Friday’s lineups: Tigers at Orioles

A little hybrid lineup from Jim Leyland today against O’s right-hander Miguel Gonzalez. With Torii Hunter gone the next couple days, Andy Dirks stays in the second spot, while Omar Infante leads off. Avisail Garcia gets a start against a righty, but also starts in center field, with Don Kelly shifting over to right.

TIGERS (numbers off Gonzalez)

  1. Omar Infante, 2B
  2. Andy Dirks, LF
  3. Miguel Cabrera, 3B (0-for-3, K)
  4. Prince Fielder, 1B (0-for-2, walk)
  5. Victor Martinez, DH
  6. Jhonny Peralta, SS (1-for-3)
  7. Alex Avila, C (1-for-3)
  8. Avisail Garcia, CF
  9. Don Kelly, RF (1-for-2)

P: Max Scherzer

ORIOLES

  1. Nate McLouth, LF
  2. Manny Machado, 3B
  3. Nick Markakis, RF
  4. Adam Jones, CF
  5. Chris Davis, 1B
  6. Matt Wieters, C
  7. J.J. Hardy, SS
  8. Chris Dickerson, DH
  9. Ryan Flaherty, 2B

P: Miguel Gonzalez

91 Comments

Glad to this addressed. I brought it up yesterday and was really P.O’d about too. Pena should have been on 3rd base on that throw as it was over the head of the cutoff man with a slide and a tag to be applied. He would have had 3rd base easy. This is one of the huge problems on this team. Lack of fundamentals.Horrible base-running. No instincts and no creativity. Other than Miggy an Omar and the occasional smart play be Kelly, we have a team that looks almost dormant on the bases.
Brookens may get blame there, though there also probably was a baserunning blunder on Brayan Pena’s part, too. With Snider throwing home to get Tuiasosopo, Pena had a chance to take third base. He didn’t. If he had, he would’ve scored when Fister followed with a soft single to left field.

Instead, the Tigers failed to score after Omar Infante and Andy Dirks grounded out, extending the team’s stunning futility on offense the Tigers will try to put an end to tonight in Baltimore.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130531/SPORTS0104/305310369#ixzz2UtwtUTpL

3 runs in 3 games isn’t going to cut it. They’ll need more against the Orioles. Captain Obvious here.

Tigers @ Orioles. Just a great match up for May 31-June 2nd. The two teams have nearly identical records and are near the top of MLB in many offensive categories. The Os are first in both home runs and steals among all AL teams. Home runs?? We need to slow down Davis, Jones and Hardy. Base stealers?? Nate Mc Louth leads them with seventeen. We have the advantage on the pitching side of the equation and will have to make our three starter combo of Scherzer, Verlander and Porcello pay dividends. Go Tigers!!!

Fantastic pitching and excellent defense have been played this week, but nothing in the offensive parts of the game, which includes baserunning. Do they ever get it all working at one time?

Also Rich, that was a perfect throw. They showed the replay 99 times.

I didn’t have a problem with Brookens sending him there. The pitcher was up next. As it is, there have been a number of instances lately when I’m wondering about guys not getting to the bases they should. Most replays aren’t showing that, so I can’t tell what the issues are.

Just saw the replay of the thrown out at home….your right Pena shoulda been at third.

2E is sugarcoating it for Brokens, as is to be expected since his job is not secure. I went to the Pirates video feed and the broadcasters were all over Brookens for first trying to stop 2E and then windmilling him late. They placed the “hesitation” onus directly on the back of Brookens. I gotta think their perspective is the least biased of any I have read or heard.

I’ve watched the replay of that throw and it does show Brookens “waffling” on the play.
He’s already taken a lot of heat this year about his coaching. I must say I don’t prefer the alternative.
Lamont would have been anchored to the coaching box. At least Brookens is mobile enough to get in the most visible position for his base runners. I also think his controversial plays have been at least close. Gino was having guys thrown out by 20 feet and getting them injured to boot.
Brookens is going to figure this stuff out. i have little doubt about that.
He is not the coach I’m concerned about. Legendary Lloyd is the guy in charge of getting hitters ready. Too often in the BIG,/strong> games, our hitters completely forget how to have good at bats. I think the philosophy on this team that JL and LL convey is to leave the hitters alone as they are veterans and unless they are struggling like Avila, leave them to their own devices.
They need to be able to be better situational hitters. They need to be able to deliver a sacfly, and yes, they even need to be able to bunt.
Now as to base-running. I presume that is Belliard. These guys need to be far more aware of what they are doing on the base paths and how to recognize when an extra base is on the table for them. I have seen guys on 2nd with a ball getting away from the catcher 10 feet and to the 1st base side, stay tethered to where they are and not take advantage of the opportunity. Taking the extra bag on throws is almost non-existent.
3 run homers make up for alot of fundamental mistakes—the problem is even though the lineup is full of guys who can hit the bomb, guys aren’t hitting the bomb.
Leaving an average of 8 men on base every game is a recipe for 3rd place in the division.

Sorry—that one typo made that post far more obnoxious than it should be!
I’ve watched the replay of that throw and it does show Brookens “waffling” on the play.
He’s already taken a lot of heat this year about his coaching. I must say I don’t prefer the alternative.
Lamont would have been anchored to the coaching box. At least Brookens is mobile enough to get in the most visible position for his base runners. I also think his controversial plays have been at least close. Gino was having guys thrown out by 20 feet and getting them injured to boot.
Brookens is going to figure this stuff out. i have little doubt about that.
He is not the coach I’m concerned about. Legendary Lloyd is the guy in charge of getting hitters ready. Too often in the BIG, games, our hitters completely forget how to have good at bats. I think the philosophy on this team that JL and LL convey is to leave the hitters alone as they are veterans and unless they are struggling like Avila, leave them to their own devices.
They need to be able to be better situational hitters. They need to be able to deliver a sacfly, and yes, they even need to be able to bunt.
Now as to base-running. I presume that is Belliard. These guys need to be far more aware of what they are doing on the base paths and how to recognize when an extra base is on the table for them. I have seen guys on 2nd with a ball getting away from the catcher 10 feet and to the 1st base side, stay tethered to where they are and not take advantage of the opportunity. Taking the extra bag on throws is almost non-existent.
3 run homers make up for alot of fundamental mistakes—the problem is even though the lineup is full of guys who can hit the bomb, guys aren’t hitting the bomb.
Leaving an average of 8 men on base every game is a recipe for 3rd place in the division

Tonight marks the 36th game and 21st start this season for 25th man Don Kelly of the Tigers. I won’t bother anyone with his stats. It’s too much like beating a dead horse.

Nice for Miggy! But boy does Fielder look bad these days. Truthfully it’s been a while since he’s looked good at the plate,,,,,,flailing and lunging at all kinds of crap.

Last HR: 2013 05 10

Ok did I just hear that correctly…..Alex in 2011-2012 had a toe tap and by all accounts it was working for him. Now they took it away and he is just striding. Well that’s working well? Why would they do that?

Avila is going on base again.

I am listening to the Orioles feed and am not very impressed. For instance, did you know Avi Garcia does not have a very good arm?

Interesting….crack research staff they have there huh?

Hopefully the O’s think that.

Every single pitch Max threw in the second to Hardy was a strike…..appearently it s a very very very tight strike zone tonight.

Pena should’ve been going to 3rd all the way on that play at the plate. You want to try to get the throw cut off so the run can score, if not you are standing on 3rd.

Why does it seem whenever our pitcher has a long inning our batters reward him by going quickly and quietly. 6 whole pitches they saw!?

Yippie……ya orioles hit a lot of homers look at the parks in the east where they play most of there games….sorry I don’t get all excited about big home run hitters from that division.

Too bad these quick hands Rod always talks about with Fielder aren’t equating to actual hits these days……..

As soon a he keeps going on base, all is OK

Avila

Top of the fifth. Are we ready to put this guy away??

Make them pay Victor.

There it was again. On the Cabrera single, Dirks was moving back to secondbase. We get the RISP hit but don’t score the run. He only scored on the near DP.
There’s also a point where somebody just has to get the big hit and clear the bases. Rarely happens lately. We’re pecking at them.

Yes we are. We better put up a zero for them.

Prince Fielder has more career homers than any other singles hitter in the game.

He cant hit RHP

Mike Hessman homered vs MudHens

105 pitches. Another inning?

Thanks to the Orioles brodcasters, I now realize Max has a “relaxed” delivery.

VV enters. Time to take my blood pressure medication.

Tough hitters to face.

Oh boy!

Light a candle!!!!

Double oh boy!

I kept thinking in that last inning, we needed to add some insurance runs. Oh, man, this is looking real dicey.

Bad break on that infield single.

Bad break on the missed catch. Torii Hunter, where are you?

This is over………son of a ?????

Toast! I hate thinking that way, but we’ve become too accustomed to these types of game and endings. It’s usually predictable.

Now is not the time to blow one valverde. We need this one. Cmon. D.P.

Man he almost did it. I was just about to praise him up and down if he would of got that last out. So close. Well i guess not today valverde. Another really really tough loss. A horrible loss. I didnt get to see the game. I got home from work just in time to see the 9th. Jim leyland looked pretty upset. Maybe he will get mad and light a spark to get these guys fired back up. Get there swagger back.

OMG, just get one more out.

VV is now not using his splitter. Is that because of the situation and the runner on third?

As expected ,soon or later.

Tigers used to win those games in ’06.

He used it……im going to go to bed before the VV bashing commences.

If you are talking about the splitter, VV’s last one was the home run ball to Markakis.

Hitters had to be sitting on the heater. Bye-bye. Home run.

20 straight fastballs.

No splitters because it was cold, Now it is red hot and no splitter.

Yeah. VV threw 2 splitters to Markakis, of his totol of 3 pitches to him. One was a strike. The other was hit for a homer. No splitters for the rest of the night. I figured with the tying run on third VV didn’t want to bury one for a WP.

He threw some splitters early but wasn’t locating. I knew it would be all fastballs from that point on.
The mysterious part of that inning was why Adam Jones didn’t steal secondbase? They could have lost on a DP. They don’t have a scouting report on Valverde?

Just two and as Richard mentioned one was for HR

I was thinking the same

I said it when they brought Valverde back in April. He’s the same pitcher as he was before. I said that a few times, as I recall.
We need to score more runs.

Rafael Soriano just got his 15th save, the last three with 1-2-3 innings.
Things are bad when they are giving props to Valverde for manning up and speaking to the media. I guess that’s all FSD’s got in their never ending quest for optimism.
Just pointing out things I see and hear.

Well good evening from my hotel in Baltimore. Had great seats for tonight’s game. Some things about Major league games amaze me. First, you really can see how trim Miggy, Jhonny, and even Pricne to some degree, have actually become. By George, they would qualify for svelte. Second, I have almost decided that this is my last trip in person to a major league game. Out of 40,000 fans tonight, only 34 wanted to watch the game. The other 39,966 spent their evening talking non stop, or going to the concession stand, or standing up while I was taking pictures. I got out of my seat(end) 27 times tonight. I am just tired of that. You miss a lot of the game when your’e actually at the park. Sour grapes, I know, but that’s what a clown can do for you.
I mentioned it 6 weeks ago that we had a clown for a closer. I stand firmer on that judgement tonight than I ever have. Sherzer derved better. I don’t care how many saves he had since coming back. The Orioles are a good team. We had them 5-3, and then the clown shows up. As soon as Markakis hit his out, I started walking for the exit. By the time I got to the last monitor, the cheersconfirmed what I knew. We can’t win the central with a clown.
While I’m venting, Omar lookedhorrible tonight, and of course AA contributes with two more strikeouts. Victor was pressing, and so was Jhonny. Hurry up Ajax and come back to your team .Donnie looke great in the field, and lost at the plate.
In spite of all of this griping, here are three things for tonight:
1. We got the early lead, gaive it back, and fought back to retake the lead into the ninth. Then the clown showed up. Tell me how many other closers enter a game spitting an entire bottle of water out , and doing a Scottish fling at the same time.
2. Garcia’s opposite field homer was a thing of beauty. Kudos to him tonight.
3. Outfield defense was very solid. It seemed like Max was struggling the entire game, but when you see his box, he only surrendered three hits. Let’s hope JV can right this ship tomorrow. did I tell you that we have a clown for al closer? Good night all!

Wow Greg, thanks for reminding me what’s so irritating about attending games at Camden Yards. Quite often it feels more like a circus than a ballgame. Nevertheless, I’ll be there tomorrow. Sec 43, row 7, seats 5 and 6 if you didn’t see this earlier.

I wonder if the Mariners would ever consider trading Tom Wilhelmsen to the Tigers. They’re not going anywhere, they don’t really need a closer this year.

He was one of the featured players on MLB tonight. Great stats, but for some reason now only has a heater, which is deemed hittable. The experts believe he needs a bender, which has gone who knows where. At this point, kinda sounds like a “Buyer Beware” commodity.

You were right in 2011 about Fister. Probably right again with Wilhelmsen

Reply to Norah

I meant the Mariners aren’t going anywhere, not the Tigers! :)

Well the Tigers may not be going anywhere either if they thingk Valverde is their closer, Avila is their catcher and their bench is strong enough as it is.
A lot of us have said that Valverde is not the answer all along. He’s gotten away with murder so far. Re-signing him was such a transparently desperate move that it was downright embarrassing. It should have been embarrassing for DD too..
I’ve said all along that Valverde will not be the closer on this team in the fall.
I think Fielder will come around again. He’s too strong not too. And he is a good hitter. The trouble is how many games might this team have won instead of lost this last month if Fielder had hit the ball normally? Cabby goes into a slump for maybe a week. A month for a hitter is a long time and a month for your cleanup hitter with 2 homeruns is almost disastrous.
We need another big bat in our outfield. Our outfielders have hit 15 homeruns this year. All of them combined have less than Miggy alone.
Sorry JL, that just ain’t gonna cut it.

Just a note of possible interest. Bonderman has been called up by the Mariners to start Sunday’s game against the Twins. Looks like he has a chance to stick since the back end of the Mariners’ rotation is so poor and Maurer has been sent down.

The next 2 days may show us what kind of character we have on this team.
are they going to simply play the next two games lookng a head to a day off or are they going to come out and play like “enough is enough”?

I didn’t find any readily available stats on this, but I counted Valverde’s last 13 appearances with games on the line and got 7 successful and 6 unsuccessful. If people appear to be overreacting, this would prove otherwise.

Apparently Tigers do have shorter memories than Elephants.

Verlander must show he is Ok
Verlander will be trying to show he is the Ace and will try to match the last 3 starters
And he must be efficient to keep Valverde away.As expected , JL already stated he will do what we expect from him: put Valverde again as soon as possible.
No pressure, Justin

Plus the team will need to score enough runs so that a closer won’t be necessary. Or so many runs that if they do bring VV in, he can’t possibly give up enough runs to lose the game.

Big potato has nothing left how much more pitching gems are going to be wasted before they release him?

Ugh – that is all I can say – what a disappointing game

Went outside with us up 4-3 and the next thing I knew we had lost 7-5. Just trying to piece together how the ninth went for Valverde. Anyone, what would be his history against the six guys he faced?? Did the first three batters all get hits?? How many pitches did he throw to the last batter??

It was a replay of game one of the ALDS in NY.
Our closer comes in and the other team goes “now’s our chance.” I don’t think that’s the impression you want to send.
Management mishandled this issue in a shockingly bad manner. Now we’re stuck, although Jim could have some other people up when Valverde goes in there.

“The kiss of death is when you walk the leadoff guy.” — Leyland from Saturday.
And when you allow a HR to the lead-off guy with 0-2?

Garcia. 5 for 12 vs RHP.4 for 22 vs LHP but a HR and 6 RBI.

Why Valverde is done? He was lucky and the tank is empty:

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130521/OPINION03/305210301/1129/rss15

Kurts numbers are alarming but do not consider jVV earned those stats during his ‘spring training’. I’d like to see the TRENDS in those statistics before i jump on that train.

jose got zinged on his second splitter of the night (lead off HR) – and then didn’t throw it again. Does he not understand that you cannot throw 22 fastballs in a row to a major league team? If you do, the result is just as bad as hard hit splitter! Splitter: Just throw it!

The writing is not only on the wall, it’s up there in big block letters glowing neon.

i’m dense. what does it say?

Today’s lineup: Infante 4, Dirks 9, Cabrera 5, Fielder 3, Martinez DH, Peralta 6, Avila 2, Tuiasosopo 7, Garcia 8. Verlander is pitching

May 31st games in the books. We will play our 54th game today so one third of the season will be completed. Where are we in the AL Central standings? First place but only by one half game. How’s the team hitting?? As a team, we are first in MLB and we have four players (Cabrera, Infante, Hunter, and Peralta) in the Top 50 in MLB for BA. Cabrera even leads in two of those three Triple Crown categories. You know what Prince is fourth in ribbys, too. We are near the top in runs scored, too. So overall the hitting has been okay . Yes, but we just were shut out twice by the Pirates. Maybe good pitching beat good hitting in those games?? So how’s the team pitching?? What’s the team ERA?? The team is tenth in MLB with a 3.72 and we are trailing only the Rangers and Yankees in the AL in that category. How’s are the starting pitchers doing?? Four of them are in the top 50 in ERA in MLB with each of the four with a solid chance at winning fifteen games. Is that fifth spot been a bugaboo for the team?? No, Rick pitched very well in May and probably deserves to have two or three more victories. Are you still getting all those Ks?? Yes, we lead MLB in that category, too. Another good one is our opponent’s BA is sitting at .240 which is 20 points better than last year at this time. How’s the defense?? Really not that bad we are tied for fifth best FPCT in MLB with only twenty one errors made. So the team is on pace to make only sixty three errors this year?? I guess so. The team did make ninety-nine last year. Well, you might do better this year. So where are the team’s problems?? We have trouble in close games, we are 2-6 in fact in extra-inning games, we have lost our last four games, and our closer blew a game last night. Well, BUD you better suck it up and get tough you play in MLB. Go Tigers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nicely said. Another thing they need to learn to do is manufacture runs. Theres gonna be days when were not gonna score alot. But with our pitching staff pitching so good they usually keep us close. Thats why its important. We could of won the last 4 games if we could just manufacture a run or 2. 2 of those games our starters were flawless and we walked away with losses.

Agree. Not much for sacrifice bunts except first and second no one out. However, hit and run especially with first and third, let’s just do it. SF and ground outs to the right side with runner on third and less than two outs are golden.

Evan, the sign clearly says,
“¡PELIGRO SIN SALIDA!”

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