Dontrelle goes 7 1/3, takes loss Sunday

He allowed four runs on six hits with two walks and six strikeouts. He basically kept Lakeland in a 2-1 game going into the eighth with seven straight batters retired — and no hits allowed since a two-run double in the third — before he gave up a leadoff homer and then walked the next batter. It’s his deepest outing to date, and statistically, probably his most encouraging.

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It is too bad this thing with Willis isn’t working out. I don’t know any of his history pre-Tigers, but to be in Single A and still giving up that many runs makes me wonder if we’ll ever see him.

Just a few comments from the weekend. Another great series for Miguel, incredible hitting! And thanks Nate for a terrific performance. I want to tip my hat to the crowd yesterday, they gave Nate a standing ovation as he left the game. I hate to hear boos but am happy to see the fans support Nate and show they appreciate a good outing and can recognize it when they see it.

I hope we sweep the Jays, but will take a series win, it is unrealistic to think we’ll win every game. But there is still time, we can gain 1.5 games per week and be right in there at season end. Am I way too optimistic? yes I am and I am also realistic and think it probably won’t happen but I won’t poo-poo the thought, the Tig’s looked good this weekend.

Oh, and that article on Sheff – I hate that kind of attitude. He is giving himself an excuse to not be good because of being the DH and an excuse to not be a leader. That is crazy, each AL team has a DH and some of them are probably leaders and also have good numbers despite not being in the field. He can give a ton of leadership with his years of experience and I gotta believe the younger players would be willing to listen if he chose to take on a role, especially with whoever is on the bench with him while the Tigers are on the field.

Too bad about Dontrelle. I suppose we just have to hope he can do something next year he is probably gone for the year is my guess.
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A agree Tiger Girl I was at the game yesterday and I don’t like the boos. I have said it before and I will say it again. It started with Grilli and Jones last year and it has only gotten worse this year. I don’t like Sheffields remarks either but, in my opinion he is just trying to posture himself for something next year. I think that he probably see’s his time is limited here. I also cannot blame the guy for wanting to play more, but that is not his job here and he will just have to get over it. But the boos are tacky, and frankly even though I do not participate in those boos it makes me feel cheap for all those that do it. Those people are just the fairweather fans who just started showing up to the ballpark in the last year or so. Drunk tacky jerks.

Re Sheffield, very perceptive, Tiger Girl. Right on. I will say one thing on a positive note about him. He flew a couple of the rookies down to Florida on the plane he shares with several other athletes, so he’s not a total ogre. Not much, I know, but worth mentioning. At least that makes him better than Denny McLain. :-)
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Re the standings. The Tigers would have to go 32-13 to reach 90 wins. This same group has already rolled off a 28-13 run this season, and not all of that was against the NL. They also have a schedule advantage, so it might not even require 90 wins.
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Impossible, no. Improbable, yes. But not yet time to give up entirely.
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–Rich

GK, that’s exactly what I observed during my visit to Comerica this season. As far as boos and this article go, those people yesterday hadn’t even read that article yet. Wait till tonight! It will be ugly.
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–Rich

I also agree with you guys that the booing is awful. It reminds me of YANKEE fans!!! YUCK!!! I did’nt see the game yesterday but am assuming they were booing Sheff. I must say I guess if they’re going to boo, at least it is him. I am one of those people that unlike JL, believe in team chemistry. I also believe that with Sheff here there is a major wrench in that chemistry. The only big run they had this year was done mostly without him. He always has some type of controversy surrounding him. That article was typical Sheffield! Blame everyone, everything but not yourself! I’m with you Tiger Girl, I have’nt lost hope yet. And as improbable as it is, I at least hope we get to see some good baseball in the next 6 weeks. As far as Willis goes, I a one of the few that thinks we will definetly see him back next year. He has alot of heart, and that sometimes goes along way. I hope they are working on his fundamentals and that is why he is still not up to par. Starting fresh may take awhile for him to get under wraps. GO TIGERS!!! -Stacy

At least Dontrelle has really cut back on his walks over the last few outings and , come to think of it, at least he is now gettting more or less regular starts!
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I don’t know how he gets the ball over the plate and throws with any kind of accuracy with his unusual delivery, but he has in the past and been very effective. Not time to give up on him yet. He may not be an answer this year and that is a shame, but he may be a lefty to replace Nate and Kenny next year.
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No further comment on Sheffield. I think it is obvious to all what needs to be done.

Jason, it’s nice to have a new entry! Thanks.

Espn SC reported the same points .. sheff not happy with platooning … wants to help contending team .. looking at all his options….
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Maybe more than anything, the boos might be getting to him.
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Dan/Rich … it was nice to read the last few exchanges in the previous thread:) .. What a couple of good wins can do to our mood … me included :)

Two things on booing Sheffield. One, he has a reputation for rising to the challenge, so I would expect to see a big surge if that’s true. The other, and more important thing is this: the more he gets booed, the more JL will dig in his heels and refuse to sit him down. JL won’t stand for one of his guys being booed out of town. You think about it and you’ll know it’s true. So those huckleberries at the ballpark may be ensuring they get exactly what they don’t want. Kind of funny in a way.
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–Rich

Just what we need to make this team work eh? A guy who doesn’t produce but complains, and a guy who will play him in a pennant race just to show who is boss?
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There’s a prescription for discord if I ever saw one.

Take Discord, available by prescription only. Talk to your doctor about Discord.
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Guess not, that would involve chemistry, wouldn’t it?
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Here’s the bizarre twist this is going to take. With Thames injured, that opens leftfield for…….guess who?
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–Rich

Well Rich, probably Sheffield. Then he’ll probably play 2 or 3 games out there, re-injure his shoulder and spend the rest of the year on the DL and go somewhere else in the offseason.

Maybe he is trying to rise to the challenge … after the boos .. but can’t recover fast enough now, in THIS era … and he is more frustrated since his performance is dismal at best.
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Also, is it a coincidence that Thames hits a monster homer .. is not in the lineup since ? … and this grumbling bout Sheff’s platooning emerges. If he said that in the interview, I am sure he complained about it to JL/DD before going public.
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As Rich said, this clears the way for Sheff, by default .. to alternate between LF and DH, to say the least. With Thames in the picture, thats not happening.
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Maybe Thames being a team guy agreed to play along? This buys time for JL again … not to listen to fans … It’s something or the other to keep Sheff in the lineup … every time … EVERY TIME.

I don’t see that happening. Not after this issue has become publicized. JL simply cannot spin this to like it would be his own decision , even with the greatest amount of righteousness indignation he can muster.
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If Thames does go on the DL, it does provide JL with an easy way out of keeping Sheff as DH though. JL then leaves him in, says he needs Sheff to DH since his power hitting ‘regular” left-fielder is injured!
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The beat goes on.

I know from reading the blog that Thames is a favorite, but from what I’ve seen, Leyland uses him about as well as you can. Everytime he gets regular playing time, he goes into a huge slump because he gets exposed. He hits best when put in a position where he has a good chance to succeed and I think JL does a great job there. Thames is a good part time player who can add a lot of pop when used that way.
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As for Dontrelle, even I think this is probably reaching too far, but another pitcher was sent down to Single A to relearn his mechanics and it worked out pretty well. Anyone hear of Roy Halladay? Would be a miracle if it worked out that well, but there is a precedent.
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Regarding Team Chemistry, I think people have the cause and effect backwards. Chemistry comes from winning and losing, not the other way around. There are plenty of examples of men who were jerks and disregarded/disrepected their teammates yet the teams still won. I’m with JL, I’ll take talent everyday! I don’t have to like every player to root for my team.

I believe someone said earlier, that they were surprised that after Thames had hit that monster homer on Friday hadn’t been in a game since. And that really isn’t true he was in the game on Saturday and went 0 for 4 with one strikeout. He wasn’t in the game on Sunday, but I am not sure why. When we got to the park he was listed on the board as playing and when they went out on the field Raburn was in left and Inge was at third. Does anyone know what is going on??? I gather he is hurt???
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But the fact of the matter is that for how bad Sheffield is doing he still has been hitting a lot better than Thames in the last month or so. So if you all think that Sheff shouldn’t be playing certianly Thames shouldn’t. I believe that Sheff has hit just as many homer since the break as Thames. The fact of the matter is that Marcus is a great homerun hitter but not a great hitter.

GK, Thames is day-to-day with shoulder soreness. No, I’m not making that up.

BH, Thames was in the lineup Saturday night and hitting third. I was watching him and even mentioned to my wife that he appeared injured, then afterwards we find out that is indeed the case. I don’t think it’s a conspiracy or anything like that. Just coincidence.
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I would agree about Marcus being a part-time player except for the fact that he’s never been given the starting job for real. He’s always auditioning. Until that happens, I can’t say one way or the other if he’d be a good regular or not. And we probably won’t find out until either he’s traded or JL leaves.
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One problem with discussing “chemistry” is that everyone has their own definition of what it is. The 1977 Yankees had tons of chemistry, most of it bad. Whatever drives a team, I suppose. I’ve seen losing teams who would scrap to the death most nights, but they had what I consider chemistry. With Leyland, he’ll say he doesn’t believe in chemistry but will readily worry about a lack of cohesiveness. He blew off the law of averages thing Friday, but you can bet he was worried that the A’s would break out at any time. He’s just playing word games mostly. The fact is, this team has looked dull and listless on an inordinate number of nights this year.
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–Rich

Sheff has been a sore spot with me all season. He’s been given way beyond the benefit of the doubt when it comes to playing time, and now he spouts off that he’s not happy platooning.

In my opinion, he’s never been a Tiger- he’s been Gary Sheffield wearing a Tiger’s uniform. Now that our playoff chances are slim- no thanks to him- he wants to bail. Sayonara, I say.

Do I think it’s right to boo players who are struggling? No. Do I understand booing players who obviously care more about themselves than the team they are on? Yes.

Valid point, GK. Who do you replace him with? You can bring up Clevlen, but that’s not something a team that’s still technically in the hunt would do. I can’t find who said it, but I agree with whoever it was. How about Timo Perez to DH? LH bat, having his usual second half hot streak.
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Jobrocks (Tracy?), I tried defending this guy and this Boston Globe interview is what I get. You want to hear some booing, wait till tonight. How about we use the homer call from the spanish speaking announcers Saturday night? Goodbye, adios, sayonara.
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Look at all these comments on this one guy. Can anyone spell d-i-s-t-r-a-c-t-i-o-n? Niefi Perez and Dimitri Young combined didn’t get this much ink on this blog. Enough is enough.
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–Rich

As Rich said … Thames might or might not be an everyday guy, but he never got the chance … he was benched when hot … then again, when hot, he was benched “to clear his head” cuz he went off on an ump. JL said it’s unlike Thames … he needs to cool down. Problem is, the very same game, Polly went off on the Ump too … but that was never discussed. I have a post regarding that .. the day it happened. And how seriously does Sheff need to sit to clear his head?
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I like Thames and I LIKED Sheff until a few days back. I understood that he was injured .. and then understood that he can’t quit .. he has to play and try his best, as long as JL starts him. But now it’s a different ballgame. He is paid 14 Million .. can you believe it.
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IMO, JL has handled only 1 player correctly, Pudge. He alternated him and it worked. No other player has responded to JL’s antics. Rodney, Zumaya, Sheff .. you name it. He has handled most players badly.
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As an Organization, if we have the guts, Sheff should be gone this week. You bend over once for a player like this and it gets ugly. Manny Ramirez obviously played bad, commit errors, blow stop signs from the 3B coach .. until he had his way. Between all the drama, he was still producing. This guy doesn’t have a leg to stand on.
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Bout Chemistry .. you don’t need it when you are winning cuz everyone is happy. One bump on the road and thats when the Chemistry comes in. An average team or one going through difficulties need teammates who believe in each other, not an egotistic aggressive non performer who wants to bail out of this mess that he and his manager are responsible for.

I remember hearing comments about Rentaria being booed in Boston,and Grilli,last year, Todd Jones getting the same negative attention this year… myself being a fan, there is no reason to boo anybody. I have to ask, do these same people boo thier own, or the neighbors kids, when they go to an event, or a childs recital? There’s no reason for that.. thats poor sportsmanship. Maybe some argue, that ticket prices, or $alerys of these men are the cause, but its just ignorance. Pure and Simple.

If anything, encourage the them! How many guys are out there doing what he can do?
There is a hell of a lot of pressure on these men to perform, the way we all expect from them. I get frustrated seeing ER doing poorly, but give him benefit of the doubt, maybe his hamstrings have been bothering him longer than been reported.

I have to think that everybody that puts on a Tigers uniform , has pride and joy being part of the team. Pudge showed class when he came to Detroit! It pleases me to think of somebody like Brandon Inge, that cares enough for the team, that he bought a house in the area , so that he can raise his family here. Now thats a Tiger!…so many politics, I am sure we can blog till we are blue in the face, why some guys are “riding the pine”, while others should be, but aren’t.
Dontelle, may not make it back to pitch in the big leagues this year, but he does show some promise.. maybe next year will be his turnaround year.
I have to admit.. its taken some time, but the polish is starting to shine on Cabbie… still needs to trim down a little, to move alittle easier,or faster, but he is starting to make a beleiver in me, that he can field the position. And we all can see he can hit.. excellant pair up before or behind Ordonez.

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