Carlos Guillen still sore, could be done for year

Nearly three weeks after Brett Gardner slid into Carlos Guillen’s left knee, Guillen said the soreness is just as bad as it was before, as is the pinching pain he gets when he moves around sometimes.

“Maybe worse,” he said.

It’s a bad sign, obviously, and it puts his potential return this season in question.

Though Guillen said he’s walking better than he had been, he said the knee still restricts him from doing much more than that. That basically puts him in a holding pattern right now, limiting him to basic rehab activities.

Guillen will visit with team physician Dr. Stephen Lemos in the coming days. That exam might include another MRI.

“That’ll probably be something we’ll look at as we go forward,” head athletic trainer Kevin Rand said Monday morning.

They’re not looking at his return anytime soon. And with four weeks left in the season, there’s a growing possibility that he’s done for the year. Leyland said he didn’t know whether Guillen would be back this season, and Guillen didn’t sound confident in his situation either.

“At this point right now, obviously we’ve got to get his knee to the point where he has no soreness,” Leyland said. “Once we get to that point, then we can increase his activity. But at the pace it’s going right now, we might run out of time.”

Other injury updates:

  • Armando Galarraga said his elbow issues were different than normal pitching soreness, he said he was feeling better today. He doesn’t believe he’ll miss any starts because of it once he gets some treatment on it. Still, manager Jim Leyland indicated the Tigers could make one more September call-up because of it, certainly if it lingers. Coincidentally, Andy Oliver threw a side session at Triple-A Toledo Sunday after making his last start of the season for the Mud Hens Friday.
  • Gerald Laird is still out with back issues. He’s going to get treatment Monday and Tuesday for the goal of playing Wednesday against White Sox lefty John Danks.
  • Ryan Raburn is better today after what appears to be a case of food poisoning Sunday. He fell ill just before game time and stayed that way until the problem lifted overnight.
  • Ryan Strieby underwent a CT scan Sunday and has an appointment coming up with hand specialist Dr. Thomas Graham. There’s a real possibility he could recommend another surgery on Strieby’s ailing left wrist, which has sidelined him since the end of July. If that happens, obviously, he’ll miss the Arizona Fall League for a second straight year.

28 Comments

I’ll always remember Carlos and his soft hands at short. He was pretty to watch. Then the knees, the shouldr, the hip, the ankle etc, etc. Time for management to face facts with Carlos. One year left on his contract or not–he is not going to produce defensively nor is he going to produce offensively. If they think they can make him a DH–they are barking up the wron tree. They need a DH who absolutley revels in the assignment, not one who longs for the day he can get some playing time in the field. Someone who has HR power and is not afraid to use it. Someone who’s mere presence alters the way a pitcher is pitching and a manager is managing.. To place Carlos in that position is Hope and Dream at it’s epitome.
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Sad to see some of these go but go they must.

That’s going, well, already is a problem with the 2nd base position. Carlos isn’t even traveling with the team. He wouldn’t be happy being the DH, and I agree with sb that we need a real thumper.

Sounds to me like a case heading for arthroscopic surgery.
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–Rich

Too bad Max is not a decent fielding pitcher. They might not have scored at all.
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I hope we can play good baseball these next 4 days and make life miserable for the Sox.
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It’s about time someone sat down Carlos and made him understand that he needs to accept that he can no longer play the field. Every time he does, he gets hurt. He’s kidding himself to think he can still do it. It’s either DH or retire. Those are pretty much his options at this point. He was a good shortstop, but those times are gone.

I don’t think Carlos is what we need as a DH either though.
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We need thumper in the lineup, a Dunn, a Bautista, a Gonzalez, Reynolds. Even a guy like Luke Scott.
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Boy Kelly is havin’ a day isn’t he? He has bailed out Max a couple of times in the field and at the plate. Guess he works as a #5 hitter after all! (My bad)

Good to see MCab hitting the ball hard. Couple of flyouts to right were stroked pretty good.
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We do need the offense to pick up up a couple more runs. 4-3 against the Sox in late innings will not be enough.

Coke and Perry do not strike fear in the hearts of hitters. They do in me though. AJ just about yarded one and when Perry was brought in we all knew he was due for blown save. I don’ think this guy can group 2 good games together.
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Thanks Don. Time to put in a sick replacement for you now!
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Tough break for Max today.

Great pitch by Sale to get Inge. Smart.
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When your team is hot you get the breaks. The Sox have been getting them lately–in spades.
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If JL leaves RP in we will lose the game. He’ll either walk or hit the leadoff man and then chaos will ensue.

Well I’m glad I was wrong about that!
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Be interesting to see what Leyland does here. PH for Boesch to get Sales out? I think Ozzie would still leave him in.

Can’t push Perry another inning here. Bring in Valverde and hope the top of the lineup can squeak one home for us.
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Tough assignment here for st. Pierre (I assume it will be Max coming in)

Pierczynksi is the kind of player I would love to have on my team. He is hard-nosed and wants to win more than others do.
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He is a clutch big time hitter. I just knew he would come through.

Ugghh.
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Kind of a microcosm of the season. Good starting pitching, sloop defense, lack of timnely hitting, bullpen.
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This game showed why the Sox are a 2nd place team in contention and we’re not.
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It also showed you can’t count on Perry, Valverde is inconsistent and Raburn is not an outfielder.

Ugghh.
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Kind of a microcosm of the season. Good starting pitching, sloppy defense, lack of timnely hitting, bullpen.
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This game showed why the Sox are a 2nd place team in contention and we’re not.
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It also showed you can’t count on Perry, Valverde is inconsistent and Raburn is not an outfielder.
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Kelly stays in that game and the Sox probably don’t score in the 10th.
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Leyland and his lefty right percentages again eh?

I have questions about the replay system and hopefully someone reading this can provide answers.
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First off, what do they look at? Is it the TV feed that we’re seeing or do they have cameras set up just for replay purposes. I ask this because FSN-D showed a replay of Inge’s homer twice, the same shot both times. Trouble is, that camera wasn’t lined up from homeplate and proved nothing.
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More importantly, when a ball goes over the foul pole as this one did, how do the umpires judge from a video where the ball was when it went over the pole? That’s the key, whether was it fair or foul as it left the ballpark.
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I’m not convinced they got that one right, and suspect that the original live call was the correct one.
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–Rich

Dombrowski—go out and get a real hitter. You see what the Twins and the White Sox did didn’t you?

Maybe Selig will reverse it.

The stolen base off of Perry was the kiler. It looked like he had him but Lillibridge might have gotten his hand in between.
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As a middle infielder my whole life, I always blocked the base on a steal as best I could. It often worked quite well, especially if you have a catcher who keeps the ball down and allows you to drop a knee in front. I don’t see this done very often in baseball. It’s mostly a guy trying to sweep tag and keep his feet clear. Very rarely is this called for obstruction. The key, of course, is the throw has to be on or near that bag. I was never called on that play.
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Rhymes could have restricted access to the bag. I wish he would have.

I’m getting so tired of watching reruns. Everyone on this blog can call the outcome of a Tiger game almost to the exact situation. Forgive my cynicism; I’m not only getting tired; I am tired. I will never give up on my guys, but I’m still tired!

Greg

Rich, I watched the FSD telecast as well, but it looked obviously foul. The ball never once was on the fair side of the foul pole, which is conclusive no matter what angle you are looking from. The announcers seemed surprised it was a homer originally and there didn’t seem to be much of an argument from the Tigers either.
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That said, I am not sure what camera views they have. I always assumed it was the tv feed but I could be totally wrong on that.
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We all knew Perry would blow it. OK, he doesn’t blow it EVERY time, but it is clear now that he either needs some work in the minors in high-pressure situations or simply should not be used in late innings in the big leagues. I have much more faith in Coke and I think he will be fine next year. Valverde has a sparkling history in his career and will also be fine if he is not hiding an arm injury.
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15 rookies and 10 MLB debuts this year? Is that some kind of Tigers record?

I don’t know, Rich. As soon as he hit it and they showed the ball I said it was foul. It was to the left of the foul pole.

The last 2 years has seen Carlos contribute 149 games. He provided the offense with 17 HRs and 75 RBIs while batting .257
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The year before he played in 113 games. Does anyone else here see the trend?
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Carlos is a nice guy.
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So who gets to tell him?

I went back and looked at the Chicago feed and, judging by everyone’s actions, it was obviously foul. They showed Inge nearly stop running towards first. With the view from the pressbox, I couldn’t see which side of the pole it went. I do know the replay shown was from the firstbase dugout, so that seemed useless. My bigger question was how they can call a homerun from video, high def or not. If a ball was hit above the foul pole then hooked foul, how would they know when the hook took place from that shot? I’m of the opinion that replay isn’t the easy answer many think it is.
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Yeah, this is the type of stuff that grabs my attention when the outcome of the game is a foregone conclusion or, worse still, doesn’t matter much. As Greg points out, we can predict what will happen which takes a lot of the fun out of watching a contest. We’ve got a club that needs to learn how to win games. That’s why we lose so many close ones.
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Do I understand correctly that Ryan Perry was a closer in college? He doesn’t seem to have that mentality at all.
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I’m afraid a whole lot of people will be disappointed when we come back next year with basically the same cast of characters. We’ll have the same top four starting pitchers and most likely the same infield. Same closer, and about one third of the bullpen. And the same manager and coaches. The Twins and White Sox seem to improve their clubs. We don’t.
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–Rich

Yeah, when it goes over the foul pole it seems to be a tough one to get right even with video. Probably more technology will be needed to ensure those calls are correct. Maybe in the future.
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Perry was a closer at Arizona and definitely does not pitch like one. Well, actually I think he does. He comes in cocky and arrogant and thinks he can just blow fastballs by guys or get them to chase pitches way off the plate. He may have gotten away with that in college but it seems like he hasn’t noticed big league hitters are much better than college hitters…
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Leyland and staff must go for me to be anything other than disappointed. If we sign 5 All-Stars this offseason (which I think is less likely than bringing back a similar team as Rich suggets) and win the division by 10 games next year and lose the World Series in 7 games, I will be convinced we could have won it with a different manager. That’s how little I respect Leyland these days. It seems that even the guys he is right about, Raburn, Kelly, etc. only do well when he plays them regularly, which he didn’t do the whole first half while claiming they were excellent players. Why didn’t he?

The club needs a DH. Ordonez could do the job if he was willing and enthusiastic. However, I do feel his power numbers are not good enough and they are likely (along with his BA) to diminish further.
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Some guys that could be considered are Vlad, Konerko, Dunn, Pena and Kubel.
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Kubel will get his option taken up by the Twins–he’s a good bat.
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Konerko might be available and he has had a great year but he is 34.
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Guerrero is 35 but plays younger and probably has a couple of good years left–would be a devasting #5 hitter behind MCab.
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Dunn would be the guy though. A LHB behind MCab would be very useful (as witnessed when Boesch had things figured out). He’s only 31 but the downside is if he was willing to actually DH. Apparently he can’t field though maybe Rich has an opinion on that having seen him more than we have.
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Pena is 32 and would crush the ball at Comerica where he should have never left. But he doesn’t hit much and is more capable of a .230 season than a .270 season.
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BTW–looking for an impact shortstop—Jose Reyes is a free agent and is coming off an “off” year. Probably ready for a change. I think the Mets have an option on him though.
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Get to work Dombrowski.

Dunn doesn’t want to DH, he says. However, he’s only had 77 MLB plate appearances in that role, so he can’t really know how he’d like it as a fulltime gig. Most players don’t like to DH. Adam also says that he has three slumps a year. I have nothing to compare that to because I’ve never heard a player say anything like that. As an outfielder, his nickname could be Harry Horrific. He makes as many errors as Raburn and Boesch, but doesn’t have their athleticism to run down balls. He’s passable at firstbase, but I’m not sure I’d want him there fulltime, seeing as how our pitchers require an airtight defense in the infield, although our infielders throw with good accuracy. I think Dunn wants a good contract above all else and, as a FA, would be the target of a bidding war. I’d love to have him, but I don’t see it happening. I’m sure management wants to target Guillen and/or Ordonez for the DH spot.
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Right now, I’m wondering what is the situation with Sizemore. JL says he won’t play over Inge and Rhymes (I agree) so what happens? I’ll have to say, Sizemore was already given the starting job once without first demonstrating he could do it, so maybe it doesn’t matter how much PT he gets this month.
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The fact that Scott had already broken his ankle makes the Polanco business all the more bizarre. Inexplicable would be the word. Sometimes I wonder if wins and losses is this organization’s chief goal. DD has created a club that draws fans into attendance. Maybe that’s the bottom line.
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–Rich

I just read online that Detroit is the most stressed-out city. This team, with this manager, is certainly not helping that stress at all. I am here in Illinois and I am stressed out about the Tigers. Part of it is my own fault, I guess. I retired 3 years ago and am able to follow the Tigers error by error, clutchless hitting by clutchless hitting, bad pitch by bad pitch, and mistake after mistake by Leyland. I don’t have many other hobbies and now I am totally deaf so person-to-person communication, movies, TV, and stage shows are very difficult for me. I am scheduled for a cochlear implant on September 30, hoping that will make a difference. Meanwhile, I care very much about the Tigers. I’ve been a fan since the 1950’s when Kaline made his debut and joined Harvey Kuenn among others. Every Sunday there was a double-header and you could count on Charlie Maxwell to hit a homerun. I’d like to have some of that back before it gets too late for me. So, like somebody said above, “Get to work Dombrowski.”

Aw—Ol’ Paw Paw Maxwell. I loved the guy. Especially as a kid when I lived in Chicago and thumbed my nose in the faces of the Sox (and Cub) fans with my loyalty to the Tigers. Pre ’68 when we had guys like Jake Wood and Steve Bilko and Boone and Bertoia and Bunning, Lary, Foytack, Hoeft–not to mention “The Rock” Colavito.
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To borrow a refrain from the North side of Chicago, Maybe next year!”.
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I wish you well in Illinois.

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