Wednesday: Tigers at Twins

Max St. Pierre isn’t in the startling lineup. Gerald Laird is, but other injury issues are troubling Detroit. Ryan Raburn strained his rotator cuff swinging at a Matt Capps pitch in the ninth inning last night and is day-to-day, forcing Brennan Boesch into the lineup against lefty Francisco Liriano. With Raburn out, Casper Wells gets his shot in the third spot ahead of Miguel Cabrera. 

TIGERS
  1. Jackson, CF
  2. Rhymes, 2B
  3. Wells, LF
  4. Cabrera, 1B
  5. Peralta, DH
  6. Inge, 3B
  7. Santiago, SS
  8. Boesch, RF
  9. Laird, C
P: Max Scherzer
TWINS
  1. Denard Span, CF
  2. Alexi Casilla, 2B
  3. Joe Mauer, C
  4. Michael Cuddyer, 1B
  5. Delmon Young, LF
  6. Danny Valencia, 3B
  7. Jose Morales, DH
  8. Jason Repko, RF
  9. J.J. Hardy, SS
P: Francisco Liriano

36 Comments

Rhymes is 27. He spent a whole career in the minos but still lack the fundamentals. Second bad running in a week. Last week , he was in 2nd and run to third with a ball to the SS. He also has mental errors at the field. Bad work in the minors
Boesch must calm down , he is looking like a dh

I made an observation the other day about AJ’s poor performance in late inning ABs where contact is needed.
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Well this was a clutch AB here in the 3rd with 2nd and 3rd and 1 out. The one thing we could not afford is a K. That’s predictably what we got. With Max throwing well we need his hitters to pick him up. AJ is not a “hungry” hitter. Very tentative with RISP. He simply has to fix this aspect of his game. His lack of RBIS (even as a leadoff guy) is concerning.
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Twins have a bunch of guys injured now. Hudson, Kubel, Morneau. gotta take advantage.
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Ooooh, was that fly ball ever Boesched!
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We are back to horrendous ABs in RISP situations. No clutch hitting by the vets in these situations either.
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Well we screw up on the bases twice, we don’t get clutch hits, we rely totally on the SP to win the game and then you end up giving the game away.

JL reasons for dismissal:
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Disregard for rookies when they need mentorship– and not to be thrown into the lava flow.
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Letting veterans dictate their own palying time (Sheffield, Inge, Guillen)
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Throwing Verlander in the opening game of the World Series.
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Mismanagement of his bullpen (year after year).
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Throwing Figaro down the stretch last year.
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Not getting Laird out of Game 163.
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Being a National Leageu manager and not knowing the importance of sacrifice bunts.
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Dressing down your players in the media.
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Saying one thing and doing another.
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Calling your young relief pitcher a F…… A…… in the dugout after a bases loaded walk.
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Repeating patterns of mistakes thinking they will eventually change (Law of averages?)
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Fiddling in the dugout in the 8th and 9th innings when Rome is burning.
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Not making Curtis Granderson steal bases with his speed and base running skill.
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Allowing DD to annoint Sizemore (with ankle issues to start with) as the Tigers opening day 2nd baseman.
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Not preventing DD from losing Polanco.
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Not telling DD that Dontrelle Willis couldn’t pitch a tent.
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Not doing something about acquiring a hitting coach that instructs players on how to move runners in from 3rd with less than 2 out.
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Not making JV pitch properly when he had the chance (when JV was still teachable).
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Being arrogant with media. I know they are irritating but you have to know the difference between being an SOC and an SOB).
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Theres a lot more but I am getting a bit nauseous.

Spectacular catch by Jackson. I’m having a very difficult time posting.

Pup, here is a clue. The website is being stubborn. Also, how can AJ take a called 3rd stike? Hitting coach? Have to get up early. I choose not to watch anymore. –Dave

Another Jl failure. Did not bunt with the wining run . Now he pitches with the first base empty and the losing run in second. Lend him The Book

Another Jl failure. Did not bunt with winning run on base . And now is pitching with the first base empty and the losing run on second. Lend him The Book

Watching MLB and listening to Dan and Jim. Santiago was blatantly safe at 2nd on the steal. Awful call, almost unbelievable.
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Boesch is just dreadful in key situations in particular. He is a beaten down man and Jl can be blamed for that.
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Next year let’s skip the All Star Game OK.
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Boesch, Valverde this year have been inverse to their 1st half performance. Last year was Inge. A few years ago it was Bonderman.
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BTW, JL also does not have a winning ball team. He does not have a cohesive clutch motivated team either.

Dan, that is one heck of a first draft. I can add:

Placing callups in the heart of the order;
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Valverdes’s 60 pitches with only one early mound visit;
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Constant mismanagement of the DH role – killing the offense of Sheff and Damon whilst rarely using Maggs and Carlos.
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The use of the hobbled Inge down the stretch regardless of the stats.

Here we go, poor Ryan to pitch the 10th.

Rookie mistakes cost us this one. Base-running by Boesch and Rhymes. Pop-iup bunt by Rhymes. Key strikeouts by Boesch and Avila.
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Perry in now–put this one in the books yeah!

I can’t watch. I’m out.

That’s how the rookies do it in Minnesota.
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At least AJ played a good game.
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Perry will never be successful until he starts throwing strikes.
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A wiiner is defined and again a loser is defined with yet another Minny Tiger game.
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Too many left on. When Minny gets a chance they cash in–when we get a chance (and more of them) we fold.

Well this was certianly another winnable game, but it isn’t JL’s fault or even Perry’s. It was the hitters first and foremost – many opportunities to score runs and nothing. And let me give my second nomination for idiots of the game to the freaking umpires. GOD THEY ARE AWEFUL Perry struck Valencia out but the ump screwed him over on that, while Mauer was allowed to pull in pitches that were clearly off the plate 4 and 5 inches to get them called strikes. Santiago was clearly safe at second – and please let me not forget how Young swung at a 3rd strike pitch and was ruled not to swing.
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Umpiring is horrible this year and it is making it nearly impossible for me to watch and enjoy watching games because I get so frustrated with them. I can’t even say what I want on here – I saved that for my poor spouse and cats. The only thing that makes is more miserable is having to listen to Rod and Mario not even acknowledge when there is a crap call – . All I want from them is for once to acknowledge it – for as much as I hate Hawk in Chicago at least he acknowledges crap.
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I’ve got a headache for watching this crap. I need another allstar break.

I haven’t had a lot to say lately. I’ve just read the posts. All I want to say tonight is what a shame to not get a win for what I consider to be the best steal of last year’s trading. Our top three next year will be quality starters. JV better start pitching like the ace, because Max is starting to make his own case as an ace. You knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Twins would win in the 10th. when our 1-3 guys saw four pitches in the top of the 10th. Absolutely no plate discipline/new pitcher/extra innings/Cabrera in the deep hole if you get anybody on base. But our guys see 4 pitches.

Greg

I guess I’m beyond worring about team wins because my biggest concern tonight was that Scherzer not get tagged with some stupid loss after pitching arguably the best game of the season. Great job, Max, outstanding. Best pitcher on the team.
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When Jackson reached firstbase, I thought it was good time to attempt a steal, then have Rhymes bunt. Instead we got the first pitch pop up bunt. I don’t know what it is that’s holding Austin in place, but since we’re out of the race, shouldn’t we at least TRY to run him to see how it goes? JL says Jackson has the green light but this call must have come from the dugout. Meanwhile, we get beat because CUDDYER

oops……..steals secondbase. That’s ridiculous.
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I won’t be very popular with this one, but I thought Santiago was out at second.
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–Rich

Rich, I thought Santiago was out at 2nd as well. I thought Laird should have been bunting instead he hits into a line-out doubleplay, not the first time this has happened this year in a similar situation.
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Congrats to Lakeland Flying Tigers, by the way. They won tonight 2-1 in 17 innings. Their pitchers combined to start the game throwing an amazing 13 and 1/3 innings of NO-HIT baseball! The kid Nelson has been lights out down there.
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One last thing – Brandon Douglas simply has to get a shot at 2B next year at some point. He tears up every league he plays in down on the farm, at least batting average-wise. Has anyone here seen him play at all? Why do we never hear about him? He’s hitting .360 in AA and has hit above .300 every year of his career in the minors.

Oh–I’ll have to look at that but to me after the play and replay he was clearly safe.
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OK—it’s time to say it. The reason the Tigers (let’s face it) suck, is that this BLOG is dysfunctional. How can our team win when the very best input on strategy and baseball acumen is not working properly?.
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I hope the romantic baseball story that is now revolving around Max St. Pierre is able to develop into something truly incedible. He comes up, hits a HR on the 1st pitch thrown to him, throws out the first 5 runners attempting to steal, and calls a no-hitter by Verlander.
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Hope & Dream.
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Not much different than the management we have witnessed for half a decade now.

I was wondering about that 3-15 record Rich.
It is made worse when 2 of the 3 games only came close in the 9th with the Tigs barely hanging on against Bosox and NY with VV walking a combined 9 over 98 pitches.
VV started slowly after the break but really hasn’t been the same since doubling up against the Jays.
Interesting that Coke admitted having pitched whilst having a dead arm the past month or so.

Max-a-Million – my new name for our new ace. He has been unbelievable, I was thrilled they let him pitch the ninth but knew when we couldn’t score that he would eventually come out and our pen would fold. I guess really just Perry, can’t they bring in a more mature pitcher than him at that point? He seems to struggle when stressed to say the least. Too bad Max couldn’t get a W, he deserved it. Liriano was making us look like fools, he was on I guess. At least he is a pitcher I can see why we struggle against unlike some of the other guys.

One good management decision this year was sending Max down, and he gets all the credit too for taking it to heart, working on what was needed, and coming back in amazing form. I take back anything I might have said on this blog earlier in the season!

So sad, so many fans just aching for a successful second half.

You just don’t get a better performance from a starting pitcher than we got from Max. Perry just throws straight bullets with no movement. Hit me, hit me.

One thing I meant to bring up earlier was why the Tigers didn’t go after Capps. He was with the Pirates, I think, and Minny picked him up. Great move by them.
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That tremendous catch by Jackson would have been shown over and over if we had won. Jackson is saying he’s going to really work on strength this winter and getting himself in better shape. I almost thought he ended there, was it in the 10th?, with that straight away shot to CF right against the wall.
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Couldn’t watch the after game show.

No, he was with the Pirates, I think, then went to the Nationals and Minny picked him up. We have no one at this point who can set up for us, let alone close.

Yeah, Capps was with the Nationals. He’s not a lockdown closer but he’s better than much of our pen. The Twins traded their catching prospect, Wilson Ramos, I think is the last name. The Nats needed a young catcher since Pudge is becoming ancient. I doubt we had anything that the Nationals would want. When you have a good minor league system, you can turn deals like that.
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I do have some trading chips in mind but most people would scream bloody murder if I mentioned names.
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Dave, I actually didn’t count the Boston game as a close win because we rolled to an easy 6-1 lead that night before the Leyland/Valverde show. I did count the win in New York.
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–Rich

One last comment ( I lost 2 others tonight because of the BLOG not working)–I expressed my opinion about Bobby Seay being traded last year. Before the arm trouble. It was clear to me when he failed more than half the time at getting LHB out that he was a guy pitching on reputation. We had a chance to get something for him but mgmt had already deluded themselves into thinking he was a premier LHP.
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We learned late about Robertson and Willis. Same thing for Bonderman—he is destined to be an average pitcher in the very most positive of scenarios. Time to cut him loose if you can get anything for him. Actually that time was earlier in the season.
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Guillen, Santiago, Inge, Bonderman, Laird, Thomas, Bonine, Miner, Figaro, are all below average or over the hill. Tell it like it is. Get something for them or suffer the consequences.
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Ordonez should stay only if he is EXCITED about DHing on a permanaent basis. GMan would make very good trade bait. Raburn could be packaged with a guy like Valverde (who will never repeat his early season performance again).
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With the salary level going significantly down next year it is a great time to creatively improve this team. Two relatively under 30 impact players could make a big difference to the team.
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It is a travesty to surround MCab with mediocrity. This is guy who should be cranking his game up to spectacular heights at this time of the season instead of becoming ordinary and under-productive. He’s losing his edge and that can happen when the team is going nowhwere.

Inge, Raburn, Avila and Laird (almost) have more K’s than base hits.You put 3 of those guys in the same game and you have some serious base movment issues.

Dan, regarding your Migggy comments, I feel so bad for the guy. To be stuck on this team where there seems to be zero resolve to win a game (excluding SP for the most part). Can’t help but think he would do well in a Twins uniform (but, they can’t have him). I was one that automatically disliked the Twins (division rival thing), but have come to admire them as an organization. I will have a heart attack if the horrid Sox take the division.

I prefer the Twins too. I like Morneau (a fellow Canuck) and Mauer and really like the way the team is managed and coached. Delmon Young is a very interesting offesnive player who seems to reserve his clutch hitting for the clutchest of times and, of course, when they play the Tigers. Span plays the game well too. When you can support the M&M boys with a cast of characters that include Kubel, Cuddyer and Thome you are bound to have a pretty decant ball club.
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The Sox impress me as a team that has absorbed some of the abrasiveness of their GM and manager. They have an obnoxiousness about them that even permeates the broadcast booth.
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I hope Miggy is able to loosen up and murder the ball the rest of the way. A batting championship for him would make him an even better player next year. He is “off” right now and he usually comes out of it with vengeance. It would have been sensible to find a good #5 hitter to support him as well as to provide some semblance of an effective middle of the lineup.
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Boesch may yet be that guy but to force the issue like JL has done is ludicrous. To hope that Carlos Guillen could supply that punch was wishful thinking. They need an established power hitter. Period.
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They really should consider bringing in the fence in Left-Centre a bit too. One can argue it’s the same for everybody but we do play half our games there and that expanse is causing some of our players to lose their offensive momentum when they come back home. A guy can come back lose a couple of doubles or homers and start slumping. We’ve seen it happen too often.
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I think I forgot one of “criticisms” of JL in a previous post. His mis-use and abuse of Omar Infante is also notable.
The thing that really turned my opinion against him though was not starting the best pitcher in the world, (at the time) Kenny Rogers, in that 1st game against the Cards. I knew then that we had a skipper who was not as logical as his chronological age seemed to suggest. A guy who finds it more important to implement his “idea” than it is to use sound baseball judgement.

Make me scream, Rich, make me scream…with your trade chip ideas.
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You’ll all hate me, but I kinda like the Sox. Kinda like the bad boys of MLB. KW, imo, is a good GM. That doesn’t mean I like bad boys all the time. I’d take Ozzie over JL as a manager, like him or not.
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Omar was mentored by Carlos. Bet he’s getting a chuckle over his “student”. Detroit never had confidence in Omar, but they have confidence in BB. Dream on.

Ah yes, Omar Infante sits while Neifi Perez starts everyday. Such memories. I’m not sure if that started it for me, but I do remember being very down on JL as the 2006 season progressed. It took awhile to figure him out, and I wasn’t happy with what he figured out to be.
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Speaking of the Twins and their acquisitions, how about Jim Thome? We in Detroit tend to look down our noses at the Thomes and Juan Pierres, then those kind of players go and help other teams. I suppose our reasoning for not wanting Thome was “we already have too many DH-types.” The rub there is that Thome IS a DH, not a type, and he’s a darned good one. 18 homers and a .266 BA beats most of the guys on our team. And he wouldn’t have been beating us up. He also would have brought the same veteran leadership that we pay Damon for.
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I have trouble looking forward to the offseason with our millions of dollars to spend. Millions of dollars won’t buy good judgement from management.
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–Rich

Pup, your first sentence there………..don’t leave me openings like that. I already own a t-shirt that has “that’s what she said” on the front. :-)
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–Rich

Valverde has an excellent track record prior to coming to Detroit. Did Leyland destroy him physically by using him for 60 pitches? If not, he will be fine next year. Even now he is not much less effective when we need him than Rodney or Jones were.
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JL thinks Peralta is an All-Star. Listen, he knows he is playing for a contract. Which I suppose he would be next year as well. But he’s no star.

This is why I love MLB Network. They just did an interview with Grandy. So far, Bud Selig does not seem to be in charge of this network. The former players/broadcasters tell it like it is pretty much unvarnished. Got a question about a call, they will show it over and over and show who made the correct call. They are not afraid of criticizing the unpires either. Let’s hope it stays this way. Everyone gets scrutinized without tippy-toeing around everything.

As you all keep remembering the past painfull SOC moves, I am saving them and will come up with a “Best of SOC” in a day or so.
Already close to a double album LP, in keeping with his (and my) age.

Holding Kenny Rogers back for a WS game six that was never played, so Kenny could “feed off the home crowd.” Kenny was nearly 40, had won 17 games, and didn’t need any feeding.
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Playing a crippled Inge everyday while using the 3rdbaseman DD acquired (Huff) as a fulltime DH. Huff’s .189 BA did as much as anything to cost us the division.
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Putting Craig Monroe and Marcus Thames in the 2-hole because his buddy LaRussa did it.
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Resting hot hitters.
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Waiting till the game was gone before lifting a starter who clearly didn’t have it that night.
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Shooting himself in the foot with L-R matchups.
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Ignoring valid stats when it wasn’t in agreement with his “gut.”
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Throwing Porcello under the bus.
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Throwing Galarraga under the bus.
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Playing favorites!
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I’ve got more, but I’ve run out of time.
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–Rich

Oh, that number one and number two are both some of my #1 peeves. The WS and KR thing killed me. Losing the division title after 4 losses to KC at home on the last day also killed me.

There just is too much pain associated with SOC. We know it’s hopeless when he’s here. We really need a new manager. That’s how I feel. He needs to retire.

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