Rodney wanted one more inning

Before anyone second-guesses Jim Leyland on his decision to send closer Fernando Rodney back out for the 12th inning after he entered for the final two outs of the ninth, keep this in mind: Rodney called it.

He told his manager he wanted to go back out.

“He said he wanted one more,” manager Jim Leyland said, “so I had to give it to him. He’s a horse. I don’t have any problem with that.”

Rodney was at 36 pitches entering the 12th, already one off his season high. But it was also a must-win situation, and he felt like he had it in his arm.

“I’ve never seen something like that,” Rodney said of that game. “I feel ready to go. I say one more.”

Rodney’s 48th and final pitch hit 95 mph.

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Of course he wanted one more inning, who wouldn’t? Would anyone actually say “he coach, I think I am done”? Not that I think we lost because Rodney was out there, we had multiple chances, but I was surprised to see him take the field when we had not really exhausted the pen like the Twinkies did – we could have gone through 3 pitchers that inning if need be. Heck, I bet Verlander wanted a shot at an inning.

“He’s a horse. I don’t have any problem with that.” You know who else is a horse? Justin Verlander. He has no problem blowing out the closer’s arm for what might have been the entire series with the Yankees, but he can’t pitch Justin Verlander on short rest Saturday.

Who is the manager of this team anyway? I’m not second guessing nor did I first guess the decision to send out Rodney again. I’m just saying that’s not a very good reason being given here. It falls in line with Inge deciding whether he plays even though his knees obviously damaged his play to a huge extent over the second half. And I agree that once that game got into extra innings, you have to start thinking of which starters may be available. Verlander does come to mind. Wasn’t that his day for a side session anyway?
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It was a long, frustrating, and agonizing game to watch. Mistakes were made on both sides and there were several blown calls by umpires, some of which haven’t been mentioned. While everyone is basking in the glow of having played such a classic game, the end result is we blew it. Again. No losers in a game like that? Ha. The entire state of Michigan lost. I couldn’t even get my on-line hotel reservation canceled until this morning and I assume that was because of a large amount of cancellations taking place after the game ended.
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It was a long and agonizing season, played out under a cloud of fear that the club would blow it. In the end, those fears turned out to be well founded. We not only blew it, we choked. How is this fan base supposed to ever believe in the current Tigers team again?
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–Rich

some of you cried until you got raburn in the biggest game and he choked on defense once again. you will say he made up for that with the throw home. he was suppose to he creaated the mess. laird should have never hit in the 12th with thames and avilia available. defense or no defense you needed runs to win that latein the game. leyland should be fired today for this debacle all of this fall on his shoulders the decisions he made all season not alone in this game. with 7 pitchers left rodney should have never seen another inning. hasn’t pitched that many all year. fans should demand leyland be fired and not buy tickets until this happen. leyland got outcoached last night and that was the difference in this game. twins used 20 players or more and lelyand didn’t use enough.

rich your comments all year have been right own cue except wanting raburn in the game. sportcenter catches should be left to gifted athletes and not medicore ones.

Rich,
That is a good way to leave it. I woke up this morning and it felt like a burden had been lifted. That sounds ridiculous, doesn’t it? It is too bad the Marlins didn’t fire Fredi Gonzalez. That would have been a move from Dombrowski I would have liked. Let all the people call me a Leyland basher, but I think you could archive me not liking this man from the day he was hired. BTW, I think our seats were pretty close for Sunday nights game, Rich. I would have liked to say Hi. Is it February yet?

Well, I like you MrFarms almost felt like a weight had been lifted off of me. I have put so much time and energy into these Tigers and for months thinking they were going to blow it, then to feeling confident after the Tampa series, to agonizing, then feeling confident after we played the Twins last week. Who blows a 3 game lead with 4 to go right?? Unprecedented right??? Well they finally found a way to blow it.
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They had plenty of opportunity to pile on yesterday and just couldn’t do it, Raburn tries to be heroic and probably winds up costing us a win at that point. But that being said there was a lot of opportunity to win that game earlier on. Porcello didn’t fold under the pressure in fact he excelled. Magglio and Miggs were on yesterday. There are all these coulda shoulda wouldas that this team and every team must think about after the season is over.
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Wow I cannot believe it is over.

leyland need to be examine for mental illness, every time he takes maggs out his turn at bats come backs up at a huge time. if he’s good enough to play 7 innings surely he can play 9. only one should have been replaced is raburn. or maybe in the late innings lamont should replace leyland in making decisions.

what will happen is leyland will be back and mcclendon will be the scapegoat for all of this. leyland the old hag will get a pat on the back about a good job he did. dumbroski should shoulder some of this also. people cried for trades for lefthanded bat and huff didn’t hit over 200 for the tigers.

sometimes it is best to go with what you already had there. trades sometimes mess up the chemistry in the middle of the season, the offense never picked up after the trade and caused players less a bats and there numbers suffered for 200 hitter all tiger land wanted lefthanded hitter. if you grow up hitting nad get to major leagues hitting both you should be good enough to keep doing it when you get to mlb. platoon situations are for idoits like jim leyland.

I can prove I’m a fool when I say I wanted more baseball, if only a week of suffering through the Yankee series.
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I wanted Raburn because he was the hot hitter. The thing is, if he doesn’t play leftfield then who? Guillen? Thames? It had been a long time since Raburn had pulled one of his death defying athletic failures out there and I was hoping Van Slyke had gotten him straightened out. He says he lost it in the lights which, from the looks of it, seems conceivable.
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Well, I’ve got nearly $300 in ticket refunds coming back and that’s just two games of two tickets each. The club is going to take a bath in lost revenue over this one.
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It took me about four months back in 2006 to understand Leyland’s managing style, and I’ve wanted him gone ever since. Just because I don’t say it everyday doesn’t mean I don’t think it. That’s job one this offseason, IMO, but I guess we’ll have plenty of time to discuss it. More time than we would have hoped, in fact.
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–Rich

I would also like to say thanks to Jason for the tremendous job that he does and for giving us a chance to let us say our piece.

To think that we may have won this game if the ump gives Brandon first base there when he looked like he was hit by the pitch…my father, who is not a religious man, told me several weeks ago when the slide started that it seemed to him like some divine force was guiding the Twins and I am thinking he was about right on that.
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How can it be that so many breaks go against you and for the other team? While we may not have thought Washburn would do for us what he did for Seattle, no one expected the disaster that occurred. Many pundits called it the best acquisition at the deadline. How could anyone expect Huff to be so miserable?
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I still go back to earlier in the year, when we kept giving Dontrelle Willis starts and gave Bonderman a start against the White Sox when he clearly wasn’t ready. Leyland and the Tigers seem to have a “go down with the ship” mentality. Some call it loyalty, others call it stubbornness. Whatever it is, it hasn’t worked around here lately. Yes, we got good seasons out of Raburn and Porcello after they stuck with them. And Ordonez caught fire after they stuck with him, as did Lyon. But in-game management is not the place to be stubborn. How many times this year did we see pitchers left in too long, batters left in to hit who were terrible offensively but being left in for defense to protect the lead that never came?
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Now that the season is over, I say that Leyland should go. Looking into the dugouts yesterday, I saw a Twins team that was confident, a manager that was playing to win. I saw a Tigers team that looked spooked when it got close, and a manager who was managing scared as if cringing awaiting a disaster, which happened.
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I get that Rodney wanted one more inning, but even if you were going with him there was NO ONE UP in the pen warming in the 12th. That to me was inexcusable. You’re the visiting team, even if you survive the 12th you’ll have to pitch the 13th and no one had even started. Did they just give up? Were they going to pitch Rodney until he reached 100 pitches? Someone had to be at least getting up over there, and if you went with a starter they’re going to need even more time.

I was there and it alternated between awesome and sucking. I still feel like I’ve been punched in the stomach. Whatever anyone says, this was another typical Metrodome win. Visiting player loses one in the lights? Check. Squibbly, normally easy grounders speed up the turf and out of the infield? Check. Crowd so loud Umpire blows critical HBP call? Check. I hate that damn dome.

I like reading all the comments as I have since 2006. I will not specify as all of you have shared my same thoughts.
Rich, Dan, Dave (stat man), GK, Greg, TG, Tracey, and I know I have missed a few. Thanks for some good reading. Jason, thanks to you. I will share a story and a comment. My uncle taught school in Yuma, AZ and won the baseball State Championship in 1973. He is not a fan of Leyland, nor am I. I think I was born a die hard Tiger fan and always will be one. Give the Twins credit and also their manager, congrats. My comment, who is the manager, the players? Like when I coached little league and asked the kids who wants to be a pitcher? Every kid said “I do”.
My season is over and I look forward to next year!
Go Tigers, 2010! –Dave

Ok, I am not done. Raburn did not lose the game. Hey, he got an intentional walk. Inge, Laird, can’t hit with the bases loaded? Maggs hit a liner instead of a fly ball? Grandy should have never been doubled off? Polanco not swinging? You are right Rich, Michigan lost. If we had a manager he would have pushed all the right buttons, like talking to the hitters and telling them what to do. JV, get in there and pitch! Avila, get a big pinch hit for us! Oh yeah, he was scared and hiding in the tunnel with Marlboro Man.

Too bad for Tiger Fans. We got a superb game, 5 hrs of excitement, but the outcome stunk for us!
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For whatever reason, our bullpen hadn’t even been used up, and Gardenhires was running out. We needed a new arm.. I would have never let Rodney talk me into one more inning! Porcello exceded my expectations in a crowd of 54,000 fans sceaming for the other side!
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Now that its over, I just wonder if the right team won, looking at the record the Yanks have over Minnesota, so I wish them luck, because I still hate the Yankees to get in there!
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Shame on you Jim Leland! You made some costly errors last night.
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I know our future pitching looks great, I hope our hitters improve.
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Jim

Dave B., you should post more.
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Just for fun, here’s an excerpt from my season’s prediction that I posted on this blog on April 5, the day before the season began. It seems appropriate to post it again on the day after the season ended.
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“Overall prediction: 82-80, give or take. Enough to remain in the race all year long. The AL Central can’t be predicted, it’s truly unpredictable. The Tigers will fall short because a) it’s still basically the same bunch who always manages to lose close games to Chicago, b) too much trouble with Minnesota, and c) still take Kansas City too lightly.”
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–Rich

Interesting prediction Rich. It is amazing at how well we know these guys’ tendencies and capabilities. We didn’t play the “Hope & Dream” game but all of our voices of reason went unheard.
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I’d like to see Jason give us a new thread to gnaw on.
It should be titled:

“Should Jim Leyland Go or Should He Stay?”
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I’d like to take the 1st crack at that one.
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BTW, Why wasn’t Perry or Rapada, or Bonderman or Galarraga (or even Seay) warming up in the 11th and 12th innings?
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I know why Laird was in there yesterday but how unproductive can you let your hitter be?
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A lot can be made of Brandon getting hit in the shirt with the bases full but maybe he should just have taken one for the team. It’s only fat, after all.
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Laird followed up that AB with swinging at ball 4.
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Polanco (and I know the word is insulting) choked. And this showed in the field down the stretch too.
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I know that the Tigers were 2nd or maybe even 1st in sac bunts but we didn’t sacrifice enough for a team that was having so much trouble finding ways to score runs. That is Leyland’s fault. Full Stop. Period. Unequivocally.
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There were weak hitters that were never expected to bunt lin obious situations, ike Inge, Guillen, Granderson and Laird.
I don’t mean in this gamI mean during the season and particularly during the dry spells.
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As to manager of the year—well obviously it is Gardenhire. There is a fellow who is respected by his players and who is not afraid to make a move based on the real situation rather than the visualized situation (read stubborn) that JL manages from.
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We need more honesty from our manager, just saying that he is being honest with your or to tell you the truth is only a weak attemp at placating his critics.
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Though Leyland has the gruff ‘I’m in charge” persona we have been throug the last few seasons that have seen the some of the players seeming call the shots. Sheffield, Inge, Guillen, Rodriguez are a few guys who were able to get their way when they shouldn’t have.
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Anyway, there is now a lot of time to dissect what we all think went wrong but the one constant that we have had in the last 4 years of autumnal depression in Motown is Jim Leyland.

“the one constant that we have had in the last 4 years of autumnal depression in Motown is Jim Leyland.” this is downright laughable. The last 4 years, the Tigers under Jim Leyland have averaged 86 wins. Before Leyland arrived, the last time the Tigers won 86 games was 1988! I know people are upset, but before you start harkening back to the Phil Garner, Buddy Bell days please relax and enjoy what this team has given us. The depression I had were watching the teams we fielded from 1995-2005.

I don’t know which games you watched, but Laird bunted a lot. Actually he is an excellent bunter. You do not ask your 3-5 hitters to bunt and that is what Guillen is. He needs to drive in runs (which he did not do often enough this year) but you cannot fault him for not bunting.

Leyland was given an extension this year, he isn’t going anywhere. We can, however start a new thread on Tigers who will not be back. Polanco (sadly), Lyon, Thames, Huff, Washburn. I get a strange feeling Rodney may be back. I would like to see some competition for the 3B job next year.

This is a point that’s made quite often, that we should be happy since the current team is better than the ones fielded from 1995-2005. I don’t think it’s a valid point. The current team is vastly more talented than those teams of the past and the payroll is vastly higher.
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Speaking for myself only, since Dan is more than capable of defending his own case, I judge the current team on it’s own merits or lack of same. 2003 is becoming a long time ago and was put to rest with the 2006 campaign. I don’t plan to live the rest of my life being happy everytime we win our 44th game of the season.
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–Rich

OK Rich, give us an available manager that you would rather see than Leyland. Of course, Leyland has a contract so we cannot pay a lot of money for him. I think Leyland only has a couple years in him to manage, but his record over the last 4 years is good. Don’t lose perspective.
I said the depressing years were 95-05. In 3 of the last 4 years we have had competitive teams in September, something we could only dream of only 5 years ago. I understand the frustration of the last week, I thought the Tigers had a punchers chance at NYY (in fact I think we match up better vs the Yankees than vs the Twins). But hey, with the young talent on the team and some solid prospects moving along in the minors I am optimistic at the Tigers future. See you in March!

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