No moves at deadline

President/GM Dave Dombrowski said they had a few calls today and had some talks that progressed, but nothing was really close. He doesn’t expect any of those talks to progress into August, either, because those players involved would likely be claimed on waivers if a team tried to sneak them through. In short, they’re probably heading down the stretch with the team you see right now, depending on the extent of Todd Jones’ injury (no MRI results yet).

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Well,thats kind of disappointing news Jason.We are light in all facets of the game,currently.Justin looked like he had great stuff,but then throws a couple lollipops up there.Got to be wondering whats going thru his head out there.Marcuus looked like Crazy Googenheimer Wed night out in left.Joyce looked like he was try to sack Curtis for 20 yard loss in the 3rd inn,today.Shef`s been running the bases like Hillary Clinton.Nate needs to take some time off before he becomes a head case,he looks like a whipped puppy lately.Todd reveals that he has been experiencing shoulder problems for 6 weeks.I always thought he displayed great leadership skills,but he failed the test on that call.I just cant help but think that the Pudge trade has em all out of sorts right now.Once the dust settles a little I hope to see some relievers compete to nail down a job.But,if they cant do it, I`d rather see some youth up here getting experience than kicking the same dead dog over and over.If we cant make a run for the playoffs,then sit Shef until next year.Give him plenty time to heal.Bring up Clete for some at bats,Blaine,Ian,Brent. But,if we are truly gonna make a run,better bench Nate and give Lopez some starts.I`m not throwing the towel in just yet,but these boys make good money to perform.If they dont,make em ride the pine.If we got to loose,I`d rather lose without them than with them.

I have a question to start. Was there a reason Farnsworth couldn’t get here for today’s game? I see Pudge in the Yankees lineup this afternoon. Jason, anything on that?
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This is going to be a rough go for me. I see Pudge saying nice things about the Detroit organization while at the same time being excited about joining the Yankees. I see that Farnsworth was in tears over leaving New York. Hey, that’s just great. Welcome back to Detroit, Kyle. You guys thought you were hard on Sheffield? I guess it’s my turn.
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Chicago gets Griffey. Sounds like they’re going all Dombrowski too. What are they going to do with him? Gave up two pitchers, was it?
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As far as our guys go, well, we accomplished absolutely nothing in Cleveland, other than knocking four more days off the ever diminishing calendar. Lots of baseball left, though, that’s the word. Mathematically yes,, realistically no. This is a .500 team, has been ever since they failed to upgrade the pitching last winter. We got off to a slow start, recovered to reach .500, and there we’ll stay. They look strangely like the Toronto Blue Jays of recent years.
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Let’s see, we gave up 5, 5, 12, and 9 this week? The bottom of Cleveland’s batting order beats us? Sal Freakin’ Fasano? Anyway, Carmona, check. Kazmir on Friday and Shields on Sunday? Two more checks.
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Why do our pitchers continue to go out there with injuries? I thought JL said we’d address that last year after Bonderman. Is anyone in charge here?
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Still watching and enjoying the show, but telling it like it is,
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Rich

bruce can u please learn to put a space or two between sentances, and maybe even seperate thoughts by, oh, say, paragraphs……
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you might have valid points, but i simply won’t read a word of what you write, cuz its painfully annoying.
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i dont capitolize, but at least i separate thoughts and know that after a period there’s TWO spaces between period and next letter…..
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jr high, 7th grade english…..

Back off deadhead, this site isn’t about criticizing how people post, if it was we could talk about all sorts of errors, like spelling. This is a a great forum and people can post how they like.

I have been trying to post for 2 days on this site and every time it blows up on me. I don’t have it in me tonight to go over it all now, but I am not thrilled about the Farnsworth trade, but sure hope he can prove me wrong, as we are so bad off in the pitching area right now it is horrible.

Go Tigers, we need a serious series sweep this weekend to get things going again. Still having faith.

Rich
I’m sad to say that you are “spot on”. This team which i love so much is not folling anyone. Tiger Girl, I love your eternal optimism, and confess that I envy it. For all of the Leyland Bashers(Thames Terrifics), old Jimmy boy through him out there every game with the Indians, and he really came through. He might have left 10 men on base. And his baseball version of The Barishnikoff Balllet last night was memorable. That old fool Leyland’s always pulling “Twinkletoes” out for defensive purposes. How dare he? Guys and Gals, I’m sorry for the sarcasm, but Marcus Thames is far more valuable to us as an every third day starter, and a late bat off the bench. That’s where he is most dangerous, and he thrives there. He made no adjustments whatsoever in those at bats in Cleveland. Polly is not the same Polly. No wicked linedrives to rigth center.
Ordonez thinks every at bat is one pitch. Guillen is still good for an at bat, but the consistent threat is waning. Sheffield is the best foul ball hitter in the majors. Renteria has moved his average up two points. Granderson has finally turned the corner, but he, too does not hit those gappers like last year. I guess we’ll have to see if Inge is any better with more AB’s each day. And now my zinger for JL. His lineup today was the equivalent of Dan leading off, Rich in the two spot, and Xdeadhead batting cleanup. Awhole lot of hope and very little hype. Just a little fun guys. And just to think about it, I haven’t even talked about pitching. In a way, I almost wish we could just fade and get it over; that way I wouldn’t be “teased” wit ha good streak every few games. Keep the faith TigerGirl.

Greg

Well Greg, I can lay down a mean bunt, but hitting behind the runner is tough for a pull hitter like me. I know, after you saw me in Baltimore, you said “there’s a number two guy if ever I saw one.” :-)
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Glad to have some company here. I think the silence may have more to do with site problems than Tiger problems, though.
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I still have fun watching the games, but I admit some of that stems from a genuine fondness for some of the guys we’ve fielded the past 4-5 years or so. It’s tough to see them go, but go they must. If not, Dick McAuliffe would still be manning secondbase. Pudge drove me nuts at times with his hitting approach, but I always appreciated his passion out there. Sean Casey was just plain fun. Rondell White was another good guy. Still a bunch of them left, although I don’t know for how long. Todd Jones is on the way out, and I always liked him. I was in a distinct minority there. Nate leaves the impression of a guy who’s going to give you everything he’s got. Too many times, unfortunately, it’s not enough. Anyway, I’ll always wish these and the others the best, no matter where they go.
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I’ll have to temper my unreasonable dislike for Farnsworth. Maybe if he’s quit picking up the resin bag then licking his resin-coated fingers, it will help. That is sooo disgusting. Guys can spit, pick their nose, whatever, but that resin thing killed me. I also didn’t care for his eagerness to get out of Detroit back in 2005. I really don’t think he’s a bad pitcher at all. Not someone to build a franchise around, but he’ll do for now.
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Anybody got a pick for Central Division winner? I’m going with the team that made no deadline moves, the Twins. They pitch, can manufacture runs, and hold one of the biggest homefield advantages in all of baseball. The Tigers have become underdogs, which actually makes it more interesting than if they’d blown everyone away. We’ll see what we can do here for the next two months. Just looks like a .500 team to me. Hopefully this winter we’ll address needs rather than attempting to sign big names.
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Well I tried to post all afternoon and kept on getting kicked off the site.
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JV is no ace. He is immature, and inconsistently inconsistent this year. He thinks that he has to strike everyone out and frankly that just doesn’t work for him. He drives up his pitch count too quick. The best game he pitched all year in my opinion was the game against the White Soxs in which he threw the complete game. He pitched to contact and got early easy outs. He really has a lot of growing up to do. And in Leylands post game comments I gather he was pissed at him as well.
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Now the thing that ticked me off about JL is that why he always chooses to rest the big boys all on the same day??? I understand that Inge couldn’t play today, but when you need to win a game you take out your two best bats and Sheffield, who had a four hit game the night before?? I don’t buy that they need all this rest or at least all on the same day.
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Very frustrating game to watch again. Pitching Pitching Pitching. Oh ya we will see a lot of good pitching this weekend and probably get swept. GO TIGERS

I watched every game against Cleveland and whenever they showed Leyland in the dugout, he looked pissed. It was usually when a pitcher was not doing well. I really have not seen him look like that before. To me he was looking very fed up with almost every pitcher out there. Whatever else anybody wants to say about Leyland, he is stuck with what he has got to work with.

I’m a huge Jim Leyland fan, and I don’t think he should have to go after this season because I don’t blame him. I do, however, feel that Mike I should sit down with Dave D and Jimmy L and tell them what the Ford family has yet to tell Matt Millen (sorry for the Lions reference… it’s August, and I’m setting myself up for disappointment on the gridiron again. But enough football..) But, tell them that they have had a year with this team. Put all egos and emotional attachments aside (Leyland, that means putting whatever vendetta you have with Marcus away) and go out this offseason, in a shared vision, and put together a winning TEAM, not merely a winning ball club. I know Jim has said before that he’s not big at all into the chemistry aspect, but if you go back and watch the 06 team to this team… it is night and day. I remember watching Zumaya look at Grandy like he had just taken a bullet for him when Zumaya blew his first save in 06 and Grandy hit a homer in the bottom of the inning to tie it. That moment would never happen on the 2008 Tigers, and we won’t win again until it can.
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That rant aside, I’m keeping the faith for this year… but I think the Twins win the division. They are just too good.

some frustrating things that lead me to believe that there is no chance the tigers make the playoffs:
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Since the tigers had their amazing interleague run to come to 41-40 at the halfway point, their record is 14-13.
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They have had at least a half dozen opportunities to win a game that would put them with 4.5 or better and have lost every single one of those games.
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They have only won 2 of their last 8 series. A 2 game sweep of Cleveland and a 3 game sweep of KC.
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They are 42-48 against the AL.
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They are 20-28 against the central.
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They are just 34-45 against Right handed starters.
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They have a winning record against only 4 teams in the AL. 7-5 against CLE, 4-1 against NY, 7-3 against SEA, and 3-0 against TEX.
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Chicago has went 14-12 over the same period that detroit has went 14-13. If they continue that winning percentage the rest of the season they will finish with 89 wins. To reach that mark we’d have to go 34-20.
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Minnesota is 15-11 since that date. If they continue that winning percentage they’d finish with 91.. then you need 36-18. A .667 winning percentage the rest of the way.
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As you can tell i’m extremely bored and extremely frustrated with the tigers.

Well, how can you argue with those facts! It is disappointing to be so excited all of the off season – waiting for the best team (on paper) to come out and run away with the title.
I’m sorry, but there is no fire in their eyes this year. This is no 2006 Tiger team.
My biggest question is why? Why is there no apparent chemistry? Why aren’t we “grinding it out” through 9 full innings?
If we had Craig Monroe & Sean Casey would they get everyone fired up?
I have faith- I watch every game with the hope that we will wake up and start playing with intensity…
I dread waiting through the long winter months to watch my Tigers be the team they CAN and SHOULD be.
Kristin

I don’t know why you all think that Leyland has a vendetta against Marcus Thames. Marcus IMO is not an everyday player. This month he had 71 at bats only 14 hits (5 of them HR’s) for an average of .197. You all have been all over Gary Sheffield for more than that. Not to mention all those over Inge for the last few years. Don’t get me wrong Marcus has been the reason we have won several games, but he has his limits. We are seeing them right now.

GK, you took the words right out of my mouth. I was just coming on here to post the same thing. You can add to those stats that he’s struck out 28 of those 71 at bats, good for 40% of the time.
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I like Marcus, but months like this and what he did in April when he hit .200, albeit in limited at bats, are why he’s not an everyday player.

Tiger Girl,You really really are a Tiger Girl.I appreciate your support.I wish our team played with half the spunk and fire that you have……… Dont take Deadhead too seriously,I never do. He always gets cranky after a Tiger loss.Heck when we were under 500 he would only read Dan and Rich`s posts,because he thought the rest of us were too negative. He`s almost a social butterfly in comparison,now that we are 500……….. We all had high expectations with all the hype of the off season hype. The team that was going to score a 1000 runs,has`nt produced up to that level. There is`nt a Tiger fan out there that does`nt share the same frustration………….I`m not throwing in the towel yet,either Tiger Girl. DD did`nt hit the panic button and trade off our youth. That showed me management still believes. We are only 6 games out with an experienced and talented team……. Sure, we could have used another lefty reliever,but the pool was dry and slim pickens. We need to relegate Nate to bullpen duty and give Lopez a shot at starting,in my opinion. No more 3 inn outings……..The trade deadline is over. I truly believe that this team will settle in now that they all know who is going to be here, and who is`nt. The bullpen is 3 good arms better than at the start of the season. The hitters are doing much more hitting, including Edgar and Shef. I would`nt give up on the boy`s just yet……….Mike, I could`nt tell you the difference between an adverb and an adjective. Never typed before in my life, except emails. Hope this spacing meets your approval…………..Bruce

Maybe we should tear up the sod at Comerica and put paper on the field since that’s where the Tigers are so good.

Another note, Minnesota has had eight or nine chances to take the lead from the White Sox and has lost each one of those too. The law of averages should state that the Tigers, and the Twins, should start winning some of these games to get closer.

The Tigers have lost about eight consecutive coin flips, and so have the Twins. However, the odds of losing the ninth is still 50% even though the average of losing nine straight flips is something like 1000 to 1.

I think they are getting Tampa Bay at the right time, and then they go back to Chicago. If they can win both those series, they should be around three games out. Then, it’s Oakland, Toronto and Baltimore all at home, followed by Texas, KC, Cleveland (at home) and KC again. They should be right there by 8/31.

The Twins have the Angels and the Yankees this month. The White Sox have Boston for six games as well. Let’s see where the chips fall. The fact of the matter is that someone will have to win at a .600 clip over this month to get to the postseason. Hopefully, it’s the Tigers.

Oh no, the blog has lost it’s chemistry. And our momentum is only as good as our next day’s typist. :-) Come on guys, as Ricky Ricardo would say, take a tizzy (translated-take it easy).
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Those numbers Chad posted don’t lie. This will be a monumental task to make the postseason, although not an impossible one. I don’t think we have the pitching to do it, but do hope we can stay in the race at least. That will require winning the Chicago series next week, no question about it this time. JL, no more of that “not important” stuff. We’re not totally stupid out here.
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Anybody see White Sox-Twins last night? Now THAT was a scrap! There’s your intensity right there.
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–Rich

Really? Is Kyle Farnsworth the answer? Really?
–Jeff
http://redstatebluestate.mlblogs.com/

A rare sighting here from Ty Cobb…

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Losing Pudge, even the player he has grown into (not a bad average right now) was a tough lose for me to handle when I saw it.

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Farnsworth – uhhh…didn’t like him when he was here before and don’t like him now. He is off and on and a hot head. Didn’t want to play here then and probably doesn’t now…at least we only have to put up with him for a few months and then he will be gone.

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Playoffs – To quote a great coach, “Playoffs…are you kidding me…PLAYOFFS!” Who knows really…I think we still have a chance or maybe I am just kidding myself…I would like to believe, anyway…

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Initially, I wasn’t happy with the trade .. even wrote a couple of long ones .. which of course i wasn’t able to submit. I think the blog software gets cranky when mlb has too much traffic(trade deadline).
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The only thing that i worry bout this trade is : Seems like Kyle doesn’t want to come to detroit. He seemed like he was in tears when he was commenting on the trade. And he is taking his sweet time reporting to the Tigers. SO the question is, do we want a guy who really doesn’t want to be here?
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Losing Pudge was really sentimental. We all know the history. On top of that, he was hitting better of late. He is overpaid, or rather paid based on his past performance. He really got paid well these 5 yrs, but then he had the guts to come to a 119 loss team.
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We couldn’t get a lot more in return probably coz his salary is like 13 Mil this year. The Yanks take on the balance, and Kyle won’t cost us nearly as much.
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As a team, we might lose a little bit, not much behind the plate. But we save money and upgraded the pen at the same time. So it might turn out to be a good trade. The pen is our glaring need, and lately, TJ went on the DL, Rodney is wild and Zumaya can’t throw anything but Fastballs. So getting a reliever was paramount. I hope DD offered other teams some cash(that we saved in this trade) in return for another arm. That might have sealed a deal.
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Does JL hate Lopez? He pitched him 3 days straight when the 1st 2 days, he pitched 2+ innings and the 3rd game was like a few hours after the 2nd. Also, He didn’t give him a chance to start, demoted him to AAA .. whats up? Everybody said he didn’t deserve to go then.
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Miner finally got a chance. JL hates him too. Thames might have done better if he was given a chance when he was hot. He hates this guys. And Sheff, Larrish, etc are his pets .. way too many chances. Everytime he faces criticism, he makes a totally unrelated bold move .. and buys himself time. Gets pple talking bout other stuff. Anyone see the same thing?
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I hope he is not letting his personal feelings affect the teams performance.

Ah…..”Call to arms”??? What is THAT all about ??????

Let me give you a clue????? Try calling Atlanta and Florida!!!!

I’m fine with Inge replacing Pudge. I saw that coming. It’s unfortunate that a lot of kids idolized him, and have never known a Tigers team without him, but that’s the nature of the business these days. I have one big question that I hope someone can answer. If both Pudge and Farnsworth were not resigned after the season, and both went FA, is there a difference in our compensation and if so, how much difference?
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Some interesting historic ironies here. Back in 2005, Farnsworth was our third closer of that season. Percival had been injured and supposedly retired for good, Urbina allegedly started a fight with teammates and got traded for Polanco, then came Kyle. When he was traded away to Atlanta at the deadline, the popular story is that it cost Trammell the team. Supposedly everyone packed it in. Pudge was gone for weeks handling a messy divorce, Dimitri Young was being divisive, etc. So the story goes. The fact is that a team that had been playing about .500 ball took a nosedive to 71 wins.
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Wouldn’t it be strange if the same thing happened this year, because we ADDED Farnsworth?
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Just a little something for your entertainment. JL would flip his lid if he heard this being surmised. :-)
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–Rich

As far as Thames goes, I’m not saying he’s the next Magglio. He’s not even the next Jermaine Dye, but he has that quality in him that wills him to rise to the occasion it seems (I don’t have any facts right now to back that up, and I may be waaaay off by saying that). My issue isn’t that I think Thames is the answer, it’s with the fact that he’s never once gotten a real shot to prove he’s not. JL will commit to him, then a week later he’ll sit two games in a row. Who knows? Maybe Marcus will end up on another team next year as their everyday LF and hit .210, or maybe he’ll go .260, 35 HR, 80 RBI. I guess I would just love to see which one he will be while he’s a Tiger, that’s all.
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On to TB, and all I can say tonight is: Kazmir is GOOD. We all know that. I was a ringleader in the “Get Miner and Grilli out of here!!” school of thought the beginning of this season, and I was the President of the fan club after I personally watched Miner blow a win in Phoenix in mid-May. However, it seems that he’s much more effective as a starter. Maybe it’s mental, maybe it’s comfort. Anyone have any thoughts on this? I’m glad to see him pitching well again (albeit it hasn’t been for a long period of time yet). I rooted for him in 2006 when he carried Maroth’s spot in the rotation, and I’ll root for him again this year in the rotation, but it just seems he doesn’t do real well in the bullpen.
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I wonder if JL will keep his word and start Grandy against a very solid lefty.
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As always, GO TIGERS!

I am concerned about Farnsworth. Griffey got traded yesterday, he’s with the White Sox today….Bay got traded yesterday, he’s with Boston today….Pudge got traded Wednesday and played for the Yankees yesterday…Texeira got traded and was with the Angels the next day….even Manny got traded yesterday and is with the Dodgers today, all the way across the country. Why in the world couldn’t Farnsworth be with the team yesterday? Couple that with his reaction when Detroit traded him in ’05 and when he found out he was coming back the other day. Plain and simply that tells me he doesn’t want to be here. And as far as I’m concerned, if he doesn’t want to be here I don’t want him here. Period. Guys who don’t want to be places tend to lack effort and don’t perform which hurts the ballclub. Hopefully he can prove me wrong, but I’m doubtful as of this moment.
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I have no problem with trading Pudge, as sad as it is to see him go, but the return for him is really disappointing.

Yeah, this is shaping up as a PR problem if nothing else. I can’t find a reason for him to take two days to arrive, and I’ve looked. Nobody is mentioning it at all. In the end, Farnsworth will take the hit on this, so if there’s a good reason, it should be brought forward, even if it’s stretching the truth. You listening, Tiger brass?
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Another reason I like Todd Jones: When asked if he was fearful the injury might put his season in jeopardy, Jones said, “I’m fearful my outings put my season in jeopardy.” You may not like his pitching, but I bet you wouldn’t mind having a beer with him.
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Always talk about what Tigers I would like to have dinner with and Todd Jones is always on that list along with Kenny Rogers, Curtis Granderson and Placido Polanco. Oh Ya Brandon Inge.
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But I to have concerns about Farnsworth wanting to be here and performing at his best. IMO on Wednesday when it went into the 10th DD should of been on the phone saying get your butt to Cleveland. To me the difference in them giving him an extra day is that he was traded at 4:00 and the game was a quick turn around with a game at 12:00. However when the game went into extra innings that was off the table.
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That being said I believe that he is a free agent next year and he will pitch well because he is looking for a big contract with whoever for next year.

Isn’t this Farnsworth’s last year with a contract? Wouldn’t it benefit him to do as well as possible whether he signs with the Tigers or not? Any team offering him a contract for 2009+ will surely look at his performance in 2008. He was having a fairly good year in NY. If he has any control at all physically and mentally when he pitches, do you really think he would purposely blow it because he is unhappy in Detroit? If he does, who is going to want him at all if he lets his attitude go sour?

It’s logical that he will want to perform in his contract year. But looking at all his emotions.. what if he decides to be a baby and not perform well cuz his heart is not there. He may lose out on a future contract, or someone will sign him thinking “Detroit messed him up, but he is good”. That would be a major loss for him. But the tigers have staked their year on this deal to an extent, irrespective of his personal loss, are the tigers prepared to lose cuz of him?

Okay well, I think the guy will pitch to the best of his abilities. Ballplayers do that. But they can also create problems of a more subtle nature. Not saying he will, not at all, but it is possible to do. I’ll point out that, to my memory, the guys seemed to like him in 2005. In fact, it was his departure that seemed to shatter the house, as I posted above. That was of course because they took it as DD throwing in the towel on the season. That’s part of the irony. Bringing him back indicates that we haven’t thrown in the towel on this season.
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I think he’ll fit in fine, at least for the remainder of this season, with full effort. If he still wants to be elsewhere, I’m sure he’ll be accomodated this winter. It is three years later, though, and people do change. I’ve said that about Santiago, Thames, Miner, etc. Holds true here too. Let’s see how it goes.
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Chris, are you implying that the Tigers are, or are not paper trained?:-)

Lots of stuff going on lately. i have been away on a motorcycle trip but did kep up on the news. Not surprised to see the disaapointing split with the Indians but yet strangley happy with the extra inning win.
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They just seem to do enough to keep you on the hook.
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Didn’t like the Farnsworth trade. I thought it was a good time to trade Pudge but I don’t think they got enough for him–even if it was a reliever.
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I don’t think Inge is the solution as the team’s catcher. he doesn’t hit enough, he heart is not in it and IMO he is only adequate defensively there. We need to pick up a young guy like Saltalamacchia or somebody similar with untapped potential.
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Jones getting on the DL is not a surprise and the bugaboo about pitching while hurt struck us again. Boncerman last year tried to get away with this. Jones should know better.
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I saw that Rapada was caled up and sent back down. Again, no surprise.
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Not sure how Renteria has played but my guess is that it has been pretty nondescript. Funny how JL will give Guillen or Polanco a rest but seems to think they can’t afford to rest Renteria.
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Running out of games and treading water with division rivals is a kiss of death. These guys needed a big change and unfortunately getting Kyle Farnsworth is not going to be a motivator of any significance. He might do OK but he is not character building acquistion.

Can anyone out there in Tigerland explain the difference between the Zumaya of ’06 and the Zumaya of ’08? By all accounts, he is throwing as hard now as he did in “06 but not with the same results. Is it a question of command, inability to control the curve or what? Bruce, maybe you have the answer. I know one thing, Rodney scares me to death in the closer role. I see someone else assuming that job within 2 weeks or sooner. I’m praying for 4 run leads going into the ninth!!!

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Just heard on Sportcenter that Francisco Liriano has been called up to the Twins.
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As far as the closer role, I wouldn’t be surprised if Farnsworth ends up there in a week or so. Not thrilled with the guy, but if he can get the job done I’ll take it.

I’m concerned about the Rodriguez/ Farnsworth trade. I don’t doubt that Kyle could help us but I was wondering if DD had any talks with him before it was made. I mean, simply, why would you want a player who didn’t want to play for you? That part of the trade I don’t get. Chemistry does count. I’m hoping there is more to it that perhaps we don’t know, but again, why would they want him if he’s unhappy leaving NY and coming to the Tigers? Just another weird event in an already weird season.
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The team records and standings of these two teams would favor Pudge in the trade. The Yanks have been playing much better ball lately. Maybe Kyle felt his chances to reach the playoffs diminished with the move, but on the flip side of that, he may actually end up having a better chance to make a playoff impact with this club. We’ll have to see. If he doesn’t handle it well……there are no other answers for the pitching woes.
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I was saddened to see Pudge go. I didn’t see him playing here next year but there is something to be said about finishing something you start. It would have been nice seeing him play in in more WS for the Tigers. Huge long shot…… absolutely. But it says a lot when a future Hall of Fame player gets traded mid season.
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Remember how exciting it was when he signed on, winter of 2004? What a charge he put into the team for 04, 05, and about half of 06.(and then the playoffs and WS) His hitting approach and production kind of mirrored the Tigers second half 2006 skid. I got really frustrated with him. I think that same overly aggressive hitting approach continued throughout the 07 season. It didn’t seem like he wanted to change, but what do I know, maybe he was trying. The power dropped off: how many times did we see him send the outfielders to the wall only to make a long out? This year I think he actually made an effort to be more patient at the plate and it was paying off.
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That snap throw of his defies physics, heck, body mechanics. How does he do that?…….. He was still fun to watch but I must admit, it was getting to the point where I never expected much when he was at the plate. That way I wouldn’t let myself be disappointed.
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So I’m going to miss him. I think we Tiger fans were blessed to have been able to watch this guy play during his final years, two and a half of which were very productive.
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Thanks Pudge for being a Tiger for 4+ years. It was much appreciated and won’t be forgotten.
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Still kinda wondering about all this,
Marty

wow.. a wopping 3 hits today through 6 innings..

Sowers is perfect through 5 for Cleveland against Minny.

How do you come in and throw a WP on the first pitch?

It’s also how they are not hitting. Polanco not moving a runner over after a leadoff double. Nobody coming thru with the bases loaded etc.. At lest so far. we have bases loaded right now and a new pitcher coming in to throw to Sheffield..
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These are “money” times. Does Sheffield come through here? Isn’t that what we expect him to?

Another inherited runner scores for zoom .. so he is what.. 6 of 8 scored now? .. thats really badd

sorry .. currently says 5 of 9 on espn stats. no idea if that includes today ?

Old man leyland must go!! His total lack of fire has rubbed off on the entire team. Get rid of sheffy and thymes and put the kids in. I say “where is Gibby”

Giving away Pudge for a loser who already flopped once in Detroit is the last straw for me. When you cut out the heart and soul of a team what are you left with? A bunch of losers who looked so pitiful against Tampa Bay that it was literally painful to watch. I’m going to move on with my life and try to forget this latest chapter. Congrats to the Florida Marlins castoff management that has destroyed the team I have followed for 50 years.

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