I don’t have animosity for either of them. But Kelly doesn’t cost his team in the field ever really and even if he always seems to do something to contribute. (His hitting is horrible no getting around that
But today it appeared that he probably didn’t call for the ball so it didn’t leave Torri any choice but to peel off at the last minute, so he couldn’t back it up, it appeared Torii eas going to play it on a hop. He has a bright future, but he screwed up today. But it sounds like it is everyone’s fault but Garcias in your opinion.
Lots of lazy fly balls didn’t help much tonight either.

I think Torii has played “soft” in RF all year. Teams are running on him more. He does not appear to be 100% hustle anymore and inclined to give up on balls he would have automatically gone for in the past. I thought he should have been backing up the ball hit to Garcia too.
As to Garcia, he’s young, and he tried to stop the damage to his pitcher. He catches that ball he’s a hero and probably gets a DP at 1st too.
We didn’t lose the game because of that play. we lost the game because we didn’t hit………again. Same old refrain.

I agree with all you said except that play caused the 3rd run.

You wouldn’t believe the number of batters who chose to swing at the first thing they saw tonight or the second. I’m not against going after the first pitch, if the situation calls for it. I guess, better said, sometimes you need to take a pitch, if the situation calls for it. Five batters went for the first pitch, one had a base hit. There were probably seven more who went after the second pitch. Not much success again. It’s like when Guthrie would walk a batter, by George, I’d be taking the next pitch for sure. Or when he has a quick inning, give Dough a chance to catch his breath by taking a pitch. I have noticed that Andy has not had too many hitters counts lately while leading off. Absolutely no offensive patience at the plate. Jhonny looked like a slow motion reel for a wheel chair company. He’s got to know when to move to the ball. The other killer tonight was 1-13 from 4 through 7. It can’t be the Miggy show every night. On paper, we’re much better, but these guys are going to be tough. We can’t ask anything more of the starters. How deeply frustrating it is to be a Tiger fan, at least when we are on the road.
1. No walks again. This is so critical, especially in road games.
2. Doug makes the pen irrelevant. That should have been enough motivation to score enough to win.
3. Alex’s peg to get Getz for the first time this year.

That’s what you call draggin the bottom of the pond to find three good things other than Miggy and Doug. We will not win a game if we don’t score at least 4 runs. KC has enough speed and guts to score three off Max and JV. I don’t know if we have the same makeup. Good evening all!

“Leyland said recently Garcia sometimes will drift on a ball. If he can’t get it, though, Hunter has to back him up. 2-run triple keys rally”.

Garcia is a right fielder who can play center, but he is the best option from an overall game? I would say yes. His play contributed to the loss, but Jhonny play was jus as bad. Why does he position himself so deep against fast runners and nor charge the ball. That hop stayed in the air a long time and easily could have been picked coming in on it. He looked nonchalant on that play and then appeared to reach back to put something extra on the throw. You have to know the speed of the runner when they step into the box.

Good point Mark.

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