D-Train's command woes

According to research on baseball-reference.com, Dontrelle Willis is the first Major League pitcher to allow at least five runs without a hit since then-Angel Mark Hutton on Aug. 20, 1995. He walked four batters, hit another one, then watched Anaheim’s bullpen clear the bases.

The last pitcher to reach that statistical anomaly while still pitching at least two innings in a game? Try the great Sandy Koufax, who did it on June 3, 1958.

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i thought you were gonna say he was the first pitcher to do it since.. dontrelle willis 2008

That was a very predictable outcome, wasn’t it? Anybody think we could have won if Miner had started instead of Willis? This organization needs to decide if they want to promote the well being of one individual or win games. We don’t have a powerful enough offense to run these experiments.
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Get Thames, lose Cabrera. Unlike 2006 when every break went our way, we’re getting no breaks this year. The team has gotten to where they are by sheer grit and determination. It can be a trying experience to watch them, but this is how this season is going to go. I think we knew this coming in. Next up, the Angels.
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–Rich

As much as everybody enjoyed the speed aspect of the offense this year, we need some power right now to get something going. I think Thames could be a big help right now if he’s hitting and I wouldn’t mind seeing Wilkin Ramirez get another shot for a longer stretch than just one game.

The worst thing is that you told me this was going to happen, Rich. I signed on to this blog, for the first time, just the other day and talked about how Willis was worth a couple more starts after how great he looked in his 2nd start.

Today was a 2008 slap in the face. Im just glad this melt down wasn’t the ESPN game again.

unfortunately i wasn’t able to actually see the game to see how bad it truly was… Im in the Chicago market so I have to watch the Sox pretend they have a chance. Was today another case where his mechanics were all over the place, or was he just missing closely; constantly?

Something’s gotta give with Bonderman and Thames coming back. It’ll be interesting to see who gets bumped. Personally, as stated in another post, I’d like to see Thomas, Larish, Raburn, Miner and Sardinha all go. For good. They have been given their chance. They failed.
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Worst part about those guys is they have zero trade value. Galarraga could probably fetch something. Anderson, too. But I actually sorta like those guys. I’m thinking the one guy the Tigers have in their system that is somewhat expendable who would also net us a solid bat is Ryan Perry. Not sure if it’s the right move to trade him, but he’d certainly bring us the most in return. I’d like to see Dombrowski try for Adam Dunn. His nickname is Donkey!

since you guys seems to think that a slump has to be defined for all players as a certain number of at bats for all players no matter how long they’ve been slumping.. i took as close as i could to the last 25 at bats.. I did it before todays game for the original stats i posted so i did it both including today and before today. So inge will be the benefactor of a 3 for 4 day today.. which helped him quite a bit.

Inge – Before 5-25 .200 After 8-25 .320
Thomas – Before 6-26 .230 After 5-25 .200
Santiago – Before 5-27 .185 After 4-24 .167
Ordonez – Before 9-27 .333 After 9-26 .346
Cabrera – Before 5-27 .185 After 5-25 .200
Larish – Before 5-26 .192 After 4-24 .167
Granderson – Before 12-26 .462 After 10-25 .400
Raburn – Before 11-25 .440 After 10-23 .435
Everett – Before 4-25 .160 After 3-26 .115
Polanco – Before 4-25 .160 After 4-26 .154
Sardinha – Before 2-24 .083 After 3-26 .115
Laird – Before 6-27 .222 After 3-24 .125

Willis looked sharp the first two innings, but the patient Red Sox just waited for him to unravel. He hit Ellsbury with an 0-2 pitch (!) and that was the end of him. He reverted back to the 2008 Dontrelle. I just don’t see him coming anywhere near the consistency he’d need to be a productive starter.
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Naming five guys you’d like to get rid of with no mention of who takes their places doesn’t help much, other than to blow off steam. Blowing off steam is good too, though. In reality, this is the team we have through injuries that have taken place, are taking place, or will take place. It is what it is and we’ll have to enjoy this rather slow moving division race. A race we still lead.
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Adam Dunn is someone they could possibly obtain since the Nationals are in such dire need of pitching. They’ve got plenty of youngsters though, so they may want someone with experience. I don’t think you can con them into taking Robertson or Willis, but they may be interested in a package that includes Miner. This is just off the cuff conjecture on my part. At this point, the Nats may be more interested in getting butts in the seats than gaining prospects, and that’s where Dunnie comes in.
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–Rich

That’s a lot of numbers, Chad. :-)
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–Rich

The Red Sox are just the better team right now. And of course the Yank are even better than Boston. I don’t think Texas is for real, but the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim are right about where the Tigers are.
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It looks like Willis gets another chance, but I don’t like it. Great guy, but they should just release him and forget about it. They definitely did the right thing with Sheff in releasing him.
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Gallaraga is the bigger worry. When is he going to get going this year?

I suppose I was just venting there, Rich. That was a frustrating series, made more frustrating by bad managing and poor approaches by Clete (10 for his last 69, by the way — quite a lead-off guy!) and Larish (7 for 37 since his last homer on May 15), neither of whom are prospects. But it doesn’t really mean anything to throw out names on who I’d like to have replace them because, barring a miracle that would get a healthy Guillen back to the roster immediately, or a fantastic trade that would send Thomas, Larish, Raburn and Sardinha packing to anyone who would take them, or someone gives me a job where I can call up Wilkin Ramirez and give him regular ABs, then it seems like we’re stuck with this junior Tigers. Hopefully one of them will step up at some point over the next week. We could use some help.
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Anyway, I can be happy that one of the guys I named will be sent down for Thames. It’ll be nice to see Marcus after all this nonsense. If we could swing a trade for Dunn — you’re right, the Nats might need him for attendance — I’d never complain again. Not going to happen, though. Maybe we could get someone smaller — like Colorado’s Brad Hawpe. Apparently his name has been circulating, and he could help out with some left-handed power out of LF.
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Sweeps make me angry. I apologize.

Yeah, I know you were venting, Goodge, and that’s one of the reasons we’re here. I had a rant a few weeks ago, I seem to remember it being after the first Cleveland game, the one Pavano pitched.
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If I remember correctly, three of the five guys you named didn’t make the team out of spring training. Larish and Miner did. The rest replaced injured starters. Of the group, I think Thomas has the biggest upside. Good outfielder with a good arm, has speed, and has tried to fill in at some pretty important spots in the batting order. I think his hitting will improve over time and will become a dependable part of the team. I’d like to see him shorten up a little on that swing, as he’s done in the past. Raburn is who he is, very consistent in his performance, you know what you’ll get with him. Larish’s swing baffles me. He stands there like a statue but when he lets it loose, his head is all over the place. As someone said, Sardinha must be a fine catcher cuz he sure can’t hit. I don’t think he should be such an automatic out, but he seems to be. I do disagree about Miner. My opinion here is that he’s just been mishandled by JL and should be in the rotation, either ours or someone else’s. Today was the perfect example. Comes in, clears the bases, then delivers several strong innings. JL is trying to will him to be a relief pitcher but it just ain’t happening. I think any other manager in baseball would come in here and put him in the rotation in place of…………Willis. Not reliable. Galarraga, on the other hand, is capable of delivering good starts. He’s turned the corner.
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There’s always more comments after losses, which is normal. I expect plenty of them too, because this is going to be a real up and down season. :-)
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–Rich

at first, tuesday, i thought the squirrel was a bright spot in a terrible game.
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now, here it is thursday, and i think the squirrel is the angel of death. twice appeared at commerica, twice, ruined the tigers. colorado and boston.
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i hope to hell they have caught this furry demon and have performed multiple exorcisms in all the areas of the field in which the demon squirrel walked, nested, crapped, peed, or got drunk off the consessions after the games late at night.
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tigers need to take a page outta ‘Dodgeball: true underdog story’ by having rick knapp throwing the demon squirrel at the tigers in batting practice screaming ‘if you can hit a demon squirrel, you can hit a baseball!’
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lol…… just a little comedy in an otherwise pitiful week or two of tigers baseball.
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down with squirrels!
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mike

PS- the demon squirrel is also polluting the wings games. this little MF*r needs to be dealt with before the lions go 0-16 again. LOL!!!

Thomas and Larish are not prospects?
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They aren’t polished big leaguers, I will give you that, but Polanco is having a worse season than Thomas, Larish or Raburn. In terms of impacting any one particular game, they all have done that moreso than Maggs.
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If you think Thomas has a bad approach at the plate, you would hate Wilkin Ramirez. Remember his first few at bats (strikeouts) before he hit that homer? That’s usual for him.

Thomas and Larish are not prospects?They aren’t polished big leaguers, I will give you that, but Polanco is having a worse season than Thomas, Larish or Raburn. In terms of impacting any one particular game, they all have done that moreso than Maggs.

If you think Thomas has a bad approach at the plate, you would hate Wilkin Ramirez. Remember his first few at bats (strikeouts) before he hit that homer? That’s usual for him.

Wilkin Ramirez probably does need some more polishing at AAA, you’re right. And it is true that Raburn, Thomas and Sardinha are all injury-related call-ups. So it is hard to see other options, apart from a trade. I guess what I meant by Larish and Thomas not being prospects is that they’re a little older (26 and 25) and so are probably in the “what you see is what you get” category. Clete has good speed and a good arm and really hustles but he’s not dominant anywhere and his swing is pretty long. So he is probably more suited for the NL, where he’d be useful as a late-inning PH/pinch runner/defensive replacement on switches. Larish’s swing is just too wonky to have success right now, but sure, maybe he could put it all together and have a 20-25 homer year at some point, but it would be nice to see the Tigers do better than that at DH.
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I do agree that Miner is better (only?) suited to be a starter. In fact, if you could trade Galarraga to get a nice DH/LF lefty bat, I’d throw Miner out there as the fifth starter (assuming Willis doesn’t get it together). And Galarraga probably has more trade value. But I wouldn’t be surprised if we’ll need both Galarraga and Miner in the rotation at some point this year, what with Willis still being problematic, and Bonderman coming off a major injury, and Porcello being so young. It’s good to have pitching depth.
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Finally, Polanco is having a bad season, but he’s the best 2B we have, both in the field and at the plate. Ordonez is more of a conundrum, but at least his average is up. Hopefully his power is right around the corner. The Tigers need it.

Larish does have one of the weirdest batting stances I have ever seen for a guy in the big leagues. I think he might end up being a Russ Branyan type. The pre-2009 Russ Branyan.
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I wonder what Galarraga’s trade value would be? We got him for basically nothing last year. Do scouts think he is the G-Man of last year and this April, or the average AAA pitcher of 2007? He is cheap, and apparently has an option left, so that helps his value, both to the Tigers and to a potential trade suitor.
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I really hope Polanco comes around. Anyone else notice that he and Maggs seems to have switched approaches? Mags can’t pull a ball to save his life this year, and Polly seems to be trying to pull everything, rarely going to right as he did when he was hitting .350

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