Thames' homer streak

At four games, it’s tied for the fifth-longest streak for a Tiger. Willie Horton homered in five straight games in 1969, along with Vic Wertz (1950), Hank Greenberg (1940) and Rudy York (1937). Thames is the 18th Tiger since ’56 to homer in four straight games, the last one being Magglio Ordonez two years ago.

It’s also just the fourth home run Lincecum has allowed in more than 90 innings this season.

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my god he is a BEAST!
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I have nothing left to say.. 2 for 2 w/ 2 HRs off a guy that has given up 3 total in 90+ inns coming in. It’d be fun to see marcus in the HR Derby.

Well ladies and gentlemen, I feel so proud of Marcus I’m almost in tears here. He is hitting something special right now. And he’s making us long time believers look so smart we’re going to have to upsize our hats. Wow….. unbelievable.

Thames last 7 hits… ALL HOMERUNS!!! Wow! That is awesome power.

He’s doing great; I just hope he doesn’t end up like Shelton. He’s gonna fall back to Earth at some point and you hope he starts hitting some singles and doubles, too. If he can do that, too, he will be a starter and the HRs will come back. Don’t get me wrong; I love what he’s doing, I just have seen a lot of hitters have long awful slumps after hitting too many homers in a row. I hope he escapes that.

Gotcha covered on that one, Marty. Three years we’ve been lobbying for Marcus Thames.
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–Rich

Don’t know why he wouldn’t have just sent Renteria up to hit for Hollimon in that spot. Could have kept Verlander in the game.
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Hollimon’s a good kid, but he’s in over his head a little bit. Shortstop is not his main position, and he’s also having to ride the pine for long stretches. Seems to me that Guillen could play the spot when Renteria rests. Perhaps it’s not as simple as all that.
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Wonder if we’ll see Mr. Rodney.
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–Rich

We caught a break there with the call, but I couldn’t really get a definitive look with the poor resolution on my computer screen. I thought the umpire was out of position though. Seems he should have been on the left side of home plate with the play in front of him. The RFer made an excellent play on Renteria’s sinking drive that was also slicing away from him.

To keep Verlander in the game, he would have to bat in the 7th, and i don’t think JL wanted to do that. So he pulled the double switch.
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So much for easing Rodney in :)

Why not let Dolsi get out of his own jam? Now he gets the loss and you lose the confidence of 2 pitchers in making one pitching change. Rodney was in a no win situation. Why bring him in and lose his confidence right off the bat? Exactly what JL said he didn’t want to do. Doesn’t make sense.

Jeff in Canada

So JL said earlier that he’d like to ease him in with an outing before throwing him into setup duty in a close situation.
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Not only, he doesn’t listen to others, but he doesn’t even listen to himself :).
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He loves to throw people in the fire/under the bus. It’s becoming his passion.

You know…. I LOVE Rodney as a set up man…. but WHY in the world did Leyland take out Dolsi tonight???? It was ANOTHER stupid pitching call made by Leyland. Rodney, will be ok as time goes on……. but the fans should not be getting so jacked up about him and especially Zumaya coming back. Zumaya (errr I thought the strike zone was 5 ft wide??) will have nights where he’s getting teed off on….(as in overrated)… while Dolsi is about 1/3 better the pitcher.

Watch how this all plays up. The hype will not be equaled by the results….

If we lose this one, it’s a no decision for our pitchers, and a loss for our Manager.

Sheffield went 0 for 2 with a walk tonight and declared himself as good as ever. Hey Jim, might as well call him up, bat him 3rd tomorrow and sit Thames. That would be a comparable move to Rodney for Dolsi tonight.
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Where does that move leave Dolsi and Rodney now? What is your next move? So stupid, especially knowing it would be better off letting Rodney getting some confidence first.

Even if he has to pull Dolsi, you either get Todd jones for 5 outs, or get Bautista. It’s not like Rodney didn’t have control problems just last week, and at the AAA level.
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Rodney would be fine eventually, but to expect a setup guy to come back after a few months, who is battling control problems, do this kind of job, it’s nuts. Even if Rodney had started this inning, it wouldn’t be half as bad, with bases empty.
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We could have caught up with cleveland ..

I had a bad feeling when Rodney went in. The Tigers begin to come together as a team and JL immediately throws in the new kid in town, and sits down a guy who has been very reliable in pressure situations.

Rich,You read my mind.Why start Holimon in an NL game.CG at short Inge at 3rd. Why not PH for Holimon. Ireally wanted to see JV in the 7th,regardless if the 8 spot comes through. Rodney threw 3 straight changeups 1 fastball and then a belt high changeup for the homer.I`ve never heard of a pitch selection like that and am curious as to how it happened.Dolsi gave a bloop single and a seeing eye grounder,but he still has an excellant sinker,which has a better chance for 2 than constant changeups.Disappointment and confusion.What the heck kind of baseball do you call that.

We all knew that JL would not follow through with what he said anyway. I mean, c’mon, we knew that.
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Great point by my fellow Canuck–about the confidence issue.
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Fossum was the guy to bring in, if anybody at all. It was downright hopeful stupidity and regressive for Leyland to put Rodney in, in that situation. If it works out JL looks like a mastermind and I have a feeling that maybe what compelled him to do it.
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Dolsi was pitching fine. He had a couple of bad breaks but was getting the ball over the plate and pitching with confidence. The hit by Rowand was really quite lucky–it’s not like Dolsi was getting tagged out there. Regardless, Rodney was the worst possible choice to put in that situation.
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Damn shame as Verlander deserved that one. JL was on a path for defeat in this game anyway as he had the temerity to start Hollimon at SS. I mean to start a kid from Toledo who had not played SS all year (OK, one game at Toledo before he was called up). Leyland seemed to have that chip of arrogance on his shoulder form the gitgo. The inexperieince of Hollimon actually gave the Giants a foothold they may not well have gotten.
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Tough loss (and I say that with Renteria coming up) and it is going to be real important for them to turn things around abruptly tomorrow to prevent the scenario that happened after the NY series from happening again.
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What I find ironic is that JL is of date the one and only Tiger selected to the All Star game.Stunning!!!!!!

Verlander had his helmet and bat as Hollimon hit. If the kid had brought the run in, JV hits and stays in the game. So, since Renteria was going to replace Hollimon anyway, why not just have him PH for him? If Edgar had gotten that run home, then Verlander bats and pitches the seventh, thereby saving Dolsi for a single inning, the eighth. No Rodney, straight to your closer. I suppose Leyland will be rough with the media again tonight.
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Yep, same old Rodney, confidence all shot now. He remains in there though, as half of the Rodney/Zumaya thing. Butch and Sundance, Heckel and Jeckel, Eek and Meek, what have you.
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I wonder if Renteria couldn’t have knocked down that single in the eighth? Would have helped to keep that runner at second. He didn’t lay out for it.
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I don’t think this loss will have repercussions team-wise, but I’ve lost all confidence in Leyland to run this show. Doesn’t matter what I think, though.
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–Rich

Leyland is definitely responsible for that loss IMO. Aside from the fact that Rodney threw the pitch I think JL was sending signals to Pudge.
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Aside from al lthis, it really bugs me to listen to Leyland say anything to the press anymore. There was no point in saying that he wasn’t going to put Rodney in a pressure cooker situation off the bat. I know this is only one game but how many times this year has Leyland “reneged” on a statement that he made? Say what you mean and mean what you say. If you are losing credibility with the fans then I would imagine that there is a danger that he might lose credibility with his players too.
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I am not a Rodney fan and have always thought that he has motivational problems. I have even thought him to be somewhat of a malingerer but this was not his fault tonight.
JL had visions of grandeur with one of his golden boys coming back and those visions came up and bit him in the ***.
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At least the guys came back against a tough nut and put together a couple of runs and with a bit of a break may have come back. They didn’t quit and that is a very positive sign.
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Ya figure Inge catches tomorrow?

Yeah, Istil cant understand why you start Holimon at short. 1 game in the minors is what someone already posted.He would have had 2 errors in the game had anyone else besides Molina been running to 2nd.Could have been 3-2 instead of 3-3 in the 6th. No reason to PH for JV for sure.And even at 3-3 with our bullpen, in my mind Verlander pitches the 7th and possibly the 8th.His stuff was still good.I`m not second guessing (for me,JV bats regardless what happens in the 8 hole.

I don’t know why I bother to listen to Trevor Thompson interview Jim Leyland.
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Four changeups in five pitches. I have to wonder about what the catcher is calling and what the pitcher is accepting. I’ve been watching Brandon Inge control the game and force these guys to throw what he wants. Just a thought.
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I think we’re still okay, team scrapped pretty good. I just wish the manager would do a better job managing the personnel he has. Some of the problems they’re having to overcome shouldn’t be problems in the first place.
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–Rich

Dan, you and I are thinking the exact same things.
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I think that’s because we are seeing the forest through the trees and JL is not able to do the same. He still is prone to “hope and dream” and thinks that if he stubbornly “wills” a situation hard enough then it will materialize for him.
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Even when Rodney was healthy he was a disappointment. JL’s insistence at finding an 8th inning setup man in Rodney is nothing more than a velleity on Leyland’s part.
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Maybe I should look on the bright side, even if Rodney gets the outs we would have had to endure Todd Jones in the 9th!!
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Kidding aside, we are going to have sojme serious bumps with Zumaya too, but I can tel you one thing about Zoom, you will never see the fear of failure in his eyes like we do with Rodney or Jones. If he can command his fatball in the upper 90’s he will end up being our closer this year. And if he doesn’t, well then I’m afraid it ain’t gonna be our year.

sorry for the typos. It’s getting late plus my adrenaline is still amped up!!
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I don’t suppose we will see Rodney tomorrow but my guess is if we are fortunate to get a big lead on Thursday we’ll see Jimbo bring him into the situation that he said he would in the first place.
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Didn’t hear the interview Rich. Can you recap it perhaps tomorrow?

One last comment. We need more consitent production out of our 3-4-5 hitters.

I say we replace JL with Willie Randolph.
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just kidding.
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sort of

is it possible rodney can join willis in south florida and drive joe coleman crazy.

this guys sucks dump him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well going into this one I had decided that I wasn’t going to be upset if we lost this one. After all we had won 8 of 10 and that is pretty good. Besides we were facing a really tough righty. And we all know that this year they have had a tough time with power righties especially those that are strikeout pitchers.
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Well, I am mad, not at Rodney, Dolsi. But at the pitching staff as a whole. For starters, I know that some of you only want Justin to stike everyone out. Well that isn’t really an efficient way to pitch a game. What I like about his last several games is that he was getting quick outs and staying in the game into the eighth at least. Well, he was stiking eveyone out last night and he ran up his pitch count. He wasn’t going in back in the eighth he was at 100 pitches. But if he had 10-15 less pitches he is going in regardless of the switch. I really wonder if he was trying to prove he could strikeout just as many as Licecum???? Not to be out boywondered???? And after they scored for him he couldn’t get a shut down inning.
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Beyond that I differ from most of you, IMO I don’t think that Dolsi should of come in for the 8th, he has pitched a lost lately and I think it was just too much. If you bring Rodney in the first of the inning you may have a different story??? IMO.
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So it is real disappointing that they beat boy wonder and wind up blowing it in the end. That is what bothers me. I know I am crazy, I wasn’t expecting to win and would of been okay with it, but then they were and frankly was the second game in two days one the relief guys almost blew and this one they did. But to me it starts out with JV and JL. I know not fair to JV but to me he never had the shutdown inning after we scored and I didn’t like their approach to the hitters. Am I wrong??

gk, I don’t think we can pin this one on JV. I am much encouraged by his last 2 starts. 6 innings –2ER, 1BB, 1HB. last night. He’s throwing more strikes, and more first pitch strikes, than he was in earlier outings. You can’t fault a guy for getting K’s. I do question, as others have, why Renteria didn’t PH for Hollimon. I believe JV would have stayed for one more inning had Hollimon (or Renteria in Hollimon’s place) gotten the run in. You can question JL, but I don’t think you can fault JV’s effort in this one.

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Well GK you are the only one, so far, suggesting that JV’s performance was less than perfect. Interesting take. I have to say you might have something there. Given JV’s personality and ego, he may have been compromising a more conservative efficient approach, trying to out flash the boy wonder as you put it. Still, his control was decent most of the time and to be fair, he was dominating a majority of the time, and he should have been ahead 3-2 after 6. Unfortunately Hollimon cost the Tigers that first run with the botched DP throw to second.
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If this had been Hollimon’s one game audition he would have flunked. That bad throw, another poor throw to second on Molina, and the inability to get Pudge home with 0 outs in the 7th were examples of nervousness…. ok choking. But I’m not second guessing JL on playing him. That’s easy to do after the game is over. I agree, if you’re going to start him, it would be wiser to play him at his natural position 2B. But, you know what, given the option of sitting Renteria or Polanco, it’s a no brainer for me. So I got no problem with it.
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I had no problem with Hollimon hitting in the 7th for that matter, but a drag bunt squeeze would have been a good play to put on. Even the announcers said Hollimon had the reputation of being a good bunter. Why not try it?
I hated to see JV get pulled for Renteria, some of you thought Renteria should have pinch hit for Hollimon. That might have been the move to make, but again, hindsight is 20/20. And to be honest Renteria’s sac fly, although almost a hit, really didn’t score Pudge. That was probably a gift, and should have been a double play.
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As far as the 8th inning debacle, I would have kept Dolsi in to sink or swim. He’s already proved he can handle pressure. Why Rodney in that situation!? Goodness gracious JL!….I haven’t seen Fossum pitch so I have no opinion of him. I know he would have been a logical replacement (situational LHP) but I still would have stuck with Dolsi.
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Bottom line, it wasn’t that bad a loss. The Tigers fought hard and stayed focused. Thames is a joy to watch right now. I think this is a pretty good SF team but I think this was the best game they will play in this series. They had their best pitcher and the Tigers coming in off a jet lag flight. I’m hoping the Tigers will get back on track tonight.

First off, I want to say that I don’t think the world is coming to an end with that loss. It was a winnable game, but as GK says, one that I thought would be a struggle going in.
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There was nothing wrong with Verlander’s performance, however. It’s the Giants hitters who were swinging and missing. His pitch count was in good shape and I’m convinced he would have pitched the eighth.
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I say that because, and I’ll repeat, he had his helmet on and bat in hand during the top of the seventh. If the Tigers had taken the lead during Hollimon’s AB, JV hits for himself and stays in the game. My bone of contention here is I thought Renteria should have hit for Hollimon. Marty, this is not hindsight. I can’t call everyone on the phone and announce what strategy I’d like to see at the time, so you’ll just have to trust me on this one. Now, maybe JL wanted to give the kid a boost by showing his faith in him, or maybe he wanted to show off his dazzling understanding of the double-switch, I don’t know. It’s just not the move, or non-move, I thought should have been made. And there’s no guarantee my way would have resulted in a win either. It may have saved Dolsi for the eighth inning alone, though, as you have to think someone would have finally scored Pudge from third.
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Re Rodney. Long time readers here know that I’m no fan. In fact, where many of you get queasy when Jones enters the game, I get that feeling with Rodney. Always have, always will. I think he’s overrated by our own organization and that he should have been traded when his value was higher. Rodney said he’d been flying open on his fastball. Well, he’s been doing that ever since he got here, this is nothing new. You can fix it and it lasts for a day or so. As far as the psycho-babble that we, myelf included, engage in with him, we can’t be sure about that. It does look like it is what it is, however.
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Zumaya will get hit too, at times. I’d use him a lot, but I don’t expect extraordinary things from him. Lots of teams have pitchers who can turn in a sterling performance at times, and so do we. I’ve already grown weary of all this Zumaya/Rodney thing, as my comments have made clear. Two different pitchers, but treated as one unstoppable force by everyone in baseball and in the media.
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Dan, nothing special about Trevor Thompson’s interview of JL. He tossed him some softballs and allowed JL to give positive responses. I realize I’m only seeing what FSN chooses to show us, but I’m saying that I’m going to quit hanging around to see it.
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Back to what I said at the top, the world hasn’t ended. We’re still in good shape for now.
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Great post Marty. Does put some perspective on the the loss as well.
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Verlander is a strikeout pitcher. I guess if you could choose how a game went you might like the way he threw against Chicago with allthe 1st pitch pop-ups and low pitch count. But that game was an anomaly. You can’t predict the flight of a ball that is struck on the first pitch and if you let too many guys get a rip at that 1st pitch fastball there will, normally, a fair share of hits as well. The way Verlander threw last night is the way we need to see him throw.
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I got a bit disgusted with the game after the gopher ball and stopped watching in order to vent here on the blog. Did Rodney get some fastballs over for strikes or did the other ABs go the same way as Bowker’s? I remember last year that his whole problem with being effective was directly related to not being able to throw the fastball over.
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I agree that dolsi should have been left in. Funny JL left him in last week to whiff two under dire circumstances. It was a hope and a dream to wish that Rodney would do that job.
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I’d like to see Ordonez pick up his game. He seems a bit perplexed lately. Kinda on 3/4 speed or something. I know he had his share of hits but he has not had timely ones. I mentioned that we didin’t get production out of the 3-4-5 guys last night. We really need at least 1 of them to be “on” in all our games. Carlos did hit the ball well, but we do need this part of the lineup finding the gaps consistently.
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Marty, those Giant hitters look pretty good to me too. Their record is poor but that is not an easy out lineup is it?
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I think it is probbly wise not too expect too much from Rodney. Especially when everything has gotten inside his head. Unfortunatley this very poor outing will have not done anything to alleviate the self doubt. I think the best idea is to ease him back in in non-pressure stiuations to build up his confidence and his repertoire again. Funny how JL said pretty much the same thing before the game yesterday!
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Totally different character than Zumaya. Zumaya you want to throw in the fire right away (and hope he doesn’t throw his arm out). Zumaya wants the ball in that situation and I am not convinced that Rodney does.
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I would expect Leyland will bench Granderson at least one of these next 2 games. This would be in keeping with how he has backed up his statements lately and that he would play Granderson against southpaws.
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Even an all right lineup could have trouble with Sanchez. He is pretty good one.
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By the way, Joyce is doing pretty well down there on the farm and Clete Thomas is playing again. I presume we will see Thomas recalled (I think he is re-habbing) and either Larish or Hollimon sent down.

Well, Verlander had 98 pitches through 6 innings, which means that he would have likely been pulled at the first sign of trouble in the 7th. I agree that Renteria should have pinch hit for Hollimon as you should go with the more experienced bat in that situation, but it’s not the end of the world.
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The thing that is a shame is that they basically had Lincecum beat and then blew it at the end. It is good however to see the offense keep fighting and put up a couple in the 9th. A few weeks back they would have just bowed out and gone back to the hotel.
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Still a chance for 2 out of 3. Hopefully Rogers can keep it going tonight. Go Tigers!

Dan and Rich, great posts. Rich I absolutely believe you. I never doubt your honesty or integrity. I just meant second guessing in a general way. You would have made that move before anything went down and it very well could have been the right one. If he hits the sac fly in Hollimon’s place, JV stays in the game and then Dolsi pitches the 8th only and Todd finishes. Still a lot of ifs ey? I’m reading what I just wrote and it sounds a tad vague but what I’m trying to say is that I believe you Rich:)
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Thanks Dan for the compliment but I’ll always defer to you and Rich as the experts. And there are several other bloggers who have come on here who can really write as well. It’s getting tougher keeping track of everyone to be honest.
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Dan, I can’t intelligently answer your question on Rodney’s pitching. The announcers were saying that he was throwing a lot of changeups, and it looked like he missed with his first fastball. As usual, he struggled to throw strikes. To be honest, I can’t often tell with the compressed camera view, what pitch he’s throwing. I’m sure if I was standing in the box I’d have a much better perspective:) So I just watch and hope he throws strikes. And yes Rich, I’ve always had more confidence in Jones than Rodney.
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Here’s a thought that’s puzzling me. How is a change up a change up if you throw 4 in a row? What pitch is it a change up from? I may still have a blazing 60 mph fastball left in me, but if I throw 4 40mph change ups am I fooling anybody? or they better be knuckle balls. I’m just trying to be funny. I’m sure if I had to stand in the box against Rodney, I’d have a much healthier respect for this “change up” and what it does. I probably couldn’t hit 10 of them in a row:)

Rich,
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If you saw my last few posts, you can see i do blame JL for the loss. But however much i try, i can’t get around to ur point of view on the JV switch.
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I think JL played it right on that one. We have a man on and we needed a batter to bring him in. If he Pinch hits Renteria for Hollimon, and renteria fails to get pudge in, he has to pinch hit for JV again anyways, and lose another bat on the bench(maybe Larish).
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By leaving Hollimon in, if he gets pudge in, JV stays in the game and Renteria comes in as a defensive replacement anyways. JL was right, trying to keep JV in the game, and preserving pinch hitters on the bench. After Larish, as far as Hitters go, our bench is kinda bare. I don’t like Larish right now, but compared to Inge, Rayburn and Clevelen, any manager would send Larish in to PH. And if the 1st batter fails to bat the run in(Hollimon or Renteria) JV would be out of the game anyway.
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And we needed a sac fly, or a good ground out, not a a hit. Hollimon’s 1st RBI was a sac fly i think. So all considered, this move doesn’t bother me, cuz JL was going for the lead.
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What bothers me like nuts is that he says he knows something might not be good, and then does it anyways. If a manager says that the best for rodney is blah blah .. and does the exact opposite in the game, he has lost his marbles.
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Giving Rodney a 1 run game was supposed to be too much to start, how about giving him the ball in a 1 run game with men on 1st and 3rd. Even if this had worked, I would think JL has lost his marbles. Good decisions sometimes don’t work, and bad decisions sometimes do work. This was a bad decision that didn’t work.
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Go Tigers

bhavin, your point is every bit as valid as mine. Isn’t it fun having no DH? Look at the cool discussions we can get into. I wish they’d do away with the DH permanently.
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Marty, I know you believe me. That time I said a piece of the Hubble space telescope fell onto secondbase at Fenway Park, you believed me. :-) Just kidding.
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As I understand it, Rodney’s changeup does different things. I’ve heard it described as a trick pitch, so I’m guessing it’s about more than just throwing the hitter’s timing off. He started off with it, probably because it’s the one pitch he’s sure he can throw for a strike. Then another, and Bowker looked lost. Then the fastball and Pudge barely speared it, about three feet outside and high. So, guess what’s coming next? Bowker knew it. Still might have worked out but Rodney hung it belt high. Ballgame. I don’t remember much after that either. We could look at the game archive on MLB.TV.
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I’m wondering why we didn’t bring up a real shortstop to replace Santiago? We DO have one, don’t we? And again, I don’t know why Guillen can’t be the temporary backup for Renteria.
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–Rich

Anyone out there notice Jairgens, AGAIN, last night??? Those trades are looming bigger and bigger, aren’t they??

Like I’ve stated a million times since last year….. JL and Dumbrowski have made horrific decisions and they get infatuated too much, with guys that really aren’t all that!!

Just think how stupid the Cabrera trade would have really looked, if he couldn’t play 1st either!?!?!?

Jair is pitching great, and Atlanta would not have considered anything lesser for trading their Shortstop who was among the leaders(leader?) in batting in the NL. Everytime he pitches great, I wonder what may have been.
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We expected him to go down a little bit on his Average. Most people agree that the AL is superior to the AL in Hitting .. For the same reason, pitchers are better in the AL too that they have to face these hitters.
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We have to remember that he is pitching in the NL, where he also faces a pitcher about twice in a game. renteria is doing what we acquired him to do. Fills in well at lead off, better range than Guillen, good average that improving and great in the clutch and 2 Grand Slams already.
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No point of having 3 great hitters who get a pass to get on base, when the next hitter is an average out. Every GM makes bad deals and good deals. While it’s too early to judge the willis/Caberera deal, depending how our prospects end up, and the AL/NL thing, I am happy with the Renteria deal. He is coming around, doing what was expected of him.
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Also, if you take 9 guys with a .300 average who hit 3rd or cleanup on most teams, and put them in the same lineup, you are not going to get the same production. A lineup, by it’s function has to be designed in a way, that each hitter is among the best at his slot. Thats when they come together to score runs. and do things together. Or else we would have 100’s of men LOB.

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here. I think we could have gotten a slow shortstop that hits .270 about anywhere, and wouldn’t have had to give up two good prospects for him, especially for someone who will probably only be here for only one season.
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My take is that Renteria was relatively cheap because of the ins and outs of his contract, and that he’s one of the golden boys from DD and JL’s good ol’ days.
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If you’re going to trade Jurrjens and Hernandez, at least get a shortstop that upgrades the defense. That hasn’t happened.
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You take a pitcher like Jurrjens, Galarraga, Lopez, and management here seems to get confused over how they get outs without a mid to upper 90s fastball. I just look at results. Like Dan said, can’t see the forest for the trees.
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Regarding the Cabrera trade, he could have played thirdbase. He wasn’t THAT bad over there.
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This is all good discussion, by the way. Much better than some that goes on out there.
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–Rich

I just got home from work and I think that some of my comments regarding JV’s performance last night we not taken the way that I meant them anyway. Did JV to a good job sure, he should of run the game. But I also think that Justin got a little away from last night what has made him good his last few outings, efficient outings. Even in the last few years he sometimes what out of games in the sixth because he was striking out a lot of batters. While alot of people are inamored with the strike out I’d rather see more easy outs than long drawn out at bats which drive up your pitch count which eventually result in a strikeout. Not that strikeouts don’t have their place, but, in a nine inning game when you want your starter to get in 7 or 8 innings well, not very effective???? I also didn’t like the fact that he never had a shut down inning in fact I think that they only had 2 or 3 1-2-3 innings. He was never able to shut down. Just my opinion doesn’t mean its right and like I said I expected to lose last nights game, just not like that, I expected it to be 1-2 or 1-3 game something like that. Not blowing it in the 8th.

What I am trying to say is :
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Jair Jurrjens pitches in the NL, can’t say he would done the same pitching in the AL Central
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Renteria is not among the best defensively out there, but an upgrade over Guillen, with his knees situation. I didn’t know that Renteria is in his last year of contract. I think he has 3 or 4 years left on it.
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One of the keys in 2006 was Monroe’s clutch hitting, which Renteria is known for.
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We did shuffle Cabby a lot, and there was some indecision there. But it might all work out in the end. NL players need some adjustment period.
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Signing willis to an extension was dumb. It was a gamble to begin with, a bad one, considering he pitched poorly last year in the NL.
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Any old timers out there.Wonder what Lolich would say after being yanked after 100 pitches.

Pitch counts are one of the most overrated stats out there

Sheffield homered with 2 outs nobody on in top of first tonight in game against Sarasota.

Its insane to Ph for your ace in the top of the 7th with a 3-3 tie,ecspecially when he is still throwing strikes at 96-97 mph

I agree, but it’s something that organizations go by to “protect” their investments.

Bruce, Lolich would have asked why he was being yanked in the fourth inning. :-)
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I didn’t mean Renteria was in the last year of his contract, I just anticipate him being elsewhere next year.
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Anyway, what does everyone think of Willie Randolph being fired? His team made the postseason in 2006, had a late season collapse in 2007, and started poorly this year. Sound familiar? This is just about that time when teams “look to go in another direction.”
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–Rich

Rich, I hope we are one of those teams

Rich, I expect Renteria to stay in Detroit next year. I am curious why you think he might be traded? based on his past AL stints ?
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On second thought, bout signing willis to an extension, it still was dumb. But they figured it was cheap, what with starters getting close to 20 Mil/year and a lot of them not lasting a full year. Carl Pavano/Barry Zito anyone ?
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I am also hoping that JL leaves, but it won’t happen. DD won’t do it, plus we are still in contention this year. I just wish JL would not be this arrogant.
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Lately, he throws players under the bus a lot. I agreed with it in the beginning, and players need to be held accountable. But how about holding the manager accountable? His BS reaction last night was, “we didn’t make the pitches we needed to make.” Hellooo, knock knock. If everyone did what they were supposed to do, you would be out of a job.
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It’s his job to know when and who is upto the task.
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Bout pulling JV, I don’t think it had anything to do with pitch count. If his spot wouldn’t have come up, JL might have left him in. Then again, he didn’t pitch that well yesterday. It was a good performance, but not a great one. The 1st run was unearned, but he couldn’t hold the lead he was given in the 4th. He is the ace, and i think he should have.
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Just to be clear, I don’t blame the loss on JV. Just that he didn’t excatly deserve to stay in there either. JL using his spot to get ahead in a 3-3 tie, when we have a runner on 3rd sounds logical to me.

Actually, Leyland mentioned today that if Hollimon had driven in Pudge in the seventh, he would’ve let Verlander hit and kept him in to pitch the bottom of the inning.

Very disapointed this morning to see the replays, and that the game was “thrown away”.
I have no confidence in Rodney. Sorry.. but he just doesn’t impress me. The starters were doing so well, and bullpen was looking effective. Well, that screws that up. Can’t wait for them to announce they are bringing up Shef.. and sending down Dolsi, and JL benches Marcus again!!!
I know we can’t win them all… but when you have your Ace pitching good.. then put somebody in there and seal it. Not give it to the other team!
jim

Lost in all this is a nice comeback attempt by the Tigers, which could have been a comeback, and not an attempt. If only Dolsi had been allowed to continue, or if Rodney had been pulled after he gave up the homer…
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What if ….
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At least, we care enough to venture what if’s and discuss pro and cons.. :)

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