Postgame roster move

The Tigers made the Zach Miner roster move after the game. Jeff Larish was optioned to Triple-A Toledo to make room for Miner.

I’m not on the series at Kansas City, so probably no game blogs. I’ll try to chime in with an update or two over the next few days before I’m back on for the White Sox series next weekend.

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Zach is back! I hope he does well. The Tigers need the starters to step it up, just as Justin did on Sunday.

Good luck to Jeff in the minors – Good Luck to Zach , pitch with all your heart!

Very disapointed to see Justin hooked with 2 outs, and one on base, for a complete game. Obviously, JL has no confidence in him, or is showing him records don’t mean a thing, again. He had class today, and had plenty in his tank.

Brandon saved two hides today. TJones, and Leylands!
MOther! THat play was awesome. Not just the dive,to smother and stop a hard hit liner, but to rise up and throw to 1st from a prone position.. BEAUTIFUL! Not many can do that!
Are you watching SportCenter?
Same for front office… Good defense saves our pitching and wins us games , just as well as run support, and good pitching.

Inge also made a very nice play on the bloop single that Raburn hit to put us up 3-1. He read the ball very well and wasted no time in booking for home. Very nice base-running, and may have been the turning point in the game.

Clevlen 3 x 4 and his 17th HR
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Oslund pitched 1 1/3 giving up 0 runs on 1 hit and striking out 3

Inge has a positive impact on every game he plays in, regardless of his offensive numbers on any given day. Maybe the manager who put him at thirdbase in the first place should get some credit.
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–Rich

Glad to see they got the win yesterday, holy cow were the balls flying out of the stadium on this series. I too was surprised Leyland didn’t give Verlander one more batter with one more out to get, I don’t think JV was overly happy about it, but we got the win and that is what counts. Glad to see Magglio with the homerun too. Hopefully we can gain another game or two this week. We need a good outing from Miner, I hope he can handle it.

Go Tigers!!

Finally checking in after the weekend – the balls were flying out of the park left and right in this series! What a great game by Verlander, I think he deserved to go after one more batter with just one out to play. In the end it worked out and we got the win, but do think he earned the right to go after one more guy. And thanks Inge for the great play to end the game.

Glad Carlos is back, just sorry to hear his wife had to go through this all. It has to be so weird being married to a professional athlete if something like having a baby happens in season and 2 days after your baby is born off your husband goes on a road trip. I know it is part of the job, just a different life from my normal day job!

I was bummed with the extra inning game, Sheffield did his job on that base hit and we got the bum call at home, just the breaks. If we could have stopped giving up homeruns we wouldn’t have needed that!

Looking for a good week – the Royals are always our nemesis I’d like to sweep them.

Yikes – sorry for the double post! Now a triple post! I am still learning this system, thought I lost the first one.

Excluding games when pitchers hit, Chicago has used 44 different lineups. Minnesota 61. Boston 62. Detroit 76. These aren’t batting orders, these are starting lineups.
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What do you make of a stat like that?
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–Rich

Rich, I call that confusion with a capitol C.(or is that K?)

I find that hard to believe… i do believe you.. but it’s very difficult to wrap my brain around it.. 76 different sets of 9 in 89 games..

A few observations fromy weekend in Baltimore. First, it was such a great honor to meet Rich Presley and his wife.
He’s a long time Tiger fan who has been faithful through all of the lean years. I’ve been in the fold since 1959, and love this team as much today as I did as a ten year old. Thanks Rich for the opportunity to have met you, and I am jealous because you got to see our good side. Anyway, bear with me as I posit some impressions from Friday and Saturday.
First, it was really humid, as the long ball mania would support that fact. My son and I got there in time on Friday to see BP, and I was amazed that the “beguiled” manager of the Tigers is so active during BP; he was very involved; I guess I was really surprised. Second, I have seen so many games in person over the years, but again, when you see the game personally, it demystifies major league players. The cameras of today’s television world give us this impression of invincibility, but when you see them up close, you really see how small(Polanco) some are, and how big(Cabrera) others are. They look like everyday Jakes in baseball uniforms.
Third, Ordonez does have great hair, and Joel Zumaya can throw hard. Look back to my spring time blogs when I defended Brandon Inge against every charge from being a cancer on the team to a regular dirtbag. Only one comment; That dirtbag is still worth his weight in gold to this team. I have never seen a better baseball athlete.
Fourth, Pudge sometimes does take a simple approach to hitting. Friday, he was 4-4, and simply took what the pitcher offered. It was great to see a good performance from Pudge. Both Nate and Lopez never got into the flow of the game on Saturday; you might could blame the heat, but JV had even hotter conditions on Sunday. I did not see good games from Thames; I know I have been one of those who doesn’t agree that he is an everyday player, but in all honesty at this stage of the season, he’s probably the best alternative we have. As everyone has commented, Shef is Shef. I keep hoping that pride allows him to bow out gracefully. He gets an A for effort, but I just don’t think the shoulders have healed, and at age 39, I’m not sure they will.
Finally, I am saddened to tell you that I think we are witnessing the demise of a great baseball career in the person of Edgar Renteria. It pains us to watch such a falloff in performance. I think he must have a really nagging, unknown or unreported injury, or he is 39 instead of 33. But I do know that he is a class act in our profession, that right now needs a few more class acts, and less prima donnas. Well guys and gals, thanks for listening to my unimportant comments. How I love this team, and I thank God above that He gave me one more chance to see them in person again.
Proudly bleeding Tiger Blue in old English “D” outline.

Greg

Gregg, it was great to meet you and your son. Good point about seeing the players live vs TV. I’ve noticed that everytime I’ve gone to a game, stretching back to my very first when I was too young and dumb to realize I was seeing Ted Williams. The game live also demonstrates how difficult it is to play, and that impression is magnified the closer to the field one sits.
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I thought I had spotted Jason up there in the pressbox before the game, and I was going to take you up there to meet him. I couldn’t find you, however, and it’s just as well because it wasn’t Jason after all. :-) He was up there later, and my wife wanted to go up (against my better judgement), but Jason was busy on deadline by then. Sorry Jason.
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Renteria is playing with a bad hamstring, but that’s an interesting comment about his age. Some of the guys from the latin countries don’t have accurate birthdates recorded, so for all we know, Edgar might indeed be 39. You may recall Billy Bruton. He retired at what we thought was age 34, but then he revealed he was actually 39.
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I’m assuming tonight will be our 77th different starting lineup. And that whoever stars tonight will be given the day off tomorrow.
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–Rich

For what it’s worth, I was in the front row of the press box near the third-base end of it for the first two games, then in the back row for Sunday after the sun was beating down on the front row counter all morning. Somebody said hello to me after the Saturday game, but I couldn’t really talk much because I was absolutely scrambling to file a game story in time to get downstairs for quotes. Sorry about that if you’re reading.

Thanks Rich! In regards to my earlier post about #15’s acheivements, then my hat is off to a future Hall of Famer, SS and Manager, Alan Trammell. He saw talent and put him where he should be! Anybody can go out and buy a piece of the puzzle and try to make it fit. Sometimes it works, and sometimes, the talent was already from within, as we are seeing come out.
Perhaps this is why Cubbies are doing so well, with Pinella and Trammell?
Jim

Yeah Jason, that person was my better half, the brains of the outfit, the nice looking one of the pair, the straw that stirs the drink………….think that’s enough kissing up to her? :-) I thought you might have a minute before the game, but not after. Not quite as laid back as spring training, but then, what is?
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Moparsew, I suspect that Cubs job may be a perfect fit for Tram. I’m not sure he’s tough or mean enough to be a manager, but I’m just guessing.
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–Rich

I’m off with my wife to the Mud Hen/Red Wing game. Vasquez pitching. I’ll be the guy with the Tiger home cap up in the cheap seats:) Will file a report…….

Greg, I agree with about how different it is to see the guys up close and in person at a ballgame. Although I’ve only been a Tigers fan for a couple of years I’ve been lucky enough to go to several games. One of my favorites was earlier this season we sat about 10 rows up from 3rd base and Inge happend to be playing 3rd that day, he was absolutely amazing to watch in person, his athletic ability blows me away. I am definately an Inge fan regardless of his batting average. My daughter and I are lucky enough to be going this Friday and Sunday to see them hopefully beat the Sox. First let’s win in KC. Go Tigers!!

Hope Zach has a strong outing…..This pitcher is someone we should be able to hit well.He usually does`nt make it thru 6.And he doesnt strikeout many.Might be a good night for Joyce to go deep,if he plays….Hope they start Ramone tonight against this righty,too….Still hoping we can get hot,start a streak, and keep it going all the way to the playoffs.I`ve wanted to see Zach in the starting rotation for quite some time now.Hope he does`nt prove me wrong.Come on Tigers! Lets take these guys!

Wonder why Maggs is out tonight.Hope its just a rest and not injury related

According to Rod & Mario on FSN, Maggs is just getting a night off to rest.

Greg/Rich–nice to see you guys hook up.
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Here is a trade rumor re the Pirates. I have also read that the Tigers have interest tin Jack Wilson the Pirate Short-Stop

http://www.timesonline.com/articles/2008/07/17/sports/pirates/doc488010257fdda415779793.txt
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I don’t think the Tigers sould go after another high priced 2nd tier reliever like Marte. They certainly should not be giving up Larish or Joyce to get him either.
Larish may be blocked (unless they convert him or Cabrera).
But Joyce is a keeper in that he can play OF, bat left with power and play a very decent defense.
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Camoflauged in last inning’s 5 runs was a concern that seems to be escaping JL. Renteria should have scored on Guillen’s 2 out single. He did on the extreme overthrow but had he scored like a normal baserunner, Granderson probably would have followed him home on the overthrow.
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This is all in addition to him not hitting. I think JL should have either Inge or Santiago playing in just about every game. Guillen and Renteria as a left side tandem don’t cover nearly as much ground. The 2 of them really open up the hole between 3rd and short.
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So much of the defensive alignment really revolves around JL’s determination to play Sheffield at DH. If we could slide Guillen in there to DH or Ordonez then you have some real flexibility with the lineup.

If Joyce continues with this type of power hitting, it puts that much more pressure on Sheff to produce, for the exact reasons you state, Dan. At any rate, we may have a future with Matt.
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You notice that everytime Renteria makes contact, he’s producing identical bouncers into the dirt? How can that go on for so long. It’s nearly 100% of his ABs. He can’t make the adjustment?
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Zach looked a little sharper there in the 4th. He’s not getting any calls on the corners.
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–Rich

CG Carlos misplayed a grounder in the first,but got a force at 2nd.In the 3rd he was out of position(I assume in order to cheat gloveside) and missed an easy roller.In the 4th Edgar coulnt come up with a backhand play that he normally would get if he isnt injured.These things go unnoticed by most folks,especially when we have the lead.But these are the things that drive me crazy when I hear so many peoples arguments on why we play all these hitters over all around good ballplayers.Its just mindboggling how much emphasis is placed on hitting,and fielding go`s unnoticed and/or misunderstood.

I’ve been lobbying for Cab to bat cleanup. As I said, he is young and impresiionable and can be motivated by things like that. Pretty tough to move the iconic Ordonez out of that spot though.
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Good luck Dan,Cabs stats justify it,but when it comes to the batting order, JL does not go by hoile…

Minn. is losing big 11-3 Chi. is down 3-1…..We could end up being 5.5 out after tonight….Come on Tigers Dont let up

While I wholeheartedly agree with your premise, Bruce, I do want to point out that Carlos plays a pretty good thirdbase. If not for a guy named Inge, he’s hands down a starter there for any team. The ball he misplayed was because a chunk of bat was coming at him, and he was playing in for a bunt on Gathright. I do think, like Dan, that either Inge or Santiago should be on the left side for every game.
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Here’s Edgar again………a pop up. That’s actually good, since it was something different.

Wherever Cab hits in the order, the problem will always be his lack of any speed at all. I hope he doesn’t end up looking like Smokey Burgess. And I’d like to see hin in a foot race with Sean Casey. :-)

Rich,Sometimes I probally pick on him more than he deserves.I just get extremely frustrated when I see us at 49-49. I dont understand how we can be 500 with the players we have……….But on the positive side,Zach is looking pretty good tonight.A lot of fly balls,but,he`s keeping them in the park.Cab is looking more and more like the hitter we expected him too be,and at 25 yrs. old he has a chance of becoming a true Tiger great.His hip might be slowing him up some,but I would`nt ever count on him being fast,which is ok if he keeps driving in runs.

I can’t believe any team could have Brandon Inge and not start him at third everyday. Because of that, we’ve all failed to give Carlos the credit he deserves for the job he’s doing over there. If he (or Inge) had been there Saturday night, Brian Roberts doesn’t start that six run inning with that double down the line.
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I just think that Guillen’s time at third has improved his biggest negative as a shortstop, his throwing. He’s had to adjust his arm slot at third and I believe he can take that back to short and do the job, at least for the remainder of this season. Never happen, but I’d sure like to see it.
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Good job by Zach. I knew he could do it.

I think Leyland made a good move getting Miner out and Dolsi in, in this situation.
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Be nice to see Joyce get a double in his next AB.

Carlos has improved tremendously at 3rd. Can’t forget the game he stole with a glove a little while ago. Bailed Jonsie out for a save I bellieve.
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It was a good idea to get dolsi .. Miner’s 1st start .. and 86 pitches, 7 innings sounds about right. Good job. Wish we had started him 2 months back, in place of Nate.
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I hope we have something left in the tank for the other games :)

Yep Dan,I doubt Zach is used to throwing as many pitches as he has tonight.No sense taking a chance on hurting him his first start with a 9 run lead.I think he did a great job tonight.Surely he passed his first test with JL tonight….And it gives Freddy a chance to get himself a little confidence, and air it out a little tonight.

I hope this 3 Run HR by Sheff is not considered as sheff’s resurgence. This guy can’t get get anyone out.

JL’s thoughts on Miner as a reliever make sense, the ability to get DP grounders and all, but it’s not the time. Zach is still a young pitcher and tight spots get him jacked up. The last thing you want a sinkerballer to be is jacked up. He has to be relaxed, tired even, for that sinker to work. I’d just keep him in the rotation this season.
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Rough night for Gobble. This is what we used to do to the Royals.
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While I have to believe that JL is in total charge of lineups and who plays, I also have to wonder if he’s feeling pressure from upstairs in the case of Renteria. The trade was not real popular from the start, and Edgar’s performance has exacerbated it. I don’t know how much more obvious it can be. Santiago is a better defender and a better hitter. He also gives us a 4th LH hitter most nights. Anybody else in Renteria’s position would be relegated to starting against lefties only.
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This game is out of hand now. We’re going to want these runs the next two nights.
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–Rich

Bet Kenny is wishing they saved about 6 of these runs for him tommorrow.If Freddy finish`s this game,he`ll get a save>He`ll get razzed for that

I hope JL watches what’s going on individually, even in a blowout game like this. Renteria has not played well again.
You can hide the performance in a win like this but in a tight game Renteria hurts the club. I don’t know if he turn this around but it sure doesn’t look like he can.
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If I were JL this is the game where I would have Raburn catch a little.
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I bet Inge is choked he didn’t get a chance to get some ABs today!

I wouldn’t be surprised if JL goes to a straight R-L platoon with Thames and Joyce. That would drastically decrease Marcus’s playing time as long as Sheffield remains in there.
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On the Sheff front, I can see going with him a little longer because of his potential upside. He’s not that far removed from the guy who made major contributions the first half of 2007, and you don’t want to prematurely give up on him. That’s a tough call. I’m pretty sure Sheff gave Cabrera a good tip on the O’s pitcher Cabrera Saturday night, which paid dividends in the first inning. I don’t buy into any talk that benching Gary would create “clubhouse problems” as I read elsewhere sometimes. Sheff is a pro, and knows the score.
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Speaking of pros, there’s still the Renteria situation. Here’s a good guy, as professional as they come, who is in a bad situation. I realize that JL likes him, likes him more than a lot, but I have to wonder if he isn’t doing his old soldier a disservice by continuing to run him out there night after night. Edgar is hurting the club both offensively and defensively, obviously not good. We’re no longer talking a full season, we’re talking two months. I think either Guillen or Santiago can handle two months as the everyday shortstop. The best thing that could happen would be if Edgar suddenly busted out, turning into the player he’s been all these years. That’s appears to be less and less likely to happen, however.
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BTW, I’m about as excited to get Jack Wilson as I was to get Renteria. That is to say, not much. We’ve already got the guys we need, they just have to be put into the right slots.
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Picked up a game on everybody tonight. It remains interesting, this season.
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–Rich

Got back from Rochester, NY having watched the Mud Hens defeat the Red Wings 6-4. Better seats than I thought they’d be. Today’s paper listed Vasquez as the starter but it was Bonine. He got win number 10 I believe, and Rapada also pitched, with Neal getting the save. Bonine quietly gets the job done although they hit 2 HR’s off him. Rapada looked OK. Neal’s save looked more like one of Jones’. He keeps the ball down but they still hit him, and left runners at the corners at the end. Clete was in CF and dropped a line drive in that 9th inning for an E8. It was a sinking liner he had to come hard in on but that play almost cost the game.
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I can relate to your observations David Tiger. The Mud Hens all wear their pant legs up and it makes them look shorter and more like just every day guys out there. Clete, Larish, and Clevlen look bigger on TV.
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Clevlen hit 2 HR’s in his first 2 ABs. Pretty cool. I see Brent is hitting .306, 19 HR’s, and 70 RBI’s. Whoa….He should be a Tiger right now but there just isn’t any room. Timo hit one out too. Defense was a little shaky, mostly in the 3rd, but 3 errors overall. Larish plays a pretty slick 1B. He can dig out a lot of throws and is quick handling the grounders. Holliman played a very nice shortstop, showing good range and a good quick release. I think the most interesting player was Almonte, although he really didn’t do much in this game. He played 2B and is constantly fidgeting, hopping up and down, talking to himself, and gesturing to the other infielders. He was actually pretty entertaining. There was a group of Wings fans who picked up on this odd behavior and began taunting him with the Erick, Erick, Erick thing. He actually seemed like he was having fun with it and was communicating with them from the field. Tiger Girl, do you notice this about him?
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Anyway, that’s about it…….I see the big club won handliy tonight. Good for them, and they’re now a “scant” 5.5 back.
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It was like a young 2008 Tiger reunion watching these Mud Hens. The lineup looked something like this.

Guzman DH (couldn’t figure out why DH)
Perez LF
Clevlen RF
Larish 1B
Kirkland 3B
Thomas CF
Hollimon SS
Almonte 2B
Sardinha C

Didn’t get to see too much of the game last night due to my golf league, but sure hope the boys kept some runs for the next 2 games. I love seeing us route the Royals. Miner must have done a good job so I give him credit but still want to see a few more good outings before I can become a believer. Gosh, the few at bats I saw in the 7th, our guys were so patient at the plate. I saw Guillen go from an 0-2 count to a walk, am amazed we were so patient with such a huge lead, wish they could have that patience more often when we truly need the baserunners.

Good for Matt Joyce, he is really slamming the ball and doing all he can to secure himself staying on this team, plus it is nice to see a player smile when they hit a homerun, some of these guys hit dingers and look like they got out when they return to the dugout – this is work for them but hitting homeruns is FUN!

Not sure how they scored their 4 runs, I crashed when it was 16-0, glad we had such a nice cushion!

I don’t get many chances to see them play live, but you are right to say you can’t appreciate the game until you see it live. I see the difference in the speed of the ball, how quick the reaction times have to be for the fielders. I used to love going to see Sparks pitch his knuckleball, got to see him pitch twice and was amazed at the movement of that ball.

sign me up to watch the Cabrera/Casey footrace!

I was at the game. A few notes.

Renteria has taken to try to steer the ball into the gap. He doesn’t take a full swing, but tries to guide the bat to the ball. He did try to hit a grand slam but came up empty. I think he has no confidence whatsoever.

Miner was awesome. Kept the pitch count low. Six strong. I figured they’d cut him around 85-90 pitches, so going six was huge.

Sheffield’s ball got out in a hurry. I sat right under the foul pole, and I knew it was gone.

The guy in front of me couldn’t catch. When a foul ball comes to you, don’t turn your body at the last second. If that’s what you are going to do, get out of the way and let me have it. I’ll keep my eye on the ball…

It is now imperative that the players play like the All-Stars or Golden Glovers they once were. We also need to get quality starts just about every single game.
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We need continued good fortune with G-Man. He has been more than a pleasant surprise and gives a pretty solid effort every outing.
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Nate has to rediscover the reason why he was nicknamed bulldog. I don’t see the tenacity that he once displayed on the mound. He looks like a guy with a long-term contract who is willing to be a back-end rotation pitcher and pitch every 5 days.
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Can’t complain about JV-this guy has shown character and mental toughness all the way through.
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Rogers, much the same, minus the physical talent. He is a guy that can motivate when the physical and emotional realms are in alignment.
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The jury is out on Miner, but he looked great yesterday and I know I am more comfortable seeing him start than not knowing what is going to happen in a relief role.
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The relief staff needs help. We are lucky that Zumaya’s surgery worked. It looks like Rodney may be able to contribute after all. Fossum has surprised with good innings lately. Bob-Lo Jones is our closer. Period. As far as JL is concerned you either like it or love it, cause that ain’t gonna change. Bobby Seay has to stay. Lopez will get the ball over the plate so he provides some value. I think Dolsi has peaked and needs more work in the minors. I’d like to see them bring up Oslund or Neal. Oslund if Seay can’t perform the taks of getting out the marquee LHB, that we need him to.
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Sheffield and Renteria have to become reasonable facsimiles of who they once were. Especially since JL is gonna play these guys anyway.
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I’d like to see Ordonez become more of a force. he does not seem to be playing like a superstar. I’d also like to see Curtis rediscover his power to the gaps. He’s been getting his hits, especially agains the LHP, which is great but when he is gapping and yarding he simply energizes this ball team.
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I know Guillen is not hitting much for power and slips below.290 but he is one guy who gets us hits when we need them, keeps rallies going, and is able to hit any pitcher at any time, even when they may be dominating the rest of the lineup.
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Cab is starting to show why he is so much talked about by baseball people.
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I’m gonna miss the White Sox games and they are crucial. I remember last year I missed them too and they were crucial then too. Good luck guys.

Please Detroit management, no more trades! Let’s go with who we have including the farm system.
Renteria needs to rest. JL must not be reading our comments. Great pitching by Zach. I have always thought he could be a starter. Someone said they wish the runs that Inge has saved should be added to his rbi total. So what if you hit 300 and drive in 50 runs. If you hit 230 and drive in 75 and play web gem defense, well…

Let’s keep the winning streak going, and going, and going…
Go Tigers! –Dave

Dave,I am with you all the way on the no more trades.I thought what Rich said has alot of merit too, when he wondered what this group of players could do with a different manager.It just doesnt make sense for these high caliber players to be struggling to maintain .500 after 100 games.A different lineup every night,benching players when they are hot.Refusing to bench players that are in a slump,running rookie battery mates multiple times out there with less than 10 games combined in the majors.I know I get real frustrated at some of the players at times,but when I cool off and think about it,I am inclined to think that they are putting up with pure chaos from the management.You play well,you hit the bench,you slump,you`re forced to work your way out of it on the field.We are only 5.5 games back.If we can get hot and stay consistant,there is no reason that we cant win our division.But we also need consistancy from the management level,also.It has to be hard for a number of our players to know where and how they fit into the scheme of things.I`m confident that if JL will just maintain a balance of continuity,that our guys will respond positively.I know we have one of the best teams in baseball.I just long to see them perform to the level of their capabilities….That said,I hope Kenny comes out with that competitive tenacity that he has and shuts these guys down tonight.And I hope our bats stay red hot all the way to the playoffs

Opened the season with Triple A Toledo, prior to having his contract purchased by the Tigers on May 31…Recorded a victory in six consecutive starts with Toledo April 17-May 15, posting a 1.69 ERA (37.1IP/7ER) during the stretch…Garnered International League Pitcher of the Week honors for the week of April 17-23 after winning both of his starts during the week for Toledo and limiting the opposition to an unearned run in 11.0 innings of work…Departed the International League tied for second in the league with six wins…Recorded his first major league victory on June 10 at Toronto, limiting the Blue Jays to two runs on four hits over six innings of work…Recorded a victory in six consecutive starts June 10-July 8, becoming the first Tigers rookie pitcher to win six straight starts since Mark Leiter achieved the feat August 1-September 1, 1991…Tossed his first career complete game June 20 at Milwaukee, limiting the Brewers to one run on five hits — retired 20 consecutive batters from the third inning until the ninth inning…Limited opponents to a .195 batting average on the road (34×174), while opponents batted .351 (66×188) at Comerica Park.
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I realize this is only the good from ’06 but gee whiz, do you think Zach Miner could be a starting pitcher???

Dan, that was a very realistic assessment. It’s probably not how you’d like it, probably not how anyone here likes it. It’s certainly not how I like it, but until one of us gets hired to manage the Tigers, this is the way it’s going to be.
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I don’t think there will be any big time trades at the deadline for us, nor do I think we necessarily need to make a move. There are no worthwhile starters available that I’m aware of. Meanwhile, despite that terrible start, this is still supposed to be a good team. Just imagine the boost we’d get if Sheffield and Renteria brought their offensive numbers up to their respective norms between now and October.
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As I recall, JL will continue with this resting the starters thing until September, at which point your days off are few, if any. I do believe this practice has prevented some of our guys from getting into extended hot streaks.
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About Zach Miner. I just think this guy is a pretty good pitcher. As I said last night, I understand JL’s wanting him to come on in relief to get a DP with his sinker. It just seems to me that, at this stage in his career, Zach works better in a comfort zone. There’s not much comfort when walking into the middle of a bases loaded and one out jam. I’d like to see him remain in the rotation, but I’d rather not have him pitch in this weekend’s Chicago series. The Sox have been rough on Miner, and Rogers can come back on Sunday with a full four days rest.
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We need to take care of business with KC before we think much about this weekend.
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–Rich

well, i haven’t posted in a while. i haven’t been paying much attention to the tigers in general since i’ve forgotten to renew my MLB.TV credit card expiration date….
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that being said, i do watch highlights and read the analysis of ingame action from the sidelines. also pay close attention to the box.
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for me, the one GLARING weakness is edgar renteria. i think the tigers need to deal him to, say, the dodgers, who are in the market and can offer some young pitching (dodgers AAA is stocked)
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other than that, i’m not impressed with much of anything, unless a top notch catcher (which we won’t get) from any other teams farm…
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the good news (i hope) is that renteria has an option that (unless the tigers upper management (DD) are completely and utterly braindead or brainless) the tigers will not pick up, making a free agent of our fantastic shortstop……..
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now, if i were upper management, there’s a few names i would float to the rest of the league. rodriguez, sheffield, renteria.
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my asking price for any of them would either be A.) a AAA pitcher, lefty or righty, i dont care, so long as whoever is ready for the bigs come september. or B.) a catcher or shortstop prospect in the AAA farm that will be ready next year. or… the most unrealistic of all…. C.) both a AAA catcher AND a AAA (lots of A’s in a row) shortstop, perhaps different trades through different teams.
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however, i’m pretty sure that this scenario is absurd, unlikely, and bordering on insanity. that’s ok. hey without dreams, we never would’ve landed on the moon :)
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ok well, GO TIGERS tonight, we need to sweep these damn royals away. payback for beginning of the season. win by 15 or more each game :)
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mike

I believe you are right Mike. I think we need a top quality prospect at both short and,especially catcher.No ttelling how long Pudge will hold out physically or even be with the team next year.I doubt Brandon wants to stay here as a supersub,when he could be playing 3rd everyday on a bunch of teams.Sardinha looks pretty good behind the plate,but you cant tell unless you see him over 20 games or so,and he doesnt look like he has a quick bat.A lot of us think Santiago should be given a chance at short(me included) and Holimon is playing in Tol.,but It would be great to have a real slick fielding young shortstop to plug that middle up.I guess those 2 spots would be tops on my wish list.Be nice to have another quality starter,for sure,but like Rich says,they`re just not out there for the taking.

75 pitches in three innings. Looks like they’re gonna chase Davies. It would be nice to see Gobble again.

On JL’s managing, I think we all have some complaints. BUt you can’t just bench a player any time they have a slump. I’d like to see Sheff out of the lineup, too, but at least JL is playing him in the 7th spot. Same with Rentoria; this guy is streaky. Now if he’s banged up too much to play, they should put him on the DL or bench him for a while. But we just don’t know how injured he is. Ditto for Sheff–we know he’s not hitting, but how much is he hurting?
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Big bright spot–Cabrera is coming around. Watch out for him the rest of the year and next year!

Steve,Gobble went on the DL after last nights game

Darn it.

Steve,Edgar has 4 xbh`s in the last 65 games.How long do you wait for him to come out of it?And, look at the way he is swinging.He doesnt get around on many pitches.Everything is either groundball 2nd base,or popup to 1st base or 2nd.Santiago covers more ground at short and is hitting around .350.Ramone also bunts(tied team lead in sac) and he can run,and he is a switch hitter.

It’s so easy to argue to put in Santiago, but if you do that and his average goes down to his career average (.239) or below, that’s not much of an improvement over Edgar. You want to bench Edgar for how long? Make Santiago the permanent shortstop? There’s been enough chaos with players moving around. Like I said, if the guy is hurt, bench him. But otherwise, you can’t just replace him and then expect him to come back and be okay with it in three weeks when Santiago is hitting .220. Don’t get me wrong, I think more starts for Santiago would be great. But geez, don’t expect him to bat .350 if you start him every day!

I dont think Ramone is the same hitter he was 2 years ago.He has worked with Big Poppy and some of the Latino players in the winter leagues,and from all the accounts I heard(Fox Sat. Baseball) he is much improved,especially from the left side of the plate.Most of Edgars production comes off left handed pitching.Ramone is an excellant small ball player that can do a lot of little things to add on a run here and there.But,to me his biggest asset is his increased range in the field over Edgar.Edgar has a stronger arm.I`d like to see Ramone get some at bats against some of these rightys.Edgar certainly appeared to be hurt the last few weeks,although I dont know what his current status is presently.

If we score and end up winning, the credit should go to Guillen. This AB, he was so patient .. and takes a walk. Really really disciplined.

Hopefully Sheffield can do what Ordonez couldn’t——the break your back RBI

Steve,Funny thing.There is an article by Mark Dent just posted tonight on Tigers homepage,in which JL says Edgar is almost healthy, but he would`nt be taking many chances on groundballs.I guess he is afraid of reinjuring himself.Ramone has 7 xbh in 70 total plate appearences and Edgar has 12 xbh in 352 total plate appearences coming into this game.But I`d rather have Ramone out there with a contact pitcher on the mound,based on JL`s words in the Dent article.

A couple of very nice ABs. Carlos and Shreffield. I am one of those people that is not conconvined tha tSheffield is OK or that we should have him as our DH. But he had a good AB and drove in a big run in that inning. ordonez, on the other hand, is not driving in big critcal runs. He seems to save his hits for bases empty though I see he has an RBI tonight. He could have made life really miserable for KC this last inning but popped weakly with bases loaded. He used to be like Pavlov’s dog with men on base. Not having as productive a period as we have become accustomed to.
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Granderson and Polanco hit and we score 3. They are the igniters.

That was a huge inning for Kenny. He locked the Royals down after his mates gave him 3. That is the key to winning baseball.
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As impressive as he was that inning he was more impressive striking out Busk last inning with the bases loaded. He is vintage Kenny tonight so far.

Sheff’s having a good game so far. He just missed a homer by a foot then stole third. Worked his AB and got the sac fly.
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There may be a positive sign here with Renteria, as he’s drawing some walks. That often indicates seeing the ball better and a sign of possibly breaking out of a slump. We can only hope.
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Just to bust into you guys’ Santiago discussion; I don’t think he’d hit .350, obviously, but I do think he could stay above .260. That’s all we need.
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How can Grudzielanek be 15 for 23 off Rogers?
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–Rich

toledo went up against Francisco Liriano tonight.. Liriano gave up 2 hits and had 10Ks in 7 innings.. Yikes! lets hope Minnesota leaves him down there awhile longer.

Man, this ground crew got that tarp down on the double quick! Good job.
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Paul Splittorf is a Royals announcer and many of you may remember him as a pitcher for this same team. He had some hard comments about the way Pudge flung his bat away. It nearly hit Buck. Cool it Pudge. Against the rules in Little League and it’s a bad idea up here for the same reason. You might hurt somebody.
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The hitters saw about 130 pitches in the first five innings. That’s workin’ it.

About Santiago: I dunno, but it seems like thinking about what life would have been like with that girlfriend you had before you met your wife. You can imagine only good things happening very easily. But the reality would prabably be very different. And furthermore, if you dump your wife to go search for your lost love, it’s gonna be hard getting back together on the same terms. Gosh, really stretching the metaphor here…
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My questions is: Are folks out there really ready to take away Edgar’s starting job from him? I don’t think it’s time for that.

Hope the delay isnt too long to affect Kennys rythem.We needed a big effort tonight and so far he has provided it

It’s almost hard to believe how well Grudz hits Rogers but he is hitting the whole Tiger staff at .476 this year prior to this game. He kills us.
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Comment on Santiago’s arm—I think he has a better arm than Renteria.
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Santiago can hie les than Renteria and be equally effective with his base-running and defense.
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This rain hurts us. Might mean we have to go to bullpen.
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Anybody hear what happened to Mike Hessman? he has not been playing in Toledo and as far as I can tell, has not been put on the DL.
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IMO, nothing makes sense as far as the Renteria situation goes. Productivity, hamstring, range limitation, inability to move runners, JL’s history with him (misguided loyalty)–everything seems to point in the direction of benching him for Santiago. Media is on this as well as Tiger fans and Leyland looks like he is digging in on the issue. Even JL’s comments on him “thinking he is playing better”, indicates that Leyland is less than certain about this very critical position in our infield. I hope JL is vindicated with this important decision and that he sees something that the rest of us are not.
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I’m gonna lay off the Renteria issue. Not because of any obligation to be “positive”, but because it is just to frustrating to keep thinking about. I’m wondering if this is the strategy of Leyland. Peo;el throw their hands up and “drop it”.
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I’ll ride things out with my wife but I wouldn’t with Renteria. I think he would benefit froma little reality therapy and not the ‘coddle my favorites” approach. I’d throw the fear of losing my job at him and see how he responds. Or I would at least present him with some achievable expectations over a definite time period and tell him after that he rides the pine.
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Steve, I hope your wife doesn’t get the wrong idea from your post!!! And maybe your old girlfriend too!!.

Dan,One of the problems may be DD.If we bench Edgar and Santiago shines,we wont be able to get anything for him,and it will start up the Smoltz/Alexander issue,or at least be comprable.Same thing probally happens if we platoon.Everybody gonna be saying we had Juirgens,now we have Galarraga,Minor,and Dontrelle somewhere in Fla.Maybe he`ll pull out of it.I thought Pudge was lost at the plate and he turned it around.He did hit one to left tonight that was caught,but at least he got around on it…….But your right Dan about the people throwing their hands up .I feel the same way about the batting order a lot of nights, and I`ve just about give up lobbying for Inge at 3rd and Carlos at DH….I have a funny feeling guys like Inge,Marcus and Ramone will be looking to get out of Detroit.Way too much confusion,as Rich pointed out with the innumerable lineups…..Watching Joyce out in left,it would`nt surprise me to see JL send Marcus in late innings for defense next…Boy, what a whacky year.

I am equally surprised that Edgar has been in a slump, but ia listed fourth on team with at bats. Certainly there has been plenty of time to get hot. If not, then its time to rotate, just like Pudge and Inge have been.
Only think I am puzzled by tonights game, is after Shef stole third , one out, why didnt Pudge attempt a bunt?
Lousy grounder right to third basemen.. terrible waste of a run.. sorry.. it was just a run, and tigers did make up for it.
Hopefully, they keep on a roll.

Has anyone notice all the splintered bats lately? I wonder if they check them out, (ultra-sound), and pull them out for use, like in a series like this, or when they know they should be able to place alot of runs on the board. Maybe misguided thinking, but just the same, seems like more the past few nights.
Jim

Steve, I’ve heard of thinking about baseball while with a woman, but I’ve never thought of women while thinking about baseball. :-) You’ve taken it to the next level.
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The difference in the analogy is, I only want Santiago (or Guillen) for two months. I’m just talking of what it will take to win this year, not the long term future.
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WHEN is this game going to resume??? It’s not safe to leave us alone here in a rain delay. :-)
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–Rich

Just got back a while ago from the second night of Mud Hen/Red Wing baseball in Rochester. They got clobbered 14-0. Liriano threw a 2 hitter through 7 innings. It was brutal. All the Mud Hens looked overmatched and lost. Liriano was popping the catcher’s glove tonight and had his offspeed stuff working too. I talked with a guy sitting next to me and he said Liriano has still only been in the low 90’s, not upper 90’s like he has been capable of in the past. But from what I saw he’s ready to get back with Minnesota. I mentioned to the fan that Liriano must be ready to get called up and he said he wasn’t getting hurried back because the Twins were good with their present starters. Must be nice huh?
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Hessman is fine. In fact he played Shortstop tonight. This Mud Hen team throws more defensive alignments at you than the Tigers do. Tonight their infield played musical chairs from last night. Larish played 3B, Hessman SS, Hollimon 2B, and Almonte 1B. And they really stunk up the place. There were 5 errors last I checked. Hessman made one nice DP but he had 2 errors and deserved more. Not sure what they are trying to do other than get Larish playing time at 3B. Max St Pierre caught and did fine. Vasquez pitched, Timo in LF, Clete CF, and Clevlen RF. And the outfielders were busy tonight.
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I had fun tonight though. Stayed to the end because I never leave a game early no matter how bad it gets. You never know what you’ll get to see.
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So my wife and I get to the game a little early and I see Vasquez and St. Pierre (with the pitching coach watching) start to play catch in LF. So they’re warming up, and I walk over and position myself behind St. Pierre with Vasquez facing me as I was standing on a grassy area above them. As they warmed up they began moving farther apart and playing long toss and I thought this could get interesting. After a few minutes they began moving closer together again. I must have looked away for maybe one or two throws when I heard my wife Lisa yell Marty. As I looked back, the ball was already about 3 feet in front of me. I caught it more in self defense than anything. The pitching coach looked up and said, “You were waiting for that weren’t you? All I could say was, “Well I actually had been all along, but not on that particular throw.” I tossed the ball back to them and they threw a little bit longer. When they finished up and we’re heading for the bullpen, Vasquez turned around and tossed the only ball they had been using up to me. He said “Sorry about that”. I don’t make this stuff up…………
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So I took the ball down to field level at the Mud Hen’s dugout and watched the players do their final stretching. As it turned out Brent Clevlen came over, signed the now dirty, scuffed ball, and of course I had to tell him I was looking forward to him coming up to the big club, and that he deserved the promotion as much as anyone. Then I told him I was one of those wacky Beck bloggers and asked him if he ever read them. He laughed and said he actually did once in a while. I kiddingly told him not to waste his time:)
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Finally Timo came over and signed the ball too. Then the game started. Poor Virgil, I must have been bad luck for him cause the Wings hit him pretty hard. Wouldn’t have mattered if he had only given up 1 run, as he still would have taken the loss on this night.

Sounds like quite a night, Marty. You remember back in ’06, there was someone who posted to the blog, typed in all caps, and was constantly campaigning for Clevlen to get more playing time? I think that was Brent. :-)
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Rodney looked sharp in the 7th. Don’t know if I’ll make it to the end of this one.
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–Rich

Might have been Rich:-) Wasn’t me anyway.

I think Fernando Rodney might be back.

Fingers crossed Marty. When he controls his fastball he is very imposing.
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Wonder what it would be like if Zumaya had a changeup?
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Good to get the win and good to get the jump on the Royals after the delay. You never know what that can do.
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G-Man goes tomorrow and if he can stay away from the walks he might just make us all very happy.

Glad to see such a good outing from Kenny and also glad to see we kept the game and added to the lead after the rainout, you never know if those will hurt when you are in the lead.

Marty – you could have congratulated Clevlen on being IL hitter of the week! Too funny that he knew about the blog.

I am very frustrated with Renteria, but looks like it is going to stay the same even though JL admits he can’t get to certain balls right now – rest him then if you ask me if he can’t play 100% in the field.

Do you all notice a difference in Sheff’s changes in his batting? I just noticed last night that he wasn’t as off-balance after swinging for the fences.

Glad to see another quality win – day game today I believe, so at least I’ll be entertained at work!

Tiger Girl, I have noticed a change in Sheff’s approach at the plate. He doesn’t seem to be taking as big of a step when he goes into his swing, and it’s allowing him to stay back on the ball better. Point in case was the double he hit to right center that almost got out last night. It’s a little early to tell but it seems that he may be turning the corner a little bit. He’s 6 for 19 (.313) with 2 homers and 5 walks since the all-star break. It could be the rest or it could be the adjustment, but whatever it is I hope he can keep it up.
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It’s also nice to see the Tigers beat up on a team they should be beating up on. Galarraga needs to go get ‘em today. Hopefully the team isn’t too worn out after the late night last night, at least they’ve got a day off tomorrow.
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The next couple weeks should be interesting. Chicago at home, Cleveland(who’s been playing better the last couple weeks) on the road, Tampa on the road and Chicago on the road. Seems like a good time to make a run at the White Sox if they can get it going here.
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Go Tigers!

GoBlue,Sheffield said he has lowered his hands a little more and is not swinging as hard,after receiving a tip from an unamed Hall of Famer thru JL…..Found it interesting that the Tiger Homepage changed the heading of an article written last night by Mark Dent about our shortstop situation………..When it first came out last nigh around 8pm or so the headlinewass…..”Leyland stands pat with his shortstops”……..This morning I saw a new article heading that said Leyland ready to go with Santiago if Renteria`s wheels arent working……..Something to that effect…But when I read it, it was the same article as the one last night.Too funny…Same article with 2 headings 180 degrees in opposition of each other.Wonder if someone in front office saw it and made him change it.So much for freedom of the press.Great job by Kenny,Rodney is back to throwing the heater and is looking superb,and Edgar got a couple hits and sent a couple balls to left.Hope he gets it turned….Hope Gallarraga is sharp tonight and the boys keep stinging the ball.Keep it Rollin Tigers

I presume JL will have Inge behind the plate today. Then again with a day off tomorrow maybe he goes with Pudge.
Both have hit Greinke well over the years. Inge has hit a couple of dingers off him, one earlier this year.
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Interestingly enough, Ordonez has never had much success against Greinke.
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Granderson seems to get his 1 or 2 hits a game but he is not driving the ball like he can. I miss seeing him turn on a fastball, it’s pretty to watch.
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I would be playing Santiago today at short. Give ER a chance to take 2 days off and also get us another LHB in there.

todays lineup:
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granderson
polanco
guillen
ordonez
cabrera
joyce
sheff
renteria
inge
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not the typical getaway day lineup leyland usually runs out there.. only change i’d make is santiago instead of renteria.. but that’s an obvious one.
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Got kick em while they’re down and head back the the D with a sweep and win this series with chicago.

great start, 3-0 after 2. Galaraga is pitching well it seems.. good to see him bounce back after a couple less than stellar starts. Hopefully he can hold em down.

I agree Chad. Galarraga seems to be going right after the KC hitters. Very easy 2nd inning for him.

wow, this is something.. i can’t believe there is no one else on here blogging about it..

Thanks Edgar for the RBI, glad to see it! And Joyce, whatever he is drinking he should keep it up, like to see those extra base hits! Keep this up all game boys and you can enjoy your trip back home and the day off. Just watching via the internet, always hard to tell exactly what is happening. Can anyone explain what happened when Polanco scored, was he stealing home or was Ordonez stealing second and they took home on the throw?

Ok, the Yankees completed the sweep of the Twins. Chance to make up a game on them today. Also, Texas leads Chicago 6-3 in the top of the 5th.

Ordonez was running on Cabrera’s 3-2 count and as soon as the catcher threw down to 2nd Ordonez stopped and gave time for Polanco to score.

We don’t want to jinx him!
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I am trying to be careful about counting chickens before…… but Rentria is looking like he is playing bettr baseball. It’s not just that he has had a couple of hits, I mean all around.
I am still a Santiago supporter at this tiem but I am encouraged by what I have seen the last 2 games.

I’m just listening on the audio feed on mlb.com… it’s killing me. No one is home to dvr the game either.. Don’t get out of work til 4:30!! TORTURE!

Ditto that on the jinxing thing Dan!!

Okay, this game has officially entered the zone of being “interesting.”
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–Rich

Damn, nice effort by the kid.

I was really hoping he’d get through the last 3 innings.

I hope he doesn’t fall apart now. A complete game would still be quite an accomplishment!

Dickerson jinxed it, not me!

Ok, this just went from potential history making to being really sticky all of the sudden.

Dickerson should know better! What did he say?

That single up the middle is exactly the kind of play we need our shortstop to make.

He said the word “perfect”.

Nice job by Galarraga to rebound that inning.

I noticed that too Rich. That ball was within “reach”. I’m trying to cut Old Edgar a little slack but geez would it be nice to have the luxury of an exceptional defensive shortstop. Guess that was one of those “emergency” plays that Leyland was talking about.

Hopefully the kid has enough in his tank to finish this one. That would be great for him. Actually, I hope JL lets him finish it out. Maybe don’t be so quick with the hook today skip.

Nice to see the Tigers scoring without home runs. Don’t get me wrong, I love the long ball, but also know we need to generate runs other ways too. The Tigers aren’t great at small ball either, guess I’ll call this medium ball. Regardless, I like it.

I think there is a good chance we’ll see another tiger’s no-hitter in the next season or 2.. Galaraga and Verlander both have had stretches in games this season that have been awesome.. I’m pretty sure Verlander pitched 9 consecutive innings over 2 starts without allowing a hit recently.

Slide on the knees, stop it and flip to second for the force.
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So we’re going to just give up those “emergency” plays? Seems it would be important to handle an emergency. The other thing is, Edgar has gotten a few lucky hits so he will now officially be breaking out of his slump, I guess.
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If Dickerson jinxed the perfecto, wouldn’t Price have killed him right there in the booth?
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–Rich

Damn shame Leyland has the quick hook..
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Texas took an 8-4 lead now in the 7th so they should hang on and we’ll be just 4.5 back of Chicago going into the series at home. And 3 behind Minny.
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A sweep leaves us 1.5 back, two of three, 3.5 back, one of three, 5.5 back… and swept.. yikes 7.5 back again.

What do you think… does JL leave Fossum in to finish it out, or do we have to endure Jones?

How bout those boys?Pulling off this sweep when we so desparately needed it.We could not have asked for any better starting pitching in this series.Spectacular!And the bats are beginng to look like what we expected from them before the season began…….Leave it to Tiger Girl to come up with another style of baseball.Medium ball,I like it.It kind of fits.Cab is sure starting to show us how valuble he is.He must finally have found that comfort zone and I`m pleased for him and the Tigers that he has.Hope this gives us the momentum to rout Chi.Way to go Tigers!Lets do it again next series!

Bring on the Sox!

Hello TigaBloggers,
We’re all having a euphoric past few days, as our beloved team looks like what we thought we had all along. My one comment tonight is just to point out what I know you already have seen; trmendous improvement in not walking our oppoaition, both from the starters and the pen. When Rodney and Zumaya can throw strikes, they are mighty tuff for 7 and 8. Even Jones has to get ahead. So I congratulate our pitching for beginning the process of making the bad guys(Please forgive me for sounding like the Hawk; a temporary loss of good sense) have to earn their way on base. Defense appears to be a little tighter also. let the games begin!

Greg

Yeah Gregg, good point. If Mr. Rodney is throwing a 97 mph fastball for strikes, heaven help the opposition. I hope he can keep that up. After three years of complaining about him, it sure would be nice to be able to stop.
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Speaking of the Hawk, tell me Rod Allen didn’t say “he gawn” today. Say it isn’t so.
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Dan, I can cut Old Edger all the slack in the world. Can’t do the same for the guy who keeps running him out there. The “conventional wisdom” says Santiago can’t hit. Well, things do change. Sandy Koufax spent six seasons where he couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn. If Walt Alston had followed conventional wisdom, he’d have tucked Koufax into the “too wild” category forever. As it turned out, Koufax turned into easily the best pitcher I’ve ever seen. I don’t think it’s fair to judge Razor on what he did as a youngster in 2003, but that happens a lot.
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The Chicago series is very important, but it’s not life or death, as Frank Robinson would say. It will have a huge impact, however, if someone gets swept. I certainly don’t foresee that happening. Of note here is that these Sox shouldn’t be rolling into town all confident this time, not after getting swept here a few weeks ago.
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Putting my competitive side away here for a minute, and turning to the side that craves good entertainment, I’m really glad the Tigers have hung in the race. This could have been a really long and terrible season. As it is, things are still hopping here near the end of July.
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–Rich

sure would have been nice is G could have finished the game…good performance anyway.
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what do you guys think about Brandon Inge at shortstop?
Rod and Mario were talking about all the positions he could play earlier and they mentioned SS…just wondering what you guys thought about that.

well i definitely jinxed the rangers.. how the heck do you blow a 4 run lead in the 7th!?!?! the tigers really needed the help..

Edgar gets two hits to bring his average close to .260 and you guys are stilll trying to replace him. I’m not his biggest fan, but for goodness sake!
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Sheff is a different story. I think you’ve gotta stop playing him every day now. He’s been given a chance to produce and it ain’t happening. I don’t think they can have this superstar only ride the bench, so it seems to me the options are: trade him, platoon him, or DL him.
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Playing him every day is no longer an option. The Tigers have a chance to get into this thing, and they have to put the players out there who are capable of contributing. Sheff is no longer one of those.

Can’t agree, Steve. Renteria has blooped a few in there, but he’s looking no better up there than before. Sheff, on the other hand, is looking better. I’m going by the kind of ABs they’re getting. Sheffield could hit 15 homers between now and the end of the season. Renteria is a singles hitter at best, and he’s not at his best.
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There’s also the matter of defense. Moving Sheff out of DH in favor of Guillen isn’t going to happen, so there’s nothing to be gained there. Moving Renteria from short would improve the defense, give you a more versatile hitter with more speed. I’ll get disagreement on this, but I think Santiago can at least match Edgar’s offensive numbers. Again, I’m going by who gets better ABs. This is now. I don’t think Renteria is a .300 hitter and I don’t think Ramone is a .225 hitter.
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But this isn’t going to happen either. In the end, you have to replace Sheffield if you remove him, and who’s that going to be? Won’t be Guillen. Won’t be Ordonez. Could be Thames, but they’ll need him in left against LH pitchers. I don’t think JL will stick with Sheff forever, but he would need to be replaced, and it doesn’t appear JL is any mood for more shakeups.
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–Rich

ar9496, the Inge at SS thing kind of goes with what I wrote above. Brandon did play the position in college, and he played it a little this past spring training. I personally think the dude can play about anywhere you put him, as long as he has time to learn the ins and outs of the position.
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If replacing shortstops, however, it would make much more sense (to me) to slide Guillen over there and put Brandon at third. Again, this won’t happen, at least not this year. It’s more than JL being stubborn. This team is finally showing some life and I think he’d be very very hesitant to make any more changes. He may be right about that too, we’ll see if they can keep playing well.
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Certainly worth some off day discussion, though.
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–Rich

I think the team is beginning to click together… the lineup is looking better, and think too much tinkering can hurt it.
Pitching strikes is helping alot!
Sox has a very aggressive club and will be a test. I pray for 2 out of three. We meet them 9 times yet so really hoping that our boys can come out on top grinning! Its nice to see MC really getting some decent hits, and Matt Joyce looks like the real deal, not some hyped up Cam Maybin like last year.

I am hearing a lot of talk about adding another bullpen arm if dolsi does not improve. Whatever happened to Ryan Perry and why has he not thrown a pitch in the minors yet. I heard from all the experts he was the closest of all drafted players to the majors. I watched him pitch in the CWS and he has big leauge stuff. Command was questionable but who in our bullpen dosent have questionable command. I liked his intensity and I think he would be a major power arm addition to our bullpen. Other thoughts and has anyone heard anything about him in the minors yet????

THANKS!

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