Guillen could be Tigers' bat addition

While the Tigers continue to search for a spark to their offense,
including on the trade market, their best option could still be a
healthy Carlos Guillen. He’s going through the process of regaining his
timing at the plate in his rehab assignment at Class A Lakeland,
doubling and walking Thursday, as he nears an end to his nearly
two-month stint on the disabled list with inflammation in his right
shoulder.

A two-week rehab assignment would bring back Guillen
around July 27. Guillen is hoping to return sooner than that, giving
the Tigers the end of next week’s homestand plus a three-game series
against the Rangers to evaluate him and how much he can contribute
before the July 31 nonwaiver trade deadline. If he can regain his
hitting form from 2006-08, he adds quite a bit, possibly more than any
hitter on the trading block. If he simply continues his hitting
struggles from April and May, the Tigers still have problems.

That’s
the risk the Tigers have to weigh. But with the trade market moving
slowly — president/general manager Dave Dombrowski continues to say
there aren’t many sellers right now — Detroit has time to wait and see.

“Guillen
could be our trade,” manager Jim Leyland said last week. “Guillen, if
he comes back, could be the bat we’re looking for. If it’s Carlos
Guillen, to me, that’s a nice bat to have.”

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That’s hope & dream stuff–not meat & potatoes.

Dan, you crack me up. And I mean that in a good way. :-)
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Anderson in the lineup again. It appears he’s getting a shot here. I guess they need to prepare for some decision making, so Josh, let’s go buddy. This town ain’t big enough for all of us.
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–Rich

Burnett on the mound and Josh in the lineup. It is put up or go home time for “Mr. Anderson”. Sounds like that bad guy from The Matrix.

So, now it starts. Second half. Tough go on the hill tonight against AJ. Hopefully we can get some big hits strung together.

The downside of then Tigers in NY is that I have to listen to the Yankee announcers on XM. That chick annoys me.

I just hate to see obfuscation by management. This guy is like getting a power hitter in a trade, this guy will fill our hole etc etc. The fact is the tigers need a LH power hitter.
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Another inconsistency in my opinion is tonights starting pitcher. They made a big to do about splitting up Verlander and Jackson with French then when they have an opportunity to start verlander in the 1st game back, keep the LHP French in the rotation against the Yanks and then still have Jackson able to throw against them (but split up from Verlander)—–they revert to the situation they were unhappy about previously!
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Very often we have seen JL say one thing, make a big deal about it then “renege’. Certainly last year he did this a number of times.
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As to today’s game, that’s a tough error on Clete–more Laird’s mistake than Clete’s.
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French is another one of those guys that gets ahead of hitters 2 strikes but can’t finish them off with a much needed K.
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Don’t like the idea that JL wouldn’t bunt with Laird and Anderson on 2nd.

Someone commented on MCab being in a “clutch slump”. It’s a good observation. He has not been coming thru as often in RBI situations and somehow appears less hungry than we were getting used to.
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I don’t see French being a solution for us as the 5th starter. I hope I am wrong. He does seem very composed though.
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He will need to avoid walks today to beat these Yanks

He’s not listening! Kiss of death walking these guys, especially the leadoff guy.

Laird up and again—-no bunt. Now they have to steal.

Mr “Old School” failed to play good percentage baseball with a leadoff gift walk to a weak hitter.
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I’m not sure what this guy has against laying down a bunt but he avoids that part of the game way more than he should.

Better get that bullpen going.

Whew. I don’t know what French is throwing that is enabling him to entice those pop-ups but he has bailed himself out pretty nicely. I do think he is going to have a real challenge gettting past the Yankee hitters a 3rd time though. I do hope that JL is bright enough to have his bullpen ready.

Let’s go Inge—now would be an All Star type moment.

Oops the “D” is going viral. This is one of the reason I feel Anderson will be gone when Guillen returns. He has no power, doesn’t hit, isn’t a polished outfielder and is prone to base running gaffes. Do we keep this guy around simply because he can run? May as well have Herb Washington.
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Tough break on the Everett DP and the kind that can turn a game around for the home team.
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I’m still a little choked over Anderson and his playing time. Ordonez has hurt us more than just by himself not hitting–it means they think they have to play a guy like Anderson.
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French pitched well and now JL wants to “test” Ni.

Ni does throw strikes. You gotta like that. I am afraid we will see Zumaya now though.

Here we go. You know that Zumaya is the type of pitcher that will find a way to lose it.

Man–sometimes I hate the obvious. Zumaya’s best value to us is his trade value.

Well now Texieria hits the bomb—we all knew this would happen. Somehow JL doesn’t.
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Unbelievable.

Just keep throwing the ball harder Joel. Maybe someday MLB hitters will just stop hitting fastballs!? How stupid, impetuous and arrogant can you get?

plain and simple zumaya sucks,when is leyland going to see that

I have posted this 2 or 3 times before. For all of the money wasted on Gary Sheffield, the Tigers could have signed a reliever. DD has done very little during the last few years to solve the problem there.

get his dumb *** out before he gives up more runs

get your pitch count up so leyland doesn’t have to use you the rest of the series

you ******* **** zumaya

The problem for Leyland is that there really aren’t many good options in the bullpen. There is not a single pitcher in the bullpen in whom Leyland can have confidence. If Fernando Rodney is your team’s closer, that says it all.

I cannot stand listening to Rod and Mario ignore the bug, fat elephant in the room. Zumaya can’t pitch- plain and simple.

Need to proofread before I hit submit- big, fat elephant that is.

ok i’m done venting ,question how can the tigers keep bringing zumaya in ,he has shown he cannot hold a lead

That’s very true. Also it doesn’t say very much when you rleft fielder is Josh Anderson. How serious a contender can you be with a guy like that out there?
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Rodney as closer is stop gap. Also not a good situation. The good teams have guys they KNOW will close the game.

Question for Tigers’s fans. If there was an attempt to send Zumaya to the minors, would there be a problem with him being out of options and having to clear waivers?

Guillen is the bat addition? Is that DD’s way of cheaping out, and not addressing a glaring need? Again? Like getting Francisco Cruceta to fix the bullpen? Or Matt Mantei, Joey Eischen, Eduardo Campusano, Kyle Bloom, or Juan Rincon? How about getting a bona fide major league bat to replace Ordonez in the lineup vs RHP’s, and getting a bona fide major league late inning reliever, for a change?
Not one Tiger pitcher in the bullpen had a decent year in 2008. The pen leads the league in blown saves. They’re 9th in run production and 11th of 14 teams in batting avg, and falling.
As long as Leyland is determined to play this game of bullpen roulette, DD needs to give him some personnel to make the pen JL proof. The team needs help, not excuses. Guillen is not the answer.

French was fine. Frankly at least one of those runs the Yankees got on him wouldn’t have scored had it not been for one of the three errors. And I would bet if Clete had thrown better they would of gotten the other runner out at home as well.
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ZUMAYA ZUMAYA ZUMAYA!!! What can I say except what has happened to you??? But it is down right frightening having him come into a game. This pen which started out the year being pretty darn good has really scuffled in the last three or four weeks. (maybe longer)
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But they still can’t hit and their fielding today was deplorable and well, it just isn’t good enough.
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This one will get called.

In defense of Zumaya for this game, Polanco missed catching the first hit by inches, Thomas missed catching the second hit by inches, and another hit fell fair by inches. That said, I have no confidence in Zumaya either. I don’t know how many times it has been but it seems like he always gives up runs. I agree with others here that they need bullpen help and a LH power hitter. Time to really shake up this team before they start losing and fall too far behind?

We just handed them this game. Tied it up in a pretty bow and presented it. I realize the game isn’t over yet, but if they continue it’s Rivera so yeah, it’s over.
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Can’t commit three errors with a team that scores three runs per game, that’s for sure. I’m disappointed in the fielding tonight. It looked to me like Laird was trying to deke the runner on Clete’s throw and it caused him to react late to the bounce. On Inge’s throwing error, Cabrera has got to dig those out and he hasn’t been doing that. Has he lost interest altogether? Anderson’s error is, unfortunately, another glaring mistake by him. Man.
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I don’t know how Anderson draws a leadoff walk in the 4th yet doesn’t steal second. Don’t know who to blame there, as JL may very well have greenlighted him but he didn’t go for whatever reason. I do know you have to be much more aggressive in the current situation.
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Did Cabrera run hard out of the box on that drive off the wall or does he really run that slowly? If he was top speed all the way, then I think we’ve found someone Sean Casey could beat in a footrace.
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The things we did wrong tonight could never be solved by adding a power LH bat, a new pitcher, or any single player. We just need to play better baseball than that.
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And finally, Zumaya. Does anyone think he’ll be on the DL within the next three days? Quite simply, he’s just not a good pitcher and hasn’t been for three years now. I’ve been saying this so it isn’t a reaction to tonight’s disastrous outing. I couldn’t believe that Rod and Mario were bemoaning the fact that Joel wouldn’t be available tomorrow like it was a bad thing. I’d already decided that he shouldn’t be used in late inning situations, but now I’m wondering if you can use him at all. At the very least, we need to have Lyon pitch anytime that JL thinks it’s time for Zumaya. He’s just a train wreck waiting to happen with those fastballs down the middle of the plate. How long does it take Leyland to see these things? I guess about as long as it takes him to learn to use a computer.
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Jury still out on French. He may have something, but we won’t know for a few more weeks. Same with Ni.
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–Rich

Well DD’s saving grace is that somehow this club has managed to be in 1st place. The glaring holes have been saran wrapped by this anomaly but the hard cold facts of not having a shut down closer or a power hitting LHB have not changed for years now. Without these we don’t have a good chance of limping through and if we did , how do you compete in the post season?
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If DD were smart he would emphatically fix these holes. Period. Patching doesn’t work.

I have complained in the past of not being able to recognize diminishing value. Ordonez should have been traded a year ago when some team still remembered his batting championship and weren’t too scared off by his salary.
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Bonderman, Robertson, Willis, and Inge all got really pretty contracts without really having the consistent numbers to deserve them. Next will Zumaya. If they were smart they would offer him up now and some team will think they can salvage that arm and drool over his sub million dollar contract. He has trade value–but it is diminishing with every performance.
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DD needs to look at his stats. He had a sweet year in 2006. It’s 2009 now DD and his numbers have brutal for the last 3 years.
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That’s not gonna change.

Zumaya = 6 blown saves. How many other games did he allow runs that eventually cost them a win?

Actually, I’ll be glad when the entire Rodney Zumaya era is over, but that’s not on the horizon. For now, how about we use Lyon a little more? The dude must warm up twice as much as he actually enters a game.
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I know everyone is hoping for a trade that will turn everything around, but I’m not seeing that happening, at least not a mid-season trade. There may be a deal, but not what folks are yearning for. There’s not that much out there, and I’m not willing to give up a Porcello.
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That brings us back to the here and now. It’s tough enough to go into NY and win games, but it’s irritating to gift wrap them like tonight. They have to at least play a clean game and then let the chips fall where they may.
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I’m glad it’s a short turnaround and we get right back at it tomorrow afternoon.
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–Rich

Move over Marcus and have a seat on the bench. Take your .279 avg and your 9 home runs and find a place on the comfy seat, cause super power hitting Carlos Guillen will be taking over and saving the day.
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He is being groomed to DH ( I guess they are pretty comfortable with Anderson in LF) in Lakeland having all his appearances as a DH. It would seem kind of a logical place to me to learn the craft of playig outfield but JL has big plans for Carlos as the big teams DH.
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I do have to give Everett some credit for doing better than I thought he would. But I also don’t think there is a prayer of a chance that he hits above .250 when this year is all done. This is an area of needed improvement next year. I don’t know if Dlugach or Iorg will ever be game changers but I can assure you Adam will never ascend to that role. Next year will see a need for a left fielder and 2 new middle infielders. Not to mention a real closer and a real setup guy and a 4th starter.
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We still need a LHB and a LHP too.
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If we could fill some of these holes this year that would be real nice. I’m still hopeful for the best this year but being hopeful and being realistic do not always go hand-in-hand.

Regarding French, I don’t know how anyone at this point can really knock him, he has faced two really good hitting teams and well one not so good but has only given up 4 earned runs in those 19 innings. But is he going to make it I don’t know but so far so good as far as I am concerned.
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Zumaya on the other hand has given up 17 earned runs in 31 innings. What I do not understand is what explains his really good pitching in the beginning of the year and now we are subject to this everytime he comes on the field. He can’t throw a strike and when he does he throws it right down the middle and they tee off on it. I don’t know what the problem is, that is Leyland’s and Knapps job to figure out. But I do know this he should not be brought in when the game is on the line.
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The hitting still has to get better, and the fielding was horrible Rich you are right they did gift wrap this one and hand it right over to them. REALLY UNFORTUNATE.
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Won’t be able to watch the game today, maybe that is a good thing.
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GK

Just read off the SI website that Zumaya is out with an injured shoulder.

“They just did X-rays,” Zumaya said. “I’m leaving for Detroit tomorrow, and I’m going to get an MRI. I don’t even know how I threw the last three pitches. I just tried to throw them down the middle. I was in some serious pain. I couldn’t even lift my arm.”

I’m pretty sure he won’t be pitching again this series and that also will hurt any trade value he has by constantly getting injured.

I knew it! Said so before the game even ended last night. In fact, I’ve been saying it for three years, that his arm angle will cause chronic injuries. Well, there goes his trade value. He was never dependable yet we kept depending on him when building the roster, year after year.
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I suppose we’ll have to trade for someone who was available over the winter as a free agent. Wow……..
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Diminishing trade value now reads “diminished trade value” or perhaps “evaporated trade value”.
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I suspect all teams play games with the DL but the Tigers have pushed the (ab)use of this stategy beyond the envelope.
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I suspect Zumaya is, and has been, troubled by the shoulder. It is no excuse for his pitch selection and fastball arrogance and it is no excuse for JL in rolling him out there to pitch for his teammates with the game on the line. If he wasn’t “right” then why put him in a critical situation over and over again? Why does JL idealize his favorites? Does he think simply running them out there will eventually see them fulfill the role he has visualized for them? He has done this with Sheffield, Guillen, Ordonez, Jones, Rodney, Willis. Sometimes you have to read the writing on the wall.

Well well well. Zumaya on the DL. What a surprise. I was watching Friday night’s game on MLB.tv and they kept showing Leyland while Z was pitching. JL had this blank look on his face and just left Z out there even though we
could all see he was not effective. It was almost as though JL was willing to lose that game to prove a point about Z. Just what was the point? Maybe JL and DD don’t see eye to eye about the sorry state of the bullpen. I was very nervous about Lyon in the beginning but he has seemed to come around a bit. How many are now on the DL? Six?

Where are those clutch hits? “Just a lousy single” is what JL is saying about now.
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We do seem unable to clutch up with RISP way too often.

MCab is raking the ball with nobody on. Seems to be less relaxed with men on. We need to get him dangerous again. Rod Allen talks about pitching around him well that’s true but if you have a hitter like him you need to get another. Maris/Mantle, Killebrew/Allison, Kaline/Colavito/Cash, Mauer/Morneau. Makes a big difference. A Dunn or Huff would help MCab out immensely.

Well, JV is obviously on. The guys need to support him with some runs and well played baseball. They can’t wait for Carlos to pump this offense up. It’s time for everyone to improve their approach at the plate.

The JL “no bunt” offense strikes again.

So far, 3 walks, a HBP, a passed ball and a wild pitch and we still can’t score. CC is handing us this game and we are giving it right back.
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This is more frustrating than last night.
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Is he never going to “get it”? He has one of the most unproductive offenses around, facing an imposing pitcher, needing to support his own starter and he keeps thinking his guys are going to score simply because he wants them to. He has to make things happen. Ordonez on 2nd with no outs and Raburn up was a perfect opportunity to lay one down.
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He’s gonna keep f—— around until the Yanks do what they do, and then will have to play the catch up game. Bad strategy.

JL must be thinking it’s going to be a high scoring affair??? Let’s get one run and go from there.

–Ed

I am not going to complain about the pitching last night, we all saw how that unraveled. (BLOW PEN),again!

Today, I can’t believe, how many times, we have gotten on base, and can’t capitalize,on it. C’mon guys, manufacture some runs. Bunt on CC!.. 6’9″, that man isn’t a cat!… test him on it!
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I have a complaint, that Rod Allen, kept gushing about all the benifits, or praising the Yanks of thier skills, accomplisments, and great all stars on the team lat night, and today… Enough already!.. Not all us out there are Pinstripe fans.. we are tuning in to see our team do some winning! Who signs your paycheck R&M?

These are the kind of performances by your starter that suggest the manager “owes” it to him to do everything possible to get him a run or two. JV is pitching one of the best games of his life here today. JL hast make sure he gets a win.
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2nd & 3rd 1 out—no run is brought home. Is it obvious that the Tigers lack a clear and present danger in their lineup?
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Is Carlos the answer to this?.
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Without another premier hitter in this lineup we will see our ooponents continue to take advantage of our weak offense. Our Starters will not be able to prerform miracles all year. They will break down, Porcello may see some serious struggles yet. G-Man is inconsistent, French unknown.

These are the kind of performances by your starter that suggest the manager “owes” it to him to do everything possible to get him a run or two. JV is pitching one of the best games of his life here today. JL hast make sure he gets a win.
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2nd & 3rd 1 out—no run is brought home. Is it obvious that the Tigers lack a clear and present danger in their lineup?
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Is Carlos the answer to this?.
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Without another premier hitter in this lineup we will see our ooponents continue to take advantage of our weak offense. Our Starters will not be able to prerform miracles all year. They will break down, Porcello may see some serious struggles yet. G-Man is inconsistent, French unknown.

Well that 1 run mays well as be 5.
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The HR falls softly into the 1st row and Ordonez simply watches it fall? Thomas is leaping for that one. I’m not blaming Ordonez I’m just pointing out something about the old guard vs the new guard.
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This is Hearbreak Hotel. Does anybody figure these hitters of ours have even a remote chance of pulling this one out?

Pathetic showing by the offense once again. Starting pitching can’t throw shutouts everyday so the front office is going to have to do something or JL somehow has to light a fire under these guys.

It’s getting to the point where you know what’s coming every game. I even figured Cabrera or Thames would hit a solo homer in the 8th to make it close but still pointless.

Thats the way it goes… CC didn’t deserve that game!
No way… but the blame goes to the lackless offense.. it was handed to them, on a platter to take, but nobody could make a run to complete!… shame..Verlander pitched very strong, with exception of those 2 runs, and that is all it took… Yanks say Thanks chumps! I sense a club house butt chewing coming up.

Swisher won that game for them. Excellent base running,
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I hope DD paid attention to this game. The litany of stranded runners, inability to scroe runners from 3rd, lack of a potent 1-2 punch etc, etc etc., continues.
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Again-no blame is being laid here but we are beginning to see the real Adam Everett. He is far closer to a Ray Oyler than an Alan Trammel. The easy out at the bottom of the lineup complicates the overall offensive conundrum.
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This lineup has no leadership. Something really does need to be done or all the apologists who keep saying we are still in 1st place won’t be able to say it anymore. That includes Jim Leyland.

We will probably see a lineup shuffle now by JL to placate the growing discontent. I really see no advantage to keeping Curtis leading off other than the fact that there is no one else that you want to put there. But, the lack of potency in the middle of the lineup is becoming very disconcerting.
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I’d almost consider giving Santiago a shot at short for awhile and leadoff with him. Bat Granderson 5th.
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Something has to be done and if the unwillingness of DD to make a courgeous and significant trade persists then we may as well hunker down like the Cubs and ‘Wat till next year”.

It’s quite simple; if this team doesn’t hit homers, they don’t score enough runs to win a game. No one appears to know what approach to take with RISP, so it looks like they take the same approach everytime up. Result, your ace gets beat on a routine popfly to right that goes out. And the longer it goes on, the more they press and the worse it gets. That’s how it works.
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I’m not even sure that one acquired hitter would be enough, as there’s still the other 8 in the lineup. Also, I don’t know who that acquired hitter would be. Names? Past performance when evaluating hitters isn’t an indicator since most of these guys were taking PEDs. A trade guarantees nothing. But a trade they should make, I just don’t know for who.
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JL needs to push it more, as he did earlier in the season, but he’s fallen back into watching mode. He also needs to switch up the lineup, move Granderson, use anybody else at leadoff. Thomas, Santiago, Polanco, a mix and match, whatever. I’m not against a trade but I think it won’t help as much as we anticipate.
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One thing I would have liked to have seen done today was with Thames on 3rd and the shallow pop was hit to Damon. Johnny caught it flat footed, he has a terrible arm, you’re next guy probably won’t get the 2-out hit, so I would have sent Marcus thundering towards the plate. Perhaps the throw is bad, perhaps he can knock the ball loose. Keeping him at 3rd only led to the predictable outcome. You have to DO something.
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didn’t see the game today, was looking at here and there on my phone. How many times have we said this, runners stranded on 2nd and 3rd with one or fewer outs and nothing. Unfortunately it has been all to predictable. The opposing pitchers probably don’t get nervous because they know how anemic the offense is, and our pitchers are having to be perfect to even have a shot. Really disappointed.

Rich, I agree with you. One guy probably won’t make a difference in this lineup. There are too many holes, too many guys that are prone to go in extended slumps, that one guy isn’t going to turn this around. Said so over a month ago when I brought up the possibility of trading Miggy for a boatload of talent. Still think it might be something to look at in the offseason since that is probably not the kind of trade you make now. But there are some glaring deficiencies with this team and nothing down at the farm is going to fix them.

–Ed

Oh, my. 2 games the Tigers could easily have won. Zumaya, I believe, is done. Even when his shoulder doesn’t hurt, he can’t get anyone out. Guillen, I’m afraid, is going to be another Maggs. I dread his return unless he’s actually started hitting in the minors. Sure don’t want to see him in LF. I’ll take Josh any day even with a few errors, he’ll get to most of the balls. I think they gotta let Maggs go and get someone for the bullpen and maybe another hitter. Santiago is back to his old ways and can’t hit. They ought to just let him bunt or try to get a walk. I feel bad for Verlander. You know he wants to be with a winner. Quite frankly, we can’t afford not to have a winning team. Things are so bad in Michigan economically, the only way the Tigers make money is if they win and continue to get fans to the games. If they can’t do that, you’re gonna see an empty stadium. Pathetic hitting. Can’t hit for sh**!

COME ON, WAKE UP Dombrowski! This shuttle bus between Detroit and Toledo is not working. Can’t you get someone better even if you have to offer 2 or 3 for 1? What good is Hessman, Larish, Clevlen, Bonine, Lambert, McBride, Rapada, Sardinha, and Kelly. You’ve tried them all and sent them back. You may even have to give up Thames, Anderson, Thomas, Miner, or Zumaya. They are either not helping much or being misused by a manager you just gave 2 more years to for not doing much to get some wins like
the Saturday game. What is Washington asking for Dunn? What does Baltimore want for Huff? Maybe KC will take something for Teahen if he is the odd man out when Gordon returns. Look around. There may be someone else I haven’t thought about. You’ve got to shake this team up a bit. Amen.

Another thought> Your hitting coach needs to be changed. How about Leon Durham from Toledo?

How many good hitters has Leon Durham sent us from Toledo? I can’t think of one. I think we’re becoming desperate here.
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It’s a shame, really, that we’re in first place but the club is not inspiring the confidence in the fan base to make it an enjoyable experience. We got here on the basis of two separate winning streaks but the rest of the season has been on the mediocre side.
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More than likely, the reason DD is hoping that Guillen can improve the offense is that there are really no deals to be had out there. Some of the names being bandied about wouldn’t really help that much at all. I certainly don’t want to trade Rick Porcello, does anyone? Zumaya’s value is probably gone, that train has left the station without us purchasing a ticket. Miner can be packaged, but the fact is, we have no one to offer other than a Cale Iorg or a Scott Sizemore.
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I’m not going to waste time digging out facts on players that we probably wouldn’t get anyway, but I’ll just toss out three names from the Washington Nationals. Nyjer Morgan, Adam Dunn, and Nick Johnson, in that order. Morgan hits for average, steals a lot of bases and has speed to burn. Dunn has longball power, a great eye, and draws a lot of walks. Johnson, although injury prone, hits for average, also draws walks, but doesn’t hit for power.
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The bottom line as I see it is that this club we have right now just has to step it up. I will say this: if we have a second half swoon for the fourth consecutive season, there’s no way you can bring back Jim Leyland for a fifth year.
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–Rich

Agreed Rich – on every point. This team just has to do better and lets face it does Illitch want to get spend a lot more money on this team when lets face it they may have a chance of getting into the playoffs, but not much else. Boston, Dodgers, Angels. Lets face it they are just way better.
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I heard on the radio yesterday coming home from work there was a piece written on MI.LIVE and they were talking about different franchises that could be move. They suggested the Tigers were one of them because people weren’t going??? While I am sure Mr. Illitch would never do that it is interesting. The person that wrote this artical said that attendence is down 30% this year?? Really. While I would say some the games that I go to now that it is warm seem to have the seats pretty full.???. And so I guess I thought I would mention that because I don’t think after having several bad contracts out there Mr. I is going to be willing to waste anymore.
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Lets hoping that Jackson can shut out the Yankees today because one run is apperently al they can get.
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GK

I couldn’t find this article but I’ll address the attendance part. If they mean that attendance is down 30% from 2008, then they’re just twisting stats again. Attendance in 2008 was ridiculously high because a lot of people foolishly bought seasons tickets thinking they would then have tickets to the ALDS, the ALCS, and the World Series.
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Stats, man………..a person can make ‘em say anything you want to prove a point or to write an article.
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Just looking at the box score for the Seattle/Cleveland game. Noticed that Chris Shelton is back in the majors. Just had a hit and scored a run. Good for him.

This game already looks the same as the last two. I think I’ll clean the bathroom instead of watch.

-Tracey

Freaking Tigers and this HORRIFIC HITTING. What a bunch of jerks (and I would like to say some other word there) one out triple and you strand it. What a bunch of #########
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GK

Another Tigers ace is going to get an L for giving up two runs. Maddening.

Tracey had the right idea about cleaning the bathroom. I should have followed her lead.

Tracey had the right idea. I should have cleaned the bathroom, instead of wasting time on this loss.

Oops on the dobule post. Didn’t knwo the first one went through. A wasted scoreless inning of relief by Lyon.

Don’t worry, Guillen is the answer.

I have tried to stay positive through this year, but it sure is grinding me to the nut house. Just a few comments. Our 1-2 pitchers are at the top of their game, no doubt. They deserve so much better. Granderson did not do what a good leadoff man should do; try to see a few pitches and work the count.
Polanco didn’t come through at all. Cabrera has become a toothless kitty cat with no protection in front or behind. Thames is good for a home run every 15 at bats; that’s about it. Thomas is learning the game. My man Inge is panicking, and reverting back to old Brandon. Laird can throw out a base stealer as good as anyone; did I mention that he doesn’t hit too often. Anderson doesn’t know he’s in the game half the time. And our buddy Santiago needs to get back to the set of “A Few Good Men”. Maggs needs to begin his political career sooner than he thought. I’m still positive though. I was so positive that I knew every thing that the team was going to do today, and I knew the final score would be 2-1 as soon as Tex hit his HR in the sixth. It’s sad when you know the outcome of a ballgame well before it’s over. I’m real positive on that. Crying through my old English D in Vinton, VA.
Greg

I’ll be the apologist again. We have 41 home games remaining, where we have a 27-13 record. We have 31 road games left, where we have a 21-29 record. If that continues, we go roughly 28-13 at home the rest of the year and 13 – 18 on the road. That equates to 41-31, which would give us an 89-73 record at the end of the year.

Twins are 28-20 at home, with 33 games left. So they would go 19-14. They are 19-24 on the road, with 38 games left. So they would go 17-21, giving them a 36-35 record for the rest of the season, 83-79 overall, 6 games worse than the Tigers.

White Sox are 24-22 at home, with 35 games remaining. They would go 18-17. They are 23-22 on the road, with 36 games remaining. They would go roughly 18-18, or maybe 19-17, giving them a 37-34 record maybe for the rest of the year, and a total record of 84-78, or 5 games worse than the Tigers.

Are these numbers guaranteed to hold the whole season? No. But if each team plays identically to the way they have so far, the Tigers win by 5 games. Anyone who speculates that they will play better or worse than they have or that other teams would play better or worse than they have is doing just that: speculating.

Prediction for tomorrow. Bats wake up and Gallaraga pitches a terrible game. Tigers lose.

Owen, Tigs are off tomorrow.

Davidtiger51, good suggestion about Ordonez beginning his political career sooner than he thought. Maybe the dictator Hugo Chavez can find a spot for him.

As I saw someone suggest in another thread (I would give them credit, but I don’t remember who posted the comments), Ordonez should have been traded when he was much closer to being a batting champion.

It is too late now to trade Ordonez. He should have been traded before, during or after last season when he still had value.

Make that Tuesday drummerderr. Lol. Different day, same results.

Another bad game again today. The sad thing is I’m really not that impressed with the Yanks (unlike Rod Allen) and we should have swept them no question about it but with this anemic offense it wasn’t going to happen. All 3 Yankees starters were hittable and weren’t at their best but it was enough.

Like someone said yesterday I don’t know who you can get in a trade and I wouldn’t even think about trading Porcello for anyone right now so what do you do? Guillen might help a little but it’s going to come down to the big guys turning things around. As good as JV and EJ have been we wouldn’t need a huge offensive explosion just 4 or 5 runs a game would be enough in most cases.

Also I would rather see Maggs getting playing time with Clete in left than running Anderson out there. It’s an experiment everytime he plays and at least Maggs will get you a couple of singles here or there. If they’re not going to deal Maggs let him play because nobody else is getting it done either. Enough venting for me today.

Attaboy Greg, keep that ol’ positive attitude. I was pretty positive myself today. :-) Good post.
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Interesting take on the home/away records, Drummer. I found myself today thinking that we had overtaken the Twins in having the most diverse home/away record. Guess we can’t complain about their dome if that’s the case.
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Excrementally speaking, Josh Anderson is at or near the top of my list. Wonder what he and Larish would bring?
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The Tigers’ play these past three days came dangerously close to ruining my entire weekend, something that has never happened. A visit to a backwoods county fair saved the day. Come on, you know you all want to see cows, goats, and the one and only Joe Diffie in concert. The funnel cakes alone were better than the Tigers, and I didn’t even have any. Funnel cakes, that is.
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Best to just put this one behind us and move on. Especially since the guys hit like behinds.
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–Rich

Had an awful feeling about the NY series and don’t like being proven right. Apart from a few pitchers, this team has an inferiority complex against the top teams, particularly playing away. Sheff did bring attitude to the team, something sadly lacking amongst the offense that quickly leads to these ongoing funks – 1 for 25 for RISP just incredible.
We need far more which needs more creative and aggresive management, (dare I say leadership??) to help overcome these limp wristed series away from home. Only one stolen base knowing your team isn’t hitting doesn’t cut it.
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Whichever way you like to downplay a 30% drop in attendance levels from a all time high, the fact is our payroll increased to reflect the income, going from a $50-60m base 5 years ago to well over $100m reaching $137m last year and back to $115m for 2009.
We have $85m committed for 2010 for 4 players on the current roster or $100m for 5 players if they stupidly allow Maggs to get over the vesting line for at bats/starts. Miggs is probably the most gifted hitter the Tigers have had for some time but I doubt he will ever make it at first and his mindset is not good for a DH role, something Sheff couldn’t make a go of either. $20m gets you 2 good bats.

*Owen, Tigs are off tomorrow.*
Crap – they’ve been off for a LONG time now!!!
What a CRIME to lose 2 GREAT pitching performances!!!
Maybe JV & EJ should consider going to another team.
Well……………now that baseball season is OVER – when does (College) football begin?
Lee
P.S.: Sure glad I didn’t waste my time today watching that crap! I did something exciting – watch the grass grow!

I wonder if the Dodgers would go the two lefties, Loney (25 yrs, $465K and FA in 2013) and Pierre (32yrs, $10m & $8m for 10 & 11) for Miggs. Still have a lot of change left over.

Rich, there is nothing wrong with being around cows and goats. It is better than investing time in the Tigers this weekend.

A few years back, I regularly visited a local farm and bought goat’s milk. Call me strange, but I am a fan of goat’s milk. Back then, I even got a chance a few times to see the goat’s that were providing the milk.

I grew up in the city so the farm stuff is kind of interesting to me.

The current playing roster will cost an absolute minimum $115m for 2010 assuming Magg’s $3m buyout option is taken up. Taking a more realistic approach considering so many players are up for arbitration, the figure will be close to $125m, still without a $10-12m outlay for a closer.
The comments made by management some time ago that the Tigers are buyers represents short term bravado and definitely doesn’t reflect the huge losses the organisation will make this year and next. The comments are probably intended as a smoke screen that the Tigers are not desperate sellers in a buyers market. An organisation that struggled to spend $4.25m for Lyon as a closer doesn’t suddenly find an extra $10-15m.
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We have so few trade pieces available yet so many holes to fill identified previously on the Blog. We lack on field leadership, left hand bats and sustained clutch hitting. Money for a closer wouldn’t go astray either.
Miggs is too slow and cumbersome to ever be a complete ball player and his power outage under pressure the past 2 months a serious concern for a player that will cost you $82m over the next 4 years.
Few teams can afford $20-21m a year for one player. Even with Manny, the Dodgers dropped payroll in 2009 and have the ability to pay for Miggs with Pierre representing an expensive bench warmer. Loney is hitting .276 overall (.306 L and .266 R) .346 OBP and .299/.398 for RISP. Pierre is .318 overall (.361 L and .303 R) .377 OBP and .349/.423 for RISP. $9m left in the bank is too could a possible trade like this to miss.

As far as field leadership, I think Brandon Inge kind of claims that title. Carlos Guillen sure was in ’06. He was considered the heart of the team and voted MVP by the Detroit media. He’s a heckuva player when he’s healthy. I’m not holding my breath that Carlos will be the Carlos of old, but he sure could hit.

Jackson and Verlander must just be sick, that also this weekend I guess includes French. They are pitching their butts off and the rest of their team isn’t out their doing the same. Rather pathetic really. I am sure they wish they were on any team but this one, has to be really discouraging for them??
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At least Twins and White Soxs lost yesterday, and we can’t lose today.

What a horribly anemic offense we have right now. Sure we have tons of talent and potential, but these guys are paid for their production, not their potential. Terrific pitching by all 3 starting pitchers in NY – in fact, every pitcher but Zoom did their job quite nicely. I am confused by Zoom and by players who have pain and don’t report it – mainly pitchers.

I know Carlos probably isn’t the answer, but he can’t have a worse bat that half of our lineup at this point. I am bummed though, we are going to the Mud Hens on 8/2 and was hoping he would be rehabbing there to see him in person, sounds like he is ahead of that schedule. Might need to get there sooner.

Tigers batting averages with Runners In Scoring Position
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Granderson 217
Cabrera 272
Polanco 299
Inge 310
Ordonez 306
Laird 229
Everett 237
Anderson 333
Santiago 306
Thames 229
Thomas 367
Raburn 267
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Interesting huh???
GK

Random thoughts:
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I AGREE with Leyland when he says the Tigers should hold an Old-Timers Day/Game. When the 1968 squad appeared at ’68 Night last season, they looked as if they could suit up and go a couple of innings. I attended a Phillies game at the old Vet in 2003 and they had a game featuring the 1993 WS team. Everybody loved it and, since I remembered quite a few of their guys, I enjoyed it too. I recall the biggest cheers went to former closer (and famous loser on the Joe Carter “touch ‘em all” homer) Mitch Williams, who you see now on MLB Network.
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YOU KNOW IT’S GOING BAD when you have Granderson on third with one out and when Polanco gets drilled, you think that’s a bad thing with your 3 and 4 guys coming up.
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I’M WONDERING how the rotation will shake out this weekend. Obviously we’ll have Verlander, Jackson and Porcello, but who will be the 4th starter? I think that decision hasn’t been made yet.
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–Rich

I’m not sure what constitutes desperation more than this weekend, but here goes:

http://trades.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/07/tigers_trip_exposes_offensive.html

-Tracey

GK, what is worse about Miggs RISP stats of .272 is he is 4 for 36 ( .111) for June/July. Makes you wonder what was in his wheatties in April/May when he went 18 for 45 (.400) for RISP??
During this period, just about every Inge error has been due to poor range and skill/application at 1st base.
Since Miggs had to play through the leg strain, he has failed to deliver.

Dave, I’ve been hearing about Cabrera’s RISP numbers, and you’re dead on about him failing to bail out the infielders on throws.
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Since so many seem to be underachieving, I have to wonder if that goes back to the manager. Leyland has somehow gained a very solid reputation over the years, but so had Renteria and Sheffield. Has JL taken a lousy team and made them play better for a half, or has he taken a talented team and mis-managed the whole thing? Or does it have nothing to do with him at all?
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As we near the end of July, the trends are beginning to take hold. If this club is unable to come through in pressure situations, that doesn’t bode well for what will be a very pressure-laden September. They’ll have to win some huge games to accomplish anything.
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I’m probably speaking too soon, as we should know more by next Sunday night.
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–Rich

Rich, I think conservative management has had a big role in the extended slumps – you have to make things happen rather than waiting for the big hit. The squeeze plays were huge adrenaline lifters. Only 2 stolen bases in 3 games you are 1 for 26 and lose by 4 runs is a clear sign management is back on its heels watching in the dugout.
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Up to a few weeks ago, we were way ahead in winning the close games, probably more a case of hanging on rather than coming from behind.

While I disagree with some assessments regarding Jim Leyland and this being his fault. Could he do a few things a little different?? Maybe, but come on guys he 4 of his top guys way under performing?? Can you imagine the games if just Polanco, Granderson, Cabrera and Maggs were performing anywhere even close to what you would expect?? What is JL suppose to do about that?? Guys like Anderson, Raburn, Everett, Thomas and Laird are performing about where you would expect them to, the problem is not really them. Plenty of winning teams have guys like that on their teams and can score runs. The problem is Maggs, Miggy, Granderson and Polanco they are horrible. I keep hearing about small ball, but the fact of the matter is small ball to me is when you use guys to get over into scoring position. We HAD GUYS IN SCORING POSITION and it didn’t matter they not only couldn’t get a single to get a run in they couldn’t even get a freaking sac fly?? So small ball wouldn’t have done much in my opinion. Besides Miguel on first you need two hits to get him in and they obviously can’t do that. So small ball????? Just my
opinion.
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So again what is Leyland supposed to do ground them, fine them, what. These guys are paid a hell of a lot of money to do these things and they just aren’t doing them and I don’t know what Leyland is supposed to do about that. In my opinion the realy problem is that DD put a lot of money into a lot of pitchers that aren’t even playing in the majors right now. So even if there were bats or arms to be had out there, why would Illitch ever give him the authority to spend anymore of his money.???
GK

sklant says:
So again what is Leyland supposed to do ground them, fine them, what.

I’ve been saying this for a few years now. Pay them on a “piece rate” basis. You produce, you are paid your (obscene) salary. You don’t produce, you don’t get paid. Plain & simple.

It’s so hilarious when a player admits he didn’t get the job done. I keep waiting for that player(s) to then say: “deduct this game from my salary”. We NEVER hear them say that do we! In most other jobs you don’t produce – you don’t get paid, or are fired! Maybe it’s time to “fire” some of them!
Lee

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