Delmon: “We haven’t hit all playoffs”

Say this for Delmon Young: He’s going out with a bang.

When he said earlier in the week that the Tigers’ loss in the World Series opener wasn’t on the offense, that they were out of it by the time they took their second at-bats, he sounded borderline delusional.

When he said after Game 2 that they had no hook to let Madison Bumgarner off of, having gotten just two hits, he sounded more realistic.

What he said after Game 3, following the second straight 2-0 shutout loss, pretty well summed up the Tigers’ postseason run.

“We would love to be swinging the bats great, but all postseason we haven’t really swung the bats,” he said. “We hit at the right time against Oakland, and New York looked like us right now. And so, when they’re not putting up any runs on the board, it’s a little bit easier to win a ballgame if you can score one.”

His answer when asked what the Giants are doing differently was just as pointed.

“They’ve pitched us just like Oakland did, but we haven’t hit all playoffs,” he said. “We’ve just been fortunate enough that the other teams haven’t been hitting either.”

Say what you will about where he’s coming from, but he has a point.

Take away the Tigers’ series-clinching wins, 6-0 over the A’s and 8-1 over the Yankees, and Detroit has scored 25 runs in the other 10 games, including three shutouts. A good number of those runs have come off the bullpen. They’ve topped three runs in just two of those games, and both went to extra innings.

Gene Lamont was undoubtedly aware of those struggles when he waved Prince Fielder home in Game 2.

“It’s the World Series. It’s the postseason. Everybody’s pitching well. That’s why they’re here,” Prince Fielder said.

The Tigers are the first team to be shut out in consecutive World Series games since the 1966 Dodgers, whom the Orioles blanked over the final three games of a four-game sweep. They’re the first American League team shut out in back-to-back games since the 1919 White Sox, a team later determined to be throwing the series.

When the Tigers have scored runs this postseason, they’ve done a fairly good job of manufacturing offense, either through sacrificing runners over or by getting runners in motion. They tried that in Game 2 and paid for it. Now, with their backs against the wall, Jim Leyland has to get creative.

Moving Omar Infante, their best hitter this postseason, to the second spot against Matt Cain would be a start. Infante doesn’t hit Cain as well as he hits Ryan Vogelsong, but at 7-for-21, he hits him pretty well.

After that, it wouldn’t be a surprise to see more runners in motion. Leyland’s remark after Saturday’s loss suggested he might try something.

“You always look to see if you miss a trick. We had Jackson run on Lincecum. We probably waited a little bit too long on that one. But you can try to manufacture a little bit. You don’t really manufacture a lot with the big guys in the middle; you let them whack away at it.

“Maybe I need to be a little more creative. Like I said, we talk about us, we don’t talk about individuals. So basically as a team, as manager, coaches and a team, we’ve obviously got to do a little bit better.”

To do that, though, they have to get runners on. And as Young reminded us, that’s not that easy for them now.

“With the way they’re pitching right now, we haven’t been able to do anything,” he said. “We can’t get guys on to be able to move guys over, steal bases, go first to third. It’s hard to go first to third when you get five hits in a ballgame.”

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After the untimely timeout, Miguel told Avila and Aníbal to change the pitch . They did not . ( Avila was not calling the pitches but still… ).Blanco was waiting the breaking ball and he sat on it .
Miguel is a professional hitter. He knows well.

Fielder, postseason( career):190/.287/.380/.667
WS:100/.182/.100/.282 Vs RHP 000 Postseason : 045

Fielder:”It is what it is,” he said. “Everybody’s playing hard. … It’s about the next at-bat. It’s not about the past. Just trying to get a pitch to hit, man.”
2.72 pitches /AB vs 3.7 during the season. A little more patience? Hey, he has one of the littlest strike zone in MLB( Boras said when selling him)

Delmon must know he’s not coming back next year so he’s throwing the whole team under the bus. Not that he’s making anything up, but you don’t usually hear guys say it.

When JL uses the word “creative” in a sentence you can bet he means Don Kelly.

Maybe but hw can he do any worse than Dirks, Garcia, etc. etc. etc.

There are a few on this team who have little blame. But your three stars have crashed and burned this world series…….they make the big bucks so they will have to accept the brunt of the responsibility. In my opinion this fiasco started and ended with Justin Verlander in game one he set the tone of this series.

That’s a point well taken, Gk, but even in that game we scored only one run until Peralta’s meaningless 9th inning homer. Verlander could have pitched well and lost, 2-1. This is all on the lack of offense, as it has been all year.

True enough the hitting ( or lack thereof ) is atrocious….and has to take a lot of the blame or this. But I feel like JV the horse, “The Man”, failed incredibly and we all know this team and it’s tendencies.

Regarding the head Prince and the headline to the right about struggling Prince and cap tipping. (frankly I don’t want to even read the article ) I am glad he can give the credit to someone else instead of taking any of the blame. Because then he doesn’t have to look in the mirror. I’m sure he will take comfort in the 24 mil he earned this year. Collective bargaining and why it allows people to not live up to their end of the bargin but still know it won’t affect him because it’s all guaranteed no matter what.

It is hard to believe neither Miggy nor Prince has thus far scored a run or produced an extra-base hit in the WS.

I have to wonder, are Delmon’s comments a peek into the team’s collective soul at this point?

Does it take Jim until the end of October, on the brink of elimination, to realize he needs to be a little more creative? I don’t buy his comments, because he’s very good at deflecting during pressers, something he’s learned in his 90 years in the game.

I’d say no. I felt he was more creative during the Division Series against Oakland, putting guys in motion and taking a chance with sacrifice bunts to bring up his big guys.

True, and to be fair, there haven’t been enough baserunners to do much of anything.

It is the second inning and the Tiger infield is in, despite 8 more opportunities to bat. JL is fearful if the Giants score a single run the Tigers lose. And the sad thing is he was right.

Infante came into last night’s game hitting .700 or something off Vogelsong. It was a perfect opportunity to hit him second and get something going, but Jim wanted to stick with those foolish L-R matchups, something that hasn’t worked all year. While he’s planning his strategy against the opposing manager, he might want ot examine his own personnel. Other than Jim, there’s probably not one person in the world who thinks Berry is a #2 hitter. That’s an extremely important slot in a batting order. These things matter, and contribute to success or failure of a team.

In my humble opinion, Fister and Sanchez pitched well enough to win games 2 & 3, but, the Tigers offense can’t even score 2 runs in either game, Verlander was just off and got his butt kicked. What the hell is wrong with the Tiger’s high powered offense ?? As for Blanco stepping out and calling time in the middle of Sanchez’ windup…. that was bullsh*t ! My guess is someone stole the sign from Avila, and by the time Blanco got it from the 3rd base coach it was too late. Miguel apparently told them to change the pitch, but they didn’t and Blanco smoked a triple on the next pitch. The Giants stole the sign…. plain and simple. I’m guessing the Tigers will continue their piss poor play tonight and the Giants will complete the sweep. How about the Tigers just walk out on the field, throw all their gloves and bats in a pile, splash some gas, and set it all on fire….. then run a white flag up the pole !? ( Seems better than watching another excruciatingly poor offensive performance ). Oakland ‘A’s & S.F. Giants would have been a much better series. I’ve been a Tiger’s fan since 1972 and I’d like to extend an apology to all baseball fans watching the series for the TIger’s play, and wasting everyone’s time.

Yeah that’s kinda how I feel. Embarrassed themselves to anyone who never seen them play this year.

True enough the hitting ( or lack thereof ) is atrocious….and has to take a lot of the blame or this. But I feel like JV the horse, “The Man”, failed incredibly and we all know this team and it’s tendencies.
Regarding the head Prince and the headline to the right about struggling Prince and cap tipping. (frankly I don’t want to even read the article ) I am glad he can give the credit to someone else instead of taking any of the blame. Because then he doesn’t have to look in the mirror. I’m sure he will take comfort in the 24 mil he earned this year. Collective bargaining and why it allows people to not live up to their end of the bargin but still know it won’t affect him because it’s all guaranteed no matter what.
By Gk on October 28, 2012 11:32 am -

Sorry for the double post.

The point of batting Berry 2nd is for his speed, yet he walks in the 1st inning and just stands there a waits for something to happen instead of making something happen. He steals 2nd and Miggy’s single would have scored him.

Yeah, but then the just intentionally walk Miggy and Prince still hits in the DP. That’s why Berry shouldn’t bat 2nd.

Not with a RH pitcher on the mound.

I would regardless.

Fielder is .045 vs RHP during the postseason. Miguel had 40 HR and 337 vs RHP during the season.

And there ya go. Exactly. Infante has baserunning speed and can score from first if Miggy ties into one. And Omar is MUCH more likely to get to first last night.

Victor and Prince were pretty much equally smart hitters last year and this. The difference is Victor kept his approach in the postseason while Prince has gone somewhere else. Impatient, over anxious, I don’t know what he’s doing.

Our best hope tonight is if the team takes on a general “well we’re screwed” attitude and stops pressing.

Just sorry we wasted money on tickets for tonight. I tell you the poor sport in me will not stick around to watch a celebration on the field.

I don’t know if that’s poor sportsmanship. I’ve seen so many celebrations over the years that I only watch if it’s one of my teams. They’re all alike anyway, depending on the sport. I’d leave too.

No creativity in the lineup:tonight’s lineup: Jackson 8, Berry 7, Cabrera 5, Fielder 3, Young dh, Dirks 9, Peralta 6, Avila 2, Infante 4. Scherzer is starting.

I’m all in for this Tiger team, past history can be rewrote and until that last out is made against our team I’m gonna continue to rally for them. The talent is there just continue to play hard and never let up and never stop believing no matter what the odds are against you. Lets go Detroit, JV wants his next start, and Fister wants his, and Anibal wants his.

Prince is excited and distracted. Do you think he is not trying? So what if he makes 204 million. Cano could not hit on the playoffs. That’s baseball, the greatest sport. Blame, an interesting word. Go Tigers!

Doesn’t make it okay…….for either of them. Prince is a big blame in this disaster, but certainly not the only. If these highly paid individuals are going to accept these enormous salaries because they think they we worth that kind of dough….well guess what you need to take the responsibility when you fail, and stop tipping your cap. I’m sure Prince (and others) won’t be giving Mr. Illitch back sny money. And my problem with Pince specifically, it’s not a few games he been slumping, he hasn’t done diddly the whole post season. He’s choked, if your the guy you gotta be the guy.
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Hey AJ Peirzinski and I agree ( who knew). He was being interviewed during the Lions game and he agreed the giants beating of Verlander (not to mention drubbing) of him game 1 gave them a whole lot of confidence and was a series changer.

The one bright side to another Giants win is it means this guy will no longer be a Tiger. It’s funny that my team was in the ALCS in back-to-back years, made it to the World Series and yet I can’t wait to see several supposedly key pieces out the door in the offseason.

Yes, Verlander’s start in game one didn’t help. But how many times over the last two years has he put this team on his back? There’s no reason they had to “be out of it” before their second at bats. Yes, Zito has been good in the post-season but he’s not Hamels or Sabathia. Look at the Cardinals — Wainwright gave up six earned runs and got knocked out after 2 1/3 innings in game 5 against the Nationals. But instead of rolling over, they fought back and picked up one of their best pitchers on a night he was off his game. What a concept.

That’s been the problem with this team all year. The reason they were so hard to watch during that stretch where they were more or less alternating wins and losses for months was that there was no fight. They got down by a run or two in the fourth inning and you knew the game was over regardless of whether they were facing David Price or Bruce Chen.

Well said, Jennifer. Well said.
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— Bob

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