Leyland on Everett

Noticed a lot of questions after the game about why Leyland didn’t go with a pinch-hitter for Adam Everett with runners on second and third and one out in the eighth. Leyland pointed to Everett being 1-for-2 lifetime off Ramon Ramirez, and the fact that he felt Everett had the best chance to make contact off Ramirez.

“I thought he’d put it play,” Leyland said after the game. “I thought the worst-case scenario would be a ground ball to second maybe, get one run in. Like I said, he’s 1-for-2 off him, and there’s really no other track records. Santiago and Raburn were 0-for-1. Like I said, I thought he’d put it in play, but he didn’t.”

When asked whether he considered using Santiago as a pinch-hitter for Everett, Leyland said, “No. That guy’s stuff is not susceptible to the way he hits, in my opinion.”

Leyland said over the weekend that he didn’t consider rookie catcher Alex Avila a pinch-hitting option, because he’s the only catching option off the bench. If Avila was used up a pinch-hitter and Laird had to leave a game with an injury, that would force the Tigers to go with an emergency catcher. That would be either Ryan Raburn or Brandon Inge, and Inge has no chance of catching with his knee acting up.

Raburn is 1-for-9 as a pinch-hitter this year, but that one hit, of course, was a homer. He’s 5-for-27 with three pinch-hit homers for his career.

18 Comments

C’mon—that’s pretty funny. That excuse is as foolish as the decision.! 1 for 2 vs. 0 for 1. And what about using Santiago as the runner for Ordonez, knowing that Everett is going to come to the plate?
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Give us a break Leyland, how gullible do you think Tiger fans are? ” Not Susceptible to the way he hits”?
He’s making Yogi sound like a philosopher and linguist.
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The one about not using the backup catcher in case he gets hurt always sounds better than the actual logic behind the excuse.
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Avila looks real susceptible to getting injured I guess.
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That was weak JL, you need to come up with something better than that.

Agreed Dan. If all these excuses were in fact valid then I guess JL is telling us the bench needs to be reconstructed. Because JL is basically saying he had no viable options in that situation……what? That’s a pretty common situation isn’t it?

I apologize if this gets posted twice…

I thought for sure Everett would at least put it into play, that was a disappointing at bat. Hindsight is perfect, of course he should have dh’d – isn’t Ramon a switch hitter? 2 at bats doesn’t justify a trend.

The offense however is really perking up – Maggs had a tremendous night (although the triple had some help from that fielder) but he is upping his average and hitting extra base hits, I am really pleased with him. And Polly too is firing up – could be a fun time coming up, the bats are better than they have been – thought for sure Marcus was going to hit that one out of the park.

Well I will take his word on the reason why he didn’t pinch hit Santiago. That doesn’t mean though that he couldn’t of pinch hit Avila or Raburn and then put Santiago in as the defensive replacement. Everett is spinning right now at least at the plate and he is probably pressing and he failed.
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That being said we lost this game principally because of starting pitching. Edwin was not good and did not go nearly long enough. As I said last night this seems to be a trend right now. Pitchers on this team are declining and the hitters are doing a bit better. They just can’t seem to get it in sync.
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Hopefully they can hit the AAA Callup tonigh.
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GK

‘Morning all. Jason, thanks a lot for this info, greatly appreciated. Just to put this one to bed, I wouldn’t PH Avila there for the reasons JL stated. I never considered Raburn. Dan had the best strategy of pinch-running Santiago, knowing that Everett would be coming up in a big situation, then using Thomas to PH there, Clete with a good average with RISP, and the ability to work a walk. Big league thinking there, Dan. Looks like I correctly assumed that JL based his matchup on some useless statistics, which is bad. I believe you have to look at recent performance and Everett has been struggling in these situations lately. He never had a chance. If JL just never considered the possibilities, that’s worse.
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Juvenile comments about what I think of Miner aside (after all they do come from juveniles), my thinking with a tie game in the 7th and seeing the hitters due up, that it was a perfect spot to go Seay-Lyon-Rodney, the manager’s dream. I was shocked JL passed on the opportunity.
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It was obviously a very interesting game, what with all the discussion here. Looked to me like Jackson didn’t have his slider at the outset, and you can’t let the Boston hitters sit on fastballs. Nor any hitters. Ni was okay again, just giving up that popfly homer. Ordonez is showing serious signs of breaking out for real this time and Polanco has been on a tear after going back to his old non-pull approach. Little salary drive there, Polly? :-) Thames hit 3rd and got a huge hit. I can’t figure Granderson. I think he needs to make some adustments, tweak his stance or something, become more consistent.
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That was our best chance to gain a split. Now it’s going to be tough to do. At least these aren’t divisional games.
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–Rich

I’m still shaking my head over the Leyland justification of not being prepared to hit for Everett. It was a lame excuse using that impossbily lowest sample you could but to go out and publicly say that you figure Santiago can’t hit the guy was ludricrous. JL is supposed to have the reputation for managing personalites well. Don’t imagine Ramon likes hearing he couldn’t do the job from his manager.
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I thought Leyland actually “looked” bewildered in the dugout yesterday.
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So the Sox have picked up Rios (this guy is an A type ballplayer) to go along with the Peavy pickup.
Minnesota picked up Orlando Cabrera, BoSox get EMart.
Did you notice the name of the guy we picked up for the stretch run? His name is Jack Squat.

Like everyone else I’m getting REALLY sick & tired of the lousy performances with RISP (they must lead ALL of baseball in that category). THERE IS NO WAY THAT JL SHOULD HAVE LET EVERRET BAT IN THE 8TH. (WITH A HOT HITTER AVILA ON THE BENCH). Either he’s gone senile with his (stupid) logic, or, he’s fried his brain with too much smoking!!! At least I didn’t have to watch that happening – I turned the game off after the first 10 pictches. I had no doubt that game was lost.
Previously I asked if anyone knew how we could forward these messages to JL, DD & maybe even MI. Maybe they could see how disgruntled their fans are. Maybe I’ll print these messages out & “snail mail” them to the afore mentioned. Lee

As I said last night I still don’t think that Santiago was the answer in this situation. He has been only doing slightly and I mean slightly better than Everett these days. Look at the numbers. But I do think that there were other people that could of. I think that most of us agree on that.
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At least the stupid White Soxs didn’t win last night no ground lost last night.??? I still think that this was one of the games that we had to win in order to get a split. Can’t count of Galarraga especially since Beckett is pitching that day. And tonight the AAA call up. Thursday we have a chance with Verlander as long as we get the good Verlander not the one of the last few outings where he has given up (I believe) 10 or 11 earned runs in his last two starts. Porcello is a ? mark to me tonight especially since we know little about their guy.

Looks like lefties hit Tawaza a lot better than righties based on his splits in the minors. I would expect to see Guillen, Santiago, Avila, Clete and Granderson all in the game. I suppose that Magglio deserves to be in there and of course Cabrera, Polanco and Inge. At times like this I wish that we had a few more lefties.

Pretty serious stuff here. I just enjoy baseball. Yeah, it is frustrating when you can not get the runners in. Hey Mr. manager, why not try something different? Did you ever hear of a squeeze play. You know, when the batter (Everett) makes contact (bunt, something every ML player can do), you send the runner. Oh that’s right, you know your guy can hit a ground ball to second or a fly ball!
Last night’s game was too long, had to go to bed, get up too early. Our team fought back to tie after being down 4-0, then the Manager does not know how to make his team win. He looks so serious. Why not be rah rah and fire the team up. All this talk about getting hitters. We have them. We need a manager.

Go Tigers! We are in first place!
–Dave

Remeber the days when managers would use their pitchers to pinch run? I think Jim Palmer used to spend a little time on the base paths for Baltimore and I kinda recall our own Earl Wilson doing it a few times (when he wasn’t pinch-hitting for Oyler!!!)

Bobby Shantz, Billy O’Dell, Pedro Ramos, and Al Jackson all were effectively used as pinch runners and Ruben Gomez used to chaallenge Mantle to races all the time, Blue Moon Odom used to PR all the time and even Bob Gibson and Jim Kaat would do it occasionally.
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That’s a pretty good point re Everett and a safety or suicide squeeze. One thing Everett does fairly well is get the bat on the ball when he is bunting.
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I think it is abundantly clear theat in that situation an extreme magerial decision was required. You can bet your bottom dollar that the next time the situation comes up Jl will be block-headed and have him swinging again, just to show who is boss.
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Santiago is hitting .368 against the Bosox and Everett .222
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Wonder what leyland should do today?

Hey Dan, this guy Jack Squat has been tearing it up in AA. The thinking is he may cool down when they get a book on him. At this point, the pitchers don’t know Jack. Ha ha, yuk yuk……….okay sorry.
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I don’t look at overall season numbers in that situation, I look at who’s been getting it done lately. That sure ain’t Everett. But I’ve always thought JL places too much emphasis on past pitcher-hitter matchups when making out his lineup. Those stats can be valid and useful at times, but any computer can give you much better info. Myself, I watch every game like JL does and go with what I see happening out on the field.
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One more thought on Leyland. Sure, he drives us nuts with his decisions and stubborn old school managing, and I’m certain he’s cost us unknown numbers of games because of it. Maybe we’d have done better with someone else. On the other hand, it could be Leyland who pushes this team to keep battling and we may have done worse over the past four years without him. You just don’t know. If there’s a big enough hue and cry from the fanbase, DD may become pressured into removing him. Be careful of what you wish for and all that. As it is, I just want the guy to know that we’re watching his every move. It’s not like the old days when a small percentage of games were televised. Now we can see every pitch of every game from anywhere in the country. We won’t buy any BS and he might want to take us a little more seriously.
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It’s not that last night’s game ended too late, it’s just that it was too darned long for a 9-inning 6-5 game. I have to admit I got bored there for awhile. How do the Boston/NY fans stand this?
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–Rich

Yeah Dan, that what I meant, safety squeeze. Rich, I like the no clock game, but who decided a 9 inning game should be over 3 hours let alone 4 hours. I know I am sometimes too hard on our Manager. I just think he had his time and now he is not exciting, and yes, we could do worse. OK, we have a runner on 3rd with less than 2 outs, the manager asks everyone on the bench, who can get this run in? You knock him in, you save your job, if you don’t………

I think Francona (or someone) was thinking squeeze w/Everett up. Every pitch was in the dirt that he swung at. He would have never gotten a bat on any pitch. As soon as Maggs got the double, I thought pinch run Santiago & pinch hit Clete. They probably would have brought in the Japanese lefty to pitch to Clete & Granderson, but I would rather have Clete up batting blindfolded against a lefty than Everett up in that situation.

He couldn’t have looked worse (Everett that is) if he had been blindfolded. Boy was that at bat really really disappointing. I had nightmares last night reliving that at bat (HA HA just kidding).
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Santiago’s batting average in the month of July and Aug .160
Everett’s batting average in the months of July and Aug. .154
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So like I have been saying last night and today he really wasn’t the option there. But I agree there were other options. A squueze might of been nice though. Youklis isn’t that quick and if Everett could of probably gotten that down, although not with those pitches but hey what about a walk???
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GK

Oh ya I wanted to ask what everyone thought of the Rios grab by the White Soxs and if this is the final straw that dooms us??? Me I am not sure, ya Rios is good, but really hasn’t been this year and on a team that is hitting fairly well. Seems like the White Soxs have an aweful lot of outfielders.

OK, I am over the Everett thing. On to my Tiger, Grandy. I see a long swing. If he punched to left or a grounder to short……….Polly, talk to him. Rios, another dumb contract. I do not want him. Like I said, we have the hitters, just in the wrong order. Maybe we do not have a true lead off hitter, and of course your best hitter is in the 3 hole, then who is clean up. Is Guillen healthy? Let’s run the same lineup out there for 2 weeks. Pitching, Defense, Hitting.
Go Tigers!
–Dave

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