Favre batting cleanup

OK, not really. I just didn’t want to feel left out. Will this story ever stop?

Sheff is getting the night off, though he says he’s feeling pain-free and his healthiest since early last season. Edgar Renteria is also getting the night off, replaced by Ramon Santiago. Magglio Ordonez gets a day at DH, while Marcus Thames and Matt Joyce handle the OF corners.

TIGERS (55-58)

  1. Granderson, CF
  2. Polanco, 2B
  3. Guillen, 3B
  4. Ordonez, DH
  5. Cabrera, 1B
  6. Joyce, RF
  7. Thames, LF
  8. Inge, C
  9. Santiago, SS

WHITE SOX (63-49)

  1. Orlando Cabrera, SS
  2. A.J. Pierzynski, C
  3. Carlos Quentin, LF
  4. Jim Thome, DH
  5. Paul Konerko, 1B
  6. Ken Griffey Jr., RF
  7. Alexei Ramirez, 2B
  8. Nick Swisher, CF
  9. Juan Uribe, 3B

191 Comments

Jason,
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I share your thoughts on the Favre saga. I wonder, how can people not see how selfish and immature he has been. I am so glad the Lions don’t have him .. better to lose than have such a player.
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Regarding the line .. it actually looks very good … on paper. Exactly what all the fans have been calling for. Just that i don’t think Renteria is as bad as Sheff, but the fact remains he has underperformed badly.
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Hope it works. After reading Bauman story on the tigers, I actually feel a bit bad for JL .. never thought i would. Some things have been beyond his control. Just wish he would have done better on what he could.

Bhavinmalaviya what story are you talking about and where can I find it???

Story is on tigers home page.

The thing with Favre that I’m glad about is that every damn time they talked about it on ESPN they would show stock footage of a Favre pass going right between two Lion defenders for a touchdown. It was the same and has been the same night in and night out for the last three weeks.

As for tonight’s line-up, like many of the faithful, I have emotionally checked out from this team. I will follow them and look at box scores but I won’t be ordering the baseball package like I had planned. Having followed this team for 40 years and been through the ups and downs, I will continue to follow them. But, I have to say this is more painful than the Trammel years. High expectations followed by dismal results. Goes to the idea that I’d rather get beat in a game 19-4 than lose 10-8 on a three run… oh forget it.

Eric–40 years is a long time and qualifies you as n expert. It is a shame to see someone so long a supporter be disappointed as you have.I have been a fan since I could walk. That goes back to the early and mid 50’s when Kuenn, Kaline, Bertoia, Lary, Bunning, Boone, Foytack, Evers, Maxwell and even Bubba Phillips were around!
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It hurts.
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Nostalgia quiz:
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Which Tiger has a lifetime ERA of 3.60 and yet never gave up a HR or even struck out a batter?

I give up, what’s the answer?

Whats the answer Dan. You’ve got my curiousity up

I was going to say Rocky Colavito, but I think he struck out a Tiger in his relief appearance with the Yankees in 1967. Ya got me.
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I did get the answer to last night’s Aflac question, Reno Bertoia.
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This has been probably the most difficult season in our lifetimes. I’m sure all the fans will regroup and come back strong. I don’t blame anyone for feeling beat down at this moment in time. I’m just an idiot who watches baseball. Not liking what I’m seeing, but I’ll always be watching. Conversely, I don’t go near a Detroit Lions game, and I used to be a seasons ticketholder.
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–Rich

The anser is……Ty Cobb!!
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Missed the afflack question yesterday Rich. What was the question?
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Reno Bertoia is from my home town and actually attended the same church that I did as a kid. His Mum and Dad grew some great grapes in their back yard!!

Never would of guessed him. Good question. You should submit questions to FSN for the trivia question.

The Aflac question was an Italian Tiger who played in the 50s and 60s and hit 16 homers. I went around the infield and found the answer at thirdbase. :-)
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–Rich

Grilli is Italian .. isn’t he?

Right. I remember him playing more at 2nd but he did get around.
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Rocky was great. I remember getting him from the Indians for Kuenn but I really remember him for the way he hit the ball and threw it. Ropes!
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Also his batting stance ritual. Dropping the bat behind his head and shoulders and then of course, the way he pointed the bat right at the pitcher.

Except for Thames and Inge, all our starters are hitting .275 and above.

These sox commentators are really biased. It’s one thing to pull for your team, but they cross all lines of fairness.
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About Inge’s hit, they credited it to the end of the bat coupled with a big swing that made the outfielder misjudge the play.
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The Konerko fly out was seemingly easy for thames since it was a broken bat, Thames can be sure it won’t go over his head. .. Huh ?
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Like my saying it or not.. these guys are laughable.

Man. Granderson’sAB really typified our season. All over Vazquez and pounces on a inside fastball with the bases loaded. Foul!
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Then he doesn’t even come close to hitting another pitch.
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An inch away from 4 runs then nothing!

It’s good to hear that Sheff is free from pain. However, watching his performance this season has been very painful. I honestly hope he gets it together, but I hope the Tigers are wise enough not to play him every day anymore.

That is a good one steve :)

That was a tough break on the Granderson foul ball, thought it was fair and gone off the bat for sure.
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That ball by Cabrera was one of the hardest hit of the year that I can remember. Reminded me of a Sheffield homer, just a rope.

BH–they are so bad they should probably be taken off the air by MLB. And my guess is that MLB has the power to do it.

Miner seems to have exceptionally good movement on his fastball so far, I like what I’m seeing from him.

Well, cautious optimism. After the 3 straight strikeouts it kinda feels that things may change here.
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Hope I’m wrong.
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BTW-my prediction is that Inge will not hit .200 this year.

Miner has done well in a starting role. Tonight they need to give him some more runs. The way things have gone this year, 2 runs is not enough.

That was some really nice pitching by Zach.

I did have to open my big mouth, but…..WOW! Miner strikes out Griffey and Ramirez with the bases loaded. Whew!!!

Just a question … cuz i am not 100 % sure on how options work. But if we know we want to rest Zumaya, Rodney and all our pitchers on the same day, then instead of putting too much pressure on our starter (JV did really good), why not option Zumaya, since he probably has options?, and get a fresh arm. Recall zoom after 2 days.
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Unless of course we have thrown in the towel. JV did an excellent job last night going 130 pitches. When the team knows we are short on BP help, the hitters might give up on the game beforehand.

Now thats the hustle we are looking for .. good job Carlos.

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When you hear that a player is “out of options,” that means he’s been on the 40-man roster during three different seasons, beginning with his fourth as a pro, and to be sent down again he’ll have to clear waivers.
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After three years as a pro, a player must be protected on a team’s 40-man roster, or he is eligible for the Rule 5 draft Once he’s served those three years, and assuming he is added to the 40-man roster, his club then has what are called “options” on him.

When a player is on the 40-man roster but not on the 25-man Major League roster, he is on “optional assignment.” One common misconception about the rules is that a player may only be “optioned out” three times. Actually, each player has three option years, and he can be sent up and down as many times as the club chooses within those three seasons.

Leyland needs to allow Minor to keep throwing as long as he’s getting people out.

These Chisox announcers are theee worst in baseball. At least, they annoy me the most!!

Oh cripe–here we go again.
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And the danger is that the club has stopped hitting and the bullpen has to come in.
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Miner will not be out for the 7th

Thanks Dan .. knew the option rules .. just didn’t know the 3 year rule.
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So is it 3 years in the system or 3 years on active roster in the Majors? .. Since you said pro, i assume the organization.

Jason has a piece on Sheff not being happy with the strike zone. Makes me feel that finally, the heat is on him.

BH–3 years on the 40 man roster, not active roster. That means guys like Hessman, Santiago and Seay are out. Obviously then, Zumaya is as well.
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Will have to read that article. Sheff has been giving the hairy eyeball tho the umps a lot lately. It is a sign that the skills are eroding, but the ego is not.

I’d be surprised to see Miner come back out. JL likes to limit him with the excuse he is “new” to starting.
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He will likely try to force the bullpen into saving one here. And I guess under the circumstances, it might be his only option to turn things around.

So Dolsi is the one we can option for a couple of days if he has to be rested ..
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Unfortunately, I feel Zumaya is going to be a weak contributor for the rest of the year. We do have to be careful with him, and the flip side is that we had JV throw 130 pitches yesterday, until the time he had a tough time throwing strikes. His line and effort would have looked better if we had the pen available.

Zoom pitches to low in the strike zone. wonder if he has he ever herd of the high hard one

Sheff’s logic is : .. The strike zone is inconsistent, so he hacks at more balls, and so his walks are down and his Avg. is down.
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Funny thing is it doesn’t seem to affect the other players who play the same game, with the same pitchers and Umps, on the same day. I can understand the walks going down, but hitting .220 cuz of that?
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I thought Sheff was much smarter than that .. to expect us to believe that.

Zoom can get away with throwing hign in the strike zone if he can ahead in the count. I do like to see him keep the ball down though and I think the HR that Swisher hit was a bit of an anomaly.
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Rodney, on the other hand, needs to be able to locate his fastball lower in the zone to maximize his effectiveness.
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Raburn up and I know Thamnes is truggling but to put him in as a defensive replacement in the 7th when Thames was due to lead off was exactly the kind of thing that JL has done to Thames (to keep him in his place), since 2006. I’m not saying Thames is the cat’s meow, but I am saying he has been seriously mismanaged. His confidence has been impaired by his manager.
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Do I want to see him as our regular LF? No. Because I think he will continually struggle. But I don’t think he has been treated fairly.
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Santiago picked a really bad time to have a bad game.
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I want to see Brent Clevlen up here and I want to see Ordonez dealt (when he has value) for a premiere starter.

JL leaving Seay in? I just shake my head!

2 areas of concern.
1. JL does not automatically take Seay out and
2. Say wants to be taken out!
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My my. It is definitely one of those years. Unless something is really wrong with Seay this is not a good sign. I think he should be taken out but he has GOT to want to take that ball.

If I remember correctly, the last time Rodney came in to replace an injured pitcher, it was ugly.
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Since the Tiger’s worst month, historically is August, and we have not won this month yet … i don’t have much hope.

Oh, boy. I can’t believe they are going to lose this game too. I’ve been a fan for over 50 years but have never been so disappointed. Add me to your list.

Boy oh boy. Is this ever a woebegone bullpen. They just melt when it comes to the point that you need them to take over. Nice catch by Raburn or the game is tied.
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I was really ticked when they didn’t go for Percival and Dotel.

And these guys said – the ball was hit too hard by Ramirez.. lollll

Ticked again. We have a guy like Granderson and we have to bunt to get him to 2nd?
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I like the bunt but I like Granderson standing on 2 when Polanco is hitting better.
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He has attempted to steal 12 times this year T-W-E-L-V-E!!
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This guy has power and has aksed to leadoff becasue of his speed. He stole 26 out of 27 bases last year. What the hell is JL doing? He is defining his team as not having any legs.
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It’s ridiculous.

Maggs burned Ozzie on that one .. :)

Is anyone on this blog UNDER 50 years old??? :-)
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How on earth did Maggs hit that pitch so far? Wow.
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Well, do you think Farnsworth can avoid giving up 5 homeruns? Probably won’t be in now.
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–Rich

Inge just want to get the game over with?

I figure they let Rodney close out. JL needs a closer. Rodney would get the save.

I am watching on Gameday tonight because I am blacked out here in Illinois. Did Inge really just watch three perfectly good strikes go by? Incredible.

It’s a crapshoot no matter who is in there!

Rich .. I am a bit inexperienced at 33 :)

and it starts

Tigers win! Thank you. I can sleep a little better tonight.

Now only if we continue to keep Sheff on the bench, we will have team chemistry :)

They did it!!

Inge “thinks” he can’t hit. Couple that with having a poor appraoch and bad technique–wll, like I say. I think he may be struggling with the Mendoza line this year.
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All that aside, well maybe not all of it, I( think Brandon as our catcher next year is an admission of being not serious about the season). Great game by Miner and it was good to see Carlos pick his game back up a bit at the plate.

Minor is looking like the # 3 man. Now we need to find a Lefty.

Zach Miner is a starter, pure and simple. I hope JL can tear himself away from that “good guy in the bullpen” idea. We may as well get something out of the FIRST Farnsworth trade.
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It is rather telling (of something) that we’ve lost the first two games of the last two Chicago series. They unconsciously let up on us in the finales?
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One thought on the never ending Sheffield saga: if the Tigers were to make some kind of miracle run, it would have to include Sheff contributing heavily. So you have to roll the dice, either play him or bench him altogether.
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It would be foolish to expect any such miracle to take place. What I would like to see is a run of good baseball. They owe us, the fans, at least that much. They’re set up for such a run with the forthcoming schedule. We’re not going to win anything this year, but I’m going to be expecting some positive things from this club for the next few weeks. I don’t want us to have to spend the next seven weeks or so griping about what they’re doing wrong. Let’s just play some ball here.
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–Rich

Jason, just read your article on Sheffield and the strike zone. It appears he’s not averse to offering his opinions. :-) Since you get quotes more clearly and concisely than the majority of MLB writers, this is worth discussing.
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On the one hand, I think Gary is only seeing his side of the issue. On the other, I think anyone who has watched the games this year will have to agree that this has been the worst performance of ball/strike consistency that we’ve ever seen. There’s rarely a night goes by that I don’t have multiple issues with the umpires behind the plate. These are umpires who excel in the field, but often fall short behind the plate. I don’t think I’m imagining this, and I’ve seen the bad calls go both ways. Sometimes I wonder how pitchers and hitters can perform at all with the total lack of consistency.
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While some of us don’t seem to have a very high opinion of Sheff, I do think that he has raised a valid point. I see nothing wrong with bringing it to light. He’s never afraid to do just that.
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Any thoughts on this? Anyone?
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–Rich

Well, if Sheff is feeling great and pain free, God help him and us too. If this is the best he can do when healthy, he might want to consider retirement. I hate to see him struggle, but it’s more agonizing for the fans. Wasn’t that a great catch by the “scrub”. Great win tonight.

BF “selfish and immature”? What are you smoking?

Rich I agree with you, I think that there is rarely a night that I don’t think that the strike zone is just horrible. Sometimes I sit in my computer room and watch the game and have gameday on the computer. And nine times out of probably 4 times out of ten it looks to be that the ump got the call wrong. And above all it seems to be rather inconsistent. And not always consistent between two teams. I think that it was the game with Robertson, (I think) he was really given the short end of the stick on the calls. So I think that Sheff probably has a point. HOWEVER
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Now I was looking at our teams hitting stats since the allstar break and actually since the break and only since the break, Sheff is hitting a more respectable (but still not great) .262 with 4 homers and 14 RBI’s. Only Magglio and Cabrera have more (this was before last nights game) Magglio battig .367 with 2 homers and 15 Rbi’s. Cabrera (on fire) with 25 RBI’s, 4 homers batting .329. So he is getting better, hopefully he can keep that up and even more. I do think that he should be like a catcher get a day off here and there though. .
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Regarding Thames I don’t agree with Dan and think he has been treated unfairly, just a difference of opinion. He has really struggled and is hurting the team right now. Now there are a lot of people on this blog who get upset when people who are not hitting are continually allowed to play. And while to a certian extent I agree with that I think that sometimes they need to be allowed to keep hitting to try to work through it. And I think that it is probably a fine line and I don’t pretent to know what that line is either. I don’t know Marcus was given 3 or 4 at bats last night and was miserable. You can tell that he is not seeing the ball at all right now. He just doesn’t have a clue. We need him to get out of it, if they are going to make this interesting and at least fun to watch.

I disagree about either playing Sheff every day or benching him. They can’t bench him! He’s a superstar. It’s like with
Frank Thomas. There’s the money and there’s his ego. You can’t just bench him.
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I say DL him.
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Or trade him.
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Of course we won’t get crap for him.
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I actually like the guy. I like his outspoken nature. I like his standing up against what he sees as racism. I like his pugnacious nature.
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But he is not producing these days.
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No offense.

All right, let’s talk baseball. Yes the strike zone might be inconsistent, and yes I am over 50, but I remember when there was a strike call at the letters. Someone commented about Zoom throwing the high hard on. If they called that a strike in today’s game….. I like Shef and if he is pain free he can help us make a run. He could break loose any time now and that is what JL is hoping for. We need a leader on this team and I do not see one. I like that in a catcher since he handles every pitch.

On the bullpen subject, it seems like most of us did not want Dotel. He sure does look good. If we pitched like 2006 where would we be? I will not quit watching the Tigers. I will not give up. Losing is not fun when you know you have finally put together a good franchise. I was there for how many years in a row when we had a losing record? It is time for a big winning streak. Go Togers! –Dave

Since the tigers are basicaly out of it, my focus for the rest of the season will be on Maggs and his chance for a 2nd straight batting title. Currently tere are 8 guys with in 5 pct points of each other. Who ever gets hot over the next 45 days or so will win it. GO MAGGS! GO Tigers!

thebudster2,
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If you didn’t find Farve selfish and immature, you are living in a different world. The current GB quarterback as acted in the most dignified manner.
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Farve said the GM didn’t care bout him since he didn’t hire his friend as coach. Football requires months of offseason preparation. He retires. Then says he wants to be back 2 months later. The packers agree and fly down to him only to be told he is not sure. @ weeks before he announced his “return” he himself txts an ESPN analyst that its all just rumors. He is staying retired.
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And then he decides to come back and makes a circus out of the whole situation? And the way he has handled it? .. Ask any person who is not in awe of Farve .. and you will get the right answer.

Steve,
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Agree with you totally on the Sheff thing. I don’t think he is a bad guy either. I just feel he is not producing and so he shouldn’t start.
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The strike zone has been inconsistent for sure .. but when other hitters are coping with it, i wouldn’t give Sheff a pass on that.
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A productive sheff would really really help us make a big run. But the way he has been, i feel we stand a better chance without him.
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Thames is struggling badly these days. But we would have liked to see him start when he had the “Hot Hand” .. and when he was given the starting job by JL .. for 2 days.

Barring unforseen events, this is going to be my last comment on Sheffield for this season.
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Looking at the state of this team here on August 8, 2008, one thing stands out to me: we may not win it with Sheffield, but we can’t win it without him. Agree, disagree, doesn’t matter to me. That’s how I see it.
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–Rich

Been giving it a lot of thought and I think the thing that DD should do is can everyone except Miggy and start fresh. To help the process I have developed what I think is the best idea yet … an all-Cabrera team. Here’s how it would look

1b – Miguel
2b – Asudral Cabrera. Currently plays for Cleveland. Light hitting at .234 and only 6 career homers but a good fielder (my Don Wert if you will)
SS – Orlando Cabrera. Currently with the hated ones in Chicago. .272 and 103 career homers over 11 seasons.
3B – Open.
LF – Jolbert Cabrera. Well traveled currently at Cincinnati. Only hitting .261 with 15 homers but is still a Cabrera.
CF – Melky Cabrera. Currently at NY. hitting .263 with 23 homers. Always seems to hurt Detroit when they play.
RF – Bring Kaline out of retirement and make him an honorary Cabrera.
C – Open.
RHP – Daniel Cabrera. Currently with Baltimore. Has a 47-56 record with 4.99 ERA.
RHP – Fernando Cabrera. Also well traveled and with Baltimore I think. 6-7 with 4.90 ERA.

We’ll have to hit the latin leagues and maybe scour the minors but I feel certain I can latch hold of a Cabrera for catcher, 3b and LHP.

Cannot imagine why MI hasn’t called me to assume GM duties.

Just one question. Why are you guys talking about Brett Favre??? GO TIGERS!!!!

LOL, excellent idea! That would make things interesting for sure!

Fill out your team with minor leaguers. We have Alan, Alberto, Angel, Eduardo, Edwar, Everth, Francis, Jose, Juan B, Luis, Orlando (the other one), Raldy, Ramon, Santos, Willie,

and Yeison.

alright– I’m going to be the crazy optimist on here. I know with the Tigers two games under .500 and showing very few signs of life, I’m going to sound insane but I really don’t think they’re out of it yet. If the Tigers can just put together a hot streak, I think the White Sox and Twins are both beatable– neither team is great. If we were chasing any of the three top teams in the East or the LAAAAAA– forget how many A’s they have– we’d be in big trouble. However, we’re not and despite pre-season predictions, the AL Central is quite weak. That being said, the key is going to be starting pitching. I’m not enough of an optimist to think that our bullpen can do much right now. However, if the starters can get on a roll, I still think we’re in it. Yes– I’m crazy… but lets keep the faith a little longer. 7.5 isn’t a huge gap– especially when you’re chasing two average teams.

Eric–I have also thought about a Team Cabrera and who they could play. Perhaps Team Rodriguez? or Team Jones?

I’m with you Brent. As much agony as they have put us through, I still harbor hopes. They should be able to do well against Oakland, a team that is really in disarray. Beane went too far this time in trading established starters. After that is Toronto, another team that has not been able to put it together even with better pitching. If by some chance the Tigers get into the playoffs, it will have to be considered one of the greater comebacks of all time. Then unless they get extremely hot, I wouldn’t expect them to go very far in
the playoffs but it would be a feather in their caps to even get there.

I like that, Brent. I’m going to stick with my wish for just seeing them win some games, but if we got, say, 8 out of 10, it would be interesting to see where that gets us.
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There are two and a half things in their favor for doing this.
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One, starting pitching. Those two guys you see hanging around together in the dugout, Galarraga and Miner, are the two best starters on the team now, giving us a pretty good 3rd in Verlander. Zach Miner, Zach Miner, Zach Miner. This guy hasn’t had a bad start since sometime in 2006. If JL can set his lineups based on somebody going 0-7 against a particular pitcher, he can certainly see this. Forget that bullpen nonsense. He can use the same sinker to get out of his own mess. Comprende’ Leylando?
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Two, hitters. This season started with the “greatest lineup in history” or whatever it was. Two of them are gone, although I shouldn’t count JJones because he was a mirage. Most of the rest of them have not had good years to this point. If that turned around……..well………
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You’re probably wondering what the half thing is. That would be the return of a healthy Todd Jones. Like it or not, him being the closer solidifies the rest of the pen. At least you know what you’ll get on most nights, and everyone can fall into comfortable roles.
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That’s why there can still be hope, IMO, but I’m still sticking with just wanting some wins.
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–Rich

What does everyone here think of the balance of our schedule .. I feel it’s an advantage .. and we had a tougher 1st half.

The rest of the schedule seems to be better. No more west coast trips. No more Red Sox or Yankees (1 make-up game). A lot depends on who is hot whichever team they play. The first one, Oakland, bothers me a bit because they are on a 10-game losing streak and bound to win one sometime. Their GM Beane seems to have gone too far this time in trading away experienced pitchers. Mulder, Hudson, Zito, Haren, Harden, and Blanton. Look at who the Tigers face in this series. Not even their new “ace” Duchsherer (sp). I’m not even sure what bullpen they have left. Street?

Dan: Team Rodriguez holds a lot of promise as does Team Jones. However, I can only assume that Team Jones would not be able to hold a lead in the ninth inning. Sorry, …personal foul for piling on with that crack, I guess,

Brent: You are crazy. Here’s how it pans out. We sweep the A’s through some miracle. The Chisox lose to the Bosox through some miracle. The Twinkies get swept by the Royals through some miracle. Monday morning dawns bright and we’re 4.5 games out of first place. We then promptly lose 4 straight to Toronto and we are right back where we started from only now you have had your heart broken for the 12th time this season. This team is going to absolutely crush the fans this year.

RL: Thanks for the minor league team of Cabrera’s. I can only assume that you also lead the same kind of life that I do that would allow you to scour the minor leagues looking for the occasional Cabrera. LOL.

I have got to get a hobby.

Eric, this IS my hobby. Well, it is when I’m not playing music or building computers. Or traveling.
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Only took a minute to find the minor leaguers. Just go to http://www.baseball-reference.com/
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“Everything you need for the baseball hobbyist in your family” :-)
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–Rich

I’m for Team Cabrera :) hahah.

No .300 hitters in the A’s lineup tonight. In fact they have only 2 guys in there that over .270.
Rogers should be able to handle them.

Eric, why would you think they would lose 4 to Toronto. I understand that they are in a tougher division but COME ON MAN!!!! – Stacy GO TIGERS!!!!

Nice bunt and a really nice play by Cab to keep that guy at 1st. That ball gets by Cab and Gonzalez is on 3rd.

C’mon Kenny. Shake it off. Throw strikes.

Geez–.220 hitter and now we’re really in trouble with still nobody out.

The hitters are not doing their job tonight against a very, very hittable lefty. 1 swing of the bat has been the only offense to speak of. Can’t let this guy off the hook. He’s just not good enough to be getting away with his stuff..
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Sloppy inning. Not what you want to see against a team who can’t win.

I guess JL must figure that Inge is just too good a hitter to be laying one down.
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Good golly Miss Molly.

Rogers threw well. Coulda’ been better but your team has to do better than to give you only 2 runs to work with.
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The RHB now have to find a way to get to this guy. The bottom of our lineup is not as lethal as I would like to see so we need a couple of guys to come through and maybe a break or 2.
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AAhhhh Sheffield and his stupid foul balls and then the inevitable reaching out with one hand ground ball.

A very nice polite 7th inning.
Wouldn’t be surprised the manager leaves him in to pitch to Granderson in the 8th.
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Will we find a hero today?

Guillen must be hurt to have been replaced at 3rd.

Guillen’s back is hurting, they say.

Polanco looks like he is going into a funk again. He is not hitting the ball down the RF line like we used to see him do in orther years. Been striking out more and pulling ball more. Too bad, he is way more effective the old way.
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One more kick at the can and it is a shame that the guys couldn’t hit the ball today. Kinda makes last night’s win an anomaly I suppose.

Let me guess. Leyland’s gonna say (with mouth full of food) “sometimes you gotta tip your hat to the other pitcher.”
They’re lucky they weren’t shut out again the way they hit the ball tonight.

“SNOOZE-IN” A HUGE SUCCESS
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Detroit (AP) – The Detroit Tigers Baseball Club held it’s first Snooze-In at Comerica Park on Friday night. The event, which general manager Dave Dombrowski hopes to make a regular occurence at the ballpark, attracted a crowd of 41,457 sleep deprived patrons. Judging from their reaction, the event exceeded expectations. “I’m totally refreshed” exclaimed attendee Jason McNulty of Ypsilanti. “I’d worked six years on the midnight shift at the Willow Run plant before being laid off and my sleep was all messed up. This is the best three hours of sleep I’ve gotten in months.”
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Sleep therapist Marcus Thames electrified the crowd with an early mammoth homer, but it seems to have been all part of the plan. “Yeah, that was how we laid it out” said the big leftfielder. “Give them an early rush then the crash will follow and sure enough, nearly everybody was sleeping like a baby not an inning later.”
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Team officials had expressed concern regarding how the sleepy fans would handle driving home, but a massive post-event fireworks display allayed those fears. Event coordinator Jim Leyland appeared well pleased during the aftermath. “I don’t really buy into all that sleep deprivation stuff,” he said. “I think that’s just something the media and fans get into, but I won’t hesitate to do what’s necessary to push this program. I’ll be honest with you, I think it went well.”
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Rightfielder Magglio Ordonez accidentally singled in the second inning, but got himself out of his own jam by getting picked off firstbase. “3-0 is too much,” he explained. “The plan was for a two-run homer.”
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No word yet on whether this would become a nightly event during the homestand, but if tonight’s game was any indication, there would seem to be plenty of opportunities for a solid three hours’ sleep for Tiger fans.

Somebody said Sheffield could break out at any point. I’m going to go out on a limb here and suggest lowering the Gary Sheffield Breakout Alert from red alert to yellow.

It was a pair of sell-outs tonight.
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$140 million payroll buys us 5 hits against a mediocre pitcher on a bad team.
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Best thing about tonight was Rich’s last post!
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Offense to be further weakened now. Will JL move our .213 hitting catcher to 3rd and replace him with a sub .200 minor leaguer? Or does he give Raburn some playing time?
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I predicted to my very understanding wife in the 9th that Ordonez would gound out on the 1st pitch, Cab would single and Sheff would hit into a DP. I guess I was mostly wrong.
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Why does the media even bother trying to talk to JL anymore. This team should be ashamed of itself.
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Clevlen tagged one tonight and Dusty Ryan had a triple 2 RBIs and 2 hits. Looking forward to seeing them called up.
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Where do we find a guy like Ziegler? 37 IP in the majors and never given up a run??
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How long do we keep Leyland around?
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Man, that was brutal.

You know what? Who gives a hoot about the last 100 and so people that posted here…

The boys in the Detroit TIGER organization are being paid millions, I repeat MILLIONS of dollars to give us a show, and a WIN every night. Have they done that? NO!!! This team has not given the respect to the organizations, the owner or the fans. It took how many years for Mr. I to put a good group of men on the field? And now that he paid for it how are they showing their respect? I can’t even say it’s so bad. Only 3 players from what I see give a hoot!!!!

No

I have figured out what this team is good for. Breaking a slump of another team and or a pitcher. All I heard during the Chicago series was that the Chicago pen was scuffling and in quite a slump. Well the so called “murders row” was able to get them right out of it. They looked pretty good.
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Yesterday this was a bad pitcher we were facing who we have handled very well in the past, and a team that cann’t score runs. Well we sure did our job and helped them out. Especially the bottom of that Oakland batting order who respectively had averages of .215, .197. and .226. Oakland you are welcome that is what the Tigers are here for to help you out of your slump.
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Pathetic display last night becoming all to familiar. And I am sick or Rod and Mario and all this cap tipping that we are supposed to do. Instead of just saying that very little effort was put forward by the Tigers and that they should of been able to blow these guys out of the water. Maybe I should just start watching the Olympics instead.

Great post , Rich. Thoroughly enjoyed it—couldn’t help from laughing even though what you wrote was so painfully true about the team we all love. This team has played a lot of boring baseball this year, no question about it. Some of us realized it earlier than others that this team’s chemistry (for lack of a better term) wasn’t what we had in 2006. The parts just didn’t fit. Again, it gets me visiting the question of who will be moved in the offseason and who is untouchable. As far as position players, in my mind, only Granderson and Cabrera would be off the table. Anyone else, with the right package, could go. Maggs is another year older and his power numbers are down. If we hold onto him and he tanks next year, I’m afraid we wouldn’t get nearly his value after this year. Same goes for Guillen. I really like Carlos but his numbers are down, too. Maybe his situation has to be looked at differently because of his being moved around so much and also because his wife’s hospitalization certainly had to affect his concentration. Polanco is another one that has me scratching my head. He’s not hitting to all fields and spraying line drives like we’re used to seeing from Polly. Not moving runners along. Again, is it just a down year or is it a sign of decline? I’m not advocating wholesale changes, just saying with the right package…

–Ed–

Funny Rich. We laughed our buts off here, A little more exertion and effort than the Tigers put forward last night.

Is there a way we can find out what’s happening is the clubhouse? I feel something is seriously wrong. Our Hitters are paid well enough to hit yesterday’s starter and even though Rogers wasn’t fantastic, it was a winnable outing.
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I hope it’s not business as usual in the clubhouse. At least some players should care.

I think there are a good number of changes that could be made, a fair number that should be made and a couple that have to be made.
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With the obvious conclusion of the season in sight I am going to indulge in some wishful thinking here.
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C – We absolutely need one. Preferably a strong young one.
1B – We’re OK but it would have been better if Cab had worked out at 3B!!
2B – OK
SS – We need one that can field, steal bases and bunt
3B – Guillen can be milked for another year IF a guy liike Larish can’t handle the job, and there’s no reason to think that he can.
LF – Thomas, Joyce
CF – We’re blessed here.
RF – Clevlen
DH – Ordonez if he stays; Guillen; Thames

I’d like to see Ordonez win another batting title and increase his value then exploit the value and pick up some young, solid pitching talent.
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I’d like to see Inge traded to a team where he can play 3rd and have some fun.
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I’d like to see them stand up to Sheffield and get rid of him.
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Also somewhere else: Renteria & Robertson & Rodney. (Trade them to the Pirates; aRh, aRh, aRh)
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Possible trade value: Thames
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Jim Leyland needs to be put out to pasture too. To be honest, I like him, I like him a lot, but you are either a winning manager or a losing manager. We have seen him lose the world series and lead 2 subsequent disappointing teams through frustrating seasons. Enough is enough.
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Again, this is all just abstract thought and I am not saying the whole team has to be deconstructed. Like I said, please indulge me!
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This year’s team cannot be allowed to contaminate the fans’ hopes and expectations for next year. The effort to field a team of .300 hitters and all-stars didn’t work. It actually failed rather miserably. But now it’s time to build a bridge and get over it. Dombrowski has to admit this and fix it accordingly.
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Generally, it is obvoius that the pitching staff has to be reworked. The bullpen needs a closer of premier status in order to settle the other guys into their respective roles. We need another good, reliable starter, maybe two of them. Can’t really count on Bondo and Willis.
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We need some team speed, defense and a manager that will recognize and utilize it. (Granderson’s speed has been wasted as they didn’t even bother to try to instruct him in the art of base-stealing.) We need (haven’t we always?), a power LHB in the lineup everyday.
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The vestiges of 2003 are slowly leaking away and I hope the trend continues. Not sure if there is subliminal effect but I do think you don’t want guys around that got accustomed to losing.
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I think guys like like Curtis, Verlander, Polanco, Zumaya, Galarraga, Miner, Guillen, Raburn, Cab and Seay all have enough character to make me want them on my team.
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It probably is business as usual in the clubhouse because that’s what Leyland preaches. Punch the clock, play the game, punch out. I’m thinking the players aren’t buying what he’s selling anymore. There have been no changes, so that was bull and they know it. If you start seeing guys go down with nagging injuries, you’ll know that’s the case. This homestand will tell us a lot about the state of the team, wins and losses aside.
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I don’t know why he talks to the media either. It’s like watching a politician with a mouthful of food doing a campaign ad. You don’t believe a word of it. He treats the media and, by extension, us fans as if we’re total idiots that can’t possibly understand the game of baseball. And, like a politician, he doesn’t understand that it’s OUR team, has been since the 50s for many of us. He’s just the temporary caretaker, the current office holder.
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Polanco has been pitched inside all year. I don’t know if he’s making adjustments, but he’d have to do some kind of job pulling his hands in to hit anything to rightfield.
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I think Mario & Rod see it as their jobs not to go all negative, to present a level view of the game. Don’t know whether that’s FSN edict or not You can gather their opinions if you read between the lines and listen to voice inflection. When Ramirez hit that homer off Farnsworth, Mario said “and it’s a homerun” but he sounded totally disgusted. Rod is just an opimistic person, which isn’t all that bad really. Better than the reverse.
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–Rich

Optimistic, with two Ts. Sorry

This is what I feal is gonna happen this year …
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There won’t be any changes .. until we are really really out of the race. Once we are out, JL will say HE has the “opportunity” to make changes and get us “prepared” for next year. Just like he did in “Spring Training”.
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And of course, .. he likes this team a lot. The problem is we don’t.
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About our problems ..
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How can upper management allow JL to run this team to the ground… Underground actually. I know he doesn’t have a lot of options after injury, but good managers can get past them.
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Does anyone remember ? .. That when Miner finished a season as a starter and with good numbers, why was he sent to the BP next season? I have no idea. Maybe to work out a jam at SP. But then when a starter goes down, shouldn’t he have got an automatic shot at starting? BEFORE Bonine ?
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And why was Lopez sent down?
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40% of our starters are not available… but come to think of it, Galarraga replaced Willis and Miner has replaced Bondo. These 2 replacements have actually done better than the rest. That should tell us something …. Keeping us in games, keeping lower pitch counts and a normal workload for the pen. What was done in Spring?
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Sheff batting 3rd for the 1st half of season .. how long did it take him to realize that he should be moved lower? The only way we cut Sheff is if JL is gone.
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If we had not started out as bad as we did .. we would be probably on the top of our division..
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Whoever said that the Pudge trade had a big effect in the clubhouse is right. He might not have been a popular clubhouse guy, but now we know how much we miss him. I am not actually commenting on the trade, but just a feeling that he might have been the one pushing everyone to perform better. he was very competitive and got the best out of a lot of people.
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Maggs, Guillen, Kenny or TJ don’t seem like the kind of guys to speak out. Sheff is JL’s pet, and he has his own problems. Pudge was the only senior who probably told JL “as it was” and might have been traded for that reason.

Dan
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I am a bit confused regarding the option rules. Jason had answered in a while back to a mailbag question.
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I know there are 3 option years. But is it once a pitcher is added to the major league roster? Just a comparison with Willis.
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Willis started his pro career in 2000, played for the Marlins in 2003 and every year since. 6th year in the Majors. We reassigned him this year with his permission. He did not have to pass waivers.
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Zumaya started his pro career in 2002, played for the tigers in 2006 and since.. 3rd year in the Majors. Last 2 years were not “full years”
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So either assigned and Optioned are technically 2 different things, or the Tigers don’t want to option Zoom for a couple of days when he is resting, and get fresh bullpen help.

I don’t remember what the exact rule but when you get optioned down to Toledo or wherever, I think that you have to spend a certian amount of time up and down. So I don’t believe that you can just sent a guy down for a couple of days then bring him right back up then send him back down.?? I believe that I remember reading that somewhere.

I know this blog is dying out with 113 comments, but why wouldn’t the Tigers have put in a claim for Chad Bradford of the Orioles? The way I understand the process, the Tigers would have had to pass on him before he could get all the way up to Tampa. Am I wrong about this? Some of you may have a pessimistic opinion of Bradford but at this point I think the Tigers have to investigate every possibility. I am sure Dolsi has options left and until Friday night he was having problems out of the bullpen. Hit me with your opinions on this issue.

msd .. Dolsi can be optioned but I don’t think dolsi is our problem. Our current problems are Rodney, Zumaya and Farnsworth. And guess we can’t send them down.

Not sure of the details of any of these baseball ‘mysteries”.
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I think the option rule is predicated on the fromation of the 40 man roster, which is a testament of sorts.
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Once the 40 man is decided they stay there for the year. I think you can replace someone on it if they are on the 60 day DL but only with a player of a similar position.
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Waivers are of a couple of types–not sure how they work but one type is assignment waivers and the other is outright release waivers.
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Not sure how the Willis thing worked but I think they got around it becasue he agreed to it. Another mystery.
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http://espn.go.com/mlb/s/transanctionsprimer.html
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Also:

Our third entry tries to explain the complicated “option” rules, as outlined in Major League Rule 11 (MLR 11). Most fans have heard of options, most serious fans know basically what they are, but few outside the Commissioner’s Office understand all their ins and outs. The provisions of this rule take up just four and a half 9″ by 5″ pages in the Major League Rules, but they’re complicated and confusing, so bear with me.

To be placed on the 40-man roster, a player needs to be given a major-league contract. When teams want to assign those contracts to a minor-league club (that is, when teams want one of their 40-man players to play for an affiliated minor-league franchise) they give the player an “optional assignment” down to the minor-league team (as opposed to an “outright assignment,” which we’ll leave for another day). An option is not used only when a player is shifted off the 25-man roster and down to the minors. An option is also expended when a player on the 40-man is assigned to a minor-league roster. For example, a player with a 40-man contract who spends his entire season in the minor leagues does use an option even though he never made it to the 25-man active roster of the major-league squad.

The optional assignment language signifies that the team has reserved a “right of recall” and can recall the player to the active list of their major league roster. Optional assignments are not subject to waiver approval from the other 29 clubs, and they give a team a great deal of freedom to move players onto and off of their major-league active rosters.”
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When the announcers speak of a’another “sell out” I always have to think if they mean that the fans have bought all the tickets or that the players have given up.

Since it doesn’t seem that my wish of the Tigers going to the World Series will happen I can only hope wish #2 is granted………………Pudge writing a tell all book.

Never giving up, Go Tigers.

Wonder if Jason will post another BLOG?
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Maybe he has been given an “optional assignment”!!

Raburn in at 3rd today and batting 7th. Thames batting 3rd.
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ya .. Basically .. the tigers are the pple on the 40 man Roster. A draft pick, or free agent can be signed to a minor league contract .. and plays for the minor league team. The ML team can purchase his contract and then has to place him on the 40 man … and on the active roster if he is gonna play with the ML team. A player can be signed to a major league contract and he has to be placed on the 40 man roster. Players without the requisite years of service (generally rookies) can be optioned to minor leagues. Thats done usually for 1st rounders.
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A person on the 40 Man roster can be assigned/optioned to the Farm clubs. Options are based on years .. and in a given year, they can be called up or optioned umpteen times and that counts as 1 option. There are 3 option years.. based on service. I THINK 3 full years of ML service is required of a player, before his options are exhausted.
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A player out of options cannot be optioned to the farm without his consent. That is based on the No. of years of service. He stays on the 40 man roster, but is optioned out. A player out of options is taken off the roster and waived. and HAS TO pass waivers to stay with the team. Once he passes waivers, he can be assigned to the farm. Senior players can decline and automatically become free agents.
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If the team removes a player from the 40 man roster, then he becomes eligible for the Rule 5 Draft.
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I knew the above.. but I am not able to find the answer to the Zumaya Q … If wills could be optioned, without passing thru waivers .. Zumaya has way less years of service, and they are not even full seasons.
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Jason … pls clear this up. You are the expert.

man .. i didn’t even verify my post .. wrote way too much info :)

BH–Zumaya has been on the 40 man roster since 2006. This is his 3rd year on the 40 man.
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So I see your point.

It’s only 1 run but I must say I was surprised to see what I think was a 1st pitch fastball to Thomas.

Dan .. I can’t say it’s right or not .. but I figured at that time, that we are trying to win games .. do or die .. and we have a non existent BP .. and JL said he was gonna rest Zoom for 2 games no matter what … So i started thinking.
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Zumaya doesn’r have to leave the club … just don’t use hit for 2-3 days, and we have a fresh AAA arm available.

After this nice strikeout .. I had a sinking feeling :) I was pretty sure that Thomas would get a fastball to set up his other pitches, and Thomas knew that.

BH, I wonder if there is some sort of clause that it can’t be used for what may seem to injury related.?

Thats a possibility ..

I just remembered … When a team needs an emergency starter, they option a player to AAA for a day, and call up a starter. They very next day, they are switched again.
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So it’s technically possible i think. … Just have to research the apparent injury thing.

As bad as Oakland is supposed to be, they are just 2 games behind us … Indicates how bad we are.

It’s nuts … Renteria and Sheff both go deep.

Aflack Answer. Probably the oriiginal A-Rod.
Aurelio Rodriguez.
Man did I ever like to watch him at the hot corner.

There are not many times I agree with Jl these days but this is one of them.
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G-Man pitched nicely but the 2 walks spell trouble and the thing to do is bring in the lefty to get the lefty.
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Now—hopefully it works.
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BTW–G-Man has given us a good effort every time out this year and pretty good results almost every time.

Anoterh baseball mystery: Why does this vaunted Tiger lineup not score more runs?

I need to ask that question more often. Cab lit that one up!
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C’mon Joel. Show some stuff.

All cylinders firing tonight after all. Wouldn’t it be nice?

Oldtgrfan’s opinion—Pitching is the foundation of a winning baseball team and the Tigers just don’t have it this year! The same old familiar names are there(Verlander,Roger’s etc.), But the results aren’t familiar–losing records, high era’s, blown leads, and a lack of pitch command! The one exception–Gallaraga–if we had four more of him, the Tiger’s would be in the Hunt! Pitching, pitching, pitching–check-out the Rays. Line-up—-Navarro is their only .300(.302) hitter. The rest of their starters are hitting .280 or below–1b-.245 ss-.242 3b-.220!!!!!!! And they are what ?22 games OVER .500!!!!

Glad to see the “boys of summer” (loved it when they used that to describe the Tigers) do well last night.

I agree that pitching will win games. However, after observing how things have gone this year, I do think lack of team chemistry is a big part of this mess. Teams with good chemistry challenge each other, have fun together, have each others back, celebrate other team members home runs & good plays. Some of the Tigers do this, but you have others that just don’t seem to care about chemistry. Do you really think Sheff was thrilled to see Cabby bang out 2 homers in one game. Sheff is usually too busy sitting by himself and most likely having a pity party because he did not hit 2.

You rock on Cabby, what a thrill to have you on the team.
Go Tigers

I had some comments last night, but they were swept away by the cantankerous nature of this blogsite. Since MLB claims to always present something “bold and new” each Opening Day, maybe we’ll get an improvement here. Yeah I know, probably will make it worse. Again.
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Nate today. I’d give him one more start, today’s, since I have no choice. There’s going to have to be improvement by him. I don’t know why he’s still starting every fifth day as it is. He doesn’t eat innings, he doesn’t keep his team in the game. His ever changing facial hair is kind of interesting, though.
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Good game last night. Credit for the quote goes to Mickey York, “from siesta to fiesta.”
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–Rich

Still running uphill it seems.
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http://redstatebluestate.mlblogs.com/

Hey Rich, Nate has to be the bulldog that he was affectionately named. Why do some pitchers have off years? What about our bullpen? We are 3rd in the majors in runs scored. I don’t like to mention other teams but what happened to Cleveland. How do the Yankees always have a good second half? We need to make a move and someone has to step up and show some leadership. Manager, Coach, Player, or Mr. Chemistry (Mojo).

Let’s Go tigers! –Dave

One of the many reasons I don’t care a whole lot for this guy:
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http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2008/08/10/he_feels_like_a_caged_tiger/

The other day we saw a bad pitcher make us look bad. Hope Nate can pay them back with the same.
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Nate’s opponents Bat avg is .320!! I don’t know if that is even possible. Who is he throwing against, all batting champions?
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What a forgettable year for him. Nice to have that contract signed though

Dan,
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If anything .. I don’t like this guy even more now. He is acting like he has been lights out and the rest of the team is dragging him back. Isn’t his performance a major reason that our offense started off bad?
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The team has been inconsistent as he said, but he is a major part. I agree with the above post, that if we had “team” .. our pitching would improve. Every one should know that their teammates have their back.
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When we started the 2006 season, did anyone imaging we would have dominant pitching? .. not really. But it was a team that encouraged each other.
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And that writer is probably lost. Guess he has not followed the Tigers. He called Sheff’s situation as a Platoon. If Sheff is/was platooning, then who was the starter?
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We have found Sheff not only useless, but actually detrimental this year, and this writer is saying that Sheff can help a contending team, if not the tigers, someone else.
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It’s really frustrating when the media portrays a picture thats an exact opposite of reality.

Another southpaw today but this lineup is not a real strong one to take advantage.
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Inge, Sardinha, Raburn don’t exactly strike fear in your heart.
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Sheffield will probbly have his nose out of joint even more now that Raburn is batting 3rd a ead of him. I can imagine how communicative he will be in the dugout today.
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Article I linked to above suggesst that he may have already cleared waivers. I doubt that but that article made me a little pi$$ed off to see how ungrateful the guy is.

These are the players I hope are gone next year :
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-Sheff.
-Rodney
-Zumaya
-Nate (maybe pen)
-Inge(Anywhere but catcher). His average is bad, and dips further as a catcher. Excellent Athlete.
AND definitely
– JL

I hope and believe they will keep Zumaya. Anybody who can throw like that after the surgery he had and the weight loss has a special arm. He develops a special pitch and he will be dynamite.
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Sardinha had a brutal AB and IMO just soldifies his minor league credentials every time he steps to the plate. We are wasting a roster spot on him and would be far better off gambling on a young Dust Ryan. I know the rep Dane has for defense but either one of these guys is not going to be behind the plate alot with Inge there. May as well at least have the threat of a base hit.
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Sardinha is bad enough that JL knew he had to elevate Inge in the lineup and sandwiched Renteria in there to separate the 2 weak hitters. Renteria has turned things around and is playing pretty well. Defensively too.
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We really let this guy off the hook last inning when he was struggling to throw strikes and couldn’t hit the get-me-over fastballs.
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In the spirit of complaint–I’m not too optimistic about Polanco’s going for the fences approach. I think he is making a mistake. Doesn’t change the admiration I have for him as a ballplayer though. He’s a keeper. He’s also one of the few guys on the club that is genuinely happy and supportive of others’ success.
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4th inning coming up for Nate. That often is the bad one.

I like Zumaya too, I like him a lot :) .. but seriously, he would be a keeper if it wasn’t for his maturity level. He keeps getting injured in some stupid ways .. and he can’t seem to understand the need, not to be fastball happy. He says the right things, but he hasn’t done it. Add to it the fact that his arm tightened up when he threw the 2nd pitch. Shows his conditioning for stuff other than fastballs.
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He matures and he becomes untouchable. As of right now, we might get something better for him, then where he is headed.
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How bout this pitcher walking everyone, and Sheff GDIP .. kills a rally. 3 Walks, in an inning with 0 runs.

Aflack: Rickey Henderson, Tony Armas and xxx?

Maybe a pitcher is the 3rd Gold Glove? Armas was great. I used to live in the bay area and always got down to see the Tigers plays Billy’s Boys in Oakland. There were years that there were more Tiger fans in the stands than A’s fans. No word of a lie.

Dale Murphy! I forgot about him. And the 3rd guy was a chucker.

Sheff won’t be hitting into a DP this time. But he can still pop-up with the best of them.

I swear I posted that BEFORE he actually did it!!.
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Man, I just can’t stomach this guy in the lineup anymore.
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HR yesterday came at a non-crucial time with no one on.

How do you feel to be Dane Sardinha right at this moment?

If Cabby had been on 1st Base, he would have ground out .. this way.. he didn’t advance the runner for a sac fly.
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Everyone can get on my behind for saying this … but sometimes, I feel like he is doing this on purpose … We can predict his AB like a swiss watch.

Well at least he swung. If nothing else this is shaping up to be a pretty quick game. Might blow my excuse for the honeydew list my wife has for me.
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Dane is a disappointment …. but then, he is a backup catcher .. and didn’t get 14 Million to play this year.

BH–I won’t get on your behind for it. The thought has actually crossed my mind. I think he has an extremely well developed ego and it would not surprise to see him be so selfish as to pay somebody back for “not appreciating hime enough”. Not saying this is what is happening, just that it would not surprise me. I think there will be ramifications from that Boston Globe article.

Be nice to see the top of the order come through this go round.
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Nate has thrown a nice game so far and you have to count your blessings.
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Not hitting this guy Smith is concerning. I do like the way he throws, not sure why, but I think he has got something. Nevertheless, with all the walks and the grooved fastballs we should be able to get to him.

We are paying 15 Million to Maggs .. right? .. Compare that to 14 Million for Sheff.

Smart move by Geren. They are stil in the game and he knows Smith is playing with fire with his lack of command.
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Still, I like that Smith. He’s got something.
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What is our boy Sheff gonna do here?

Now we hope Sheff gets them in … or at least take a walk.
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He sure has a big ego. He had a problem with the strike zone, explaining his bad performance. Now he says pitchers pitch to him differently than to others.
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He needs someone to deflate him. Do pitchers worry pitching to Maggs and Cabby or to Sheff? ..
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It’s nice that it’s tough to get Cabby out lately … 2 BB and 1 Hit. he had a 4 for 5 game too.

it was time for the strike out, he already had the dp & pop out.

You are right .. he will have a hit or walk next with bases empty.

Anyone here think Sheff is platooning ? That writer is either Sheff’s buddy or is on something.

Sheff has hit for the demonic cycle:
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1) GIDP
2) Pop-up
3) Strike out
4) All with men on base
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How about another interview Gary?

The only reason Gary Sheffield is on this team right now (well I guess there are 2 reasons), is that nobody else wants him and his 13 mil salary.
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The other reason is the obstinacy of his buddy Jim Leyland.

After that bunt by Dane, Sheff is officially the most useless.
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You tell me Sheff can’t take a walk, when Inge, Rayburn, Renteria and Cabby each have 2 apiece ?

It’s good to see Ordonez come through in the clutch. We have actually missed that a little bit this year.
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Boy, another bullpen guy who seems to excel. Nice to have eh?

Devine has really nice sink to his stuff. Ball drops right off the table.
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Let’s go Nate–don’t let up Dude. 4 runs is not a whole bunch to come back from.

Need to keep a close eye on Nate .. He has pitched 6 good innings and now had a big break between innings.

I bet the boo-birds will be out in force now here to lead off the our half of the 7th

Great job by Robertson today. JL took him out at the right time too.
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Let’s hope the Rodney the Right shows up today.

Aflack bonus question: When Shef bats is he: a) trying to screw himself into the ground b) trying to hit the ball c) imitating a drunk trying to keep his balance.
Good job Nate.

Stupidity needs to be commented on:
Curtis sacrificing and even with 2 strikes with a 3 run lead in the 9th?
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JL doesn’t have Inge lay one down the other day in a very obvious bunt situation and Inge struggling at the plate.
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Drives me nuts.
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Also when Polanco bunts with curtis on 1st and nobody out. Why not run him?
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Drive me nuts.

Jason,
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How about a new BLOG entry? TIA

This would qualify as an “unforeseen event”, the Sheffield comments, although it was actually foreseen. Anyway, I’ll share thoughts on it.
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First the disclaimers. Why is he talking to the Boston Globe and how old is this interview? There are several factual errors in this article, along with some good old fashioned guesswork by the writer. Another thing to keep in mind: are these all the comments? Probably not. It was pick and choose to build the story. Sheffield talks way more than this.
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Now what I think. Sheffield is in no way platooning with anyone. His ol’ buddy JL sees to that. He’s been given every opportunity and has failed miserably this season. He’s a hollow shell of the player we saw just last year. His pitch selection is wrong, everything is wrong. Here’s what I see as important, and I’ll put it in all caps to make my point: THIS GUY SIGNED A 3-YEAR CONTRACT TO DH FOR THE DETROIT TIGERS. We weren’t looking for a leftfielder because we thought Monroe had that covered. I don’t want to hear any whining about feeling left out. If he doesn’t want to DH here, then I think he owes the Tigers some money.
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I don’t see that what I’ve written here can be construed as defending him, but I’ll confirm that I’m definitely not defending him.
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He’s being booed loudly and I don’t see this stopping, regardless of what he does from here on out. Just for my own evil personal satisfaction, I’d like to see him gone just to see who’s the next guy to come into the boobirds’ sights. My guess is Farnsworth. How about we don’t make any further deals with the Yankees? Too much excess baggage.
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There was also a ballgame played today, and we won. Nate shut them down. Poor hitting club, so I’m not sold. They started hitting him the 4th time around and I maintain that the time to remove him is at the end of the 3rd time.
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I don’t know when Thames is coming back, but they might want to think about giving Clevlen the shot. Either he hits or he doesn’t, but at least you get excellent defense and athleticism. What’s to lose?
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–Rich

Hi All ,
Can anyone tell my why the A’s reliever with the excellant slide move to pick off, like Ryan Rayburn , wasn’t a Balk?
It sure looks deceptive!

I have never been impressed these past two years with Gary Sheff. I realize he has 490 homers, and think JL is helping an aging dog, that has a little life left.. but don’t see the value in the DH spot.

Myself, I see the tigers in the spoiler spot, helping or hurting teams trying to make the playoffs.
Also, I bet anything, that thier going to off Marcus Thames, and K Farnsworth in the off season , for somebody big in the pitching dept. I would be tickled, to see Sheff, and Rentaria released and moving on, but know that that is not going to happen.
Good pitching by Vlander couple days ago, and Nate today!
I saw Omar Infante play in Atlanta, and think he would have been better than Edgar in Detroit! They are both comparable in stats, but big difference in the $ dept.

And “that” money could have been used for pitching!
Jim

Agree with you on Clevlen. I have been watching him as much as I can and I really like what I have seen. He has a prototypical outfielders body, hits with power, has adjusted his plate approach, great arm and decent speed.
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I think he and Joyce might be the corners for Curtis very soon. Wilkin Ramirez in Erie is also coming along quickly. I suspect he will be with the Mud Hens next year.
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I think Sheffield may have gone to far with this interview. The last time he needed an excuse that he wasn’t hitting and said he needed to be in the game defensively in order to get ‘in the flow”, he spoke directly with JL. His skipper is not gonna like him spouting off and making this a public issue.
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It’s a matter of time before Sheffield is unceremoniously dumped.

Willis is starting to come around at lakeland hopefully.
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7IP, 5H, 2ER, 1BB, 6K

Hey all,
I missed the game today, sounds like Sheff flopped again but Nate did well. I’ll take it! What I’m wondering is what happened to Marcus? Just curious and hope he is alright. -Stacy GO TIGERS

We only gained half a game. Since Minn lost but Chi won.
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Rich … we never seem to agree on Sheff, but this would be the 1st time i agree with you entirely. Normally i see you defending him someways. You summed it up well. The interview seems recent, based on Sheff’s numbers quoted in it. Since he his hitting above .250 since the break, he has a spring in his stride(ego). Problem is, i have followed his performance on a game to game basis, and he has never performed under pressure, or when needed.
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I hope JV takes over as leader of the pitching staff, for lack of anyone else. Back in 06, Kenny was the go to guy.. the experienced leader. You could see all pitchers asking him stuff, chatting him up. He has struggled with injuries. If they find a leader … they might start performing better.
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Infante is a part timer. And that’s the NL. He would definitely not be worth the roster spot. Santiago is better. And i might be in the minority but i always thought Renteria will come along. He needs more than 1 year. It’s not ideal … but i think he will improve. He is already hitting better lately.
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Marcus has a shoulder problem. Day-to-day.
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Sheffield has an ego problem. Day after day.
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Renteria is coming along. He went thru this before and then started to really swing the bat but went sour. Hopefully he has found (or is in the process of finding) his way.
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BH-we posted at the same time. Great minds……..! Talk about ego, eh!

Reading between the lines:
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Marcus is going on the DL.
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Jason Beck has been traded for a PTBNL.
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Sheffield will be dealt by month end and we will pay half his salary next year.
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Dane Sardinha is going back to Toledo.
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Granderson’s bunting days in 2008 are over.
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Joyce plays LF tomorrow.
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Rodney is the closer now (until further notice)

Marcus is the PTBNL in the Beck deal. In his first game story, Marcus shattered three consecutive laptops. Meanwhile, Jason is day to day.
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–Rich

Dan, I tried to read between the lines of your post, but all I saw was periods…………..
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–Rich

Sheff’s first contribution of the season comes from his mouth. Tigers now have the perfect opportunity to give Sheff what Sheff wants, his release. Go to the Rays. Have fun killing their season. We move on.

Second thought on Sheff … I was thinking that he’d never clear waivers and would be blocked by Bos or NY … but on third thought they might let him go through because he’d hurt the Rays more than help. At any rate, send a message. If the lad isn’t happy with the current situation then he should be accomodated. I can’t have Shef in left now, and then start complaining that the reason he missed that cut off guy or misplayed the bounce is because he’s “rusty” from not being out there. There are two things in life Shef…. “reasons” and “results”. I’ve heard enough of the “reasons”.

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