Guillen has microfracture knee surgery (updated)

The Tigers provided some info this morning on Carlos Guillen’s knee surgery from yesterday in New York. Guillen underwent what the club called microfracture surgery on the left knee as well as a “surgical clean-up of the degenerative changes” in the knee.

That doesn’t mean there was a fracture on the knee, and it doesn’t mean the injury came entirely from the hit. Head athletic trainer Kevin Rand compared it to a divot on the bone that might have become worse over time until the collision with Brett Gardner last month made it unplayable. The microfracture surgery promotes the healing.

Guillen won’t be able to put weight on the knee for 6-8 weeks, and won’t begin physical activity for four months, which would put him on a rehab track for January. If the surgery is successful, Guillen could be ready for Opening Day, but the feeling isn’t strong enough to say that he will.

Suffice to say, that could have a major impact on how the Tigers proceed this offseason at second base and with their search for some offense. Team president/general manager Dave Dombrowski didn’t want to talk about their future plans just yet, but he did not backtrack from comments he made last week to WDFN that they could have Will Rhymes and Scott Sizemore at second base going into next year and feel good about it.

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Oh, my, that’s worse than expected.

The SOC is batting Boesch 5th again!
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He’s pretty stubborn. Will he feel exonerated if Boesch hits one out? Yes
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Will he be deterred if he doesn’t? Not on your life.

It’s exactly what I expected. I didn’t buy the “bone bruise” thing. We’re talking cartilage here. They create tiny fractures in the articular cartilage so it can heal over. It doesn’t heal back as strong, but Carlos might get a season out of this. In the general population (non-athlete), the procedure isn’t routine but it’s not uncommon.
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I wouldn’t advise putting him in the field if he can make it back. Even as fulltime DH, he’s prone to injury and that has to be taken into account when planning for next year.
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Good luck, Carlos, you’re a good man.
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–Rich

The SOC is batting Boesch 5th again!
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He’s pretty stubborn. Will he feel exonerated if Boesch hits one out? Yes
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Will he be deterred if he doesn’t? Not on your life.

Speaking of Boesch.

He is not squaring up on the ball very often. Usually hitting the bottom of the ball or the top (if he hits it at all).
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I went through this a number of years ago playing fast-pitch softball. I got so frustrated I started to take to the batting cages but instead of going to softball I went to the smaller baseball machine. Long story short—it worked. I started seeing the ball much better and got my stroke back.
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Maybe they need to throw Boesch some golf balls in BP!!!

Johnny Damon just proved to me again, why I don’t want him around this team. 2 men in scoring position and he takes a fastball over the plate for a called strike 3.
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Too, Too, Too many times this year have we seen that scenario.
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AJ is looking like he might not hit .300
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MCab is not himself.
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We’re very fortunate to have JV and Max here next year. I feel almost the same about Porcello.

JV tends to have that one bad inning in the 5th or 6th.
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Damon up again wirth 2 runners on—-I’d PH for him.

Well, I’ll be damned. Guess we’re looking at our new 2nd baseman

Well, now we’re only 15 games out of first. I was shocked when Sizemore hit that HR. There’s that power people were talking about. If the ankle was really bothering hisperformance so much, why did they even play him earlier in the season? He could have re-broke it like Magglio did.
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We certainly do have some competition for that 2nd base position now: Rhymes, Sizemore, Santiago, Worth, and Guillen.

Forgot about Rugburn. He plays 2nd also.

I haven’t posted in awhile but always like reading. It’s beenfun watching the young guys play and to see Scherzer give JV a run for his money as the Ace of the staff.

Miggy is obviously hurt. They need to shut him down and let him heal.

ESPN tonight. I hope we look good. Sizemore starting at 2nd. Will be watching to see how fast he can turn a DP.

Hope he didn’t hurt himself that 1st AB. Which ankle was it?
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No curse of National TV tonight please..
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Wish we had RP going.

We could have had a triple play if Inge had hung onto that ball. Man!
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Sizemore has had a tough game already and we’re not out of the 1st inning.
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Bonderman has the ong sigh and look to the heavens going on tonight again.
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If he has another rough inning in the 2nd we better get that bullpen going. I don’t expect him to be heere next year.

The error by Sizemore turned out to be a big one. But Inge dropping the liner really hurt.
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I think Inge was thinking that he had a TP there and was trying to get rid of the ball too quickly. Have to see it again.
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I hope we don’t look bad on National TV

Dan, Rich and Pup – you all deserve recognition continuing to post right through the season – we all keep reading but find it real hard to post.
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It seems to be a real macho thing that guys keep putting their hands up playing thru ‘minor’ injury and management elects not to manage.
Migg is the latest that this Blog has been commenting on for a least two weeks, and he keeps going out their regardless of the possible long term impact and form – now .213/.278/.362 for September.

Thanks Dave. MCab is struggling and looks very ordinary. Way too many K’s for his skillset.
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Bottom or 3rd now and this is a tell-tale inning for Bonderman. He got lucky in the 2nd.

Wow–Inge made of the best plays I have ever seen. Most guys would not (or could not) have thrown that ball to 1st.
And to get the fastest guy in the league. Whew. Outstanding.
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Let’s hope that picks up the team and for cripes sake Jeremy quit letting guys on base. He’s got 5 hits and 3 BBs in 4 innings. Not a WHIP to be comfortable with.
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BTW, these announcers are just horrible. What the heck are they incessantly talking about? MVP, and changeups and Morgan’s stolen bases. Call the ball game that you and we are watching.

I knew Laird tagged that guy out at the plate and the slo-mo proved it. Score should be tied. You know where you can take the human element as far as I’m concerned.
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It’s been a pleasure to hear the ESPN guys for a change. They sure did appreciate Inge’s catch and throw to Cabrera. Gave some love to Cabby for the catch, too.
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Still, I have hope we can beat them. Bondo still hanging in there.

I have no idea how Bonderman can pitch so badly yet surrender no earned runs. Scherzer and JV can pitch their brains out and they give up a couple most times.
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Here comes Thomas who almost invariably goes 2-0 against the 1st hitter he faces.
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Damn—my nickname for him (Two & O) does it again against a LHB and then the predictable hitter’s count turns into another run.
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Maybe if Thojmas would quit chewing his gum so hard he might understand how to focus on the task of throwing strikes and keeping his team in the game.
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Another guy I hope is long gone in the mold of almost every middle inning reliever we have experienced here the last 3 or 4 years. The guy is bad. Bonine too. There is nothing there and they are pretty much cannon fodder IMO.
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That 1st inning is still haunting us

I don’t know sb, how we can feel so differently about the announcers. Orel, Joe and John. Those WS rings sure do look good. There is alot of talk about MVP. These are outsiders talking about an elite player in the league. For fans not familiar with the Tigers, they have provided some background that we just take for granted.
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We sure do miss Maggs. I wonder if he’s watching the game back home. Where would we be with him still in the lineup.

Th friendly ghost taking on the aura of Maggs!
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Why does the time on this blog say I wrote something at 11:26 when it’s 10:12pm. Not even close.

Disappointing inning there. But as far as Coke goes ya – he hasn’t been the same guy he was – he has been completely overused and I am sure is wearing down. Respectfully I will disagree with you that he is overrated. Overused yes – and nobody ever say he was a closer He also helped win an aweful lot of games.

Rollin, rollin, rollin, keep them doggies moving.

Pretty nice inning but I am very worried about Miggy. He has to be hurting and if so they need to be very cautious with that.
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Hopefully this is not a sign o him fatiguing at the end of a long season. We hear a lot about the drinking problem last year but i think his tail-off also had a lot to do with getting burn out after doing the heavy lifting all season.
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Miggy has lost the MVP and he is getting frustrated as well. He needs some rest.
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Leyland has been 2 for 2 in the 2B PH carnival he has instituted. What I’m afraid of is that he will get fixated on this and inhibit development of 2 players next year.

I don’t know how many times this year I have said Coke was over-rated. Thomas chews gum and Coke spits. I’d like to see a bit more than that from our southpaws.
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A few weeks ago I thinnk he lost us 3 games in a week.
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At leat leyland took him out but this is a pretty impossible taks for Weinhardt.

Schlereth should have been ready to face AJ
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AJ will win this game for the Sox

Glad I was wrong about that.

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Back to Coke–you just can’t count on him to cinch things up. He has been undependable even with his not so bad ERA. He has “Coked” in clutch situations a whole lot.
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Get Schlereth warmed up and ready.
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Shame on Ozzie and his sycophants in the dugout. That is chump behaviour and bush league. Thing is–he probably did rattle Robbke who, as I said, was in a pretty impossible situation.

Weinhardt sure got rattled and he has had some difficulty up here but I think he has potential. He’s got a nice sinker and does throw strikes. He might be OK
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We better get some runs though.

Well we disagree on Coke – while I do think he has been poor lately – I don’t think he has been poor most of the year just over used.
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What are you talking about with this Shame on Ozzie?? I must of missed it. But anything that Ozzie does doesn’t shock me I think that he is a fool and low class. (although sometimes cracks me up)

Who cares about class? Just give me a manager who can get his team to win.

Too many pitchers. I can’t stand it.

Do any of you realize what Cabrera’s numbers are against Chicago this year??? (not counting this game with makes it even worse0

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51 AB’s he has only 9 hits two of them homers -walked 14 times and strick out 7- scored 8 runs and had only 3 RBI’s. The numbers are really ugly. He bats .091 against their lefties and .200 against their righties.
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UGLY UGLY UGLY numbers against his buddies????

I care about class and behavior! All the money in the world would make me want a Manny or a A-rod.

That ump = my gosh what does Bonine have to do to get a strike called. Put a wad of cash on it for the ump??

I am talking about the Rios AB

Rhymes?? What was that a tailored made double play ball!!

another walk – terrific with all the errors that is great.

YES!!!!

Schlereth could be at least as good as Thomas next year if he can throw that curve consistently for strikes. Congrats on his first career save and congrats to the Tigers who played fairly lousy baseball except for 1 half inning tonight but managed a sweep of the Sox.

Yikes, what a nutty ballgame that was. The youngsters got some trial by fire tonight. Who would have thought we’d sweep the Sox in Chicago with Cabrera going 0 for the series?
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I don’t know what Ozzie and the guys were laughing about. Sometimes it just seems he’s crazy. Whatever. That’s their issue with him and Williams.
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I agree about Weinhardt, Dan. He’s just barely gotten here, but he has the tools to make it. I saw it during last year’s AFL. These are some young people we’re putting out there. Very young.
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Inge turned in some dandy plays. Both of those throws were incredible, and I think he nailed that runner at the plate. A replay would have shown him out. Yeah, I said it. :-) Just when you think you can’t stand to watch Brandon any longer, he does this.
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I don’t know how Bonderman does it, but he stays in these games. Just when you think you want to ship him out, he ends up in the 6th inning of a 2-1 ballgame. I was suprised that the 121 pitches is his career high. Regarding his body language, I can’t complain. You should see me play golf. :-)
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Speaking only for myself, the ESPN game presentation drives me batty. Too much chatter, too many in your face graphics. It seemed all three (why three?!?) of the announcers got better during the extra innings when they’d run out of their scripted topics for the evening. I know a lot of people get irritated with Rod and Mario, but those two are expert at sticking to THE GAME WE’RE WATCHING.
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That was a nice compliment, Dave, thanks. Like everyone else, I wish we could be in the race all the time, but it’s still baseball and it’s still our team. I’m more than happy to talk baseball with anyone at anytime, no matter the particular subject.
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We’ve beat Chicago 8 of the last 9. That was one of my goals, and it’s been met. JL is looking good on his .500 finish, too. 2 of 3 from Minnesota would complete the deal.
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–Rich

Joe Morgan drives me batty! I think that he is one of the most arrogant men on the planet. He may be exactly right about everything he says but I just can’t get past the rest. Although not worse than McGarver. Last night when he said it was his birthday both my spouse and I both looked at each other and said crap – yesterday was our anniversary and we didn’t want to share a date like that with him. HA HA.
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That first inning could have been a really bad nightmare. First the ball under Sizemore’s glove, then the ball just out of Peralta’s reach (lateral movement?), the line drive dropped by Inge, and Cabrera not at first base? Where was he? I never could tell by the re-runs. I thought Laird could have blocked the plate better on that sac foul fly. As it turned out the Tigers won with 7 of the 9 runs knocked in by rookies. Is it just that time of the year or are some of these guys really ready for the big time? It was also good to see the Sox failures- 4 for 24 with RISP and 21 LOB. I don’t think even the Tigers had one game that bad this year. One big question left- Can the Tigers catch and pass the Sox? Right now 4 games behind with 13 to play. The way the Sox are playing right now, a West Coast trip may be the last thing they need. The Tigers will have to play some good baseball against KC, the Twins, the Indians, and the Orioles.

Great sweep! I’ll record the ESPN guys while watching the Tigers some Sunday night. They talk about the like ballplayers (to me). Joe Morgan doesn’t bother me a bit.

There is not a better team to sweep for the Tigers in all of baseball. Is Cabrera hurt or is it the Sox, he never seem to do well against the Sox. I do not remember him having the problems he has had lately with the high fastballs. I tend to feel like the shoulder is a problem that he wants to play through.

Coke has been inconsistant. You can usual tell fairly soon if his control is going to be an issue. The problem with him closing with Valverde out and Perry already out of the game, the inexperience factor hits when you take him out. JL has had a quick hook with him at times, but gives him more rope in the 9th inning.

Mark

I think it’s both. The Sox know how to pitch Cabrera. For that matter, so do I. He appears to be playing with an injury and his swing looks different. I remember Sheffield with his injured shoulder and he had to start his swing earlier, which messed him up. In that case, however, it was his right shoulder and Cabby’s is the left, if I remember correctly. He’s a master at getting the fat part of the bat on pitches in various locations, and that may be what the injury is taking away from him. Just a guess on that. He’s certainly not the same guy since that injury.
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–Rich

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