Galarraga vents

Considering Armando Galarraga should have a perfect game on his record, he probably has every right to be frustrated about how things have turned out. But it isn’t the would-be perfect game that flusters him. It’s all the starts after that.

Galarraga badly wanted that June 2 performance to be his springboard to being a frontline pitcher. For a variety of reasons, that hasn’t happened. One big reason has been run support.
In case you missed Galarraga’s comments from last night’s no-decision:
“The season’s almost over, and I have four wins. It’s not like I think I don’t throw the ball good. I’ve been throwing the ball good. You see my numbers. There’s only four wins. What are you going to say? I already have 100-something innings. Four wins the whole year? Sometimes you get frustrated, because you want to see more wins.”

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Brad Hawpe, Rays, grand slam. Sure glad the Tigers didn’t try to get him.

Play him the rest of the way and then T-R-A-D-E H-I-M!!
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He will never have more trade value than he does now.
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There is a reason he has only 4 wins and it isn’t all because of poor run supprt. He walks leadoff men and he allows teams to get back into close games. Gives up too many homers. GMan has potential to be a 4th or 5th starter. But he has to get rid of the arrogant surly side and the poor me mentality. I think he has offended his own teammates. We could benefit from a lefty in the rotation so between Bondo and GMan I think we will have that role fulfilled next year.
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I see a self-centred individual here. Many people arguably are, but we all try to counter balance the the personality trait. I don’t think Armando does.
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I’m pretty sure we would be better off without him. He’s no Don Drysdale after all.

Actually, I prefer this over that bland “not too high not too low” garbage that everyone else parrots. Nice to see some emotion from a Detroit player. The dude should have more than 4 wins and watching his club strand a leadoff triple was frustrating. I know it frustrated me. I don’t know how Armando winds up being the bad guy for simply saying what the rest of us say in here all the time.
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ALL of our starters should have more decisions.
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–Rich

I agree…self centered, arrogant..nothing his fault. Proved it with his rant against Avila. Trade him, in actuality probablt won’t get much but its better than ruining team chemistry. Honestly, I think Leyland has had enough of him too

Yeah, Nate had a terrible time getting runs from his team mates. He started “Gum Time” for the other pitchers. Loved it, and it almost always worked. The organization didn’t seem too high on it, however. But the fans and kids had fun with it. Thinking about Nate reminds me of Mike Maroth. Never got back after his surgery and has been bouncing around in the minor leagues and Independent ball for several years now. He and his wife did a tremendous amount of charity work in Detroit.
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One other thing that really bugs me is our catching situation. Indications seem to be Avila next year. Honestly, the man can’t hit. He’s another one who could have used more time in the minors. That play he made at the plate last week was downright embarrasing. He has a strong arm and calls a good game and is cheaper than Laird. Is that the best we can do?

Avila is a AA player but its the son of the assistant to the GM.
Galarraga is right. He and the others can not shut out every other team.
Galarraga was the only pitcher with a wining record the year the even Verlander failed.

He has a right to be annoyed, the guy has a sub 4 era and only four wins – that is pathetic. This team as far as the hitting is either all or nothing – they did the same thing to Nate Robertson in 2006 he was the guy who didn’t get any run support when he had something like a 3.6 era.

Well, if I was JL, I’d let BB ride the pine til the season ends. He’s not helping anyone. I sure as heck would not have played him last night when we have 2 other guys who can catch the ball and hit.
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Where was the fire when Jim Joyce called that guy safe? I can’t think of any guy with, well, you know what, that wouldn’t have tore a new one on Jim Joyce. Passive/Agressive. He’s got all the signs.

I hope we can acquire one experienced, preferably left arm for the rotation slottng into the #3 spot. Likely (hope anyway) Bondo takes a pay cut to stay and GMan will be a trade chip. GMan hasn’t had much luck this year and remember the Youklis grounder of his ankle taking him out with one out to finish the 5th and get the win.
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Raaburn must be SOC’s fill in guy for completing the lineup batting 5th, 4th, 3rd, and now 2nd during September. Obviously not hurting him with his .433/.469/.7.
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Did the SOC have a second half fade in this 22 game managerial career in VZ? :-)

GMan is a treat to watch when he is throwing strikes.
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But, I’ve played too much ball to know tha twhen you have someone complaining about the input/output from teammates it is always counter productive. Yes we have some dougout theatrics and media moments but this team does not nedd that .
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We have enough arrogance in our manager and what we need is a “all for one, one for all” ethic that makes the players better.
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Bye-Bye Armando. I was on this guys side till this incident though the last one with Avila and Laird was a premonition.

At least the O’s are enjoying this and we have to play them 5 more times.
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Funny that they say Ramon has second half fades, not born by his career stats. Nothing though gets said about Inge who apart from 2006 has had significantly lower H2 production with:
Career H1 .247/.327;
Career H2 .227/.285;
2010 H1 .264/.342;
2010 H2 .232/.294;
and really likes Detroit with:
2010 Home .296/.363;
2010 Away .209/.288.

Zzzzzzzzzzz

The Orioles are 23-14 under Showalter. In their first 105 games, they hit 24 sac flies. In their 37 with Buck, they’ve hit 12. Who says a manager doesn’t make a difference?
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And now we’re under .500 again. These guys can’t sustain anything. I guess that would fall under getting “too high.” Leyland has obtained his goal; a fat and happy club that plays .500 ball. Sign him to an extension now!
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See how the hitting falls off when Cabrera is back to do the heavy lifting? This stuff all ties in together. It was the entire story of the 2008 Tigers.
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The only ones that get too high and too low………is us.
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–Rich

That’s really weird Rich. The stats, albeit from only 6 games missed by Migg back your case with the Tigs going 4-2 losing the two early away games in Seattle, averaging 10.5 hits per game (season avge 9.4 hits & 3rd highest in AL) and scoring 5.7 runs per game (season avge 4.5 runs).

The lineup today:
1. Will Rhymes, 2B
2. Ryan Raburn, RF
3. Don Kelly, LF
4. Miguel Cabrera, 1B
5. Jhonny Peralta, SS
6. Brennan Boesch, DH
7. Brandon Inge, 3B
8. Casper Wells, CF
9. Alex Avila, C

I see JL is ascribing to the power hitter in the 2 hole theory again (LaRussa’s)
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I would have figured this might have been a time to play St. Pierre again—but realitically with JV pitching and needing a stopper to win usa ball game, I guess you have to go with a familiar battery. Sure would like to see Avila start to pull the ball again.

Very impressive opening inning by JV. To get Roberts after fouling off so many pitches was a mini-victory and the fact he pitched to Scott without using a fastball even once is a really nice piece of work.
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Let’s hope he is on today.

Here we go with JL not running guys who can actually run. Is there any earthly reason you don’t run Rhymes on a 2-2 pitch to Cabrera? If Cab doubles or even gets a long gap single, Rhymes has a chance of scoring. If it is ball 3 he probably ends up stealing 2nd.
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Leyland is such a victim of his own habits.
I guess that is why he is a stubborn ol’ coot.
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Talking about Raburn. IMO, if they don’t think he will be a regular they would be wise to trade him. We have a utility guy in Kelly who is better defensively anyway. Why let Raburn stagnate on the bench where he really doesn’t do that well—he nees his ABs. Package him up and ship him off to St. Louis wheere he will become another Ryan Ludwick. Colby Rasmus is unloved and unwanted in St. Louis. He’d look good in a Tiger uni.
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DD must be mandated to acquire a back half of a 1-2 punch to complement MCab. It is foolish to have a hitter of such magnitude but unable to sandwich him with proven and dependable offensive threats. There is something to be said about arrangements like Cash/Kaline, Mantle/Maris, Mays/McCovey, Aaron/Mathews, Mauer/Morneau, Hamilton/ Guerrero.
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Without it you are not optimizing your big hitter and your lineup.

Back to the Galarraga Saga:
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Will we hear JV complain about lack of run support? Will he berate his teammates for not giving him enough runs to win 20 games?
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Will Porcello or Scherzer complain–they too have had bouts of no run support.
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Speaking of which–where the heck have the bats gone again?

JV seems to get rattled when he gives up bloops hits. Hopefully that was his one bad inning today. Tough break on the slider in the dirt. Avila often get those.
Speaking of Avila–they had the hit&run on but I think they really have to consider sac bunting when we get our ..200-.220 hitters up. At least he did take a pretty aggressive swing at the 2-0 pitch–something he has not been doing.

Rod talking about JV not being able to throw to 1st after coming to a set position. He does it once then allows Roberts a free pass to 2nd. All Justin had to do when Roberts shuffled was to step off the rubber and throw him out. They really need to work on this part of the game as it is the root of a not insignificant number of runs scored against him throughout the course of the season.

This is the problem with our Tigers. We can as easily go into a funk where everyone forgets how to have a good AB, even against inexperienced pitching, as cobbling together a decent streak where the hitting is good. It can happen overnight. Just not enoght continuity in our offense–certainly it is not an innovative one.
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Major emphasis needed for next year–major.

Biggest AB of Avila’s year coming up right here in the 7th—against a lefty. I don’t see it happening but even a cheap hit would work.
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I like Avila but he just looks so placid at the plate–I’d like to see some grim determination. A Pet Rose approach would be nice to have on the team wouldn’t it?
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As I thought.
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Shame we can only muster one cheap bloop against a guy with an almost 8.00 ERA coming into this game. We have seen it all too often this year.
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This is the reason Tiger fans are losing confidence, why they think JL should be creativley managing mor eruns and why they feel Lloyd Mc Clendon is not a good hitting instructor.

Oh man—here comes AJ in a late inning RISP situation. We all know he has struggled in these situations. Let’s hope his approach is a good one—I would rather see him swinging at the 1st pitch if this grooves one, to avoid getting behind in the count, which sometimes escalates a poor AB for AJ.
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Be nice to see us get JV a lead here. It’s a “microcosm of the season” potential here right now.

I guess we get Coke for the save. Hmmph.
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I am guessing he will get the job done but I really do not have confidence in him. Hope he leaves his California beach attituden in the bullpen and come in here with a sense of purpose.

Avila 212. Thats the blogs commenter favorite. And they bash Inge
He must go back to aa
Who will close? but closer and setup arms are broken . Thanks JL

This is a mysterious bunch. Yesterday and today nothing at all till the 8th inning. The ability to fashion together late-inning rallies is an element of a good team—-the slumber across the board sluber we go into for 6 or 7 innings is the sign of a bad team. I hope we are learning.

I was assembling some furniture while the game went on so, while I knew what was happening, I wasn’t following as closely as I usually do.
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The Baltimore announcers (whom I was stuck with for these games) said Cabrera had only four pitches to hit in the entire series and he clobbered all four. :-) They were also counting hitters in the late innings all weekend to see if Miggy would hit again in the game. If anyone wants to know who the MVP is, ask opposing pitchers.
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–Rich

Born and raised in Grand Rapids, I had to watch my teams today even though it was 73 and sunny. Watched the first half of both Detroit teams and then did yard work. Did not see the 8th inning but came in for the 9th. What a surprise! Saw Calvin Johnson get robbed of a winning touchdown! Tigers win, Lions are the victims of a fixed game in Chicago. Statman, how many runs do we score for JV? He should have 19 wins. Greg, my daughter got a special needs teaching job after looking for 2 years. My wife is in her 33rd year. Good luck to you this final year. Maybe you will get to see the olde English D in the world series in your next few years of retirement!!! –Dave

A few days ago, FSN-D’s “Tigers Weekly” ran a show which listed the top ten Comerica Park moments. I wanted to see that but, for some reason, that show has been blacked out for me the past couple of months.
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Does anyone know how that came out? My choices, in no particular order, are the Maggs homer, Ernie’s farewell, and that raucous celebration after eliminating the Yankees in ’06. Was it a good show?
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–Rich

What a great show. Let’s see….in no particular order was the HR derby in ’05, the Tigers in ’03 not managing to have the worse season in MLB hisotry, Pudge’s walkoff against Cleveland in ’06, Kenny Rogres, of course against the Yankees, Armando’s perfect game, Verlander’s no-no, Ernie’s farewell, and, drum roll, what else could it be….Magglio’s HR. I’ve see that show at least 4 times and still get tears in my eyes at that HR. Well, that’s 8 of the great moments, someone else must be able to fill in the others . If not, I’ve got if recorded on the DVR and will go back to check.

Aug, 24, 2007, rain delay until 11:01 and Carlos hits walk-off at 3:20 am, Kenny Rogers vs. Cardinals in WS and foreign substance on hand.
3. Justin Verlander’s no-no
2. Ernie’s farewell
1. Maggs walkoff HR to win ALCS.

As an aside to Magglio’s HR, the clubhouse assistant is also interviewed and said he walked down the bech to get a piece a gum and was met by Magglio who asked him if the champagne was on ice. The guy didn’t say anything, but Magglio said “it’s over, right here.”

Hey thanks Pup. I’d forgotten some of those. I’m not suprised Magglio was so confident. I’ve rarely seen a guy so locked into an AB. Funny thing was, all I could anticipate was a single and that Monroe would have to run like the dickens to score that run. I’ll never forget just going “HA!” when Maggs connected.
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The 3:20 AM game I watched until the inning prior to Guillen’s walkoff. I had determined to stick it out then began to feel stupid for staying up so late. :-) But that’s why they make video replays.
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I’m very surprised they left out the celebration after eliminating the Yankees. That was very much a best moment, although it was a postgame moment. That should have replaced the pine tar idiocy, which pretty much ruined the World Series for me. To this day, I’d have trouble being civil to Joe Buck or Tim McCarver if I met them face to face.
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Ya Rich it was a good show. You mention when we eliminated the Yankees in ’06. I was at both the games, the Kenny game and the elimination game. I couldn’t speak for 4 days, I lost my voice. Everyone was just high fiving each other all the way out of the stadium and that was after watching the celebration on the field till it was over. SOOOOO Much fun.
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And it is funny that you say that about Joe Buck and Tim McCarver because I cannot listen to them after that. Tim was so transparent – the Cardinal McCarver is. I am not a big fan of LaRussa or Dunn the pitching coach – some of the things that they said either.

Well, they didn’t leave out the celebration of the ALDS which was part of the Gambler pitching so well. It was memorable, wasn’t it. He was the best!
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Also, that game where Carlos hit the HR ended at 3;29 AM.

Listening to MLB Network, the hosts are talking about the Padres lineup tonight and how the manager is switching up their lineup. Hosts are debating the merits of doing this. Most don’t like it, but sometimes it can get a team going. Only should be done if absolutely necessary. Oh, brother, I just shook my head. We never know what the lineup will be day to day. Wonder if Sizemore will even play. I mean, I know he’s not MLB ready, but why bring him up and have him going crazy sitting on the bench. Why keep playing Boesch hoping for a miracle? Tonight I can just watch the Yanks and Rays. Oh, the excitement of playoff bound teams. Of course, the main goal is to win their division, then the playoffs.

I got intrigued Dave about who has been the unluckiest starter.
When considering the Yankees 763 ? 589 runs (5.34 ? 4.12 average) and the O?s 539 ? 718 (3.77 ? 5.02 average), it all seems rather simple that you only have to average scoring 5 runs and concede 4 to lead the Majors.
On run support:
JV ? 5.1 runs per game is .55 over team average;
Rick ? 4.83 runs;
Bondo ? 4.68 runs;
Tig Average ? 655 for 4.55 runs;
GMan ? 4.45 runs;
Max ? 3.9 runs support is .65 under team average.
JV gets easily the most support and only Max has grounds to complain.
On relief support:
Bondo ? 5.08 runs conceded per game is .05 over his 5.03 ERA;
Rick ? 5.21 runs conceded is .11 over his 5.10 ERA;
JV ? 3.6 runs conceded is 0.12 over his 3.48 ERA;
GMan ? 4.5 runs conceded is .61 over his 3.89 ERA over;
Max ? 4.4 runs conceded is 0.8 over his 3.6 ERA.
Max and GMan have had the least effective support, with Max also suffering a crazy 8 unearned runs with 70 earned. GMan has the lowest with 2 unearned / 53 earned followed by JV with 4 unearned / 77 earned.
For quality starts, win-loss record and ERA:
JV 67%; 16-8 and 3.48 ERA;
Max 57%; 10-10 and 3.6 ERA;
Bondo 48%; 8-9 and 5.03 ERA;
Rick 46%; 9-11 and 5.10 ERA;
GMan 40%; 4-5 and 3.89 ERA.
Max?s dramatic improvement resulted in his H1 ERA of 4.61 dropping to 2.41 ERA post break. It hasn?t translated to wins though with his 6-6 H1 matching his 4-4 post break.
Max is a tough 0-6 in one run games with Rick similarly 1-5. Bondo with 4-2 is the only winning record for one run results.
GMan has been unable to get results in high scoring games (6+ runs) being 2-0 from 7 games. In comparison, JV is 10-1 from 14 games and Rick 7-0 from 8 games.
Rick has been unable to deliver in average score games (3-5 runs) being 1-6 from 9 games. The rest are even splits apart from JV who excels with 6-1 from 9 games.
Max gets no run support, defensive or relief support.

Thanks Dave. I remember the Cecil Fielder days when we scored a lot of runs. Also, sometimes we score big for a starter and then his next 3 starts we don’t score a run. Remembering Willie Horton, as a kid you always had to imitate the batting stance. He held that bat so high. Another good one was Dick McAulliffe. Of course my favorite, Al Kaline. Wasn’t there a year when McAulliffe went the whole year without hitting into a double play? Amazing. Hey SOC, why not change the line up tonight? Might as well try Sizemore in the 3 hole. –Dave

Wilkin Ramirez was released by the Braves and will be a minor league free agent. Other than that blast into the CF bushes last year, his biggest claim to fame will be all the face time he got during last year’s classic Game 163. For some reason, the cameras kept zeroing in on him, of all people.
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Adrien Beltre will be out there this winter. I’m sure the Tigers will be linked to him in rumors. In fact, the Tigers may be linked to nearly everybody in rumors this offseason. If you like rumors, this should be the winter for you.
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I’m going to spend the hour preceeding the Tigers game watching Jair Jurrjens go against the Nationals. Sorry to bring up a bad memory. It’s JJ vs Livan. Interesting.
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I haven’t seen the Tigers play since spring training, so I’m considering going to the finale in Baltimore, weather permitting. After the Tigers win their next 17 in a row, they’ll be in position to clinch the division that day. Or I’ll just say goodbye. :-)
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–Rich

Rich, good info. With trades, you win some, you lose some. I know JJ has been hurt. Well, I am 3 for 3, seeing all Tiger wins in the first half. Hey Mr I, if you want to fill up Comerica, why don’t you get a second half manager. I am sure I would have gone to at least 3 more games and that would mean for sure victories. Sign some talent and start off the season hot. Hey SOC, do you see what the Rockies are doing? –Dave

Well, Dave, you almost got your wish. Sizemore is batting 2nd and Rugburn gets the honor, tonight, batting 3rd.

Does Leyland think he’s in Houston not Arlingotn?
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Over managing tonight.
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I bet it costs us dearly.

That’s what I mean—we didn’t need Weinhardt or Rhymes brought into the game at this point.
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Not sure we’re gonna get a good look at Schlereth this year. He doesn’t get to pitch much.
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Weinhardt does not turn my crank at all.

BTW to StatMan, (Dave). Wow–you could have a career dong what you do. Incredible and as always, interesting.
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7-4 now–nice moves Leyland

IMO–you let Sizemor e stay in the game there. Especially given the fact he had hada a pretty good game. Save Rhymes till later if you need a pinch runner or LHB late in the game.
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Having Schlereth pitch to one batter at the beginning of an inning in the middle of the game when it is tied makes no sense. yes when your down and dirty in the late innings with men on base you cn play cat and mouse, but there in that situation, you just waste a LHP out of the pen for no gain.

Well hosed by umpires that don’t know what a homerun and honest to god does this ump know what a strike is??? the one he called Raburn out on and the one where even Kinsler though he was out and the idiot called it a ball and then of course a single for another run. I also did not understand bringing Schlereth for one batter – doesn’t make sense.

turning this puppy off not worth watching

Boy do we look bad tonight.
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I was just going to say the Rangers will probably get to double figures and Young immediately plates 3.
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Better luck tomorrow is hoped for. I hope we can score 6 or 7 for Galarraga (to support him)

For all those who demand instant replay, you need to bear in mind that it’s yet another opportunity to hose the Detroit Tigers. Maybe I’m seeing what I want to see, but Murphy’s hit looked identical to Inge’s hit last Monday. Same angle, same everything. Anyway, one could make a case that the game went south right there after Bonderman stood around on the mound for five minutes. And a five minute delay is acceptable? I quit watching the NFL over this technical garbage. BTW, seeing the replay of Calvin Johnson yesterday proved I’d made the right decision in dropping football. So now baseball is like football. Review the play and still get it wrong.
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For at least this night, Brian Runge was the most incompetent ball/strike umpire I can remember.
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That’s all I took away from this one.
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–Rich

It was a foul ball. You could see it go to the right of the foul pole.
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As soon as Leland started switching players and pitchers, I turned it off. I don’t believe in platooning unless someone is hurt, and platooning seems to be Jim’s philosophy. No reason not to keep Sizemore out there as he let him start the game. Ridiculous managing!!! I can’t stand it. And then, the endless changes in pitchers. How do you know what a rookie can do if you don’t let him play the whole game. Pinch runners and sometimes a pinch hitter are called for. Leland doesn’t manage that way.
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I think Bondo still has good stuff, but he let his emotions get to him. Detroit has to be the best at what they do. No one and I mean no one is going to give us breaks. That don’t happen with Detroit teams. Detroit doesn’t get respect because we don’t demand it and we don’t show like we deserve it. Sorry to be negative. Hopefully, a better game tomorrow night.

Can anyone remember when the SOC last PH someone who hadn’t got at least one hit that game?
No surprise that his PH’ers from 84 AB’s are .183/.302/.244.
And the slugging % is correct.

Dan, I could not have said it any better but will add that Santiago swings at the first pitch and watches a waist high curve ball go by that he should have hit the opposite way. Then we don’t even put the ball in play. Rich, was the umping always this bad or is it because of TV replay we see more? Dave, nice PH stats. Where is the Gator or Country Strong when you need them? Pup, the stubborn ol’ coot sure knows how to handle a pitching staff, not. –Dave

MLB must review how the home run system operated as clearly all available camera angles could not have been provided.
I agree Rich that the time the current review process is taking is a joke involving multiple on field discussions before and after the matter is ultimately referred for review.
I don’t know any sport that has an effective review system left in the hands of the umpires as they soon develop ‘cold feet’ in on field decision making.
The umpire responsible has to make a decision on the spot with each team manager then having to quickly decide whether he wants to use his appeal (preferably one per game or max. two) to have the decision reviewed without any argument or comment.
I would have thought programming would be driving this more as the current amateurish display would be losing considerable audience.

Here’s the thing. Neither of the camera angles we saw in Detroit or Arlington were conclusive of anything. Last night the umpires said as much. Last week, they went ahead and reversed the call. And if the umpires are accessing this magical room at “the commissioner’s office”, it opens a whole new can of worms. If the play in question were to decide if the Yankees made the postseason, which way do you think “the commissioner’s office” would rule?
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All that aside, they don’t have the camera angles to make accurate assessments on this stuff. You’d have to have a camera aimed down both foul lines, and two more across the field to display at which point the ball went over or around the foul pole. Then you’d have to tie those views in together………..somehow. I think this thing has been slap-dashed together because of a typical knee jerk reaction by Selig to any sort of negative publicity.
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It’s a joke and the entire replay business should be laid to rest. I’d place more emphasis on umpires making joint decisions without fear of showing up a colleague. Think about your own job. If you see someone on your “crew” about to make a mistake, or in the process of making one, do you just stand around and say “it’s his call”? Hey, that would work great in the construction business, wouldn’t it? Or on a battlefield?
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–Rich

Dan and Jim said it was foul. So did the Ranger’s announcers. If you go to the Ranger site, they track the ball and it is, indeed, a foul ball. Horrible umpiring.

I agree, forget the replay. That is why we have professional umpires and referees. If you are not sure, ask for help. Being a Detroit pro sports fan, the announcers said what a bad thing if the Bears lost at home. That reply on Calvin was decided in Daly’s or the commish office 2 seconds after it happened. Just like the Yankees, cry babies. Sorry, back to baseball. I wonder what lineup the SOC will use tonight? –Dave

I watched the highlight, which has the Rangers announcers. They said “I have never seen a ball hit the 2nd deck and be fair.” I think they are on to something. As a Tigers fan I am biased, I know, but that ball was foul. Not even that close.

Well not that it matters, either in the context of the game itself or my opiniion–but I thought it was “fair enough”.
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The guy hit a beautiful HR shot and no way Bonderman deserves to get away with giving up that shot by a technicality.
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I did think the ball was fair. I thought Brandon’s last week (or so) was foul. Do I like the replay? Yes in terms of making the right call in an important situation. No, in the way this one was handled. Rich was right—it took too long and you can’t have your pitcher hung out to dry for 5 minutes like that. Also right about the camera placement..if you have a replay rule then you damn well should have a dedicated camera to make that call down each line. You could have one atop the pole as well.
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It’s all a moot point. We played poorly and deserved exactly what we got——thumped.
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We do not have a good bullpen. We do not have a good manager. We may be without the left side of our infield. We do however have 3 rookies to play outfield and 4 2nd basemen.
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I’m using Detroit games as examples because that’s the games I watch. Other than that, the replay discussion has nothing to do with the Tigers themselves. I’m talking about the accuracy of a so-called fair replay system. The fact is, the cameras in these ballparks aren’t in a position to review calls. And by using a local team’s telecast for every game and, by default, replay, baseball opens itself up to questions of integrity. I searched around and found this article. It partially explains what I’m trying to get at here.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/2010/06/04/2010-06-04_red_flags_in_mlbs_replay_future.html
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–Rich

Following on your line Rich, about how selective the feeds could be in reviews, we had a recent situation at a rugby league game where the most important camera replay was inadvertently not sent to the reviewer resulting in a try being awarded. After the decision, they then showed the ‘missing angle’ on the ground and TV coverage clearly showing the player had lost the ball – you could imagine the crowd reaction.
During rugby union reviews, TV and ground screens show the feed the reviewer is looking at which at least shows how decisions were arrived at and whether the feed may have been ‘edited or lost’.
Both rugby codes get it wrong in that the referee determines whether to have a decision reviewed and accordingly no ‘ground’ decisions end up being made on scoring plays with long delays resulting after most trys are scored.

I happened to be watching the Texas feed last night for the first few innings. That review in fact prompted me to change to the Detroit feed. The two Texas announcers both tentitively agreed it was a foul ball after watching what to me seemed like the most credible camera angle.

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But they showed another camera angle that was vague and inconclusive, and that new look gave them an excuse to reverse their opinions and support the original fair call. Of course I don’t blame them for supporting their team given that inconclusive evidence. It opened the door to doubt.
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They showed the best angle review several times and it seemed fairly clear that the ball never disappeared behind the pole as it passed by on the right. It appeared to go over the top of the pole but even that was not conclusive as there was no way to definitively see the depth of the ball’s carry. (At what point did it actually pass on right/foul side of the pole?) Anyway, I sort of agree with Dan, in that it was close enough to go either way given the random camera angle shot provided. If there is to be any serious review, cameras would have to be preset in positions to provide “real” honest review. And then there will be the inevitable problems of corruption that Rich’s article discusses.
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In this situation, considering the closeness of the call, I was OK with giving the hitter credit for launching a beautiful rainbow shot into the upper deck. They would have crushed us anyway. But I saw it as foul. Yet another one of those close calls that have hurt the Tigers this season.

The ESPN commentator for the Yankees/Rays game just said the Yankees are batting .383 with the bases loaded for the season. That’s why they virtually guaranteed to make the playoffs at this point, and we’re not.

The Yankees have also committed the least errors in the AL.

Until we get a new baseball commissioner, things will continue as they are. Marty, all I can say is I’m not OK with giving anyone credit for something they didn’t do. Like I said before, the Jim Joyce call in Detroit, would not be the same call in New York. Detroit gets disrespected all the time. When they went to play the Yankees in ’06 for the ALDS series, the game was delayed, but no one from the Yankees bothered to tell the Tigers.
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The view the umpires saw last night goes to the commissioner’s office for the final determination. Eventually, things will get ironed out. I just don’t know how much longer I can watch the horror shows that some of these umpires present us with.
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The Tigers seem to be providing us with their own horror show tonight. Let’s hope they wake up. Go Tigers!!!!

Well, they got him 2 in the first today…

What a joke of a non-strike 3 on Michael Young. Not even close and I am glad Mario and Rod made the point that it was unfair and inconsistent…Rod – “That’s a strike!”, Mario – “I guess not on Michael Young”, Rod “Peralta got called out on one like that earlier”, Mario “I guess that’s my point.” Does this excuse the homer to Murphy? No. But it may have caused a different pitch selection, or a different mental attitude by Galarraga. Really irritating.
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Why is it that the Tigers never make adjustments against guys who are hot? Murphy came in hot, kills them and yet they make no adjustments and he continues to kill them. Also, guys like Vizquel and Bloomquist hit like 2 HRs a year and they are both against the Tigers…how can this be?

Not enough support today for the GMna.
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Does anybody really think that Bonine should be on this team next year?
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Pretty much agree on the non call on Young. The thing is the guy is good enough to take advantage.
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On the DP that Inge started and we got a lucky call for the 2nd out at 1st (with Cab going off the bag).
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That was a tough DP—given the score and our ability (or lack of actually) to score many runs I wonder why Inge didn’t simply go home–the guy was dead in the water and with no out and a tight game (at the time) why go for a risky double play.

Maybe with Laird catching, he would have. AA is still learning the position, imo.

I’d take Avila over Laird right now. Better at blocking pitches and has a better arm.
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I don’t think you care much for him but I think he is going to be a good ballplayer for us.
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Geez–now Perry is getting in on the crappy bullpen act (again).
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It’s over now.

I like him, but to me, he’s still a little “raw”.

How sad that I have no interest in watching anymore this season, it just makes me bummed out. I watched for a while until the homerun followed by another homerun. GMan, can’t blame that on run support…

I find myself checking in through the game but have lost my enthusiasm for the year, as much as a fan I just can’t bear to see them play this poorly, and they have been pretty dreadful at times. Things could be worse, we could be Cleveland…

Clearwater, isn’t that the job of the pitching coach? And what about our hitting coach? Tiger Girl, I turned it off after the home run. Cabrera should have caught the throw from Avila. Inge, a 3-2 ballgame and you don’t throw home? Good riddance! I just read the play by play. Why did the SOC get ejected? I saw him yapping and I wanted to see some fire. I guess we need to score 12 runs to win in Texas. –Dave

He got ejected because a Ranger’s batter should have been struck out. Instead, the umpire said he didn’t go around when the replay shows he did. The next batter hit a HR.
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I turned it off, too, but later watched a couple interviews. That was the best part…..seeing AJ in his underwear in the background:-)

I saw that ejection. Joe’s a good manager. Good baseball people come out of that Angels organization.
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Well, it was pretty much a wasted trip to Texas. Too bad we couldn’t have taken the week off and gone straight to Chicago. I was waiting for JL to go off and he didn’t disappoint. Too many calls going against us and the only way to call attention to it is to get run out of the game. Make the umpires file a report. I think it was Dave who asked if I thought umpires were always this bad or is it replay that shows their mistakes. I can’t answer that, other than to say that with all these games being televised these days, we see more umpiring than ever before. Most of the bad calls don’t even require a replay as they can be seen in real time with the naked eye. Remember that Damon strike three in Atlanta? If I had to guess, I’d say the umpiring is worse, judging by player reactions to their calls.
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There is some discussion of Ryan Raburn. One view is that he could perform like this all the time if he played one position everyday. The opposite view is that he’s just streaky and having a hot streak. I don’t pretend to know the answer to that, but I do know that you’d have to play him daily in one position to find out. It had appeared that we’d be doing that this season until the Guillen business last October, followed by the Damon signing. Now we’re right back where we were a year ago regarding Raburn. He’s certainly a likeable guy and it would be nice to see him succeed. If he were able to hold down one position permanently, it’s one less acquisition we’d have to make. What do you guys think?
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People are already talking offseason deals, but I can wait a couple of weeks. It’s a long enough winter as it is.
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The Twins are embarrassing the White Sox in their own ballpark, and they’re playing .600 baseball. This is no longer a weak division.
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–Rich

I was referring to the Maddon ejection in my first sentence above, in response to jlew. Here we go with the strange time stamp business again. Makes it impossible to actually converse here.
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–Rich

Joe Maddon was ejected last night after disputing a HBP call which obviously wasn’t. NY gets all the calls, especially if Jeter at the plate. I can’t stand umpires.

Just a thought– an umpire gambling scheme like there was in the NBA a few years back?

I’m sure there will more to the Galarraga Saga.
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Read an article about Tigers going for Werth over Crawford.
I wouldn’t. Crawford is younger, faster and a gold glover. Werth will be frustrated with the HR distance at Comerica.
We need base runners as badly as power hitters.
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Too bad MCab didn’t still play 3rd. Much easier to find a basher who plays 1B.
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MCab has a lot of room for improvment with his glove at 1st.
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Let Inge go and give Raburn the job of playing 3rd every day.
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I think the Tigers will like to go with Sizemore over Rhymes.
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Rhymes could take Ramon’s job though.
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I’d love to have a Tulowitzki but I wonder if the Tigers will go for a streamlined Peralta? If they did they would need a guy with good range at 3rd.
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They still need a major thumper (wouldn’t Vlad look good batting behind Cab?).
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And a dominant LHP starter. The bullpen—oh yeah, that too.
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Relievers sometimes have off then on years. Maybe there is hope for Perry but it doesn’t look very positive right now.

Rich, maybe because the strike zone is so small. Try hitting a Nolan Ryan fastball at the letters. Raburn should play everyday. He proved that he can hit. A good manager has the same line up everyday. I would love to have Vlad. And for sure Crawford. We miss Maggs but look what the Twins are doing without Morneau! –Dave

I just read this article today, and i thought it was pretty interesting, especially about replay in MLB. I know a lot of you were talking about it the other day, so i thought i would share this with you guys and see what you thought. Jayson Stark polled 24 of the Managers and 18 of them said they would like to see replay get expanded to a few areas, 2 said they wouldn’t, 4 basically had no comment. I think it is pretty interesting that so many of them want it to be expanded. I personally think that it should get expanded, but it needs to be improved a lot in order for it to work. They need more cameras in the right places. Scioscia also said they should have some sort of a laser system set up for fair or foul balls, not a bad idea and apparently the Technology is out there. I am in technology myself and I can’t believe how bad the system is now. They could very easily put a camera on the foul polls and solve a lot of our recent frustrations very easily.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&page=rumblings100916

Also here is a great quote from Leyland in the article…

From Tigers manager Jim Leyland, when Rumblings asked where his team would be this year without Miguel Cabrera:

“If he wasn’t here, you’d be asking this question of somebody else, because I wouldn’t be here. It would be somebody else’s problem — because I’d be out of work.”

Dave G

Well, it just feels like the season is over. We’ll watch the remaining games hoping against hope someone’s star starts to rise. And then, we have the long, long, cold winter to suffer through til next ST. In January, I start looking to see who goes down to Florida early. I just can sense this team of ours is looking forward to the off season.
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Speaking of replay, MLB Network just showed Jeter’s great acting job last night as he agonized and was writhing in pain after being hit by a pitch. The umpire fell for it, too. MLB showed in slo mo and the ball didn’t touch him. It hit the head of the bat. That was the sound everyone heard. Still, when Brandon Inge got his shirt hit with a pitch in game 163, the umpire suddenly went blind.
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I don’t want to talk about trades or speculate either. We have so many months to talk about those things. Plus we’ll be able to watch the other teams in the playoffs and World Series. Dream about this guy or that guy and how they’d look in a Tiger uniform (Tulo, to die for) It just kills me that we did not perform up to expectations AGAIN this year. I have enjoyed watching Miguel and Austin play out of this world. We are so fortunate to have them both.

This my third attempt to post a comment. Had to shut everything down and start all over. I want to apologize to Dave for not reading the link he posted before I wrote my little ditty. Went back to read it and there was Jeter and the article talking about his acting skills. Feel like a dummy. Next time I’ll read everything in the post. I sure do like Buck Showalter’s thinking. He wants things done right. Right on, Buck!
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Rich, there was another special moment (to me, at least) at Comerica that wasn’t mentioned. It was the game in May of ’06 when the Reds came to town. It was a packed house and the Tigers were winning. Zoom went out there to do his thing and gave up a bases loaded HR to Junior. The Tigers had been leading by 3 runs until the homer and it was the final inning with 2 outs when Grandy came up to bat. That was when Grandy and Zoom rented an apartment together. The camera focused on a little girl with her fingers crossed. Grandy hit a HR to tie up the game and the crowd went crazy. They went on to win the game. But, that was the moment I really started to believe. Jim Price said “the magic is back, folks” and he was right. That was a special, special game.

I remember that game, Pup. I think a lot of people do. There were two little girls, both of ‘em cuter than a speckled pup, and they showed a replay of them watching the flight of Grandy’s homer to left.
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I just tuned in to the Sox-Twins for a moment. Hawk is crying the blues over the balls and strikes. I suppose I shouldn’t blame him, although it looked like good calls from the umpire Crawford. Ozzie somehow got away with leaving the dugout and walking to within several feet of Crawford without getting tossed. For some reason, Hawk is irritating when he complains. I guess because he doesn’t let it go, just keeps hammering at it. Like it’s the Sox against the world. Wait, I heard a homer (TV is in the other room). Put it on the board I can handle, but it’s that YES! YES! YES! thing at the end that gives me shivers. Brings up images I could do without. :-)
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Good article, Dave G. Lots of stuff in there. I’m in agreement with those who say replay can be used but it has to use all available technology. Just using the already existing “Game Mix” from local telecasts which can be found on cable or satellite doesn’t get it done. They need dedicated cameras for real replay, and I don’t think they want to spend the money for that. Perhaps when Selig is gone some things can improve.
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–Rich

I’d like to mention the unbelievable catch by AJ last night. It has been a dismal second half to watch for sure. I’m just going to try and enjoy individual plays and performances at this point and if they win it’s a bonus. AJ is inspiring to watch in CF. He literally played miles over the heads of the Texas outfielders. He showed them up in their own park. I couldn’t believe how graceful and controlled he was leaping up onto that wall, making the catch, and then having the mind presence to spin and quickly fire the ball back into the IF. He’s a smart player and just plain gifted.
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The remaining games are very important to this team and individuals as well. The Tigers have a chance to win the MVP and ROY. Might be a draw for free agent signings.
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Ryan Raburn deserves a shot to play as a regular at one position next season. Whatever that position is.
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Rich, looks like your 83-79 prediction may not be far off after all is said and done. We’re disappointed, and with good reason, but if you take away the nice run prior to the AS break, and the twilight zone we entered for 4 weeks or so after, it’s been about a .500 team. With a decent finish they could still get to 83 wins.
The Tiger’s month by month record: which, granted, oversimplifies. Dave, this is crude compared to what you compile.
April 14-10
May 12-14
June 15-12
July 11-15
Aug 13-16
Sept 7-7
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One last thought. AS much as I like Rhymes, I just didn’t get JL pinch hitting him for Sizemore who was 2-2 I think. What the heck was that? And taking Schlereth out after getting one batter out? Two brilliant moves even if they had worked.

With the exception of a 7-game and 6-game win streak, last year’s Tigers were also a .500 team. The difference is that last year they avoided long spells of bad baseball and kept losing streaks to a minimum. At least until the September series with KC and Chicago.
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I don’t know. It just seems that this team has had more talent the last two seasons than to finish around .500. I won’t even go into the 2008 season. It still comes down to sound managing. If people still want Leyland, they’d better be prepared for more .500 seasons, no matter which players we bring on board.
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–Rich

Can’t argue with that, Rich. I can hardly wait til he’s gone.

Can’t argue with that, Rich. I can hardly wait til he’s gone.

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