Thursday: Tigers at Blue Jays

I’m actually off of this series (just a few days off, back on for Minnesota leg of trip), so no news updates. But here’s the lineup the Tigers will throw at Jays lefty Ricky Romero:

TIGERS
  1. Jackson, CF
  2. Santiago, 2B
  3. Damon, DH
  4. Cabrera, 1B
  5. Raburn, LF
  6. Peralta, SS
  7. Inge, 3B
  8. Wells, RF
  9. Laird, C
P: Max Scherzer

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Wells in LF and Laird behind the plate. This ought to be an adventure. Man, we are playing some tough teams.

Wells in RF, Raburn in LF. It will probably be more than an adventure.

Whoever is playing wherever, I hope they hit like they did in the first 5 home games and not like yesterday. I believe the hitting gave the starting pitching more confidence in throwing strikes. When there is no hitting from the Tigers, the pitchers are under much greater pressure. As far as Casper Wells goes, this is his chance to prove he may have a place with the Tigers in 2011. Otherwise the team will stick with Damon, Guillen and Ordonez for sure.
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What’s this I hear about the Tigers putting in a claim on Manny Ramirez?

Came out of the gate from the get-go. Nice game to see from our Tigers.

Great game. I really thought it would be closer and Romero would pitch a better game. One of the few times I’ve seen a starter depart with more balls than strikes 51-47. With Cabrera in a bit of a hitting pause, it’s good to see someone else pick up the slack- Peralta and Laird.
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Where is this Manny Ramirez thing at now?

I’m not picking up anything on the Tigers and Manny Ramirez. ???
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I don’t know what the definition of an ace is, but I do know that Scherzer is our best pitcher. He uses all of his pitches, isn’t stubborn, and takes a cerebral approach to his craft which, coupled with his physical skills, makes him one scary dude.
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Max and Verlander, along with Galarraga, should be in line to pitch in Minnesota. A good goal is to be within seven games by the start of that series, but that’s asking a lot. We can do ourselves a lot of good merely by putting pressure on the two teams in front of us.
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A good deal of JL’s dumb answers stem from dumb questions from Trevor Thompson. For the life of me, I don’t know how I’d answer that garbage either. “How does it feel to blah blah blah?” “Well Trevor, it feels like a burning in my soul, an itch you can’t scratch. It feels like your first kiss, your first time driving solo. It feels like a thousand stars shining in your face as you lie on your back in a field of wheat.” I mean, come on.
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Homeruns sure make up for a lot of things, don’t they?
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Damon did well tonight. All he has to do in that 3-hole is get on firstbase. That’s all.
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–Rich

Scherzer whip is higher than Verlander´s and just moved below Galarraga

So his WHIP is higher than Verlander’s. Does that mean he’s worse? His ERA is lower. Does that mean he’s better? He has an ERA below 2.00 since the All-Star break. He doesn’t get the Tigers behind in every start so that the pressure is on them. He doesn’t get flustered after walking someone on a bad call and groove the next pitch, like Verlander and Bonderman do often. There is a case that he IS the Tigers best pitcher. He’s certainly better than any other Tigers starter but Verlander. One knock would be that usually doesn’t pitch all that late into games.

I said it before and I will say it again. Rod Allen talking about Bautista’s toe tap. It isn’t just a toe tap. I will never believe. He is just taking something they either aren’t testing for or there is a new masking agent. Half of his lifetime homers coming this year??? YA WHATEVER. GOOD drugs in Canada EH?!?!?

I am not sure what JL is thinking? He must be afraid to get men on 2nd & 3rd with Miggy coming up after Damon. 1st & 2nd, no out and Rhymes up and you don’t bunt? When runs are at a premium?
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Give your head a shake Leyland.

Jim can put together a better lineup than this one. We’ve seen this before.

Good thing he didn’t have Rhymes bunt there – it was much better having Damon hit into a double play and destroy it. Great baseball minds there.

Back to poor clutch hitting tonight. We might get lucky but Toronto knows how to protect a lead.
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2-0 fastball to Lind was crushed.

They are starting to hit JV’s fastbal now. Hopefully we can get lucky and squeak this one away from the Jays.

One run on 10 hits. Can’t catch a break.

PATHETIC – how many times have we said that this year. Runners in scoring position constantly and nothing. CAN ANYONE ON THIS TEAM HIT WITH RUNNERS ON?????

The right guys are coming up. Still hope.

Well if we can’t score AJ from 3rd we deserve to lose this one.

Well now we are down to Damon.
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I hate to be crabby but this guy has sucked in this situation all year.
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Surprise, surprise.
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Let’s get another in here.

Thank you JD. Santiago can’t catch a break but we’re tied. Justin is off the hook for the loss, which is as it should be.

We shouldn’t have to go through this. Could have won it over and over….still can.

If the Tigers’ fiendish plot is to drive us all crazy, they’re succeeding beyond their wildest dreams. It would be one thing if this was a solitary event, but it happens over and over. These guys can’t get a run home. They can’t carry out the most basic of baseball tasks.
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I don’t know why we don’t bunt when bunts are called for. Sure, it seems futile when you think they won’t drive the run home anyway, but you can’t operate under that mindset. You have to play the game properly. We push the envelope against Cleveland and KC, so why not against other foes?
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Any reason why Inge has been in the big leagues nearly ten years and can’t bunt? He makes one half-a…hearted try and then they call it off so he can pop up again. Other than the occasional and unexpected big hit, he’s bringing nothing to the table offensively. And not to single him out, either. This is nowhere close to being a good team.
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We’re going to have to get some longball hitters, at least two and maybe more. Without homers, we don’t score enough to win. Forget who should stay or go, just pick up some guys who can give us quick runs. A homer with a runner on firstbase doesn’t require hitting with RISP but it gives you two runs. The Sox and Twins do it.
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I’m afraid this is going to take years to gather a team as good as the 2007 squad. I didn’t mis-key, I think that team was better than the 2006 outfit. That club had some serious pop. Just couldn’t beat Cleveland head to head.
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–Rich

It’s maddening. I mean, let’s give Dombrowski some slack here regarding Damon. He came into this season with excellent numbers with runners in scoring position or bases loaded. EXCELLENT. This year he is absolutely terrible in those situations. So, even intentionally getting a guy who is good at this seems to backfire. Why? Well, for one, the managing. Putting players in tough situations like not bunting when you should. Bunting puts Damon up with the pitcher knowing that he will HAVE to face Cabrera with runners on base. It affects how Damon is pitched to. It allows Cabrera a chance, even with 2 outs, to plate two runs with a single. The payoffs for bunting are humongous. The risks are absolutely nil. What’s the worst thing that can happen? Rhymes bunts into a double play? How likely is that? He would more likely hit into one swinging away. He strikes out? Since he stirkes out very, very few times so far, I am more than comfortable letting him try to bunt again with 1 strike on him.
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Rich, I agree, 2007 was a better team. Had Sheff not gotten hurt we may have had a title. These guys are just terrible situational hitters, but Laird was better than this before he came here, so was Damon. What happened once they got here and why can’t Lloyd fix it? Why can’t he help anyone else? WHy does he have a job? Why will we be forced to ask these questions for at least another year?

I shut if off right before the end. We had too many chances and couldn’t capitalize. I hated the lineup first off as many of you know I have advocated for Boesch to be lower in the lineup over and over and not playing every game. That ticked me off. Didn’t like Wells out there either. This Toronto team is in 3rd plase in the eastern division. They are real ballers in an extremely difficult division. Why can’t you put your best lineup out there, Jim? It makes me crazy. Again, constantly going for the long ball or base hits. No creativity from JImbo. I can’t stand it.

Last night’s starter, Marcum, holds LH hitters to a .182 average while RHers hit .300 against him. So what does Leyland do? Put five LHers in the lineup. Puts Boesch 5th and doesn’t start his hottest hitter, Raburn. JL will sometimes quote some stats only if it backs up what he already intended on doing. If the stats don’t back up his preconceived notion, he ignores them.
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Quite often it appears that JL is managing with a goal other than winning ballgames. Or as Rod said last night, “he goes against the grain.” I think Rod meant that as a compliment but it makes me think of someone driving on the wrong side of a divided highway.
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And the fact still remains that we need a sharper and more modern manager before any success will be had, regardless of what players we acquire.
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–Rich

Yes, it’s difficult to watch him mismanage games. Those of us who are long-time Tiger fans and watch the games nearly every day can easily see the mistakes Jim makes with this team.
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Thankfully, I’ll be working this afternoon, but will check in at lunchtime. Jim already said Jackson will sit today. Maybe he’ll rest his other hitters, too. Jim has conceded the season before the players and fans have. He’s just looking at the rookies for next year.

The no bunt with Rhymes early on and men on 1st & 2nd with NOBODY out was unforgivable. That is a gimmee. And it always carries the added chance that Rhymes puts down a beauty and causes the defense to make a mistake.
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Classic case for the expulsion of our manager. And this is no “one off” as we have seen this managerial behaviour from him for a long time now.
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It really is hight time for new blood in the dugout. Some youth, some relevance, some energy and some vision..
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The people of Detroit in our bunred out buildings and skeletal Chevrolet’s deserve better!

Popped in for lunch. Oh, lord have mercy. Back to work.

Someone must tell Rhymes the fundamentals of the game

Boy was that ever ugly. Rhymes should hae been more cautious on the bad bunt. At least JL called for a bunt but in reality it’s not totally necessary with a non-force situation and the runner already in scoring position but at least it shows he’s thinking about it.
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Given the results we may not see a bunt again in Toronto though!
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JL seems to like to give away games in September with Figaro. Anyone remember the stretch drive start he got last year!!!!

BP for the Jays today.

Morrow looks like he is gonna have Tiger for lunch today.
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We’re overmatched here today, for sure.

Boesch is Loesched.
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Keep batting him 5th JL. I know the idea is to hone is character and either destroy him or make him into Ted Williams. Good luck with that strategy.

Kinda makes you wonder what might have happened if Inge had taken ball 4.
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Nice hitting by Wells.

Why can’t Inge take a walk there? Avila too, for that matter. Alex had bases loaded and a 3-0 count. The guy had to come in for him on three straight pitches. 3-1 isn’t the end of the AB.
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So JL bunts in the first inning like we clammor for and the guys manage to butcher it totally. Just dandy.
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Somehow, JL and Trevor managed to turn Figaro’s performance into “pretty good.” 5 innings, 8 hits, 5 earned runs, 2 BB and 1 K. There’s no “pretty” or “good” in that. This is a guy who’s 26 and been in the minors for six years. All we’ve had down there is career minor leaguers. Who knew? What a disappointment this has been to find out.
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Dan, remember how we wanted to make Raburn a starting 2ndbaseman or 3rd baseman? I still do. When he plays full time, he hits.
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Somehow, we’ve gone from being a WS team to the 9th or 10th best team in the 14-team AL. What happened?
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–Rich

Before leaving for work this am, the lineup had been posted and the ‘ol sick feeling started. Boesch in the 5 spot told me all I needed to know. Guys are not being put in situations where they can excel and perform to the peak of their ability and win games. We have talented players. Jim just doesn’t know what to do with them.
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Oh, I am just livid! The man has issues that, frankly, appear to be playing out with our team. They can’t win with Jim Leland. I truly believe that and I may be completely wrong..

It is right to to be livid with Leyland.
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The guy is stubborn to a fault and this manifests itself in his game strategy and in his interpersonal relations with his players.
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To continually bat Boesch 5th is insane. The amount of pressure being heaped upon the kid to perform batting after MCab is enormous and will erode his confidence to a tipping point.
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This guy is toying with OUR team! The sooner Illitch realizes this the better.
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I’m sure JL is a stalwart individual, a good father and a hoot at a party, but he is a dinosaur unable to outrun the icy past that threatens his extinction.

I am a bit disturbed by the attitude of management. They foster the idea that the club isn’t out of it so they can keep fans in the seats yet they have paciflied quietly in letting the ChiSox get Ramirez. I can’t stand Ramirez but I can’t stand the Sox even more. We were in a position to prevent this and actually show the fans that management is dead serious about winnng this year (and protecting MCab, which goes hand-in-hand). Instead we have gift-wrapped Manny for the enemy.

We actually have a guy who’s hitting and a candidate for ROY. Austin Jackson sits yesterday. Last year when Magglio finally got hot, he got sat, too.

No one could help us now. Jim has conceded the season.

Prediction: Rhymes is now in JL’s doghouse having failed in the hit and run the other night and gotten caught in the dp with Santiago’s terrible bunt, JL will pinch hit for him at the first opportunity despite the fact that he is one of the few actually hitting. Once the September call-ups arrive, Rhymes will be benched for good and they’ll either trade him or leave him in the minors next spring. JL holds a grudge!
In my opinion Rhymes is the only one in the system that comes close to replacing Polanco. I hope my prediction is proven false.
JWA

I’d like to see Oliver get another couple of starts this year.
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Jacob Turner is on the 40 man roster. Wouldn’t that be a treat for the young man!
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Sizemore will get the nod to come back on the 1st—the question is where will they play him? I sure hope they don’t try to “Frankenstein” him at the hot corner.
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Ni must be injured–so we likely won’t see him back.
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I think they have probably given up on Dlugach. Though they might want to showcase his size as a shortstop. Interesting that Ciriaco is on the 40 man roster. Also it seems an oversight that there is not a 3rd catcher on the 40 man roster. Weird.
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No point in Sborz or Weinhardt. They are throw-ins.
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There won’t be a lot of call-ups.
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BB is batting 7th today and DHing. No Damon. Avila behind the plate against the southpaw. Wells in RF, batting after BB.

I figure AJ has to hit about .270-2.75 the rest of the way to collect enough hits to bat .300
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That would be neat.
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What a performance by Ricky P. Raburn is auditioning for a regular job next year. 3B is my preference.
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Wells hit the ball very well(s) all day and yesterday. Just missed a dinger down the foul line too.
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With the exception of Figaro’s emergency start yesterday, we’ve gone twice through the rotation with excellent starting pitching. Our 7-3 mark over the last ten should have been 9-1. It’s the difference between a good spell and a team on a roll. Also the difference in how much impact the Minnesota series would have, or could have had.
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Raburn was thought to be a starter this season before the Guillen business and the Damon signing. As it is, we may have wasted Ryan’s season. He appears to be a guy who can fit nicely into a lineup featuring a couple more good hitters. His advantage in the offseason is that he can play whatever position we couldn’t fill, although I like the 3rdbase idea too. Or 2ndbase, as the case may be.
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Including his hit today, Boesch is hitting .154 in the 2nd half. I can’t see playing anyone on an everyday basis with those numbers, much less a rookie. This has been a travesty.
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I deliberately chose the Toronto feed today, having become tired of FSN-Detroit’s constant sugarcoating of everything. And it was here that I got an answer from JL on the Boesch business. According to Buck Martinez, JL said “rookies have their ups and downs.” Take from that what you will. At the very least, it was more than I get from the interviews by Trevor and company, but still not much of an answer as to why JL is killing the kid.
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–Rich

Good win today. The hitting finally got to Rezcepynski (sp).
Before the game was clinched, there were again several times when JL passed up chances to move runners. 3rd inning, none out, Avila on 1st, no bunt from Ajax, one out, Rhymes forces Avila at 2nd when he could have been on 3rd base. 4th inning, 2 out, Inge on 1st base, Wells singles, Inge to 2nd. Why isn’t he running on contact to get to 3rd base.? 6th inning, none out, 2 runners on, does Inge bunt?
No, he fouls out. Isn’t it JL’s job to get those runners moving? Correct me if I am wrong, please.

The Detroit Tiger’s organization is starting to have the feel of a corporation that can do anything they want and not be accountable to anyone, and they still get their money. I thought Dave made a big mistake caving in to JL last year when he kicked up a fuss about not being signed to another contract. Many fans wanted him to make a decision at the end of the season to see if there would be another 2nd half swoon. But, no, DD signs him early and we watched our team make a historical swoon. It makes me mad that Mr. Ilitch thinks this is the best we can do.

Illinoifan, some of these guys don’t know how to lay down a bunt. I think we should play for the single run much more often, yes, but it depends on who’s at the plate. Speaking of Inge, I notice he’s gone back to his old, non-productive batting stance. Why has he gone away from what worked so well for him in the first half of 2009? You know, the All-Star batting stance? The one that Lloyd helped him with over the winter of 2008/09?
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I see that the subject of Jim Leyland managing this club beyond eternity has arisen again. The thing that gets me is fans and/or writers who demand that we name names of potential replacements. I don’t think that should be a prerequisite for calling for a new manager, although I’ve named two off the top of my head. It appears, rather, that there are those who believe that Jim Leyland is the only man who can manage the Detroit Tigers. That’s an absurd notion.
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If we do keep the ol’ coot around, we’ll have to build the type of club that he can manage. That means getting some sluggers this offseason. Personally, I can’t bear the thought of him managing our younger players as they come up. JL has indicated today that he thinks Boesch will hit a 3-run homer at any time, so that would be his reasoning for burying this kid in a .154 performance for the second half of the season. And his .214 OBP. No, we’ll need more developed veteran ballplayers who don’t need to listen to his nonsense, such as Ordonez and Cabrera.
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Remember, you can’t get rid of Lamont or McLendon without getting rid of Leyland.
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And for those who say it’s actually Dombrowski’s fault, who do you think we’re talking to when we call for a new manager and staff? Of course it’s his fault. Which is the biggest mistake? a) Jurrjens for Renteria, b) not offering arbitration to Polanco, or c) retaining Jim Leyland? Polls are open.
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–Rich

“a dinosaur unable to outrun the icy past that threatens his extinction”….honestly Dan, that’s what keeps me returning to this blog site. Creative stuff. As Banyon (sp) said on Seinfeld, “that’s gold Jerry,….gold”.
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I remember almost everyone here wanted Raburn gone early this season. He wasn’t hitting and worse, he would often look just awful in the OF. It was like his glove was made out of raw hide dog chews or something. It seems Ryan is a slow starter but a very strong finisher. Maybe if Tiger management would just let him play full time starting the first game after the All Star break. Seriously, I think if he played every day, he could post some pretty good numbers. He could be a 25 HR, 80 RBI, and .280 type hitter given the chance. I agree Rich, 2nd or 3rd would work.
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I like Rhymes too Atkinson. To me he has earned the chance and imo has leap frogged over both Sizemore and Worth, neither of whom impressed me all that much. Rhymes is a spark plug, and together with Jackson adds the dimension of speed to this team. He handles himself well in the field. There’s an interesting aspect to how he plays the game. It’s not cookie cutter.
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I’m relieved the Tigers did not pick up Ramirez. You thought Shef was a negative influence?…… I’m not happy the White Sox picked him up but with 31 games remaining, he is not the answer.
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Our pitching is coming around now. SP will most influence the final team record this year. A strong finish could land us 10 games over 500. That won’t be enough, but still refuse to give up hope. The Twins need to cave for us to have a chance.

Hmmmm, (scritch scratch)…..that’s a tough one Rich. I knew I shoulda studied for this test…………

Easy!

c, b, a

Yup. I agree. The answer is d) all of the above.
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So I went to two games this weekend. Of course, they were the Friday and Saturday games. Maybe, I should have just stayed away. I, obviously, didnt bring them any luck. I am now 0-4 in the last two years in Toronto.
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JV was amazing on Friday but for the two dingers. But his hitters hung him out to dry with the missed chances over and over again.
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Saturday was a disaster from the start. The foam hadn’t settled on my beer before I saw the most ridiculous double play I have ever seen and a AAA pitcher that had us buried 3-0 4 batters into the game. I am a Ramon backer but that was one of the worst performances I have seen anybody have at the plate (except for BB, which is now happening about once every 3 games). Keeping playing him though JL, eventually that square peg will fit. It seemed like every out Toronto got was a K and when I checked the box score at home, I wasnt far off. 15 Ks. Gimme a break.
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Oh well, I have to wait until next year when they come through Toronto again. I hope there is a new manager by then, but I wont hold my breath.
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– Bob

Well – we decided to be spontaneous and around 10:00 on Saturday night we decided we were going to get up in the morning and drive to Toronto to see the game. To say the least it was a fun game to see with all the hitting. We actually had really good seats right by the third base dugout. I dvr’d the game and we watched it back we were on tv all the time when there was a right handed batter. Lone Tiger’s fans in a sea of Jays. They were all really nice and we were about 5 rows back. Roger’s Centre was not nearly as junky as I thought it would be – not bad. It was very hard to judge balls there and were they were going. Like Miguels double in the first I thought was a homer, and Casper Well’s double everyone in our section thought it was a homer. I don’t know if it was that retractable and shadows, but boy I felt stupid. Anyway good time had by all till we got to the border and that took 30 minutes to get through. Of course we got in the line that took the longest – five cars were getting through in other lanes compared to one in ours. There were only 7 cars ahead of us and it took about 40 minutes and we literally did not move an inch for 20 minutes.

GO TIGERS
GK

The Tigers are a better team with Rhymes at 2B than they are with Guillen at 2B. He is on base a lot, puts pressure on the defense, and makes at least a third more plays than Guillen ever dreamed of getting to. Guillen is like the DE in football who gets a dozen sacks, but gives up the corner all game every game. The announcers call him great, but he is hurting the team way more than he is helping it. See Mark Gastineau. Rhymes makes the plays that give the pitchers confidence to make the pitch they need to make. With Guillen at 2B, the pitchers have to strike out the side to get out of the inning. That difference is a huge part of winning baseball. The Tigers need to get more “baseball” players if we are going to be a better than .500 team. Nobody wins consistently collecting DHs like Detroit has been doing. This is NOT Fantasy baseball, they DO have to play defense here.

They are just a way better team when they play Rhymes and Peralta up the middle. At this point for Guillen, “Did” does not equal “Does”. Use Guillen , Inge, Willis, and Ordonez money to get a 3B, an everyday catcher, and an outfield bat. Quit wasting so much time and money chasing “Glam” players, and the Tigers will be way better off. Let’s not be the American League version of the Mets again next season.

GK, I saw an orange Tigers cap with orange t-shirt next to a blue Tigers cap. Was that your group?
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I had similar seats last year in Baltimore and also got a lot of face time. My wife, of course, starred on Tigers Live Pregame in Cleveland back in 2007. We got Keating good.
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–Rich

Ya Rich that was us!

I can’t help but mention “country strong” tearing it up in NY. It couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. It was suggested early on that Marcus was only on the team to keep Grandy comfortable. Bet they’ve changed their tune on that one. He is hitting them a country mile.

I caught a couple of innings of the Braves vs. Mets game early last night, saw Jurrjens strikeout Hessman on (3) heaters. Jurrjens has looked good on and off, Hessman was batting .190 and it was good to see a couple of former Tigers at work.

Jim

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