Another two-strikeout inning for Zumaya

The numbers on Joel Zumaya from his rehab outing with Triple-A Toledo Wednesday night look pretty similar to Tuesday with a scoreless inning and two strikeouts. He gave up a hit this time, a two-out double down the left-field line off a mid-90s fastball, but ended the threat with a called third strike on Chris Barnwell.

Zumaya threw 13 of his 18 pitches for strikes.

Where he goes from here has yet to be announced. The Tigers will evaluate him once they’re sure he feels OK tomorrow, but his ability to pitch effectively on back-to-back days has always been seen as the last step to make sure he’s ready for the big leagues again.

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Oh man, I wonder how many tiger fans are going to have to eat their words if Zumaya comes back and shuts opponents down.

Come on back home to Detroit, Zumaya!!!

Short of trading Lyon I like the rest of the pen as it is so who’s job does Zoom take? I’d like Bonine to stay I am pulling for him with his Mom back at home fighting cancer. I think Rincon will be ok as well. Trade Lyon because he is a mistake. Trade Miner or Robertson when Bonderman is ready to return

This is a problem, Thames being out that long. I wonder if they should bring up Clevlen? .292 in 48 ABs and only 8 Ks. Jason, how does it work with Clevlen now, does he get more options or will he need to pass waivers again or what?
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I was doing some brief game look-ins this afternoon and tuned to the Giants just in time for the Renteria show. A grounder to his right that he cut off, then took two more stumbling steps to stop his momentum, which caused his throw to be too late. Classic Edgar, not an error but a single that shouldn’t have been. Then to really grind me, I watched Jurrjens throw 7.2 shutout innings at the Nationals this evening. Could be the worst trade in club history.
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–Rich

trade lyon? …who would give us something for lyon?

Man–I am really getting tired of watching these frustrating Verlander performances. He gets poor support from his fielders ( PLUS crappy scorekeeping), and exacerbates the issue by throwing too many pitches and too many fastballs.
He deserved better last outing but fell apart. He fell apart again today after that ball Raburn dropped. He absolutely has to learn how to overcome adversity becasue he seems prone to it.
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How can they give a double on that ball hit to Raburn? That’s absurd. Did the umps and the scorekeepers go to “change the rules school” this year?

I’ll tell ya, folks, unless someone can figure how to stop opposing hitters from hitting so many 2-strike foul balls, Verlander will never be anything more than a frustrated, five-inning pitcher. It’s confounding. This has been going on forever.
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–Rich

Clevlen would have to be added to the 40-man roster again to get back here, which wouldn’t be a problem since I believe the Tigers still have an open spot. He would have to pass through waivers again to be sent back down later.

Good question, Trade Lyon for what or who? The same goes for either Miner or Robertson.
Also what about Willis? Where would you put him?
If you ask me, I frankly think he should go back to the National League? He likes to hit. How about the Cubs?
Interesting?

By the way, that was a 36-pitch opening inning for Verlander.

Give the Angels hitters credit for making Verlander throw a endless amount of pitches. Again. Verlander has to learn how to avoid this scenario.
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Raburn being called up really irked me. you want to replace Thames then call up Hessman or Ramirez or Clevlen. Raburn is a strikeout waiting to happen. He will never hit .260, up in the show–even in the NL. I don’t get it. At least with Hessman there is a clear and present danger to contend with.

Thanks Jason. I was interested in Clevlen coming up in the interests of a tighter defense and that Raburn play sure bore that out. Hessman doesn’t play outfield so he’d be pretty much a DH and we’d lose flexibility. I knew Leyland would immediately start plugging Raburn in there. I’d rather have Anderson, LH pitcher or not.
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This game looks gone already. Wait a minute, nice pickup, Maggs.
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–Rich

Rich, I think your being overly optimistic about JV being a 5 innings pitcher!!!
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I don’t understand how Raburn got the start hitting only .255 at AAA with 5 HR’s the only good thing amongst his regular strikeouts. Why wasn’t Anderson put in batting .353 from only 17 at bats without an error??? He is more than capable to handle lefties.

Anyone care to hazard a guess as to how many pitches Raburn’s miscues have cost Verlander?
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–Rich

The fascination that JL has with Raburn is not that he is an outfielder. he like the fact that he COULD play 3rd, 2nd and in the back of the pea brain, even catch. JL is a utility player lover and the “versatility” buzzword had been etched in his brain this year., ever since he copped to using it as the excuse to dump Sheffield.
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The fact is versatility means nothing if you don’t do it well and you can’t hit.
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If the official scorer doesn’t change the scoring on that ‘double” in the 1st then his competence has to be questioned.

Scrappy ballclub we got here. I like this.
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This is the first time a LAA pitcher has given up more than four runs this season.
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Dan, there was a play in Seattle where they scored a single on a wild throw to firstbase. That one where Ordonez scored from second, I think.
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–Rich

Justin Verlander is a horrible pitcher and if I have to sit here for one more of his outings and hear how he is one of the best in the league I will shot myself in the head. He is not good and hasn’t been good for a while. He is unreliable and a head case. I automatiically assume that we will lose every game he starts.
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And by the way Raburns miscues cost Verlander about thirty pitches, and at least four runs. That being said Verlander is horrible. And if they give this dude a contract extension then they really have a screw loose.
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Can you tell that I am frustrated. Verlander is no ace he is at best a 5th starter.

Yes, the Raburn miscues cost Verlander extra pitches, but I think all the foul balls from Angels hitters have had a much bigger impact. Morales basically battled Verlander to get a secondary pitch, then pounced for the homer.

I don’t even know why I am staying up for this crap. Not to mention that umpire is a freaking idiot. And I am not even sure who these official scorers are. Everetts double wasn’t anything like a double and those plays by Raburn wow.

That Anderson run is the kind of run the Tigers couldn’t get last year, or the year before that. They’re huge here.

Yes Angels hitters fouled off a lot of balls, but my point is, is that a good pitcher can put these guys away and Justin cannot come close to it.

Anderson has been a great asset, I like him a lot.

Hard to imagine that Verlander could worsen his ERA coming into tonight’s game.
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He has to get rid of this pig-headed attitude that he can overpower EVERYone, ALL the time. I just think of Halliday and compare the inteliigence and style he displays to the Meccnano Man style of Verlander. What a waste of a gifted arm to be attached to a block-head.

Anderson has been a great asset, I like him a lot. Thank god Justin is out of this game. Lets see if Rincon can do as well as he did on that miserable day against the White Soxs. I thought that the Angels weren’t hitting???? Nothing like Tiger’s pitching to get a team hitting again. Coming into this they barely had AVG’s about 200.

It’s definitely the foul balls with Verlander. And it happens time and again. He’s become, incredibly, the weak part of the rotation. I think he’ll mature at some point, and I wish he’d get on with it soon. Still young
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They need to keep Anderson in there. Good young ballplayer. He brings a lot.
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Starting to look like Rincon is headed for Toledo this weekend. Okay, got out with no further damage, but still not good.
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GK, I’m sending you a stiff drink. Look for the UPS truck. :-)
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–Rich

Thanks Rich – this game (actually the last two games) have been very frustrating. Galarraga I’ll give him a pass. And frankly he only allowed three runs. But the umping – the score keeping, Justin Verlander. It drives me nuts. Especially when you are staying up way past your bedtime for this garbage, ya know????

This I do like in this series, Guillen and Granderson look like they are starting to get it together.
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Pretty smart of those guys running out on the field. All it did was give the pitcher more time to warm up in the pen. HA HA

Come on Laird, you are due and we need this bad. Please don’t hit into a double play.

You have to like the way the guys hang in there and keep battlling. It’s a battle of the bullpens and we may actually have an advantage here. It sure ain’t 2008 anymore.
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–Rich

Ya this is going to be who’s pen is worse??

the miscues in this game by both sides have been real bad. They certianly aren’t helping their pitchers at all.

Polanco’s hit that was lucky. What do they say better lucky than good sometimes (although I think that Polanco is good.
Oh Magglio

Hope that inning ending DP doesn’t come back to haunt us. Up to the pen now. Seay, Perry, Rodney.

OK we are up again. 3 runs in this kind of baseball atsmosphere doesn’t mean much though.
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Yes. Ordonez is getting his singles. But c’mon, how smart is it to swing at the 1st pitch with the bases loaded? i mean if there was 2nd and 3rd–OK but with Maggs having no legs at all it is simply dumb baseball. yes, I’m down on Maggs because i think he is a selfish ballplayer.

Yes a double play, there is a god !!!! This game is going to last forever.
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Stole an inning there with Perry. I don’t see him throwing his slider at all once the team left Florida. He’s going to need that. If the plate ump is calling the low strike, however, Ryan has a big advantage.
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–Rich

What an amazing game – hopefully no more twists with 6 outs to get!!

Amazing game, thats a word for it. I stick with my opinion of Verlander he is not that good, I don’t know if he was just lucky those first few years or what. But I really believe that the worst thing that ever happened to him is that no hitter. I don’t know if his head is just so big he thinks that he is invincable or what. I know that you have to have an ego, but Chuck Hernandez isn’t here anymore for anyone to blame. He is going to have to figure it out real soon.
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Nice job by Bobby, now we will have Rodney to look forward to in the ninth.

Nice Inge. – no web gems today, but the homerun is good.

Getting late even for the night owls. My bedtime is in ten minutes. Come on, Fernando. No postgame comments tonight.
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–Rich

Well ya gotta like the double play – but Rodney did have ball three, there is no doubt, and then a single. GO figure, the guy should be out of it and here we are still up.

I mean Rodney had strike three, and now a blooper. Come on Rodney you can do it.

Unbelievable, a two run single and the tying run at the plate. Umpire we should be in bed it was strike three, three batter ago. Poor Rodney this is crappy.

Little to hairy for my liking. Rodney struck they guy out (and it was obvious) and a few bloops and a screamer down the line and it was a little too crazy, but a win is a win and I will take it all day long. Am I not to proud to say that I prefer a stress free blowout all day long. These kind of game are infuriating.
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GOOD NIGHT ALL
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GK

Wow , what a team effort to pull off the win. So many great efforts, the top order getting it together, Everett making the plays in the field and with the bat. and then there is Binge to top it all off!!! Rodney even came through the ump’s attempt to keep LA in it.
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LA umpiring thus far has been a disgrace only topped by the scorers. I was beginning to think they were not calling errors as long as you made a reasonable effort. This logic was removed with Aybars 2nd error, sorry attempt to make a catch which was so bad it wasn’t even funny given the hour. When umpiring makes such biased bad calls, giving team management the right to appeal say 3 calls a game is not unreasonable.
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Who made up the schedule with another late game tonight followed by KC the following evening??

verlander probably would be a good closer if he only had to pitch an inning. they need a veteran starter.

verlander pitches like zoolander. they need a veteran starter

Lots of credit to you guys for staying up and watching the game. I waved the white flag when it was 7-5 and they still had no outs. I was amazed to see the final score. Verlander just looks lost out there – the tv guys said he looked shell-shocked and I think that was a good description. It is like he can’t believe the mixture of the bad plays that seem to happen behind him and the fact that guys are hitting him. I sure hope he can turn it around. His pace of play drives me nuts – I like to see the game move along, but he always seems like he is pitching too fast. He might think that works for him, but he maybe should rethink that.

Glad to see some clutch hitting again and a ballclub that keeps chipping away and doesn’t give up. Way too much back and forth yesterday on the score, could be an overly exciting season.

ZooLander sums it up very well! Begining to think, Verlander needs to go on DL, he’ll be soon suffering anxiety disorder. He has to learn how to mature into a pitcher.

Its the cross over time for him, you no longer are going to blow your ball past the hitters, they are expecting and timing you. They aren’t touching the crappy chase after pitches, and he’s throwing too many 2-2 counts. Teams are getting in his head, and causing him to get sloppy, not crafty with his pitches. Lets face it, all teams watch films on pitchers, and if the batters are hitting him, Justin must learn how to correct, and compensate, just like Kenny Rogers would, and regain the edge over them

Its unfortunate when a player hits into a double play, but when bases loaded,5 runs score, 1 out, Maglio-Why? hit swing at the first pitch… OMG! Infuriating. You see that from a young guy, not a veteran. The guys in the Halos’ dugout prayers must have been heard.
Awesome night for many Tigers! Curtis, Guillen,Inge, and Everett. I wish they could have played Ramon, but last night, ANderson and Everett played well too. I miss Santiago in lineup. Dang! It’s to stay up and catch a games like that.

jim

I thought I was watching my grandsons little league baseball game. It good to see the bats starting to come together and produce runs. Justin I believe is just totally messed up in the head right now. There’s no doubt he looked as though he was in a fog. I think putting him in the pen for a while to find his self wouldn’t hurt. It drives me nuts to see these guys just keep thowing balls instead of strikes, they are trying to be to fine. Watch how these guys throw these days. They should get some old Jack Morris or the Birds films out and discover that they didn’t waste so many pitches in those days. Its no wonder hey get to tired to early.

About Verlander. He’s a very talented by somewhat bullheaded youngster who’s been successful at every level including little league. Hitters have adjusted to him and he’ll need to make his own adjustments, which I believe he has tried to do to a point. The reason why he gets less than adequate defense is that he throws too many pitches and the fielders get back on their heels. And I think he needs to throw a real changeup, rather than 97 mph followed by 93 mph. He’s becoming a two-pitch pitcher and he needs to stop guys from fouling off his pitches. Bottom line, he’s too good to give up on and I believe he’ll find it one of these days and become a truly great pitcher. It happens all the time. For now, you just suffer along like a parent with an intelligent child who gets bad grades.
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Raburn lost that second one in the lights, to be fair, but he appeared to be reacting wrong in the first place. I wish they’d brought up Clevlen but the damage is done now. I think that was Raburn’s last option. You look at him in right and Guillen in left and you’re left to wonder how much our defense is improved on those nights.
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My favorite play of the night? It was Cabrera, blowing a big bubble as he smoothly scooped up a grounder and trotted over to the bag for the putout. El Gato Grande’, playin’ the game.
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–Rich

If i didn’t know better I would say Verlander is tipping his pitches somehow. After the first time through the lineup or so, they seem to know what’s coming. Baseball tonight did a thing the other night about how pitchers (even good ones) sometimes hold the glove differently on certain pitches. All those foul balls……hmmm.

I chuckle Rich, I saw that one too!… How at ease Cabbie is playing…
My favorite, was the multiple times, the old man was running his butt off trying to steal second (Maggs), and Cabrera looked smug, enjoying the foul tipped balls, and Maggs had to keep returning to first. I bet you guys he would have loved saying something in spanish out there, to Maglio, but skipper Leyland would have had a fit ! Later on, they showed Maggs in dugout, winded and smiling saying something to somebody. He got his workout, even playing DH!

IT seems to me and others JV dosen’t have what it takes to be called the “ace”of the staff , we really ! need BONDERMAN and Zoom ZOOm to come back soon! I think some if not all will agree with that.

Hi Rich,Dave,Tiger Girl,Mopar and all the rest of us Tiger fans.Been out of commission since last July.Good to see Jason still has it up and going…………………..JV`s 95+ fastballs looking flat and straight.Wonder if he cut a little off,if he wouldnt get a little more movement?…………..Noticed in his start before yesterdays start that he was he was pitching kinda backwards.Most power pitchers establish the fastball to get ahead in the count and then get them to chase an off speed or breaking pitch for the out.He was missing with the breaking pitch and the hitters were sitting on his fastball.Last night he threw mostly fastballs.Wonder if that is the only pitch he trusts right now?………..Love Anderson and Everrett.Jackson looks like he might be something special……….This team is 200 percent better than last years,I really believe……………Bruce

Was it last season that there was talk that JV was tipping pitches? You all might be correct on that. I didn’t notice the interaction between Maggs and Cabrera so much, but did notice the other night when Cab was up to bat and there was a ball in the dirt but right in front of the catcher. Cab held up his arms to tell Maggs to stay at first, but the way he did it looked totally smart ***, knowing full well Magglio could never make that base. Stuff like that makes me chuckle and I would love to be a fly on the dugout wall to hear what really goes on – so many times Inge has a little smirk after he makes a play and I wonder what is so funny.

Glad to have you back Bruce and I love the flurry of activity now that the season is in full swing.

I hope JV finds his groove soon, the team needs him. I agree, that for now, people should stop calling him the Tigers ace.

Rich, you sound like you are enjoying Miggy as much as I am. He looks like a big kid out there having fun. That guy is a rock star & so much fun to watch. He has this mischievous smile that gives away his fun loving nature. May he always be a Tiger. Love the tag El Gato Grande’.

Here’s hoping they play their best now that they are heading towards so many games against their own division.

GO TIGERS

Well, DKBUIAK – you are right we have a lot of games coming up against the division. I think that this weekend is going to be tough. GREINKE and DAVIES are two really tough pitchers and since Grienke seems to have straightened out his emotional problems, well, we have not hit him well at all (no one has). Sunday it is Ponson and Galarraga hopefully that one will go well.
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I agree Cabrera is worth the price of admission and I like his attitude and his spirit in which he plays the game. I don’t know how you can sit Anderson he is making things go right now.
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Cannot believe that Magglio doesn’t have an extra base hit yet.????
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Here is hoping that we can get to this miner league call up tonight.
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GO TIGERS
GO WINGS

Hey there, Bruce, nice to hear from you again. JV threw a lot of fastballs Friday night the first time through the order, but his curve was also working. Last night it wasn’t. In speaking about Verlander, I’m thinking of Ed Harris in “Apollo 13″ who asked the flight team “What have we got on the ship that’s good?” What we have is a guy who’s never injured, takes the ball every five days, gives you five innings for better or worse, and often leaves with the game still in doubt. Not an ace by any means, but he’s putting pressure on himself, as Leyland says, and we fans seem to fall into the same trap. He’s far from our best pitcher and we’d all have a lot more hair left if we looked at it that way. :-) Forget about going deep into the game, Justin, just go at ‘em with your best stuff. Pitch counts be damned.
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Minor leaguer tonight, hey? Okay, be patient enough to see what he’s featuring before hacking away, but aggressive enough to keep him from settling into a comfortable and confident groove. Sounds easy enough, doesn’t it? Who wants to hit first? :-)
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–Rich

Hello fellow Tiger fans, I have never been a blogger before however I figure a fan away from home I’m due, not to mention there appears to be a number of knowlwdgeable fans blogging here. You will be hearing from me soon and often.

Go Tigers! We need yet another great perfomance Edwin…

Rich, I started losing my hair long before JV gave me a reason to. He sometimes makes me want to tear out what is left! We can all see that if Verlander can put together a nice season, with Jackson and Armando following and a young stud in Porcello contributing, this is a team that can make some noise. That is what is so frustrating–seeing a guy with a lot of natural ability self-destructing time and time again. There will come a point somewhere down the line where Nate is going to say, “Hey, give me another chance.” How patient do you think JL is going to be if Verlander goes another 2 or 3 more outings like we’ve seen this year? Maggs, Polly, and Carlos aren’t getting any younger–we’ve gotta win this thing this year or next.

–Ed

I think that is what is so frustrating about Justin – We KNOW that he is better than what he has been showing the last year or so?? ISN’T HE??????? Or were we just fooled into it?? I don’t even know anymore. Like in Seattle he looks unhittable for a while anyway and in his start against Texas although he didn’t win he still kept us in the game. His two other starts were a aweful???
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Really though for the most part I like what I am seeing so far in this very early season. Inge is making great plays. In fact on Web Gems I heard them say are we going to get an INGE tonight???? He is also hitting the ball well. Curtis is starting to come around as well as Guillen. Cabrera is good. I do believe that our defense is better than last year, and as much as I loved Pudge our catching is better. Not as many passed balls or wild pitches..
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Now if we could just get Justin straightened out.???? It looks as though Zumaya will be back soon, and hopefully that will be close to the Zumaya that we all loved and not the injured one.
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GO WINGS
GO TIGERS>
GK

As Jason pointed out in his articles, wins like last night happen about once every 10 years. You can’t win them all in baseball but the team this year is sure winning games it shouldn’t and going close nearly all the time.
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Team chemistry is alive and kicking with most of the guys seeming to just love playing out there with their team mates. If JV learns to uncomplicate things and just get with the flow, he will come around. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Willis also thrive in this environment.

Welcome Edwin!

duh, I”m an idiot, I meant welcome Stallworld!

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