Inge swings in cage

He’s still dealing with the oblique strain, and probably will be for a while, but he said he felt good taking swings off of soft tosses in the cage. As long as he can do that, he should be able to play, though he admits he’s probably going to feel the effects of the oblique for a little while longer before it recovers.

TIGERS (34-38)

  1. Granderson, CF
  2. Polanco, 2B
  3. Guillen, 3B
  4. Ordonez, RF
  5. Cabrera, 1B
  6. Thames, LF
  7. Renteria, SS
  8. Rodriguez, C
  9. Bonine, P

PADRES (31-43)

  1. Jody Gerut, CF
  2. Edgar Gonzalez, 2B
  3. Brian Giles, RF
  4. Adrian Gonzalez, 1B
  5. Chase Headley, 3B
  6. Scott Hairston, LF
  7. Khalil Greene, SS
  8. Michael Barrett, C
  9. Greg Maddux, P

65 Comments

Inge out again. Time for Pudge to literally step up to the plate.
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Sheffield not playing tonight for Lakeland.
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I have an unreliable source who says Dontrelle Willis has been seen in the Bay area warming up in a Pony League game.

I think the plan for Willis is probably having to start from scratch. I don’t think the Tigers expect him to be back this season, but if he is .. it would be a plus.
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Sending him down to Lakeland, and with his command issues, it might be mental and physical. He might be on the slow track. As wild as he was, the tigers probably are hoping that the investment pays off in the next 2 years.

Our boy Brent tagged one for the Hens tonight. He is having a great year down there and I think is first in line for an OF spot here in Detroit. Thomas and Joyce have an advantage in batting left=handed, and they are good all-around players but Clevlen has got something special about him.
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I must admit that i was pleasantly surprised to see marcus in the lineup tonight. I thought Jl might slip Thomas in there.
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Good on ya’ Jim–that was the right thing to do.

I asked a questio a few days ago. Is anyone else concerned about the way Magglio is playing?

dan-
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you mean the 1st pitch swings, or the 2nd pitch DP ball?
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lol…….
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well not really anything to LOL about…
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mike

Dan, I think Maggs has something in his side, a sore muscle or something. He’s not looking too good lately. Maybe the off day will have helped.

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–Rich

did i hear the SD announcer say his favorite movie was ‘the devil wears prada???”
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wow….
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idk even know what to say……….. yikes….
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mike

If this ump is going to give Maddux those calls, we won’t score much more, if at all.
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–Rich

I was just going to comment on the ump. Maggs’ was close but Carlos’ was not even close.
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Bonine is going to have to pitch better than his last one tonight.

Let’s go boys. Do not be “polite” with Mr Maddux.

Mike,are you still listening to the SD broadcast?The announcers just came out and accused Pudge of steroid use without actually saying it.At least that was the insinuation I took from it.By any chance did you catch it?

Holy crap! Maddux is indeed dealin’. He has made Placido look bad twice now. Granderson may have been thrown out but I sure like to see him run and try to get something going. I have always thought they don’t run him enough.

They are going to hoave to hit better than this to win this one. Bonine will not be able to hold these guys down too much longer. Maddus is a great pitcher but they should be hitting him. They look a little bewildered tonight.

Pretty impressive job by Bonine. Smart pitcher, nice instincts, good glove, bat on the ball twice.
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Hope the hitters can pick him up here and make this right.
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The plate ump is a bit inconsitent. The 3-2 pitch on A Gonzales was called a strike earlier on other hitters.

Bonine pitched 6 … think JL will PH for him if his spot comes up ?

Polite baseball. Letting Maddux off the hook with all this 1st pitch hitting.

that was a quick 7th for the tigers .. i think they are being impatient again today …

need to make a change right now … before they score more … bonine is done … pitches are off …

Looks like he sent Bonine back out for the seventh because of the pinch hitter thing. I think if it’s AL rules, Eddie doesn’t pitch the seventh. He hung one to three straight hitters and was lucky to only get burned once. How about Rodney in the 7th, PH for him, then Zumaya in the 8th? That’s what those guys are here for.
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–Rich

He still pitched a good game. Shame a relatively light hitter took him downtown. We needed another run to win anyway now we need it to tie.
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Not sure why JL is so fixated on putting in a defensive replacement for Marcu. he has made some pretty nice catches over the years and has done really well in the field this year.

yeaaa polly

He sure turned on that one. That’s the way he hit ‘em in NY!
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My guess is we will see Rodney.
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Hold your breath.

Forget holding your breath. This is gonna be torturous.

Time for rodney to go .. he has boatload of confidence .. thanks to JL

C’mon JL, get him outta there.

Everytime this happens, I wonder if THIS will be the time they finally realize this dude can’t cut it. I’ve been waiting and waiting.
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–Rich

Leyland drives me nuts. Tie game and he puts Rodney in. After he said he wanted to ease him in and didn’t and it backfired. You’d think he would have used him 2 days ago with the 5 run lead but no, let’s wait til the game is on the line. JL has hurt this team as much as anything else this year.

So much for Rodney .. this wasn’t his night at all!

Dan,
I don’t think JL wanted to pitch Rodney in that 5 run game.. cuz that would be on back to back days .. JL was easing him in. :)

Again .. we are so lucky to have Rodney, fossum and Seay in the pen .. I know i have been harping on this a lot .. but can’t anybody else see that ?
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Rapada
Bautista
Lopez
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Where are you :)

Leyland is playing mind games with his pitchers. Rodney is going to go mental like Dontrelle the way he is being handled. It was the same thing with Willis. There were many chances to get Dontrelle some big league innings in non pressure situations. Same thing happening with Rodney. Where do you go with him next? It’s all backwards. Throwing these games away will cost us at the end of the year.

That’s painful. This bullpen has been an albatross for us and I don’t see it getting any better anytime soon.
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Fossum has never impressed me, Seay has no confidence, Rodney is not even trade bait after his “injuries” and his ongoing inability to get a fastball over the plate for 2 years now.

If we win this year, it will be despite of managing, not because of managing.
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Had a chance to make up a game on the sox.
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Be prepared for the standard BS .. We didn’t make the pitches we needed to make, we gotta score more runs .. maddux pitched great..
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How about saying that the game and roster was managed badly?

Joe Coleman might inherit the entire bullpen.Maybe he can send us his pen from Lakeland

Leyland really should be feeling sheepish. Zumaya did OK but neither he Nor Rodney really had any bsusiness in this tight a game.
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I’m sorry for repeating this over and over, but I can’t forgive the guy for handling the Rodney situation the way he did. He lost even more credibility with that than he already had with the Sheffield mismanagement.
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Sometimes you just lose and to be fair it felt like this was one of those games when the bats went to sleep after curtis’ leadoff HR. But Polanco got them back in it and they could not hold it That brings us back to bringing Rodney in—-oiops I already said that didn’t I?
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Bad game + Bad managing = a Bad loss

Yep .. Something wrong with maggs .. he was hacking on everything…

Certainly looks like the bullpen is in bad shape. What was wrong with Bautista? Why is Lopez being changed to a starter? Bring back Rapada. It is time for a serious look at who else can help, either from the system or from outside.

I think they should sit him. He is not playiang well, not hitting with authority and looks almost disinterested.
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I see Rodney’s ERA is 135. I guess that is better than infinite.
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Things always look a bit dismal after a loss, I mean we did just take 8 of the last 10, but truth is there is little possibility of a successful season with this bullpen. It’s bad.

I’m only going to put a small portion of this on JL, and you know why? Because these are supposed to be big league pitchers, not 12-year olds. Fernando Rodney has been and continues to be a huge waste of time for this organization. Why should Leyland have to be a psycho-therapist for this guy? What kind of big league pitcher, short of Ricky Wild Thing Vaughn, throws 8 consecutive balls and nearly kills a hitter in the process? Rodney has been hyped up as part of some dynamic duo, but the truth is, he’s never been a very effective pitcher, much less one you could actually count on.
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So we’ve come full circle, back to the original problem, the bullpen. Both Fossum and Seay are a no-go for a contender, so they may as well try Rapada now. Again. I was afraid they’d jumped the gun on designating Bautista. Lopez will need to be brought back. All these managerial machinations are resulting in zero.
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Okay, just one game, although they’re adding up. Bonine pitched pretty good, although I’m waiting to see what AL hitters do with him. I hope JL doesn’t blame this on a lack of offense, because A) Maddux is a tough and crafty old veteran, and B) you’ve still got to find ways to win this kind of game. We’ve done very little of the latter.
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I will give JL full blame if he uses Rodney again. And I’m being patient here. We don’t need head cases on this team. We’ve got enough problems as it is, trying to create a team during the season.
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–Rich

Yeah, I was surprised Rapada was gone. I though Bautista had a chance to make it. I think they should ship Rodney out. I’m serious, even if he does come back and throw a couple of good games he will always be susceptible to control issues and mental (geez that sounds awful) problems. Fossum has shown he does not belong. More than once he has shown that. He should go to.
Lopez has performed well all year. Forget starting him, get him back in the bullpen and while you’re at it, let’s take a look at Blaine Neal.
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The jury is out on Zoom, but at least he has a heart and throws the ball near the plate.
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They also need to hit the ball when one of their guns is not. Ordonez is in a bit of a funk but that shouldn’t creep into his mates.
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Did I say I was disappointed in the way Leyland has handled the Rodney issue?

The bullpen would not seem so bad if it wasn’t mismanaged. I should have included the 3 games that Cruceta blew before being exiled as another mismanagement. Dolsi and Miner have been pitching well for the last 20 games. I can’t understand why Rodney wouldn’t have to work his way back into the key situations. Leyland did the same thing at the beginning of the year when Lopez and Bautista were pitching well, he kept throwing Cruceta out there to blow games.
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The physical part of Cruceta, Willis and Rodney has affected the team since they were put in situations where the team could lose games and guess what… they did.
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The mental part of the game affects the whole team with moves like these. The players would never admit it, but the “flow” of the team keeps getting interrupted by the leader. I don’t know if it stubborness or what….. why keep slamming your head against the wall.
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Not enough emphasis is being put on the play on the field with the 2008 Tigers for deciding who should be put in situations to win games. We are too worried about the “rank and status” of the players and it keeps costing us games.

We pretty much agree on things Rich but I do blame JL a lot. He has been very narrow-minded about this and yes, Rodney is a head case but Leyland went to him. Even when his instincts told him no. Tonight was as stupid as it gets. A tie game in the 8th and you put in a pitcher who you are HOPING can throw strikes? It border on being unforgivable. I blame him hard. There’s not a whole lot to work with but Dolsi does come to mind.
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Leyland won’t be happy until he gets to implement his “formula”: Rodney in the 7th, Zumaya in the 8th and Jones in the 9th.
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This is the “Hope & Dream” formula that he figures if it works once, will correct all the problems.

From Leyland’s postgame: “If you can’t get the ball over the plate up here, you can’t pitch up here.” Also, and gruffly put, “I don’t know anything about mechanics, I’m not a pitching coach.”
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Sounds like, on this night at least. he’s had it up to here.
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Management in general, not just JL, has used a lot of the wrong guys this season.
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So……. Zumaya looked okay to me, considering the situation, and I can’t believe how much weight he’s lost. He’s still firing up the radar so, as usual, it’s about location and getting good use out of the curveball. I have to admit, Guillen is really playing some good thirdbase. Ordonez, I think, is under the weather and is probably also in a plain old batting slump. He’ll be back in form. Granderson showed signs of heating up. All is not lost, but it keeps getting tougher. And I’m still not sure who in the AL Central we’re supposed to be chasing.
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Looks like we need to plug Dolsi into whatever situation we’d normally use Rodney, and just be finished with Fernando once and for all. We need a lefty in the pen, be it Rapada or someone via trade. Dan, I haven’t been following Blaine Neal, outside of your comments, but bring him on. This bullpen needs help. And let’s not throw Miner to the back of the bus either. We have got to get around these reputations and start going with guys who can do the job.
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I hate this west coast stuff. It’s nearly 1:30 here. Sure, tomorrow is Saturday but still, it’s too late.
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Outta here for the night.
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–Rich

They pretty much have to bring Rapada back. Must be nice to be left-handed eh?
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They will be stubborn about Lopez. I would not mind seeing him stretched out as a starter but he is needed in the pen right now. There is not a stabilizing force out there and he would be the closest thing to it. Bonince might be able to miuck it out as a starter and if not then have Illitch go out and get one. There’s a ton of them out there right now.
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The best tonic for this bullpen is for the offense to go out and get them a decent lead. None of them are ready for the pressure of a tight game.
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I read a quote from Rodney about Bowker the other day–something about the guy “just happened to go out and it” like it was a one off or something. I think he has already forgotten that 2 guys hit doubles off him after that! What a trip. He’s pitched to 7 batters and 6 have reached base.
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Darn typos: Should read “just happened to go out and get it”

Neal has only walked 6 batters in 25 + innings. has 21 saves, 29 Ks and an ERA of 1.40

Actually Cruceta has thrown really well down there too.

On my nerves beyond belief??? Now I unlike some of you am not ready to give up on F-Rod quite yet. Am I the only one who remembers that he was pretty darn good in 2006 with and ERA in the low to mid 3 range, and he was excellent after he got straightened around last year. In fact I think that in ’06 he had 11 or 12 saves when Jones was out at the beginning of the year. I don’t like the situations that he has been brought into. That being said he is a big league pitcher and it isn’t as though he hasn’t been in them before.
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The one that I really don’t understand is why is Fossum up her I don’t believe that he has had one good outing. Rapada is the other lefty that should be up here. And I am not sure why he isn’t that really ticks me off. And Lopez, he was great, I know they want him to be a starter, but lets face it he could be stretched out up here. Joba Chamberlien did it, why not AKI???
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This bullpen has blown a few games lately and almost blew a few others and it cannot be tolerated. Cleveland and Minnesota both won yesterday, and we screwed up another opportunity on a team that supposedly cannot score runs. Who cannot score runs??? Magglio needs a day off he is not hitting well at all. I know his back is bothering him and it is making the team suffer.

gk, I may be one of the only Tiger fans on this blog to agree with you on not giving up on Rodney just yet. I know he’s had two rather inauspicious outings, but if we evaluated this whole team on just two games, they’d all be gone!!! Rich, I like you, have never felt comfortable when Fernando enters a game. But he has a history of success against both leftys and rhb which is a great weapon to have if he can just get his act together. It’s true, we lost a chance to pick up a game on the White Sox, but it’s imperative we find out something about these two (Rodney and Zumaya). If we are going to make a charge, JL needs to see these guys in situations like last nite. What would it prove if we put them in when the Tigs were up by a boatload of runs? That’s the same as using Jonesy in the ninth in a non-save situation (where he usually gives up a couple and makes us all queasy). I’m all for giving these guys at least two weeks to show what they got. If we can stay around five games out around the All-Star break, then I think we will be in good shape to make a second half charge. If we drop out of it, then it just wasn’t our year and we start thinking about what and who we want around in 2009.

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Well I think you gatta give Rodney a shot. You ar right about not giving up on him yet but I believe you have to be READY to give up on him and not beat a dead horse.
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Rodney did pitch well in 2006 but that was 2 years ago. This is now. He has gone through a couple of bouts of tendonitis, tired arm aor some other strange malady numerous times. His character is in question, as is his temperment for the late inning work.
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He may well be done and they need to be cognizant of that.
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One thing for sure I wouldn’t do is to keep throwing him into games where 24 other guys stand to go back to the hotel a loser based on his performance. This team can not afford to lose games and they can’t afford to develop a laissez-faire attitude about it when they do. This season is not over and they need to work hard to be consistent with their play.
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It wasn’t there yesterday. The lack of hitting rered its ugly head once again.
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I’d like to see Leyland inject a little energy into today’s game. Ordonez needs to sit, it’s obvious. Let’s get Clete in there and give Cab a shot at hitting cleanup.
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Time to send Hollimon down. He’s basically an ornament on the bench and there really is no where he can play to contribute. We’d be better off with Freddie Guzman. At least he would add a base running threat. I know he can’t play short, but either should Hollimon.
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Same goes for Larish. If they don’t use him as their primary DH (and I think it’s a shame to waste his youth doing that), then send him down too. These guys both need to be playing. I would rather see our bench a little more functional.
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This is a time where they absolutely need to put the machine in gear. They have to take advantage of the positive things that are happening and not circumvent success by blowing games with the bullpen or having less than good at bats.
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Polanco is hitting
Granderson is holding his own against LHP
Thames is impacting games with bat and glove
The starters are pitching well as a rotation
Guillen is looking like a third baseman
Cabrera is making some great digs at 1B
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It’s time to take advantage of these things and try to augment them.
Renteria needs to turn it up a notch
Pudge needs to respect the strike zone in his ABs
Cabrera needs to assert himself with his bat
JL needs to accept realities and not expect “yesterdays” will become “todays”
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Meanwhile, down on the farm, no sign of Dontrelle:
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Today’s Probable Pitcher: Lakeland – Guillermo Moscoso 1-2, 4.11
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My unreliable source says Dontrelle has been demoted from Lakeland (apparently this is in keeping with the Tigers’ plans to keep him out of the media spotlight) and is now in Alameda where he is throwing in the back yard with his mother Joyce. They believe he will be ready for Fantasy Batting Practice in September.

GK,I`m not sure about Rodney,I cant figure out if he has a confidence problem. Sometimes I wonder that when he throws all those changeups if he isnt messing up his arm speed delivery for the fastball. I wish Chuck would take him aside in practice and make him throw nothing but fastballs and see what he can do with control.But, I`ve always though he is afraid to use that fastball for strikes and just uses it to set up his changeup.I think he uses that changeup far too much.I`ll bet if someone could track his pitches from 2002-2008 they would find a substantial increase in his changeup to fastball ratio(if there is such a stat),but my fear for him is that he doesnt trust his fasball and he is pitching scared.JL should fix whatever it is now,cause his career is on the line………..Did you hear JL remark about mechanics?……..You would think that someone who spent his whole career catching would know agreat deal of mechanics……….I hope he pulls a Colorado on us…..The sooner the better…….He`s wasting Illitch money and causing my blood pressure to go through the roof

I meant 2006-2008.Ever notice whenever someone has control problems,they go on the DL for tendonitisI think half the time head on itis. Just wish they would use Miner more,at least right now. Our rock star status bullpen is going to get us right back in the cellar,although Zu looked pretty good for his first game back

Just think how many games have been lost this year because of the inability for our pitchers to throw strikes. The starters have finally staabilized this problem to a great degree, but it continues to haunt the bullpen; does the name Cruceta ring a bell? Even Seay and Minor earlier were having woes with allowing too many walks; I think it’s the reason Bautista was designated. I would be inclined to switch Minor and Bonine, only because it appears that Bonine has a little more command. I don’t see walks as critical in the first five innings of a game(unless your’e Willis), as in the late innings where you are tied or down a run. Then the walk, especially leadoff walks generally become the final naill in the coffin. I believe that Minor has Major league stuff; he has proved it in the past. Just a thought, but it does seem that the walks in the late innings or the killer right now.

Greg

Greg,I`d be reluctant to move Bonine to the pen.He doesnt have a power arm,which I think is what management looks for in a reliever.Case in hand is Lopez,They want to make him a starter,because he really cant blow the ball by anyone.with men on base you want that strikeout guy out there.Funny that they dont apply the same logic regarding leftys.Robertson could be a power lefty out of the pen,(he`d have to change his style and start pitching in on them like he usede too) Currently Seay and Fossum are useless in that role.They are both contact pitchers,more suited for starting than they are for holding inherited runners.Rapada with his deceptive motion might be pretty good against the leftys too,But I think rightys will clobber him,so he is a one or 2 batter specialist at best……..Maybe Rodney is trying to throw his fastball to hard,I just cant figure him out

Don’t disagree with you at all, but as you saw last night, the San Diego guy caught up with a Zumaya pitch that clocked 100. Sometimes, I think the finess guys can avoid that walk and maybe induce a double play. Certainly would cede the point that in sutuations with runners on, that you defer to a power arm. last night, we were even up, and needed a strike thrower to begin the 8th., not necessarily a strilkeout at the time. Food for tought. Thanks for the response Bruce.

These are all good comments. I certainly can’t dispute a single thing that’s been said here. Most of the ideas being forwarded are worthwhile. And probably none of them will be acted upon. We are all guessing, though, and so is Leyland.
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Speaking of JL, when he said he didn’t know mechanics, he wasn’t a pitching coach, I took it as he was just blowing off that question. He said it with that familiar inflection he gets. Anytime I see him asked a reasonable question, it seems to get blown off that way. Oh well, that’s him. He may be more forthcoming when cameras aren’t rolling, in fact, he probably is. Maybe he should have more interview appearances with Rod Allen, that seemed to go well the other day. Away from the just completed game and all.
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There’s nothing in the stats that would justify my low opinion of Rodney. Again, I’ve observed by watching, as Yogi says. I don’t know if it’s confidence, mechanics, the phase of the moon, whatever, but I think you’re more likely to get a poor performance than a good one.
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Having said that, I agree that it’s useless to put him in nice cozy little spots to build him up. We could do that for two weeks then the first time the game is on the line, he may blow up again.
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It’s really too bad, because he seems to be a nice and quiet fellow from what I’ve seen of him. Maybe that’s the entire problem. It’s also possible that he’s taken up baseball as a career because it’s a way to support his family, but doesn’t really care to be a ballplayer. The same situation some of us find ourselves in with our jobs. But here again, I’m just guessing along.
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I still maintain we have guys that can help right here in the organization, but they’re being mis-used.
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Rodney’s eyes are the telling story. They say,”what am I doing her now. The lack of confidence and passion is hollow.

Greg

Rich,
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about the statement From Leyland’s postgame: “If you can’t get the ball over the plate up here, you can’t pitch up here.” Also, and gruffly put, “I don’t know anything about mechanics, I’m not a pitching coach.”
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Sounds like pretty much common sense. BUT my problem is that it is JL’s job to know that Rodney is a head case, and he can’t throw him in this situation.
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These points have been made before on this blog. Its common sense that Rodney needs to prove he can pitch at this level again before you put him in again in crunch time situations. The manager has to handle each person/personality according to his strength and weaknesses. and NOT impose his own personality on the player.
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Zumaya might have been ok if he didn’t have to deal with Fossum’s runners on base. He fits that personality that JL tried to impose on Miner, Rodney and Cruceta.
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It’s JL’s conviction that if someone has a bad outing, he throws them out there again till they get better. Anyone who does better is rested (even though he says he likes to ride the hot hand) All pitchers/hitters who pitch good, or get back on track are rested. Isn’t that a surefire way to lose games? Puting your struggling players in games day in and day out?
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How many games did these peole get to play when it was apparent that they needed a break ? and even if they finally get it going.. at what cost?
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Sheff
Larrish
Cruceta
Miner( Early on)
Fossum
Seay
They all are inserted especially when struggling.
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Thames
Inge (early)
Dolsi
Miner
They were rested when they were impacting games.
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I have said this before, and will say it again. There are some considerations for the moves that JL/DD make, that we are not privy to. But so many stupid decisions are not acceptable.
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It’s good for the team if Rodney, Sheff et all get back in form, but not at the cost of blowing games. We are desperately in need of wins RIGHT NOW, and planning for down the road is stupid, if that road is going to end abruptly.

Jason, can you find out what is up with Dontrelle? There is no indication that he is gonna be throwing anytime soon and I wonder if you have heard what the plan is/ I would think he needs to be throwing.

Greg, I think that Dolsi might be the kind of pitcher to get that DP or the strikeout.Its awful early in his career,but I have a gut feeling this guy could turn out to be something special.Put him in Rodneys place to clear out the 6th or 7th and come back with Zu to start the next inning.I dont know how to find that inherited runners stat.Somebody mentioned ESPN I think.Seems like I saw last that he had stranded15 of 18 inherited runners. I just hope we keep him around long enough to find out how good he can be.He`s young………I agree 1000 percent with you about tha 100 mph fastball.If Zu gets behind in the count every one in the park including my grandmother knows what is coming next.Its just a matter of timing then

Dolsi has stranded 13 of 16 inherited runners.
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http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/gl.cgi?share=2&n1=dolsifr01&year=2008&t=p#1:15:sum
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–Rich

Miner 9 of 21 scored. Lopez 10 of 22. Cruceta 6 of 8.
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Rodney in 2007: 2 of 13. In 2006: 10 of 23.
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Just thought I’d throw that stuff in while I was there. You’d have to look up a number of pitchers for comparison, or else the stats are pretty meaningless.
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–Rich

Rich,Just read on Tiger News that management has contacted Freddy Garcia about possible contract negotiations.You heard anything about that.

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