Wednesday’s lineups: Tigers vs. Indians

Let’s see if this lineup gets going against an Indians starter, this time Ubaldo Jimenez. Delmon Young returns to DH, Prince Fielder to first base, and Andy Dirks and Brennan Boesch in the corner outfield spots.

TIGERS

  1. Austin Jackson, CF (6-for-15 off Jimenez)
  2. Andy Dirks, LF (2-for-15 off Jimenez)
  3. Miguel Cabrera, 3B
  4. Prince Fielder, 1B
  5. Delmon Young, DH (10-for-24, HR off Jimenez)
  6. Brennan Boesch, RF
  7. Jhonny Peralta, SS
  8. Alex Avila, C
  9. Omar Infante, 2B

P: Doug Fister

INDIANS

  1. Shin-Coo Choo, RF
  2. Jason Kipnis, 2B
  3. Asdrubal Cabrera, SS
  4. Carlos Santana, C
  5. Michael Brantley, CF
  6. Cord Phelps, DH
  7. Matt LaPorta, 1B
  8. Ezequiel Carrera, LF
  9. Jason Donald, 3B

P: Ubaldo Jimenez

27 Comments

well if we get more than 4 hits i think we’re making progress.
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lets play baseball the right way tonight fellas!

This is our team. This is who we are. It’s time to just DO IT. Play ball. Go Tigers!!!!!

I’d rather give Garcia a try but whatever. Here, everybody should read this if you haven’t already:
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120905/OPINION03/209050422/1129/SPORTS0104/Anemic-hitters-blame-Tigers-Leyland-parting-might-horizon
Lynn says exactly what I think is happening. It would have taken me all day to create this as a comment.

thanks for that link. favorite phrase “They won’t like the new guy’s, either.”

Well, I don’t necessarily agree with that statement. Any manager will always be secondguessed by fans, that’s just part of it. It doesn’t always mean they don’t like him. Besides, you’re not going to get millions of fans to agree on anything, so lumping them all into one group with one mind has always been a fallacy.

seems like you agree and disagree there. agree that the baseball team skipper will be 2nd guessed constantly and disagree that all fans can be lumped together. I’d agree with you on both points if so.
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What are some of the hardest jobs in professional sports? with respect to making people happy at least. IMO MLB skipper is way up there. Goalies and QBs also have it rough i think too.

Thanks Rich – I agree with some of his comments, but not on the part that Leyland has tried the bunt, the hit and run – when has that happened???

Reading the story on the site called “Garcia likely to only see time against lefties” made me…………well, sad. Not angry or frustrated, just sad. The reasons given for the decision is what did it.

well since you brought it up – do you really want to not play BB against righties?

It doesnt matter who plays…either the underachievers will hit this crappy pitcher or not….these nine should be able to beat Jimenez as the nine last nine should of been able muster up more than 4 hits and the same goes for Monday. Hit dont hit, win don’t winn, they will still make their money and keep like babies on the way to LA tonight and not hit whoever they see there.

I read the article. Every team has one or two players who have slumps. With the Tigers, how many are there? Avila, Boesch, Raburn, Santiago, Peralta, Laird, Berry, Kelly, Infante lately and DY for a long time. To me that means there is something more. Not sure we will ever know. Take Santiago, for example. It seemed like he was the obvious choice for 2nd base but someone decided he couldn’t handle it. How did this affect him? Does he now have the feeling that he is not respected and his performance has been affected? Avila may have been overused last year. No one seems to be able to help Boesch or is it just a case of opposing pitchers now know his weaknesses? I’m not sure what to say about the others.

I didn’t even mention pitchers in my comment above. I don’t believe the Tigers have enough good players in their system to replace the ones above or be used to trade for players who can take over. That means DD will have to be very inventive in making trades. Can he get a better shortstop in exchange for, say, Peralta and Boesch? Would any team take Raburn, Kelly and Coke in exchange for a solid outfielder? Would the Tigers be better off to offer DY and Sachez contracts that they wouldn’t accept and then get draft choices when they sign elsewhere? Rather than just lose the opportunity like they did with Polanco? I suppose we could go on and on but it seems like they may need to do more than just replace Leyland. What is Kirk Gibson’s status in Arizona?

Sorry but since Sanchez did not play the whole year there is no compensation.. And the offer to DY would be 13.5 mm. And the draft pick is a complementary pick with the new system

The hardest job in professional sports in regard to making people happy is officiating!!!!
Not playing Boesch against righties is exactly what I’m saying. He can’t hit them. But moreso, I just thought it sad that JL won’t even consider the possibility that a guy from AA ball could help his team out. It does happen. DD did bring him up a day before the September deadline. JL has ruled it out, and if that wasn’t just talk, that’s sad. So set in his ways.
In Rod Allen’s voice, “easy Gk, eeeasy.”

Can you tell I’m done? I’ll watch but I’ve been waiting all summer for them to pull it together and the fact of the matter is they have not and probably won’t at this point, so whatever.

Who oveloaded Avila?
Who keeps Cabrera playing risking a bigger injury? who refused to
PR for him? Who rests eveyone but those who needs rest?
Who keeps benched Laird and Santiago?
Who keeps Boesch, Inge and Raburn playing only because the came first?
Who did not give a chance to Baker?
Who played someone nobody wanted for free?
Who used a LHP whit a 26% IRS and 7,38 ERA?
Who ignored Below and Worth? and now Garcia. BTW: Cabrera went fron AA to MLB and a WS
Who throws his players under the bus?
Who plays a career minor league beyond the surprise factor?
Who is unable to call a hit a run but called one with 2 on no outs?

He makes Steimbrener Sr looks wise

Told ya. El Tigre remembers everything. And this is just a partial list.

hah i think many of these things are done by JL but actually are DD and MR I issues. e.g. Inge. And I thought baker had many chances – slowbryne thought baker was an insult to tiger fans, lol!

The Fielder signing was Mr. Ilitch. I thought the Baker acquisition made sense but he came over here and failed. DD puts together a club for Leyland to manage. If we do end up looking for a new manager, it would be a good time to change up the club’s philosophy. Maybe put together a team that fits into Comerica Park. Or if they don’t want to do that, make Comerica Park fit the team.

Rich were did you find that stat about the number of different lineups used? I’d like to look at that, you mentioned hat the tigers have used compared to two other teams I would like to see where other teams are. Thanks.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/DET/2012-batting-orders.shtml
It lists the lineup for each game and gives a total way down at the bottom. If you want to compare other teams, follow the logic near the top, going back to teams.
baseball-reference is where everybody gets their stats. You can get lost in there for days at a time. :-)

Boston has 121 lineups due to injuries, turmoil, and trading half the team mid-season. We had none of that.

I’ve used that for stats…… That was the first place I looked but didn’t find it right away. Rays used 127 lineups…..and all I ever hear is how wonderful Maddon is, Orioles 105, Oakland 115, CWS 69, Angels 108 , Yankees, Jays 106, twins 100, KC 103, CLE 100.

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So is 108 that crazy? It seems to be about average to me, and the Yankees an CWS seem to be low. I won’t go into national league line us they are way higher, different beast I guess.
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Maybe the lineup changes work well for some teams and not others? Maybe ours isn’t one of them but maybe the rays and orioles and A’s thrive with changing the lineups? Who knows but ll I know is there is no consistentcy to ours as to how well they perform no matter where they hit!

I don’t know, I just threw the number out there for discussion. I suppose there are many reasons that go into this stuff, but I don’t know what ours is. JL is matchup driven, to the point where he’ll take Omar, for example, and hit him either 2nd or 9th depending on the matchup. I happen to think that’s a little over the top, but that’s just my opinion. I’d think ballplayers would thrive on consistency. In his first months in Detroit, in 2006, Jim himself said he liked to keep the lineup consistent. He said that in answer to questions about hitting Shelton (or was it Monroe?) higher in the lineup. That’s just the fact.

It was asked so here’s the answer: Robin Ventura has used 66 lineups.

Thanks, Rich. A Kenny Williams’ team will have a nine man unit that is expected to go out there and play baseball for the Chicago White Sox. They had trouble at one position this year or that number could be much lower. Morel started the season at third and has been on the DL for months. They picked up O Dog and finally Youk. And AJP has had Flowers as his backup at C all year. Interestingly, part of the resurgence of Dunn this year stems from the fact that he has played some in LF and maybe over 30 games at 1B. For the 2012 Sox, they have eight players who have been in the lineup over 100 times.

Like I said: Gerald Laird stuck on the pine with super glue.

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