Could Zumaya start for Tigers?

It’s possible, just not soon.

When Jim Leyland was asked before Thursday’s game about whether there was any chance they would convert Zumaya back into a starter again someday, Leyland gave a surprising answer.

“It’s possible,” Leyland said, “but it would be down the road. I’m not sure about that yet. I’ve been thinking about that, to be honest with you. That’s not something I would do right now necessarily.”

Most of you probably remember the decision the Tigers made two years ago, when Leyland decided to keep Zumaya on the Opening Day roster and not only use him out of the bullpen, but use him in big situations. Zumaya had come up through the minors as a starter. That, of course, was the start of a budding rookie season before injuries have limited him since.

Leyland did not want to discuss it much more than that.

“I’m not going to get into that because it’s down the road,” Leyland said. “I’m just thinking. I’ve thought about it. I’ve thought about all these scenarios with him.”

On a related note, Leyland said that Zach Miner will not be used as a starter unless they were in a case of dire need. Miner will be in the rotation at Triple-A Toledo after being optioned from Detroit on Wednesday, but Leyland insisted the sole purpose was to get him to work on throwing all of his pitches rather than getting power-happy with the fastball.

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It really seems to me the Curtis Granderson is the key player for this team. With him hitting well, they win. When he is out of the lineup or doesn’t hit, they lose.

Leadoff triples are very nice things.

84 pitches and we’ve only gone 4 innings? How many times this season have we seen this from JV? What the heck is going on with him? He just can’t seem to blow anybody away any more when he gets two strikes on them. Very perplexing.

–Ed–

4-2 now. It seems like the Tigers suddenly remembered they were playing the Mariners.

Sorry for so many posts, but one comment: The problem with Verlander is clear: He’s not throwing strikes.

Watch out Edgar,That youngster,Holimon looks like he wants to play……Yeah Steve,Wont be long for JV now….93 pitches thru 5…Only hope we score enough for the pen

JV’s not the only Tiger pitcher not throwing strikes. Team has given up 333 walks so far this year. That averages out to almost 4 per game. It’s curious that Boston pitching has nearly as many walks as us, but their pitchers have nearly twice the number of K’s as Tiger pitchers which apparently gets them out of jams.

–Ed–

oh that was a hell of a DP clete/polanco! way to fall down idiot seattle guy.
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mike
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ps.
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mmm vodka and lemonaid

Zumaya looked strong in the 8th. Interesting speculation with him.
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Of more immediate importance is that JL start JV on Tuesday so he can go against the Twins on Sunday. I don’t want to let them out of town without having to face the big guy. Besides, I want to see what Justin does the first time Gomez squares to bunt. You remember the comments Gomez made. One way to stop someone from bunting is to throw right at his face. Just the way the game is played.
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I like Sheff going up the middle. It’s the classic way to break a slump. He just now yanked one down the line.
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Four hits for Joyce and he wins the Chevy? Even before Hollimon got these hits tonight, I thought he was looking a lot more comfortable out there. Just in time to be replaced by Santiago. Oh well.
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Streaky Pudge is hot right now.
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–Rich

KC won tonight….But,Chicago got beat…GO TIGERS!

TJ is trying to keep us up all night and make this game a little more exciting

JL ain’t playin’ around with these guys anymore. Bye bye Todd.
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–Rich

That’s a save for Rodney, isn’t it?
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–Rich

Nice catch Clete! With Thomas, Joyce, and Hollimon this Tiger defense looks a whole lot better.

A one pitch save.

Yes it is Rich.Clete didnt do a lot with the bat tonight,but,I thought he was stellar out in the field.He was a pleasure to behold.Games are lots more fun for me when they are played well,and Clete is fun to watch out there.Great potential with him,I hope we keep him up here awhile.In fact all the youngsters played pretty good tonight.Way to go Tigers.KEEP IT GOING

Zumya as a starter does not make a lot os sense to me.
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-He’s been groomed as fireballing reliever
-He’s (as has been mentioned) a 2 pitch pitcher
-The more pitches he throws the more chance he has to be reinjured
-His explosive style is more akin to a sprinter than a marathoner
-The more time off you give him between starts would drive him nuts
-The more time off you gave him would lead to non-baseball related injuries
-This team actually NEEDS a closer. You want Todd Jones again next year?

2008 Season (LHP Ian Oslund)
Team League W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO GO/AO AVG
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TOL INT 2 0 3.18 27 0 0 0 0 39.2 37 14 14 5 8 45 0.58 .240
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2008 Season (RHP Blaine Neal)
Team League W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO GO/AO AVG
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TOL INT 1 0 1.53 31 0 0 0 22 29.1 24 8 5 3 9 33 0.89 .214

P.S. JL has a lot of guys in the ” I like him. I like him a lot.” club. Does anybody feel that somehow Marcus Thames does not have full membership privileges in that club? I think charter members may include Aquilino Lopez and Ramon Santiago.

This revision might display better, also has the walks & hits per innings pitch stat added and irrelevant stats normally attributed to starting pitchers removed:
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(LHP Ian Oslund)
Team W L ERA G SV IP H R/ER HR BB/SO WHIP AVG
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Toledo 2 0 3.18 27 0 39.2 37 14/14 5 8/45 1.13 .240
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(RHP Blaine Neal)
Team W L ERA G SV IP H R/ER HR BB/SO WHIP AVG
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Toledo 1 0 1.53 31 22 29.1 24 8/5 3 9/33 1.13 .214
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P.S. JL has a lot of guys in the ” I like him. I like him a lot.”
club. Does anybody feel that somehow Marcus Thames does not have full membership privileges in that club? I think charter members may include Aquilino Lopez and Ramon Santiago.
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P.P.S Clay Rapada has been throwing better down there too. I really can’t see Fossum sticking around much longer.

Copying my reply to the zumaya thing into this relevent thread.
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I am not so sure on Zu being a starter. He was a good starter in the minors .. but that is where you can blow fastballs by hitters. Considering he doesn’t have the good 2nd, 3rd or 4th pitch … he just lives and dies with his fastball.
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His temperament is suited for a closer/setup man. We know what he said the other day : Batters expect the fastball from me and i will go right after them .. etc etc.. So we don’t think that a mature approach.
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I know JL/DD’s considerations if they are thinking of such a move :
1. We need Starting Pitching
2. Todd Jones is our Closer this year, and Zumaya can’t be.
3. Dolsi showed more promise(and smartness) as a closer. So he might be our closer of the future.
4. Zumaya can’t seem to stay healthy. With his history of injuries, if he is hurt again, he will be 1 of 5 starters. The club can absorb that hit. But as a closer, if he is injured, there would be panic.
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Even though all these reasons are good, this move, if made, will backfire unless Zumaya masters and throws a couple of other pitches.

Yep, I pondered all last night on the Tigers wanting to make Zu a starter,and after much thought, I came up with this….WHAT A DUMB IDEA!…Dan and Bhavin just gave all the right reasons why it is a dumb idea…….So, when do you guys think JL will make the switch?????????

No time soon, if it all. It’s all speculation. And it’s something you do over the offseason.
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In the long term, the club has to consider the starting staff. Rogers is 43. Willis is a question mark. Bonderman may or may not be able to come back. Nate gets hit. And they’ve traded some potential starters. If they consider pitchers, any pitchers, in the organization as starters, it’s no big deal.
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But I’ll play along. Zumaya does have more pitches, he just doesn’t need to use them and they’re probably ineffective at this point anyway. He started in the minors. He’s young. You team him with say, Verlander, Bonderman, Porcello, and Galarraga and you’ve got a staff you can use for a long time.
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But I’d say this all has little to do with this season. Too much can happen, too much up in the air. If Leyland had answered “absolutely not” then Zumaya did become a starter, we’d be on him for BS again. I think he gave an honest answer to a not very worthwhile question, at least worthwhile at this point in time.
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Let’s ask JL if he’d consider getting Ichiro. :-)
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–Rich

Now that I think about it, I’ll give Lynn Henning credit for not asking JL for his opinion on the A-Rod/Madonna story. Jim’s answer to THAT would have been worth a soundbite! :-)
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–Rich

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