Tuesday: Tigers vs. Indians (updated with Lopez out)

Remember all the talk about Jim Leyland not caring about the guys who get on base so much as the guys who drive them in? Well, he does have some heart for the OBP guys, apparently, because he cited it as a reason for starting Matt Young tonight against the Indians in the second spot in the order.

“What I do like about him, to be honest with you, and this is kind of being a geek with the numbers, and I’m not into that geek stuff with the numbers, but he does have a pretty good on-base percentage down in Toledo,” Jim Leyland said. “So it looks like he might be able to work the pitcher a little bit, maybe take a walk. He’s not an automatic out. He’s going to give you everything he has.”

Young has 46 walks in 51 games with the Mud Hens, which explains how someone batting .259 could have a .431 on-base percentage.

For the record, the last time the Tigers had two players in the lineup named Young, it was June 17, 2003, and Dmitri Young and Ernie Young were both starting. It’s also the first time a guy named Matt Young has faced the Indians in 20 years. The pitcher Matt Young threw a no-hitter in Cleveland and lost on April 12, 1992.


  1. Quintin Berry, CF
  2. Matt Young, LF
  3. Miguel Cabrera, 3B
  4. Prince Fielder, 1B
  5. Delmon Young, DH
  6. Alex Avila, C
  7. Jhonny Peralta, SS
  8. Brennan Boesch, RF
  9. Ramon Santiago, 2B

P: Drew Smyly


  1. Shin-Soo Choo, RF
  2. Asdrubal Cabrera, SS
  3. Jason Kipnis, 2B
  4. Carlos Santana, DH
  5. Jose Lopez, 3B Shelley Duncan, LF
  6. Michael Brantley, CF
  7. Shelley Duncan, LF Matt LaPorta, 1B
  8. Matt LaPorta, 1B Lonnie Chisenhall, 3B
  9. Lou Marson, C

P: Ubaldo Jimenez


Doesn’t even matter who plays and who doesn’t. They will make Jimenez into Cy Young.

For example last week Bard in Boston pitched and out dueled JV and today he was demoted to AAA. What does tat say about the Tigers? They stink that’s why!

Young didn’t come close to that OBP in his 52 PAs with Atlanta last year. Just sayin’.

Does anybody think that Berry is making a dent in JL’s brick wall of a brain about another way to manufacture runs besides waiting for a non-existent 3-run homer? I can’t even remember the last time the Tigers had one of those.

Let’s hope Smyly keeps getting some Ks because that means less fly balls and we have seen he has a bit of a habit of giving up 1 or 2 big flies,

Bottom of the second, we had counts of 3-1, 2-0, and 2-0 to all three hitters, and all three swung at bad pitches for outs. That, ladies and gentlemen, is the problem right there. Even when they’re patient, they’re just not patient enough. Hitter’s count, swing at anything. It’s maddening.

Well this is not good. a 3-0 count and 2 2-0 counts and 3 relativley easy outs.
I know if our pitcher threw like that we would not be getting away unharmed.
They are back in the business of letting a pitcher off the hook.
Boesch is toatlly and completely lost. Lunging every time he swings. No wonder he can’t square up on the ball.
You might want Lloyd to start paying some attention to this nonsense.

Go figure don’t turn a double play AGAIN and wham a triple to tie it up! Amazing.

We were typing at the same time Rich—-honest!

Jimenez is the best pitcher ever! ( sarcasm). We make any pitcher look good. And another double play not turned. Will lead to a run this time?

Deja vous. Smyly does give up too many long flies though. Indians have 3 now and the team is thoroughly deflated again. BTW-as poor as Peralta has been on turning the DP that last one was on Smyly I think. He was nowhere near his assingment of covering the bag.
I doubt we’ll get back into this game. Pretty tough for this bunch to score 4 runs in one game.

Two botched DPs has led to all of their runs. First Peralta gets nothing on his throw then Smyly fails to break for the bag on the other one.
How many pitches did our hitters see in the 4th. 5?
I could point this stuff out all night.

I know I think we are all begining to feel like broken records. Buts it’s like you can almost write the script before the game even starts. Same crap different day.

Smyly sure seems to run into trouble in the middle innings.

That’s cause your watching on TV Rich. Apparently you can’t see this stuff from the vantage point of the Tiger dugout..
This inning isn’t over yet..Asdrubal is gonna get a hit and who knows what will happen then?

A screw up in the booth. Started hearing intro to game music. Unbelievable.

Peralta gets a 2-0 count to lead off the 5th and then weakly grounds out.. Boesch has a 2-0 count again and he jumps at the pitch and fouls it off as well as the subsequent 3-1 pitch . It’s like these guys “feel” like they can’t get it done.
It’s actually a bit beyond belief.
As far as I am concerned this is one of the worst “teams” in baseball.
I hope the fans stop turning the turnstiles.

I need to drink anymore to watch these losers play.

Here we go—now we go into polite baseball mode.
Matt Young looks like he is really gonna change things eh?
I’m sorry, things are getting so bad that it really is hard to believe.

It is hard to believe just how aweful they are. I just don’t see any light at he end of the tunnel? I am just so disgusted and frankly tired of complaining. I’m tired of excuses and tired of them, something I thought I’d never say.

The fans show up no matter how pathetic the Tigers play. It was discussed on local radio how Detroit is not a true baseball city. A game is just an event to attend. I know you posters are true fans and it’s brutal to watch them right now. Thanks for blowing that one Delmon. Brutal, I say!!!!!!!!!

Funny thing is I was trying to buy tickets to a game, 9 tickets to a Saturday game in late July or early August. (I take my nieces and nephews every year for their Christmas gift). Could only get standing room only tried 3 Saturdays. Lot of people already spent their dollars when they thought this team might actually be interested playing a few games.

Just got in. More the same nonsense. Read all the comments and it is the same story every night.
Got in just in time to see DY swing at the first pitch and kill another rally.
I am sure my daughter’s dance class is more entertaining than this bunch.
— Bob

Leyland should be run out of town. He is condoning this batting behaviour by the bottom of the lineup. I have referred many times to Delmon being a rally killer. To me a rally killer is precisely what he does. 1st pitch swinging no matter what the situation and 75% he is simply making an out.
Your big guys work the count to get on then they have to watch Young’s selfish BS approach?
I said yesterday this team will turn against each other.
I predict we start seeing cracks in the next week or 2.
Leyland is the manager-he as permitted this crap to go on with the attitude that all he can do is wait for things to change.
That is an idiotic approach to managing.

I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you, but who should he put in, what should he do. ( fine them? Bench them and if bench them, who do you play?). I’m not trying to be contrary I just really don’t know? I am one who is more likely to blame the actual players.

Pay attention JL. Below can pitch. Maybe he can be the 5th starter.
Duane Below = Zach Miner
— Bob

I hope you are wrong about that Bob!
Is it not abundantly clear that Boesch is NOT going to hit his way out of this protracted slump? If you are a cellar dwelling team maybe you can afford to give him at bats here in the bigs. Did I just say that? Actually we are pretty much a cellar dweller. Seriously though-he has to be sent down for his own good. JL seems intent on destroying this kid.

Players are a reflection of their manager. Waiting for “track records” is BS. You have make something happen. Working the pitchers would be a start. Jimenez has done nothing but walk the world before today and yet we continually first pitch swing.
You cannot fire the players. Change the managers and coaches.
— Bob

But the fact of the matter is after they leave you are going to have te same free swingers? My feeling is these players have guaranteed contracts and there is o incentive. Much more of the contracts should be incentive based. And I’m not saying there isn’t blame to go around and leyland doesn’t have blame, they all do. But he is the same manager who got them into the playoffs and winning 95 games last year. So is he that much different?

Does anyone really think we will do anything against this Gomez kid tomorrow?
This season is a train wreck.
— Bob

The Angels fired their hitting coach and everything changed.
So I dont buy you will have same approach. You may have the same players but the approach may change. I am open to anything right now except for more of the same.
— Bob

So you’d fire the coaches and the manger, who takes their place? Again I am not trying to be contrary, but everybody is pissed including me, and they keep on saying how pissed at the manager and coaches but nobody is really saying what the would do.

Ya 9th innings all these guts start to get hits instead of when they could of done something earlier in the game.

Same old same old!

Here’s something for ya Jimenez and Phil Hughes ( terrible pitchers have better records 6 wins for Jimenez and Hughes with 5 wins). Well Verlander has 5 wins. What does that tell ya? Ant hit good or bad pitchers.

I’ll enter the discussion on the manager. If you think the players aren’t performing up to their abilities, you do something about it. If the manager is too old and kindly to his boys to do that, you bring in some tough SOB. I guarantee you it will bring short term results. After that, get another manager. I’m serious. There are any number of people who can manage a ballclub. Why anyone would keep the same guy for years with no real results is beyond me. The players quit listening after so long.
The question was constantly asked a few years ago, “if you fire Leyland, who on earth would you get?” My answer at the time was Manny Acta and Kirk Gibson. My answer at this time would be just about anybody. Things have got to change. It’s the only option. It’s not placing blame, it’s just the only option.
That’s all I’ve got on that issue. Now, I’m already hearing that it’s the injuries that are keeping us down. We all know that isn’t true, but that’s going to be the company line.

Leyland needs to go. Change is necessary.
You ask what I would do? I’d turf Leyland and his staff except Brookens. Brookens would be my manager.
As to incentives, well the guaranteed contracts are not exclusive to the Detroit Tigers.. It’s not the contracts.
It is the culture of defeat and Leyland is the leader.
1st it was 20 games then 1/4 of the season now a 1/3 of the season. Soon it will be half and the All-Star break. The longer this is allowed to continue the more deeply indelible it becomes.
Meanwhile Leyland is fiddling (waiting) while Detroit burns.

Regarding guaranteed contracts I never said this was exclusive to Detroit, I’m not stupid. It is my opinion of sports and unions as a whole. My point is they have no real reason to do anything unless they are fighting for something. In my opinion part of their salaries should be incentive based. ( including the manager).

I think unions belong in every workplace. Without unions,workers are disposable pawns. Unless you enjoy 80hr workweeks at reduced wages and no medical coverage or pensions than unions are the way to go. Wealthy businessmen dont willingly give decent wages and benefits to their workers. They have to do it because unions demand it or they have to pay well enough to keep their workers from jumping ship to a union job. Business execs have grown 600% more wealthy while workers have lost wealth since late 1960’s. Take a look at the dozens of antiworker laws at our capital currently being pushed through. Are you aware workmans comp is a joke since recent laws gutted it.or our state cut unemployment to 20wks to create jobs? So far no jobs have resulted. None. How can making more unemployed people unable to pay their bills create jobs. It cant. Sorry to hijack the topic. But some people are living in a bubble.

Terribly underpaid this day in age. My heart just bleeds. Time and a place but that time has passed, if it’s anyone who lives in a bubble it’s those who hide behind one instead of the reast of us who have to go to work and perform or we don’t have a job. Talking about ball players here.

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