Leyland: Hamels should’ve gotten 15 games

Interesting comments from manager Jim Leyland this evening during his pregame show on Cole Hamels, the Phillies pitcher who admitted to hitting Bryce Harper on purpose last night. Major League Baseball announced a five-game suspension for Hamels Monday, but Leyland felt like it should’ve been much more than that, and he said as much on his pregame radio show:

“Personally, if I was I was making that vote, it would be a 15-game suspension, at least. I don’t know Cole Hamels, so I certainly don’t have any qualms with Cole Hamels. I don’t know the man. I know he’s a very good pitcher, a very talented guy, but when you come out and admit it like that – that ball could have missed, hit him in the head or something else like that – and you come out and admit that, I think five games is way too light, in my personal opinion. And I would expect that if that was my pitcher, if my pitcher went out and, almost in a braggadocious way, talked about hitting a guy and that ‘I did it on purpose.’

“The way I read it, and I don’t know if the kid meant it this way, but it was almost like a braggadocious thing. That’s not enough. There’s no way. It upsets me because if you watch Major League Baseball, a lot of times one of your guys hits [a batter], one of their guys hits [a batter], the umpires are very quick to warn both benches about a situation like that, and a lot of times there’s nothing going on at all, but they just want to stop something before it starts. Well, this is a case where this is, to me, this is a great time … you know, we’re always talking about our game being cleaned up and doing the right things for our game in all areas of the game … but this is a perfect time to show that we mean business. And I think this suspension is way, way too light.”

Leyland went on to take a poke at the warning system as Dan Dickerson was starting into a follow-up question.

“It becomes a joke. Let’s tell it like it is. I know I’ll probably get some phone calls [from MLB], but I don’t care if I do or not. I don’t know if anyone cares about my opinion. You asked me, so I’m sharing it with you. I think, with what we’re trying to do with baseball and send the right message to everybody, young people, old people, fans, everybody else – and this is a case where in my opinion it looks like to me the union has nowhere to go because this was two of their people involved. This was not just one of their people where they could file a grievance about something. This is two of their people, so that makes it a different thing too, in my opinion. So I think this is way too light and I’m very disappointed in the sentence.”


JL is paying too little attention to his own team. Fister with a brilliant performance. Cabrera stranding 6 runners on base along with some others not hitting well. Coke a great job so take him out. Then a horrible Dotel collapse. This a guy DD was after for years? Why leave him in there long enough to blow the game? No hitting, not enough bullpen. Forget Cole Hamels, JL. Get your team straightened out.

That was not typical Dotel, and I just don’t know if there was nobody hot enough in the pen to come in or if he just had confidence in Dotel to stage ten himself out since he had been so god this year. I gotta wonder if he is hurt? That was a kick in the gut, the second time in three days.

I’ve said it a million times but I’ve got to pay better attention to the self correct before I push post. That last post of mine is unreadable, sorry. The jist of my post is that you can’t blame that on Leyland,that’s not typical Dotel, you’ve gotta wonder if he is hurt and these really good hitters have got to start hitting, because right now they are aweful!

Again, it comes down to hitting. We had some hard hit balls for outs, but also some bloops for hits and runs. It takes almost a perfect storm of events to lose these games, and it’s uncanny how often we achieve that storm.
Has baseball fixed it so nobody can finish a game but closers? That was astounding what Dotel did. I still don’t believe what I just saw.
There’s no point in blaming Leyland for doing what every single manager in baseball does. They all look for an easy to follow formula in order to avoid hurting their brains by having to think. Sometimes it’s just no fun to watch the game as they play it these days.
Fister was incredibly good tonight. So was Coke.

I am almost at a loss for words.
Illinois–those were my thoughts exactly. Why is this guy mouthing off about some other team and player? Meanwhile he keeps running Raburn out to 2nd base. He is ignoring the need to set a fire under Alex’s butt, is mismanaging his bullpen either overusing or not using pitchers out there.
I knew this game was ill-fated when we kept leaving runners on and showed the TEAM cannot support each other. Another fantastic effort by a starter who is left out to dry.
Seattle showed how to play baseball in the 9th. True, they had a lot of help but we had “choke” written all over us and they took advantage.
Raburn getting all this playing time sickens me. He even gets further rewarded by being allowed to remain in a game when he is taken out for defensive purposes.
Not blaming him, no one player can be blamed in this mess,. Ironically, a good throw would have nailed the runner at home.
Do you think JL would have bunted with the #5 hitter with a man on 2nd. No way.
Wedge did luck out after making a bonehead move by putting in Furbush to pitch to Jackson.
I sometimes wonder what is going on in our manager’s head. I’m looking at the bullpen in the 7th and see below and Putkonen?. That’s ridiculous. Coke was stoked and it’s too bad we didn’t get to see what he could have done. I thought with Ichiro coming up he might leave him in.
This team is dangerously close to becoming one that will have no faith in itself.
Leyland has to take Raburn out. And this is not picking on Raburn, he’s awful right now. That kind of stuff is infectious IMO. You got guys sitting watching this?
I guess I actually wasn’t at a loss for words after all.
I am so glad I did not attend this game.
Time to fire McLendon? Why not—it can’t hurt.
Poor at bats, awful swings, going for fences in the middle of a power outage, someone has to correct this and be able to get on the the players’ cases about their approach at the plate.
Also glad I have a place to vent. I had to play “polite baseball fan” as I was watching the game with my wife and had to behave.

Dotel needs a kick in the nuggets after that stellar collapse. 2walks and then 2 terrible pitchs that score a run then a hit scoring another. Give me a break that was atrocious.

If Leyland insists on plying Raburn until he starts to hit why doesn’t he simply do it in Toledo? Believe it or not-the guy still has an option year left. The current situation is not helping Raurn to hit and isn’t helping Santiago either. Ramon has had too few reps. Personally I think they need to give Worth a shot out there at some point.
I also think they need to get Avila’s attention. Alex is a pretty cool cutomer but he needs to dial it up a little more.
JL is again overusing him. At least give Laird the start against Vargas on Wednesday.
Somebody has to get to Delmon and get him to be just a tad more selective at the plate. He’s going through some stuff right now but we need him to help out.
I have no idea on how to improve this lineup. With really only the top 2 hitters getting solid hits lately it’s a quandary. Tigers should be able to mash Millwood but they need to get Ramon and Kelly into the lineup.
I’d seriously think about DHing Dirks and playing Kelly in the field. Kelly, Laird, Ramon and Worth are languishing on the bench. If I’m riding the pine and seeing the kind of baseball they are watching I’d be getting pretty demoralized.

I stayed up and watched that disaster. Very bleary-eyed this morning. Wasted opportunities aside; people need to do their job in the ninth. As soon as Dotel threw that first pitch to Ryan that almost hit him, I said what I always say when Valverde lets the leadoff man get on: “Oh boy, here we go!”. The late innings are an adventure right now; so different from last year’s lock down. Bullpens are so fickle from season to season. JL takes no blame for that game last night. Guys have to do their jobs. Dotel looked like a wide-eyed rookie in the ninth and Avila did not help his pitcher out. I dont know what they called the 2nd one, but IMO, it was a passed ball. He was lazy and tried to backhand it.
I am happy to see Dirks doing well after getting his shot. I have always liked him and was an advocate for him to be the LFer with DY as the DH over the winter.
We had some bad luck last night but we also had good luck as both runs had Fielder bloop singles involved that could have been caught.
Dan, while I agree a better throw from Raburn would have got the runner, I was surprised he made it as close as he did. In that situation, the outfield is shallow. Couple that with the fact it was a liner to his right and he was unable to get behind it; he still got a pretty good throw off. Closer than I thought it would have been.
No panic yet. We were 12-17 last year. But the way we are losing is getting tough to swallow.
Let’s try again to start a streak.
Go Tigers.
— Bob

going back to the Hamels story, a mental lapse on his part? he tries to intimidate a rookie by intentionally hitting him then admits it publicly? pretty careless for a guy who’s been around the league awhile. Hamels did get plunked in return. Guys like Lee and Halladay should take him aside and correct this misadventure in throwing, not pitching.
Hamels just might not be the sharpest tool in the shed. “in a Florida bar during the spring of 2005, he got into a fight with one of the locals and broke a bone in his hand. The injury kept him on the shelf until June.” Maybe he fits the Nuke LaLoosh stereotype…million dollar arm, 2 cent head.

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