Stolen base off Rogers

Gathright’s Pena’s stolen base in the third was not only the first steal off of Rogers since 2006, but the first stolen base attempt against him in two years. Coco Crisp stole second off of Rogers with Vance Wilson behind the plate on June 2, 2006. Jason Phillips and Gregg Zaun were the last to try to steal on Rogers on Sept. 28 of that season, both trying for third on two separate double-steal plays.

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That’s great. Kinda’ like the video “highlight” we had the other day on the tigers.com webiste when Bonderman broke a camera on a wild pitch.
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This is about as much excitement as Tiger fans can expect these days I guess..
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It’s better when Sheffield doesn’t hit the ball. One could argue that he gets walks but you could hire a midget (like Bill Veeck once did) to do that.
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Fearless prediction #4: Sheffiled either retires or goes on the DL. Nothing else works for the Tigers so they will have to sacrifice somebody. Makes sense it is a one half dimensional ballplayer to get the boot. He’s old, he can’t produce, he can’t play in the field, he is a problem waiting to fester in the clubhouse and, oh yeah I forgot, he’s physically incapacitated. In the immortal words of Hawk Harrelson: “He Gawn!”

No clutch hitting again. Guillen hits a 3 run tater and maybe we’re back in the game. Instead he poilitely strikes out.
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I think it was Ernie Harwell that used to talk about “instant runs”. That is no longer a part of the lexicon of Tiger Baseball. I dare someone to find out how many 3 run HRs we have hit this year. The answer will positivley define why we do not win or why we aren’t even in contention to win a ball game.

I gotta cut the lawn. The answer is TWO!!!

Why is Polanco pulling the ball?
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Gotta agive credit to KC for ruining the Tigers’ season. They played well against us.
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Ordonez sure likes to hit when it don’t matter.
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The MLB announcers still are talking up our lineup. They are being as pollite as are our hitters.
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GK, I am watching a train wreck. And the lawn is still uncut. Addicted to punsihment I guess.
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Wonder if MLB TV will refund me?
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Todd Jones in? The way the season is going he might get many chances to throw many meaningful pitches.
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One more meaningless comment. How happy are you guys to see a big smile on Inge’s face talking to Butler in the 8th?
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Ramon, Ramon you have let the your supporters down.. You played today like you bought into the program.
Thames did the same yesterday. Maybe this is a team after all. They do all seem to be on the same page.
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Where do we turn to to for hope?

Put another shrimp on the barbee, cause this one is done…

Wish I would have cut the lawn. Could have wasted time efficiently.

Guess that closed door meeting did a ton a good. Not only did they have poor hitting today they added pitching and fielding to the mix. There are no more words I can use to describe how bad this has gotten. Two weeks ago today we swept the Yankees, ever since it has been a freaking tailspin. Just really maddening.

I mowed the lawn earlier in the day. Grass was really long everyday that I haven’t worked in the last week and a half it has been raining. First decent day in a week and a half.

GK–there was nothing “decent” about today!
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Beyond belief.

Weather wise that is. I have a headache everyday from this team though. I wish someone would put me out of my misery. I wake up thinking about it, like there is actually something that I can do about it. I tell myself it is just baseball, it is just baseball. This is what I don’t like about long contracts, not enough incentive to play well.

Just so that we are all clear. Early in the season we couldn’t win because it was cold. Now we can’t hit because it is getting warmer. So we cannot hit when it is warm or cold. Cannot pitch most of the time but when we can we cannot hit. We cannot hit with runners in scoring position, but sure good at getting that two out single that we cannot hit in with two outs. We are real good at hitting into double plays, and grounding out to short. Lets not forget popping out to the first or third baseman. And we are good at stranding runner runners in scoring position when there is one out or less. That all leads to I wonder if we will even win 50 games.???

I’m at a loss for words at how this team’s doing this bad. Our two best players are midseason call-ups (Matt Joyce and Armando Galarraga). Nobody’s hitting when it matters. Nobody’s hitting with guys on base. I haven’t seen a non-Joyce home run in ages, it seems like. Nobody in that lineup has that swagger right now- it’s like I’m watching a bunch of drones walk up to the plate systematically finding ways to punch out. And it’s not like we’re facing a stretch of Cy Young pitchers. We’re facing Darrell Rasner, Luke Hochevar, and Brian Bass – guys who shouldn’t be shutting us down but are anyway.

Oh- and nobody’s pitching either. We have a rotation full of guys who can pitch 3.5-4.5 ERA baseball – yet can’t seem to go a game without allowing 4-5 runs in only 5-6 innings of work. I’m starting to question Chuck Hernandez’s job as of late. Our bullpen was supposed to be the weak point of this team, yet it’s the only area that we’re doing decent at. And even then, most of the time we’re already down a few runs before they come into play.

People keep saying it’s still early- and technically that’s true. But we’re getting to a point where we can’t say that anymore. The Tigers’ only saving grace early on was that nobody was running away with the division- Cleveland’s getting it going now. They’re six games up now. And we get one of the best teams in baseball this weekend – on the road. We just don’t look like a team that wants a championship.

Well, let me get in here for a minute. I had to work on site today so I was recording the game. I think I’ve got you all beat in the addiction category. I knew when I arrived home that it was already 5-1 and I STILL sat there and watched the game. I guess we’re just baseball fans.
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So those of us who clammored for Santiago……or Inge…….or Thames………. I think the idea here is to make the fans look veerry veeery stoopid. That they are succeeding at. Baseball is a funny game. Take my team. Please. (rimshot) For anyone who remembers Henny Youngman, that one was.
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Getting close to digging too deep a hole now. More than likely, they’ll reach a point where they don’t care at all, then start winning some games. We should enjoy that when it happens. They might even make a run at it only to fall juuuust short at the end.
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I’m out of the managing business. You guys cut whoever you want and I’ll rubberstamp it. :-)
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–Rich…………and Poor.

4 more months until Michigan football…..4 more months until Michigan football…..4 more months until…….

Now I know it’s getting BAD when we start counting down to MICHIGAN FOOTBALL! :-)

There is a terrific irony here when you think about it. Seems like nothing in the way of good news is coming out of the world any more. We all seek a safe haven, an escape from it all, and to most of us here, I’m guessing it’s baseball… This team to be more specific. And yet, what is in fact happening? We’re all miserable. We’re miserable because we can’t even find just a little comfort in following this team. But, truth is, it’s still just a game.

I missed the game today, mercifully I guess. Rich, it sounds like Santiago, Inge and Thames didn’t have good games, while GK and Dan were able to get some lawn work done….always a good thing. Nothing like a freshly mowed lawn to heal a heavy and contrite heart. Nothing like an even field of grass…no dandilion stalks rising above the….. OK so Rich we all know that one game is not a fair chance for these three, so we shouldn’t entertain any thoughts of being stoopid.

So what’s going to happen with the Tigers this year? I’ve decided I have no more answers, nor am I going to worry any more about it. I’m still going to follow our beloved Tigers but I don’t have the energy to continue agonizing over this thing. Right now they are like “The Old Man and the Sea”, dead in the water, adrift in the doldrums.

They are just going to have to figure it out on their own. They’re going to have to focus on the task without forcing it. They’re going to have to figure out when to cut lose and when to do the right thing and sacrifice themselves for the team. There’s no room for feeling sorry for themselves. There is still time to turn it around, and this strange situation they’ve found themselves in could challenge their character in a positive way. And I’m not talking about ego here. They don’t need that. What they need is to nurture a sense of purpose, a sense of team. JL has his work cut out for him. He needs to figure out who needs to play on any given day. But these guys need to step up to the plate and help him too. They need to stop worrying about losing and just play the game. One game at a time. I hope JL wants to finish what he started, and these guys should do their best to make that happen.

I believe there’s still time to turn it around. I’m not predicting anything here, just stating a simple fact. They may end up 20 games under 500, or they may get back in this thing. Whether this team is put together the way I would like it to be matters little. Clearly there are some very good players here. But someone’s going to have to step up and get it going. At least that’s the hope.

well…maybe this interleague play will do us some good.
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Who knows…we could show up the DBacks and then get on a roll for the rest of the season! :)
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Maybe our pitching staff will help themselves out and get a few hits/score a few runs.
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Ahh, well we shall see tomorrow. Should be a decent game to watch, I hope.

Bonine now 8-0 in Toledo. Larish 3×3 with his 12 HR and Blaine Neal saved his 14th throwing the 9th and gettting 3 Ks.
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Brent Clevlen hitting just under .300 too.
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I thinK the Hens could beat us right now.

::sigh::
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…my mantra of “It’s gonna get better” isn’t gonna work…

Sorry, Dan. Interleague Play does not yet include games against the International League. On the other hand, if baseball worked like English soccer, Detroit would be at risk of being relegated to Triple-A, and Toledo would’ve been promoted to the Majors by now.

If nothing else positive happens from this lineup this year then at least it has pointed out some serious flaws to be corrected next year. Indulge me my meanderings here. I think it will most certainly mean Pudge, Renteria, Thames, Sheffield, Jones, and Rogers will no longer be Tigers.
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There will be an emphasis on youth . I like Renteria but he has very obvious limitations out there. I don’t see them renewing his contract. Dlugach seemed to be coming along but I think he is injured and hopefully doesn’t become another Giarratano. Iorg way down in Lakeland and Worth in Erie aren’t ready. Almonte and Wathan in Toledo are longshots so I would not be surprised to see Santiago be given the job for a year.
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The catching situation is a tricky one too. Sardinha is apparently excellent defensively, and with a good hitting team could be absorbed into an everyday lineup. Unfortunately the Tigrs have shown they are not a good hitting team and probably can’t afford to play him. He’ll be 30 next year anyway. The only LHB catcher I am aware of is Skelton whose father must have spelled his name wrong. It should be Skeleton, as he weighs about 160 pounds I think.
So I don’t know where they are going to come up with a backstop.
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I have never been one to worry too much about how many $$$ Illitch throws at the wall. But I do hope they don’t overdo the free agent thing. I don’t mind getting a free agent but I do mind getting one that is unproductive with a salry albatross around his neck that precludes any other teams being interested in him shoul they want to unload him. We have seen what happens when you escalate long term salaries to players. It has made Inge, a really valuable player to have on a team, impossible to deal off. Same with Sheffield. Then to make matters worse you have to play them to justify their salary and their roster spot which keeps you from bringing up the boys from the farm.
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I think we will become quite a bit more familiar with the farm system this year if the big club can’t extricate the Tigers’ Tail that is wedged firmly between their legs.

One thing that I’ve noticed is that if Granderson isn’t hitting, nobody else seems to be either. He really is the sparkplug to this offense as they say. There are a ton of other problems but that is a big one. Overall I really am shocked how bad they’ve been lately, especially this last series. The team just looks old and tired and going thru the motions. Like everybody else here I’m hoping for a big turnaround but I think unless a couple of changes are made things will stay the same.
Thanks for letting me vent .

This is correct, aklos. For all the big boppers in this lineup, it’s Granderson still that makes it go. His injury and subsequent slump have been devastating. Further devastating has been the lack of production from Sheffield in the 3 hole. I thought that him in that slot was what drove the Tigers on their tear during the first half of last season, and I was counting on this heavily. Without him doing his thing there, we can still eventually do some scoring, but not the massive amounts of runs that have been anticipated. I think this has been huge.
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Taking it on down the line, Polanco has started doing his thing somewhat, but he needs Granderson. Gullen and Ordonez both haven’t been bad, but they appear to be pressing. Cabrera hasn’t gotten his feet on the ground yet and, no matter what Rod Allen says, I think the AL pitching is greatly superior to the NL. I’m afraid Renteria is proving to be the mistake we thought it would be. Pudge is Pudge, consistently inconsistent. He can’t be counted on in a big situation, and I don’t think he’s blocking pitches the way he should either.
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Before anyone says it’s all about pitching, I realize that but I’m just talking hitting right here.
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Overall, we’re on pace to win 63-64 games this season. I don’t think any of us believe that will happen, so I look for some improvement here soon. Catching Cleveland, who is definitely the team to beat, is going to be difficult if not impossible, however. Not sure if it’s too late yet, but it could be.
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–Rich

Has anyone noticed that since Guillen was put in the 3 hole that is about the time he stopped hitting?? I don’t know if that is just coincidence (spelling, boy I wish there were spell check) or if there is something to it..
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But this couldn’t get any worse that is for sure.

Guys– you’re right. Its brutal being a Tigers fan right now. That being said, I think we’re being a little over dramatic and short sighted and that makes sense– we’re fans and this is a blog. That being said, let me give a few points that should help us keep the faith:
1) Despite playing terribly all year long (outside of our trip to Yankee stadium and the series against the Rangers), we’re still only 6 games out.
2) Our team can’t hit this bad all year. I’m serious. There is no way that this team is this bad. NO WAY.
3) The Twins came back from how many games two years ago? I don’t remember but it was well into the double digits.
4) Verlander is 1-7. This is an aberration that’s going to fix itself.
5) The rest of the pitchers aren’t that bad. They’re really not bad and some (Bonderman and Willis especially) have potential stardom… I know– don’t bring up potential right now.
6) Zumaya and Rodney couuld help out… though the bullpen doesn’t need too much help.

I could go on but I don’t think its necessary. Yes– its frustrating as heck to cheer for a team that ‘s underperforming. It gets worse when we had such high expectations after the Cabrera/Willis trade. That being said, I still believe that the Tigers are the best team in the division and I don’t think that a 6 game lead is insurmountable. Heck– we choked away a much larger lead two years ago.

Okay– that’s all I have to say. In the end, its a game and its great to be a Tigers fan– even when they stink. Plus– at least we still have hope. Four years ago, we’d just be happy to be 6 games out of first!

Jason, that was about the funniest comment I have read in a long time – demoting the team – might not be a bad idea…..lol

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Dan, I pretty much agree with all you are saying about who will be gone next year, with the possible exception of Ren Tin Tin – IF, he picks he offense up soon. Though, I wouldn’t be too terribly upset to see Santiato play everyday…then again…maybe not…(isn’t it a shame we are already talking about that with so much more “baseball” left to play) – notice how I put baseball in ” ” cause I am not sure you could call what the Tigers are going right now as baseball. btw – my 15 month old throws pretty well already for being a girl, maybe I should of had her try out at those try outs a month or so ago…lol

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I would say that Sheff will be gone by the All-Star break, but honestly I think his “pride” is too great for that…unless he gets ticked off at management or not playing, I think he wouldn’t have a problem just going up there everyday and hit .200 for a season just to TRY and get to 500 HR’s which I think won’t happen now – at least not in Detroit. I was actually looking forward to that as well. Have we ever had anyone hit their 500th while playing for us??

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Anyway, I think I rambled a bit there, but am too stressed about this club to go back and proof my words…until Monday…Go Tigers….I mean…Go Pistons, Wings (and I haven’t watched a single playoff game of theirs – some fan I am riiiight). Peace!

Thanks, Brent. It’s hard not to be upset about what’s happening, but it will get better. It has to.

So I read this blog all the time, but don’t post often. I have gotten to the point the last couple of weeks I don’t like to talk about the Tigers because I’m trying to be positive, and I seem to only be able to do that in my prayers. When I open my mouth (or start typing) I just want to rant and that won’t help them or my state of mind.

That being said- I have tried lighting candles, wearing the same Tiger’s shirt I wore every night to bed when they swept the Yankees, not watching until the 6th inning, only watching until the 6th inning, sending them Light, eating dinner before the game, eating dinner after the games has started, watching on the upstairs TV, watching on the downstairs TV and not watching at all. I’ve decided after all of that, that I have absolutely no control over the outcome of the game. (sigh)

I’m sorry- I did my best. Now I will just have faith the players and the coaches are all doing their best as well and look forward to the day when once again there are lots of good things to say about Tiger baseball. I can’t wait.

Hi everybody, long time no post.
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I’ve been following the blog most days, but I’ve been experiencing too much anguish to actually talk about it… ;-)
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I realized today, though, that it might take me posting something on this blog to snap them out of it! How’s that for an egocentric worldview?
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Here’s hoping. The Diamondbacks’ pitching is tough, but they’re going to start the road back tonight!
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matt

matt- the diamondback pitching isn’t the best in the world. remember what league they’re playing in. i’m forced to at least somewhat pay attention, as the dodgers are all everyone talks about in LA and to a lesser degree, the angels (but more padres even though they’re 200 or so miles away, interestingly enough).
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i think the dodgers went to AZ and swept them, and then the rockies in a 6 game road trip, could be wrong, probably am. hate the dodgers, i’m just forced to pay attention :).
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the Dbacks are the team to beat in the NL west, for sure. the dodgers, well… they aren’t playing real well (shocking, i know) padres have absolutely fantastic pitching, esp. with jake peavy, but they’re sitting in the gutter as well.
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the NL west trend is not dissimilar to the AL Central trend this year.
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i’m just waiting for 5/27 and 5/28! going to the ole’ ballpark at anahiem to see the tigers win. unfortunately, tigers only head to my neck of the woods once this season. so, they better damn well win both those games!!! 11 days and counting. can’t wait.
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mike

ok i was wrong, i decided to fact check. dodgers swept colorado then florida, and then took 2/3 of colorado. the dbacks have have won 4/5 in a 3 game and 2 game series… ehh.. haren is on dbacks, tigers always seem like they hit him well when he was in oaktown
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mike

I love Jim Leyland because he loves our great game and he’s a hell of a manager. (I have never left a comment here before but if the skipper keeps putting Kenny Rogers out there in the rotation he’s going to make more Tiger fans like me angry.) Roger’s time is past. He throws a 78 mph curve and an 85 mph fastball (when it is zipping) and the least capable hitters in the league can catch up with both of them. Decide which pitch they want to sit on and wait and it’ll come and then it’ll be gone. He isn’t just having “bad days.” His career is over and he and the skipper ought to acknowledge it and act with grace to end it. Joe Torre treated the Clemens the same way, though, letting him stay in long after he should’ve yanked him just because the guy once had stature, speed, and skill. If Rogers were a young guy trying to make it to the show with the stuff he’s got right now, he’d be in Double AA ball at best, watching the Tigs on TV. The front office made a mistake keeping Rogers on the roster for another year and they are complicating it by keeping him in the rotation. Everybody seems to know he is done except for Kenny and the skipper. These are not pretty moments in baseball, when elder statesman hang on and delude themselves into thinking they can still do what they once did. But time is the fire that burns us all….

jmoore- kenny rogers has the most wins of our entire starting pitching staff, starting or bullpen. though his ERA is higher than the rest of the SP (oddly)
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but ERA aside… look at it this way. do you want a 20-6 pitcher with a 6.50 ERA or a 6-20 pitcher with a 2.30 ERA…
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another interesting stat is that verlander and robertson are tie for team lead in strikeouts w/ 33 and bondo, i believe our strikeout leader last year (could be wrong) has only 25. our ‘finesse’ pitching kenny rogers has 23 strikeouts, two less than our one time ace.
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i think most of the pitching problems lays on the shoulders of the pitching coach and yes, jim leyland.
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while i dont know how many people here actually hate JL, i’m beginning to have a strong dislike. being hardheaded and a pushover at the same time sends the wrong message. (ie: sheff in LF)
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shrug…
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my one hope….. my one desire…. is to stay at least competitive until the allstar break, and then BREAK OUT. if you look at the numbers, this month and last isn’t all dissimilar to last year and the year befores 2nd half stats. but they were absolutely stellar first half…. maybe they’re holding back on purpose… hey a man can dream at least can’t he……. i’d rather have a strong finish that a strong start. even though it is embarassingly painful to watch right now.
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mike

Kenny actually until yesterday had really been doing quite well. Verlander has had zippo run support although I don’t think that he is the pitcher he was for the last few years, but there were also a lot of games where he definately he pitched well enough to get a win.
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There is not one thing that you can put your finger on that is what is so frustrating. I will be up until the middle of the night watching them probably lose again, but hoping for a win.
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GO TIGERS, GO WINGS, GO PISTONS.

Perhaps a NL team is just what the doctor ordered for us generally and for Renteria and Cabrera in particular. I actually feel sorry for Cabrera, he’s like Samson with his hair shaved off. I think he is feeling the pressure of the trade, the expectations, the contract, the fans, the frustaration. From everything we know and have heard about him it is only a matter of time when he rises to the plateau again.
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I have a favor to ask of Bonderman tonight—since we have been shutout 6 times this season already how about he give us a shutout tonight!.
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I remember well the days of Lary/ Bunning; Lolich/McLain and even Morris/Petry where that did not seem like an unlikely expectation.
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Hi to my buddy Jerry Lewis!!!

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